2012 NBA Finals, Game 3: Miami vs Oklahoma City presented by The Lord is Cruel

[TE]

There is no God.

:rolleyes

[DPG21920]

:rollin all that ranting about OKC's fluky midrange shooting, whenever they are shooting below their season averages from that distance in this series.

in the regular season, they were 42% from that distance.(15+ feet) tonight? .303.

game 2? .410

you lie

Game 1?

[DeadlyDynasty]

:corn:

[mavs>spurs]

Game 1?

hold up lemme calculate

[DPG21920]

let grown folks talk, it's been established that i tabbed to the wrong box score.

And that you initially tried to quote their overall FG% knowing I was talking about 15+ foot jump shooters.

[stretch]

DPG, with the bloody vagina

what a shocker :rolleyes

[LkrFan]

let grown folks talk, it's been established that i tabbed to the wrong box score.

:lol

[DPG21920]

And I'll need to verify your numbers since you are prone to lying :lol

You're a good dude tho...just shitty at real life hoops and telling da truf

[DPG21920]

DPG, with the bloody vagina

what a shocker :rolleyes

Hi Stretch!

[stretch]

hi faggot

[mavs>spurs]

Game 1?

in game 1 they shot 11/31 from 15+ which comes out to .354

your assessment was just flat wrong.

[DPG21920]

Why so mean :cry

MS trying to jinx my money

[Latarian Milton]

DPG wrong bout us Heat & bron tbh

[mavs>spurs]

And that you initially tried to quote their overall FG% knowing I was talking about 15+ foot jump shooters.

right, we're on the same page now talking about ONLY 15+ foot jumpers

you were still wrong

btw, i'm using the shot chart on espn and counting the X's and O's (makes and misses)

if you want to verify the results, feel free to do so. just don't fudge and count any of the 12 and 14 foot jumpers in your calculations. it'll tell you the exact distance.

[DPG21920]

in game 1 they shot 11/31 from 15+ which comes out to .354

your assessment was just flat wrong.

How so? They have hit some really tough ones. If your number is correct (which I doubt), then it makes sense as to why they are down 2-1. I've said numerous times they are a jump shooting team that if they aren't hitting at an above normal clip will struggle to win.

I'll even show you the quote.

[Killakobe81]

What happened to Ibaka? did he get hurt or did Brooks just sit him?

[DPG21920]

Good, energetic start for the Heat. Rebounding a bit better and OKC really has shown who they are. They are getting the same looks they have all series - mid range jumpers mostly. If they hit like vs the Spurs they are unbeatable. If they hit like they normally do, they are still very dangerous but they need the free-throws to really dominate.

MIA seems willing to play the odds on the long twos - lets see if they can keep them off the line and off the glass.

[DPG21920]

That quote pretty much clears things up, MS

[Killakobe81]

in game 1 they shot 11/31 from 15+ which comes out to .354

your assessment was just flat wrong.

Are you new to this forum? DPG, is NEVER wrong ...:wakeup

[mavs>spurs]

How so? They have hit some really tough ones. If your number is correct (which I doubt), then it makes sense as to why they are down 2-1. I've said numerous times they are a jump shooting team that if they aren't hitting at an above normal clip will struggle to win.

I'll even show you the quote.

My numbers are right and you can verify them. Be careful because sometimes 2 shots are hidden one under the other, it's easy to miss one.

From 15+ feet, the thunder shot 11/31 in game 1, 16-39 in game 2, and 10/23 in game 3.

That comes out to .398 from that range.

That is exactly the difference between the spurs series and this one vs miami. Miami is taking away those shots that the spurs were giving up as part of their strategy.

[DPG21920]

I was wrong about the Mavs and the only one man enough to actually pay for it.

[mavs>spurs]

That quote pretty much clears things up, MS

but what about the long list i quoted where you were whining about fluke mid range shooting that flat doesn't exist? I think it looks something like this:



OKC making the tough jumpers they are supposed to make. Nothing to see here.


OKC has to start missing some of these tough, long jumpers, don't they? It feels like you keep saying that, but they keep hitting. It's unreal. It's not just one superstar either. It's the entire team down to Fish.


Not this good. As evidenced by their normal percentages.


:lol DPG really needs to let go of this mid range shooting thing.


:lol so many fluky shots.

MIA has to have another gear - despite the lead, they really aren't playing very well collectively.


Dude, it's unreal. It's not normal to hit at this type of elevated rate on rather difficult shots.


you were wrong man, the heat have really taken that shot away and it's the reason they're up. the thunder aren't shooting fluky at all, they're in fact shooting below their season averages from outside.

[DPG21920]

My numbers are right and you can verify them. Be careful because sometimes 2 shots are hidden one under the other, it's easy to miss one.

