How Great is Lebron?

[HeatChamps]

This guy is amazing. You couldn't ask for a more perfect size, power, and speed. This guy is just the perfect athlete. There will never be a better athlete in basketball again.

[Bonner4MVPzz]

if he developes a consistent jump shot, the league is fked and is in for more MVPs and rings

[HeatChamps]

No doubt. Only necessary in extreme loose defense. He can break down defenses even when they let him take the jumper.

[DAF86]

If Durant fills up, he could be a "beaster" specimen.

[Koolaid_Man]

This guy is amazing. You couldn't ask for a more perfect size, power, and speed. This guy is just the perfect athlete. There will never be a better athlete in basketball again.

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[HeatChamps]

That's like saying if Dirk fills up. Lebron was already strong by 18. Not easy to fill up if you arern't already.

[Koolaid_Man]

If Durant fills up, he could be a "beaster" specimen.

:lol man I swear you crakas are gay...you want to feel his muscles while you at it huh?

[Koolaid_Man]

if he developes a consistent jump shot, the league is fked and is in for more MVPs and rings

:lmao the best athelete huh....Lebron don't have to face no one at his position...nigga has free ride....I bet Rodman would have put his worm all up in Bron's ass...that negro ain't shit tbh

[dbreiden83080]

Best player in the game and has been for the last 3 years at least.

Probably top 20 all time right now maybe top 5 one day..

[Clipper Nation]

man I swear you crakas are gay


I bet Rodman would have put his worm all up in Bron's ass

Irony tbh...

[Koolaid_Man]

Best player in the game and has been for the last 3 years at least.

Probably top 20 all time right now maybe top 5 one day..

without the rangs and points it won't happen...the way the game is today I dont see him getting there....only Spur fan and boring homers who have couch potato like tendencies...the old Shaq girth admirers would think so

[TIMMYtoZO]

He has been the best player in the league since 2009. I hope he keeps working on his post game. He showed a lot of promise with it.

[mavs>spurs]

He has been the best player in the league since 2009. I hope he keeps working on his post game. He showed a lot of promise with it.

naw duncan/wade passed the torch to lebron around 2007 or 2008 imo

[Koolaid_Man]

naw duncan/wade passed the torch to lebron around 2007 or 2008 imo



Roland Lazenby: “Kobe’s ultimate competition is MJ. That’s why MJ watches him. MJ made people think what he was doing wasn’t human. Ditto the Kobester. MJ just told me Kobe’s the only one to have done the work, to deserve comparison.”

So let the show begin:

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[Koolaid_Man]

Let the show continue:

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[Koolaid_Man]

Do you want more? Yes? OK

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Mavs>Spurs: "Mamma.. Kool is kicking my ass again" :lmao

[DMC]

How great is Lebron? His genetics are top notch for the task at hand, however his greatness was bestowed upon him and he's since been in a carrot-stick chasing fiasco trying to meet expectations.

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Exactly what I see tbh

I don't want to see comments from people who've been pinked.

[Koolaid_Man]

Exactly what I see tbh

I don't want to see comments from people who've been pinked.


DMC: "Mamma Kool's massively hemorrhaging my ass again." :lol

[baseline bum]

LeBron has been the best player in the game since probably 06-07. Is there anyone besides Jordan and Abdul-Jabbar you could ever say was the best player in the league for 6 straight seasons? It went

Kareem: 71-80
Malone: 81-83
Bird/Magic: 84-87 (coin flip)
Jordan: 88-93
Olajuwon: 94-95
Jordan: 96-98
Duncan: 99
O'Neal: 00-01
Duncan: 02-03
Garnett: 04
Duncan: 05
Bryant: 06
LeBron: 07-12

Maybe the Duncan 05 is a homer pick, but not sure who else would deserve it. Maybe Shaq?

[mavs>spurs]

LeBron has been the best player in the game since probably 06-07. Is there anyone besides Jordan and Abdul-Jabbar you could ever say was the best player in the league for 6 straight seasons? It went

Kareem: 71-80
Malone: 81-83
Bird/Magic: 84-87 (coin flip)
Jordan: 88-93
Olajuwon: 94-95
Jordan: 96-98
Duncan: 99
O'Neal: 00-01
Duncan: 02-03
Garnett: 04
Duncan: 05
Bryant: 06
LeBron: 07-12

Maybe the Duncan 05 is a homer pick, but not sure who else would deserve it.

