Damn...taking political pandering to a whole new level...

[Sense]

The problem with these two are:

1. The expansion of executive power was one of the main traits of the previous administration. Pretty hypocritical to start pointing fingers now that this administration is using it. Perhaps Yoo can write a new episode on unitary executive power denouncing what he was defending just 4 years ago.

2. The DREAM act was re-introduced in 2009, 2010 (where it was heavily modified to appease to Republican demands, yet it was still filibustered) and 2011, where, again, Republicans withdrew their votes.

It's obvious that even if Republicans agree with immigration reform, they would rather not pass it on a Democrat administration, where it can be seen as a victory or triumph for the administration.

As scott pointed out earlier in the thread:

Spot on.

[boutons_deux]

Romney offers his own plan for immigration

In seeking the Republican presidential nomination, Romney vowed to veto DREAM Act legislation and criticized Texas Gov. Rick Perry for allowing in-state tuition benefits for children of illegal immigrants.

Romney told the NALEO conference that while they may not agree on all measures, they agree on the goal to improve the immigration system and economic opportunities for Latinos.

He unveiled immigration reform measures that would

grant citizenship to immigrants who served in the military,

offered work permits to those achieving advanced degrees, AMNESTY!!!

improve the immigration verification system for employers SPECIFICS!!!

build a high-technology fence along the Southwest border. BOONDOGGLE!!!

The proposal was immediately panned by Democrats.

“I'm glad I heard this speech at Disney World, because it shows he is living in a fantasy land,” said Trey Martinez Fischer, a Texas House representative and president of the Mexican American Legislative Caucus.

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Romney-offers-his-own-plan-for-immigration-3652670.php#ixzz1ySQALRiY

[Clipper Nation]

Damn, these shiesty politicians forgot that there's laws against coming over the border without valid documentation, tbh... it's called ILLEGAL immigration for a reason... plus Mexico's illegal immigration laws are way stricter than ours, how does that work?

[boutons_deux]

"Mexico's illegal immigration laws are way stricter than ours, how does that work?"

MX's excellent, uncorrupt police, border gurads NEVER let a single non-MX from ANYWHERE into their country.

[Clipper Nation]

For real, if you immigrate into Mexico illegally, you get 2 years in jail for your first offense, 6 for a visa offense, and 10 for people who got deported and try to sneak back in again... I'm not saying we should be anywhere that harsh, but damn, we need to realize that these people are breaking our laws tbh...

[boutons_deux]

lots of shitty countries like MX have HORRIBLE laws and regs applied by low-level enforcers who live off the bribes for not enforcing.

[mavs>spurs]

For real, if you immigrate into Mexico illegally, you get 2 years in jail for your first offense, 6 for a visa offense, and 10 for people who got deported and try to sneak back in again... I'm not saying we should be anywhere that harsh, but damn, we need to realize that these people are breaking our laws tbh...

Every liberal here has been brainwashed into loving the mexicans and even putting them first class over themselves. It's really odd like living in the twilight zone.

[clambake]

Every liberal here has been brainwashed into loving the mexicans and even putting them first class over themselves. It's really odd like living in the twilight zone.

thats not true. we all know they're sub-species.

[ElNono]

Damn, these shiesty politicians forgot that there's laws against coming over the border without valid documentation, tbh... it's called ILLEGAL immigration for a reason... plus Mexico's illegal immigration laws are way stricter than ours, how does that work?

To play devil's advocate here for a second, the people that this thing allegedly affects are people that didn't come into the country (and thus, break the law) on their own will.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I say we shoot them as they are crossing the border into Amuurrica!

USA! USA! USA!

[mavs>spurs]

Patriotism is also demonized in this forum.

"Well, gee golly gosh, those politicians are our God's and well, who am I to ever question anything they do!? I'm sure it's for a good reason, I don't want to disagree and be labeled a racist or a bigot! I'm so ashamed of myself for being white."

/random political forum liberal

[clambake]

'well, gee golly gosh"?

you are definitely white.

[George Gervin's Afro]

'well, gee golly gosh"?

you are definitely white.

maybe we need updated avatars with black dudes?

[CosmicCowboy]

We just need to set these up every hundred yards or so on the border and let good god fearing christian americans protect our borders from the comfort of their office or home...

http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/mike-schoby/2007/09/remote-control-hunting

[mavs>spurs]

'well, gee golly gosh"?

you are definitely white.

you didn't like my clambake impression?

[clambake]

you didn't like my clambake impression?

you will need to show when i ever said anything like that.

go ahead, i'll wait.

[clambake]

We just need to set these up every hundred yards or so on the border and let good god fearing christian americans protect our borders from the comfort of their office or home...

http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/mike-schoby/2007/09/remote-control-hunting

what kind of rifle is that?

