David Stern gave Jim Rome the business

[djohn2oo8]

David Stern is sick of being asked about whether or not the NBA draft lottery is rigged.

It’s a legitimate question, of course – more than a handful of people I’ve talked to asked, “hmmm, wonder if Benson agreed to buy the hapless, talentless Hornets under the agreement that Stern deliver him a franchise player who could stir fan interest?” – but the NBA commish has had enough with the questions.

Undaunted, Jim Rome asked Stern about the lottery this afternoon. In a mocking tone, Stern shot back, “have you stopped beating your wife (https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/212966149556670466)?” as if to say that’s how much credibility the question has (https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/212966600461139971). It doesn’t appear as if Rome has ever had any such incident. The 1985 draft, though … conspiracy theories linger (http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/06/05/conspiracy-theorist-then-this-sports-story-is-for-you/).
We’ll post the audio as soon as it is available.


http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/06/13/jim-rome-asked-david-stern-about-the-nba-lottery-being-fixed-and-stern-responded-have-you-stopped-beating-your-wife/

[BRHornet45]

sons Jim Rome should have knocked Stern clean the fuck out after he made that smartass remark. I'm talking he should have stomped that piece of shit out.

also it goes to show you how guilty Stern is that he is getting this upset and firing back with childish and ignorant comments like that. can you even begin to imagine just how much shit Stern and other NBA officials would be in if the NBA were ever investigated by congress? all of the details behind the NBA rigging playoff games and lotteries and pushing certain star players to the top would make the 1919 Chicago "Black Sox" World Series scandal look legit.

[Goran Dragic]

What I don't get is I know they had auditors supervise the lottery last year (pretty sure Ernst & Young) and sign off on its legitimacy. I only saw part of the draft this year but didn't see anything about auditors supervising it. Not sure why you'd audit it one year and not the next.

[TampaDude]

If I had a loaded .357 pointed at Stern's head, I'd pull the trigger, tbh...

[lurker]

I knew it. David Stern is a spurstalk troll.

[LnGrrrR]

Stern's a fucking joke. Instead of answering in, you know, a professional manner, by saying, "I understand it looks bad but etc etc", he just plays it off as if only a looney would believe that theory holds any water... even though a good deal of people DO think the NBA is shady.

[Reck]

I would have definitely clocked the fucker for that.

[Goran Dragic]

^yeah, Stern getting so defensive with that response only makes things look worse. He should have just politely said, "I understand that given the circumstances New Orleans winning the lottery looks bad but blah blah blah."

OTOH, people who complain about Stern and still watch the NBA/spend money on the NBA are retarded. Stern works for the owners. The owners want a commish who will maximize their team's value and who will maximize profits. Stern has repeatedly destroyed the players in CBA negotiations and has marketed the NBA extremely well. The only way the owners will ever want a new commish is if enough people get fed up with Stern that it starts making a difference to the owner's wallets. Until then he isn't losing his job anytime soon.

[Donkeybong]

Wow... his response just reeks of insecurity. Maybe this shit is rigged. Fucking sternstein

[Darth_Pelican]

Here's the audio...

061312 David Stern (http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/061312-David-Stern.mp3)

[BRHornet45]

sons like I mentioned above and like others have also mentioned ... Stern's childish remark to the question just shows you how guilty he is.

[Darth_Pelican]

:lol

Stern: "Everybody's being really nice to me, I'm not used to this"

Rome: "Why don't you go fly to Seattle, I'm sure that would change."

[DMX7]

lol, if it were rigged, then they wouldn't have given the #1 pick to New Orleans.

E&Y does the NBA lottery anyway, that would be quite the conspiracy if they rigged it.

[BRHornet45]

sons maybe a better word to describe the NBA is "controlled" rather than "rigged". like I have always said ... the NBA is carefully controlled, partially scripted, sports entertainment. it has been that way for over a decade now ever since they decided to change the way they officiate the games due to the demand and competition for high television ratings, ticket sales, etc..

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Has anyone actually checked on Rome's wife? Stern wouldn't have asked without legit basketball reasons.

[lefty]

Shit I like Rome now

[BlairForceDejuan]

lol nbwwea

[Budkin]

Stern needs to resign. Now.

[timvp]

Rome tried to troll Stern but Stern reversed trolled Rome and had him crying by the end.

That's one crafty sonbish :lol

[thispego]

sons like I mentioned above and like others have also mentioned ... Stern's childish remark to the question just shows you how guilty he is.

[TampaDude]

If I were Rome, I would've responded to Stern, "Have you stopped rigging the NBA yet?" :lol

[Monostradamus]

P3IiDBEOOcE

[Baron Davιs]

Rome tried to troll Stern but Stern reversed trolled Rome and had him crying by the end.

That's one crafty sonbish :lol
Real Talk, tbh.

[rayjayjohnson]

I think stern's answer was effective tbh.

ffs people, the draft wasn't rigged. The hornets sucked that badly this year.