From 15+ feet, the thunder shot 11/31 in game 1, 16-39 in game 2, and 10/23 in game 3.

That comes out to .398 from that range.

That is exactly the difference between the spurs series and this one vs miami. Miami is taking away those shots that the spurs were giving up as part of their strategy.

I never disagreed with that entirely. Okc has hit tough ones, but they are being game planned against similar to the Spurs did. Okc is missing some wide open ones though and Mia doesn't get credit for all of that.

That's the point vs the spurs I was making. Okc hit at a great clip and won. They aren't vs Mia (partly due to great d & partly regression to the mean)

[Jacob1983]

The Thunder lost because they played scared, bitched about the refs, and missed a lot of free throws. They should know that the refs aren't going to give them the benefit of the doubt going up against Stern's sons. The Mavs proved last year that if you play through that shit and just play well and keep making shots and your free throws then Stern cannot beat you. Plain and simple.


Game 4 will probably decide the 3/4 championship or whatever the correct fuckin' fraction is.

[mavs>spurs]

I never disagreed with that entirely. Okc has hit tough ones, but they are being game planned against similar to the Spurs did. Okc is missing some wide open ones though and Mia doesn't get credit for all of that.

That's the point vs the spurs I was making. Okc hit at a great clip and won. They aren't vs Mia (partly due to great d & partly regression to the mean)

they've actually regressed to well BELOW the mean, such a drastic change can only be explained by miami's D and totally different game plan. i'm not sure why you think the game plans are similar. miami is playing them straight up rather than packing the paint to stop the drive.

[DPG21920]

but what about the long list i quoted where you were whining about fluke mid range shooting that flat doesn't exist? I think it looks something like this:














you were wrong man, the heat have really taken that shot away and it's the reason they're up. the thunder aren't shooting fluky at all, they're in fact shooting below their season averages from outside.


Guy, why are you lying. I can point out several fluky long shots vs MIA. Just because they are hitting some, doesn't mean it's all fluky - I never said that. What I did say is they shot fluky against the Spurs and that if they didn't shoot like that vs Mia, they would struggle some. I had my doubts they could keep it up - and it's not just mia defense (though that's the largest contributor).

[Venti Quattro]

I can't say I'm not enjoying reading mavs>spurs and DPG21920 go back and forth.

[ElNono]

I can't say I'm not enjoying reading mavs>spurs and DPG21920 go back and forth.

I can....









:lol

[mavs>spurs]

Guy, why are you lying. I can point out several fluky long shots vs MIA. Just because they are hitting some, doesn't mean it's all fluky - I never said that. What I did say is they shot fluky against the Spurs and that if they didn't shoot like that vs Mia, they would struggle some. I had my doubts they could keep it up - and it's not just mia defense (though that's the largest contributor).

you've been complaining about their shooting all series.


OKC has to start missing some of these tough, long jumpers, don't they? It feels like you keep saying that, but they keep hitting. It's unreal. It's not just one superstar either. It's the entire team down to Fish.



Dude, it's unreal. It's not normal to hit at this type of elevated rate on rather difficult shots.

Except the part where I just showed that they have actually been shooting poorly. I'm just not sure what games you watch.

[DPG21920]

This all started bc one adult make read the wrong box score.

[mavs>spurs]

This all started bc one adult make read the wrong box score.

you pointed it out and tried to make a huge deal out of it because i've been pointing out your bs here lately. glancing at a wrong box score pales in comparison to this. you said the thunder were shooting fluky when in fact the opposite has been happening.

I just want to know what games you watch, that's all.

[Killakobe81]

DPG, is normally solid. But you would have better luck trying to get Kobe to admit he shoots to much than for DPG to ever admit he is wrong without a helluva fight.

[DPG21920]

you pointed it out and tried to make a huge deal out of it because i've been pointing out your bs here lately. glancing at a wrong box score pales in comparison to this. you said the thunder were shooting fluky when in fact the opposite has been happening.

I just want to know what games you watch, that's all.

You got trolled then tried to get serious because you were hurt. You started by twisting my words and lying, then after getting ultra serious you finally did stat work (which I don't trust) to back up a pseudo argument you already made.

You also lost credibility because you still act like shooting 42% normally then jumping to 52% isn't somewhat fluky, yet shooting 38% from 42% normally is well below?

[mavs>spurs]

:lol you're the one coming into every game thread crying about oklahoma's "flukey" outside shooting. i have the quotes, we've all seen them. it isn't just some "argument that i made up," you really said it and it was really false.

you don't like my stats? count em up yourself, here's the shot chart.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=320612025

[mavs>spurs]

DPG, is normally solid. But you would have better luck trying to get Kobe to admit he shoots to much than for DPG to ever admit he is wrong without a helluva fight.

i know and that's why i'm going to bed while dpg counts shots

[DPG21920]

OKC has hit fluky shots and you're obviously twisting my words again. I clearly acknowledged okc struggling to shoot which is why I said they're down 2-1.