[mavs>spurs]

you really think i want to dig through 14k of pure faggotry to find something meaningless? i guess if your goal was to say something you know wasn't going to happen and feel good about yourself for being "right" then good job

[clambake]

you really think i want to dig through 14k of pure faggotry to find something meaningless? i guess if your goal was to say something you know wasn't going to happen and feel good about yourself for being "right" then good job

wouldn't want to cut in on your thinking about fags time.

[mavs>spurs]

fag jokes? wow.

[clambake]

you brought it up. it has consumed you to the point of not noticing it.

you might want to look for that niche in argentina.

[CosmicCowboy]

what kind of rifle is that?

remote control. Just sit at your computer scanning the brush for wetbacks, find one, center your cursor right between the eyes and hit enter.

The one in the picture looks like a ruger 1022. Naturally the government would probably want to use 5.56.

[boutons_deux]

Rubio whining HUSSEIN stole his thunder

Rubio Complains Obama’s Immigration Policy Helps Kids: ‘That Sense Of Urgency Has Been Taken Away’

We used to say, these kids want to go to college in September. Now that argument is gone. That sense of urgency has been taken away. The fact it’s all gotten mixed up in this election year and being used to attack Republicans has only made it harder. I’m still optimistic about the long term of this idea, but I think there’s a lot of work to do now because of the way the President did it.

Rubio complained immediately after the directive was issued that the President didn’t call him first. :lol :lol :lol


http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/21/503991/rubio-complains-obamas-immigration-policy-helps-kids-that-sense-of-urgency-has-been-taken-away/

[Big P]

http://thinkprogress.org... :lmao

[boutons_deux]

http://thinkprogress.org... :lmao

$38M is about 40% of ONLY Exxon's profits IN ONE DAY.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/04/26/471469/exxon-takes-104-million-profits-per-day-so-far-in-2012-while-americans-are-stuck-with-a-higher-gas-bill/

Any Human-American who still thinks his vote counts for shit is a fool. As George Carlin said, USA was sold, bought, and delivered a long time ago.

[Sense]

To play devil's advocate here for a second, the people that this thing allegedly affects are people that didn't come into the country (and thus, break the law) on their own will.

This. That's the main issue with all of this. Almost everyone opposed to this has been blocking this out of their minds and kept focusing on amnesty and the blasphemy of it all.. when really they don't know the issue.


I say we shoot them as they are crossing the border into Amuurrica!

USA! USA! USA!


remote control. Just sit at your computer scanning the brush for wetbacks, find one, center your cursor right between the eyes and hit enter.

The one in the picture looks like a ruger 1022. Naturally the government would probably want to use 5.56.


^

[Wild Cobra]

For real, if you immigrate into Mexico illegally, you get 2 years in jail for your first offense, 6 for a visa offense, and 10 for people who got deported and try to sneak back in again... I'm not saying we should be anywhere that harsh, but damn, we need to realize that these people are breaking our laws tbh...
It's worse than that even. The Mexican government gives out information as to how to be a good illegal immigrant to America. They even provide consulate help once here.

[Wild Cobra]

I say we shoot them as they are crossing the border into Amuurrica!

USA! USA! USA!
Yep, but up machine torrents on the border, with a sign.

BYOB (Bring your own Bullets)

Bet you were thinking about me when you wrote that, knowing I would respond in such a way, and forgot to use blue. I know you don't really think that way.

[Wild Cobra]

We just need to set these up every hundred yards or so on the border and let good god fearing christian americans protect our borders from the comfort of their office or home...

http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/mike-schoby/2007/09/remote-control-hunting
I thought that's what drones were for.

[Wild Cobra]

you will need to show when i ever said anything like that.

go ahead, i'll wait.
Give him some credit. He got the part right of not using caps.

[Wild Cobra]

remote control. Just sit at your computer scanning the brush for wetbacks, find one, center your cursor right between the eyes and hit enter.

The one in the picture looks like a ruger 1022. Naturally the government would probably want to use 5.56.
For this type of a game, I would prefer using a 22-250.

[boutons_deux]

blood "sport", and "sportsmen", :lol

[boutons_deux]

Latino Voters Are Still An Uphill Climb For Mitt Romney: Poll

Overall, Obama has support from 63 percent of Latino voters in the five states, while 27 percent prefer Romney, according to the poll. Take out Florida, though, where Romney's support from Latino voters is highest at 37 percent, and Obama has an even greater advantage. In Arizona, 74 percent of Latino voters said they will vote for Obama, and 18 percent said they would choose Romney.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/22/latino-voters-mitt-romney-poll_n_1618214.html?utm_hp_ref=daily-brief?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=062212&utm_medium=email&utm_content=NewsEntry&utm_term=Daily%20Brief

[CosmicCowboy]

Latino Voters Are Still An Uphill Climb For Mitt Romney: Poll

Overall, Obama has support from 63 percent of Latino voters in the five states, while 27 percent prefer Romney, according to the poll. Take out Florida, though, where Romney's support from Latino voters is highest at 37 percent, and Obama has an even greater advantage. In Arizona, 74 percent of Latino voters said they will vote for Obama, and 18 percent said they would choose Romney.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/22/latino-voters-mitt-romney-poll_n_1618214.html?utm_hp_ref=daily-brief?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=062212&utm_medium=email&utm_content=NewsEntry&utm_term=Daily%20Brief

Well, no shit. You expected something different?