[slayermin]

I hate him but I can't help admiring the guy.

[Monostradamus]

lol slayermin

[HI-FI]

listening to the interview, Stern says people think it's rigged because of people like Rome or media types, but that's bs. most people think it's rigged because something seems off. you won't see media types doing a thorough investigation of the lottery.

but Stern is starting to troll Rome hard. I have to give Stern credit, he is a master manipulator, he managed to get under Rome's skin towards the end.

[Goran Dragic]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao Spurs fans are up in arms demanding Stern's resignation worse than Suns fans were in 2007

[Koolaid_Man]

Rome tried to troll Stern but Stern reversed trolled Rome and had him crying by the end.

That's one crafty sonbish :lol

and you mistook me for trolling when I said I was burning the candles at both ends with my late night and early morning conversations with Kori...things were so much better when you were not around :lol

[DMC]

It's a classical example of a loaded question. You cannot answer either way, but Stern was acting as if Rome's question was loaded. Stern could just say "no".

It's used all the time to illustrate loaded questions.

A loaded question is a question (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question) which contains a controversial or unjustified assumption (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption), e.g., a presumption of guilt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question#cite_note-0)
Aside from being a logical fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy), such questions may be used as a rhetorical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric) tool: the question attempts to limit direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question#cite_note-Walton-1) The traditional example is the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Whether the respondent answers yes or no, he will admit to having a wife, and having beaten her at some time in the past. Thus, these facts are presupposed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presupposed) by the question, and in this case an entrapment, because it narrows the respondent to a single answer, and the fallacy of many questions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_many_questions) has been committed.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question#cite_note-Walton-1) The fallacy relies upon context for its effect: the fact that a question presupposes something does not in itself make the question fallacious. Only when some of these presuppositions are not necessarily agreed to by the person who is asked the question does the argument containing them become fallacious.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question#cite_note-Walton-1) Hence the same question may be loaded in one context, but not in the other. For example the previous question would not be loaded if it was asked during a trial in which the defendant has already admitted to beating his wife.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question#cite_note-Walton-1)
This fallacy should be distinguished from that of begging the question (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question),[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question#cite_note-begging-2) which offers a premise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premise) the plausibility of which depends on the truth of the proposition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition) asked about, and which is often an implicit restatement of the proposition.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question#cite_note-SD-3)
The term "loaded question" is sometimes used to refer to loaded language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_language) that is phrased as a question. This type of question does not necessarily contain a fallacious presupposition, but rather this usage refers to the question having an unspoken and often emotive implication. For example, "Are you a murderer?" would be such a loaded question, as "murder" has a very negative connotation. Such a question may be asked merely to harass or upset the respondent with no intention of listening to their reply, or asked with the full expectation that the respondent will predictably deny it.


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[Mr Bones]

Jim Rome is one of the worst sportscasters around-- a melodramatic drama queen. I'm glad Stern dogged him. If conspiracy theorists could come up with one shred of evidence it would be one thing, but it's always people bitching when their team doesn't win. No one in San Antonio hinted that things were rigged when they got Tim Duncan with the #1 pick even though Boston had better odds, and no one claimed the finals were rigged when the Spurs won 4 titles, but as soon as things don't go the way the homers want, they cry conspiracy.

[Jt.ONE]

I think stern's answer was effective tbh.

ffs people, the draft wasn't rigged. The hornets sucked that badly this year.

sucked as bad as the b:lolbcats?

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Stern is the best commish in sports, his answer was perfect..

Rome is a faggot, tbh..can't believe his annoying, 5'4" ass, is rich and popular..

[UZER]

Rome should have said, "Why can't I asked? Are you gonna fine me now?"

[DMX7]

It would be funny if a team that wasn't in the lottery would have gotten it. I wonder how the sports community would have liked that.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol People actually thinking Ernst and Young would rig a sports draft.

[Pelicans78]

Stern responded to a loaded question by asking Rome a loaded question. Pretty dumb question to ask. What was Stern gonna say? "Yes, it was fixed?". I like Rome, but he had it coming today. He could have phrased it differently, but decided not to.

[Goran Dragic]

:lol People actually thinking Ernst and Young would rig a sports draft.
I guess they did do the draft this time around.

:lol people thinking a Big 4 firm would ruin its reputation over something that's probably not that lucrative

[redzero]

Stern needs to stop stealing my shtick.


P3IiDBEOOcE

This is the only movie I stopped watching just because how awkward and uncomfortable it is. I stopped right at this scene.

[Donkeybong]

how have i not seen that before

[eyeh8u]

jim rome makes 30 million a year with this shit.

[rayjayjohnson]

i guarantee you stern has more brain power than the entirety of this site, put together.

[Arnold Rothstein]

would make the 1919 Chicago "Black Sox" World Series scandal look legit.


Best World Series ever imo

[TampaDude]

i guarantee you stern has more brain power than the entirety of this site, put together.