Me, during the course of a game blog, saying ":lmao at that fluky shot" is much different than the picture you are trying to Microsoft Paint.

[DPG21920]

You also lost credibility because you still act like shooting 42% normally then jumping to 52% isn't somewhat fluky, yet shooting 38% from 42% normally is well below?

[mavs>spurs]

When I first posted the real numbers it was news to you and you acted surprised here.


If your number is correct (which I doubt), then it makes sense as to why they are down 2-1.

You're just trying to rewrite history at this point.

[DPG21920]

excuse me, i meant to say 10-33 tonight for .303 :rollin

and 16/39 from that range in game 2 for .410

you just throw shit out there and hope it sticks, expecting no one to call you out on it


and yeah i know, i looked at the wrong boxscore earlier. i got ya.

This was wrong BTW. What is it with you and lying?

Game 3: 40%
Game 2: 46%
Game 1: 46%

http://www.hoopdata.com/boxscore.aspx?id=320617014
http://www.hoopdata.com/boxscore.aspx?id=320614025
http://www.hoopdata.com/boxscore.aspx?id=320612025

[DPG21920]

When I first posted the real numbers it was news to you and you acted surprised here.



You're just trying to rewrite history at this point.

I was surprised because it was a lie :lol

[DPG21920]

Good, energetic start for the Heat. Rebounding a bit better and OKC really has shown who they are. They are getting the same looks they have all series - mid range jumpers mostly. If they hit like vs the Spurs they are unbeatable. If they hit like they normally do, they are still very dangerous but they need the free-throws to really dominate.

MIA seems willing to play the odds on the long twos - lets see if they can keep them off the line and off the glass.



This was wrong BTW. What is it with you and lying?

Game 3: 40%
Game 2: 46%
Game 1: 46%

http://www.hoopdata.com/boxscore.aspx?id=320617014

So they are shooting slightly better than their average (while still making some tough ones) and that really goes dead in line with my analysis above (that I made well before this argument).

Your argument is taking individual statements from a game blog coming after very specific moments and trying to pass that off as my analysis. You are lying. Again.

[DPG21920]

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[mavs>spurs]

Huh? according to this:

http://www.hoopdata.com/boxscore.aspx?id=320617014

the thunder shot 6-15 from 16-23ft, and 4-18 from 3 for a grand total of 10/33 for all shots taken from 15+ feet

that is exactly what i said

[DPG21920]

No. We weren't talking 3 pointers. You know that damn well. I have always been talking about the "inefficient long two pointer" since the Spurs series. It's what Timvp's thread was based on and what I have been saying.

That is where the 42% for the season number comes from you d-head :lol

Cue the "but, but, but..."

http://hoopdata.com/teamshotlocs.aspx

[mavs>spurs]

You're playing with the numbers.

Also, game 2 the reason they shot 46% was because they only attempted 13 shots from that range, as opposed to 26 from three point range and 29 at the rim. shots from 16-23 feet barely make up a tiny fraction of their total fg attempts, and here you are crying all game long about all these fluke long 2's that just keep going in :cry

give it a rest already

[DPG21920]

:lmao

quoting their 42% number which was only for the shot I described, then trying to lie your way into an argument. All the while reading the wrong box score.

Crassic.

[DPG21920]

You're playing with the numbers.

Also, game 2 the reason they shot 46% was because they only attempted 13 shots from that range, as opposed to 26 from three point range and 29 at the rim. shots from 16-23 feet barely make up a tiny fraction of their total fg attempts, and here you are crying all game long about all these fluke long 2's that just keep going in :cry

give it a rest already

They shot 18 threes, not 26.

[DPG21920]

And I'll need to verify your numbers since you are prone to lying :lol

You're a good dude tho...just shitty at real life hoops and telling da truf

If this wasn't spot on I don't know what is.

DPG, right about det MS :hat

[mavs>spurs]

No. We weren't talking 3 pointers

We were talking shots from 15ft+, if you meant something else you should have been more specific.

The Thunder are barely even shooting the long 2 in this series because Miami is defending it. 6/13 in game 1, 6/13 in game 2, and 6/15 tonight

Compare this to the spurs series:

game 1: 12-19
game 2: 6-18
game 3: 13-23
game 4: 10-19
game 5: 12-19
game 6: 6-14

The thunder took that shot more often, and hit at a much higher rate vs SA than they are vs miami. Yet you keep crying about the shot this series (even though they barely shoot it) claiming that the "hot shooting has continued, when will it stop :cry" (even though they are hitting it at a much lower clip) and also said that miami's game plan is similar to the one the spurs employed??