Everyone knows Obama will get the majority of the blacks, mexicans, gays and Bouton's.The big question is how many moderate independents will he turn off while doing it?

[boutons_deux]

Well, no shit. You expected something different?

Everyone knows Obama will get the majority of the blacks, mexicans, gays and Bouton's.The big question is how many moderate independents will he turn off while doing it?

I expected nothing. The Repugs surely expected to gain something from Rubio and other right-wing-shilling Latinos.

Looks like the Repugs will need to SWIFT-BOAT and LIE LIKE HELL until November to get votes other than their low-information base of "Christian" bubbas, racists, xenphobes, "marans", close-minded, ignoramuses and their 1% paymasters.

[boutons_deux]

Romney Campaign Co-Chair: Romney Would ‘Rescind’ Obama Immigration Directive

Mr Walser, told The Daily Telegraph: “My anticipation is that he would probably rescind this directive were he to be elected in November.”

Mr Walser, a senior policy analyst at the Heritage Foundation and veteran US diplomat, said such a decision would be in line with the “very tough” stance taken on illegal migration by Mr Romney so far.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/06/22/504821/romney-campaign-co-chair-romney-would-recind-obama-immigration-directive/

[Clipper Nation]

No chance in hell... Mittens is a bought and sold liberal tbh...

[boutons_deux]

Republican Rep. Who Denounced ‘African Americans For Obama’ Group Silent On ‘Juntos Con Romney’ |

Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA) turned heads in April when he attacked the “African Americans for Obama” group as “worse than sad.” He accused Obama of using “that and to go out and try to create divisiveness or one race against the other.”

Today, Mitt Romney announced his Latino outreach group in 15 states, “Juntos con Romney” (“Together with Romney”). ThinkProgress contacted Gingrey’s office to see if he was similarly outraged, but he has yet to respond.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/06/22/504581/phil-gingrey-juntos-romney/

[mavs>spurs]

guys like boutons who will fiercely defend their guy based on political party loyalties that don't make any sense are exactly what's wrong with this country.

stop getting baited into this game of divide and conquer and look at the bigger picture, it looks stupid to vote for Obama despite what a terrible job he's done out of some stupid hate for a party that's pretty much identical to the very one you support.

either way you're going to get fucked, either way they don't give a shit about you. sorry to hit you with the truth.

[CosmicCowboy]

guys like boutons who will fiercely defend their guy based on political party loyalties that don't make any sense are exactly what's wrong with this country.

stop getting baited into this game of divide and conquer and look at the bigger picture, it looks stupid to vote for Obama despite what a terrible job he's done out of some stupid hate for a party that's pretty much identical to the very one you support.

either way you're going to get fucked, either way they don't give a shit about you. sorry to hit you with the truth.

The truth washes off Boutons like water off a duck.

[mavs>spurs]

and republicans aren't "1% paymasters." under a truly global economy and global labor market, there is no amount of protectionism the dems can do that will improve conditions and pay for the unskilled worker. unless you're a true intellectual in the top 1% of intelligence and really add something to the world with your knowledge, you're just going to be poor like the rest of us in a global economy more than likely. the problem isn't left/right, it's that when you all were younger there were 4 billion people on earth and now there are 7 billion. too many people competing over too few resources.

[boutons_deux]

guys like boutons who will fiercely defend their guy

link where I "fiercely defend" Obama? a guy who has been very disappointing.

What's really disappointing is that Obama proves, beyond any doubt, unarguably, that America is fucked and unfuckable, the 99% in permanent decline.

[mavs>spurs]

What's really disappointing is that Obama proves, beyond any doubt, unarguably, that America is fucked and unfuckable, the 99% in permanent decline.

True but it isn't because of Obama who really has zero control over monetary policy or even congress for that matter. The markets are controlled by external forces and what you are seeing with the decline of living standards in america is the effect of globalization and overpopulation. As American standard of living declines, places like India and China are growing rapidly. Eventually under a truly global economy they will someday meet somewhere in the middle. That's just the way economics works.

The dems can't stop this from happening. The republicans are not for the "rich." These cliche's need to go. Neither one of them can change the way the world works. Your best bet if you want to enjoy a high standard of living is to make yourself or what you offer irreplaceable.