No.

[Juggity]

David Stern runs circles around anybody who challenges him :lol

[FkLA]

zGIr3i2Unu4

I like Stern alittle more after hearing the last minute of the interview. :lmao

[baseline bum]

Eh, wasn't as good as the time Rome got into it with Chris Everett tbh.

[HeatChamps]

Stern is a beast. Jim Rome should stfu.

[Jacob1983]

Stern is a piece of shit. Deflecting a question from Rome and then talking crap about Jim Rome's personal life. A new low for Stern.


NBA owners, please vote him out. Get this fucker out of the NBA ASAP.

[HeatChamps]

Stern is a piece of shit. Deflecting a question from Rome and then talking crap about Jim Rome's personal life. A new low for Stern.


NBA owners, please vote him out. Get this fucker out of the NBA ASAP.
Still bitter about 2006 I see. Tell me. How does my Wade taste? :lol

[Jacob1983]

Really? I think you are the one that's butthurt. Thanks for playing. Good job. Good effort.

[SnakeBoy]

Stern is a piece of shit. Deflecting a question from Rome and then talking crap about Jim Rome's personal life. A new low for Stern.


He didn't talk about Rome's personal life...see post #30 for an explanation of what Stern said to Rome.

[mavs>spurs]

and you mistook me for trolling when I said I was burning the candles at both ends with my late night and early morning conversations with Kori...things were so much better when you were not around :lol

dude you're just creepy

you're lucky the admins don't just permanently ban your ip weirdo

[Fabbs]

What I don't get is I know they had auditors supervise the lottery last year (pretty sure Ernst & Young) and sign off on its legitimacy. I only saw part of the draft this year but didn't see anything about auditors supervising it. Not sure why you'd audit it one year and not the next.
Ernst and Young are some of the biggest scam artists around. :lol

Ernst & Young Faces Fraud Charges - WSJ.com
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704138604576029991727769366.html

Ernst & Young Said to Face Fraud Lawsuit From Cuomo Over Lehman Audits

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-20/ernst-young-said-to-face-fraud-lawsuit-from-cuomo-over-lehman-audits.html

[MarioSpeedwagon]

Thanks for bolding det part.

[Gervin44Silas13]

David Stern just has tooooooo way tooooo much "blood stain" on him.



1985 Lottery
1991-1993 Jordan rules
1994-1995 Jordan's retirement ERRRRRRRRRRRR suspension on gambling
1996-1998 Jordan rules
2000-2002 "laker dominance"
2002 WCF
2003 playoffs (Changing the 1st rnd to BOF 7)
Tim Donaghy ref Scandal
2006 NBA Finals
2012 Flopping players & Lottery

Ever wonder why the hell the Lakers and the Celtics always played in the Finals in the 1980's.....Id have to think that the playoff games during that era were fixed...I wonder why NO ONE brings that up....you had very good teams... (2 ABA teams) Spurs, Rockets, Mavs, Nuggets, 76ers, Suns, KC Kings.... hell look at the records of those teams in the 1980's.

Stern was quoted on the best damn sports show (after the Spurs won the title in 2003) "i rather see Lakers Vs Lakers"

WTF!

Shady Comish....someone has got to really probe him....!

[Koolaid_Man]

dude you're just creepy

you're lucky the admins don't just permanently ban your ip weirdo


:lol and you're just jealous...

don't get mad because of I have the key to Keke's heart...you're not me dude you don't have my swagga or pedigree...

Kori and Timvp love each other I'm just the middle man :lmao

[AussieFanKurt]

Someday I hope Stern is in prison

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Ernst and Young are some of the biggest scam artists around. :lol

Ernst & Young Faces Fraud Charges - WSJ.com
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704138604576029991727769366.html

Ernst & Young Said to Face Fraud Lawsuit From Cuomo Over Lehman Audits

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-20/ernst-young-said-to-face-fraud-lawsuit-from-cuomo-over-lehman-audits.html
:lmao:lmao:lmao Big 4 firms get sued all the time for missing stuff in audits. That doesn't mean they knowingly go along with fraud and deliberately contribute to it. If Ernst got caught participating in fraud, saw it and chose to ignore it issuing a false opinion, they'd face the same fate Arthur Anderson did.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Ever wonder why the hell the Lakers and the Celtics always played in the Finals in the 1980's.....Id have to think that the playoff games during that era were fixed
:lmao yeah that's it. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the 1980's Celtics and 1980's Lakers being the most stacked teams of all time with 3+ hall of famers on each team. It was teh refs!

[baseline bum]

That's what makes the Spurs four championships so special. Not only did we win, we won with class... and not just with class, but right in Stern's face. You can't keep a good man down, even with your crooked refs and biased commissioner.

[Bill_Brasky]

Pretty unprofessional comment from a guy who regulary fines his players for acting unprofessional.

[rAm]

Pretty unprofessional comment from a guy who regulary fines his players for acting unprofessional.

This.