That's laughable, i'm looking at the raw numbers. the heat are running them off that shot and making them hit it at a lower rate than the spurs did.

If they were taking the same amount of shots from that range, but making a much lower percentage sure you could call the spurs series an anomoly.

But combine that with the fact that they are taking less of them this series leads me to think that the heat are running them off that shot.

You need to let it go buddy.

[mavs>spurs]

You're playing with the numbers.

Also, game 2 the reason they shot 46% was because they only attempted 13 shots from that range, as opposed to 26 from three point range and 29 at the rim. shots from 16-23 feet barely make up a tiny fraction of their total fg attempts, and here you are crying all game long about all these fluke long 2's that just keep going in :cry

give it a rest already


They shot 18 threes, not 26.


Huh? in game 2 they were 9-26

http://www.hoopdata.com/boxscore.aspx?id=320614025

dpg lied again

[DPG21920]

So they are shooting slightly better than their average (while still making some tough ones) and that really goes dead in line with my analysis above (that I made well before this argument).

Your argument is taking individual statements from a game blog coming after very specific moments and trying to pass that off as my analysis. You are lying. Again.

You lied. Continue to lie. Plus you make up fake arguments.

[DPG21920]

We were talking shots from 15ft+, if you meant something else you should have been more specific.



Where did you get the 42% season average for OKC?

[DPG21920]

We were talking shots from 15ft+, if you meant something else you should have been more specific.

The Thunder are barely even shooting the long 2 in this series because Miami is defending it. 6/13 in game 1, 6/13 in game 2, and 6/15 tonight

Compare this to the spurs series:

game 1: 12-19
game 2: 6-18
game 3: 13-23
game 4: 10-19
game 5: 12-19
game 6: 6-14

The thunder took that shot more often, and hit at a much higher rate vs SA than they are vs miami. Yet you keep crying about the shot this series (even though they barely shoot it) claiming that the "hot shooting has continued, when will it stop :cry" (even though they are hitting it at a much lower clip) and also said that miami's game plan is similar to the one the spurs employed??

That's laughable, i'm looking at the raw numbers. the heat are running them off that shot and making them hit it at a lower rate than the spurs did.

If they were taking the same amount of shots from that range, but making a much lower percentage sure you could call the spurs series an anomoly.

But combine that with the fact that they are taking less of them this series leads me to think that the heat are running them off that shot.

You need to let it go buddy.

3-4 shots per game in a game with 70+ shots :cry

[mavs>spurs]

13-23 is a hell of a lot more than 6/13

it's 7 more makes in only 10 more attempts

2x7 = 14 that's a lot of points

[DPG21920]

13-23 is a hell of a lot more than 6/13

it's 7 more makes in only 10 more attempts

2x7 = 14 that's a lot of points

What about the other 5 games.

[Edward]

rofl when is the Spurs ring ceremony for "Forced OKC to take a lot of teh midrange shots!" championship happening?

[DPG21920]

It's not. But if OKC doesn't hit like they did against SA and don't get a sizable FT advantage to make up for it, OKC won't be having a parade either.

[DPG21920]

Where did you get the 42% season average for OKC?

[thunderfan]

Miami's perimeter defense is superior to SA's. I think they are pressing on the perimeter and banking on the fact that they are quick enough to rotate and still cover the paint. That's part of why OKC isn't shooting as well from the outside. The other aspect of it is OKC has reverted to their old ways and not moving the ball. WAY WAY too much dribbling going on now and one guy creating offense for himself. We saw against SA they actually had good ball movement during a lot of the series, which is precisely why they were successful. Miami's man to man backcourt defense is extremely sound and they just aren't allowing OKC to penetrate that well. We're starting to look stagnant at times again. Plus, we can't hit free throws.

[TampaDude]

Now, if Lebron doesn't win it all, it doesn't matter, but games like this should really shut the haters of Lebron up.

Other than the great bigs, no one does as much at such a high level on both ends as Lebron. Stunning.

^ this

There can be no question that LeBron is the best in the game right now. :toast

[TampaDude]

rofl when is the Spurs ring ceremony for "Forced OKC to take a lot of teh midrange shots!" championship happening?

Not sure, but it will happen before the Suns win a title. :lmao

[VBM]

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[ElNono]

http://media.lockerdome.com/uploads/94789bbe290151f111aa906a4aa636dd_large

:lol

[resistanze]

http://media.lockerdome.com/uploads/94789bbe290151f111aa906a4aa636dd_large

:rollin

[VBM]

It's all about the grin/fist pump before the airball... :lol

[TIMMYtoZO]

For Miami to have a much easier time, Wade needs to play better. Game 4 I feel will be the game he snaps out of this funk. IF he does. Miami will easily take game 4. If he doesn't, others will have to step up and it could be another close game. Miami is just a better TEAM than OKC.