The only beef I have with this list is it depends how much weight we put on the regular season as opposed to the playoffs. If we are talking about the playoffs, Dirk was the best player in 11 hands down. Dude was a monster last year, but I do agree that Lebron was the best from 07-09 and again this year and for years to come. Dirk took clutch to a new level last year not seen since Jordan retired, and did BEAT lebron + 2 other superstars lets not forget.

[baseline bum]

The only beef I have with this list is it depends how much weight we put on the regular season as opposed to the playoffs. If we are talking about the playoffs, Dirk was the best player in 11 hands down. Dude was a monster last year, but I do agree that Lebron was the best from 07-09 and again this year and for years to come. Dirk took clutch to a new level last year not seen since Jordan retired, and did BEAT lebron + 2 other superstars lets not forget.

Yeah, no question Dirk was by far the best player in the playoffs. You gotta give James best player for 2010 though; no one in the league since maybe 2000 Shaq would have carried that shit roster to 61 wins.

[mavs>spurs]

^Agreed, 2011 is probably the only amendment i'd make to that list aside from taking Wade in 06 over Bryant. The rest looks pretty good :tu

I actually felt really bad for Lebron in 2010. One of the best individual performances we've seen since maybe like you said, prime Shaq. He did literally everything on that team, kind of like this year :lol

[dunkman]

Better than Kobe since his second season. The difference now is just ridiculous tbh.

[Arcadian]

LeBron has been the best player in the game since probably 06-07. Is there anyone besides Jordan and Abdul-Jabbar you could ever say was the best player in the league for 6 straight seasons? It went

Kareem: 71-80
Malone: 81-83
Bird/Magic: 84-87 (coin flip)
Jordan: 88-93
Olajuwon: 94-95
Jordan: 96-98
Duncan: 99
O'Neal: 00-01
Duncan: 02-03
Garnett: 04
Duncan: 05
Bryant: 06
LeBron: 07-12

Maybe the Duncan 05 is a homer pick, but not sure who else would deserve it. Maybe Shaq?

Here's what I have for the last two decades:

1990 - Magic Johnson
1991 - Michael Jordan
1992 - Michael Jordan
1993 - Charles Barkley
1994 - David Robinson
1995 - Hakeem Olajuwon
1996 - Michael Jordan
1997 - Karl Malone
1998 - Michael Jordan
1999 - Tim Duncan


2000 - Shaquille O’Neal
2001 - Shaquille O’Neal
2002 - Tim Duncan
2003 - Tim Duncan
2004 - Kevin Garnett
2005 - Steve Nash
2006 - Kobe Bryant
2007 - Dirk Nowitzki
2008 - LeBron James
2009 - Dwyane Wade

I'm definitely putting emphasis on the full season, not just playoffs.

[Ace]

Koolaid has gone full blown retard. Since the Heat won he's spamming Kobe like anyone gives a shit about that past his prime garbage. Kobe is irrelevant. It's LeBron's league now...

[racm]

Tbh LeBron can't be compared to Kobe and MJ because he's not a pure scorer. Doesn't even have a real position.

[PublicOption]

a great as the NBA let him be.

[HeatChamps]

Tbh LeBron can't be compared to Kobe and MJ because he's not a pure scorer. Doesn't even have a real position.
Dumbest post in this thread tbh.

[m>s]

Tbh LeBron can't be compared to Kobe and MJ because he's not a pure scorer. Doesn't even have a real position.

if pure scorer refers only to them guys who only focus on scoring while givin zero attention to D, then bron is NOT at all a pure score, nor was Magic :lol

bron is the best versatile player in the league now imho, capable of playing from 1 to 4 at roughly the same elite level, as opposed to LO who's also versatile but sucks at every position he plays :lol

[racm]

if pure scorer refers only to them guys who only focus on scoring while givin zero attention to D, then bron is NOT at all a pure score, nor was Magic :lol

bron is the best versatile player in the league now imho, capable of playing from 1 to 4 at roughly the same elite level, as opposed to LO who's also versatile but sucks at every position he plays :lol

Pretty much. not only can he play all positions (he played Center against Camby in Portland btw) he can also defend all but the quickest guards.

Miami beats Chicago by stoppering up D Rose by putting Bron on him

[HeatChamps]

I see what you are talking about. Lebron is a different type of player compared to Kobe and Michael. They can still can be compared in greatness. Greatness doesn't have to be pure scorer.

[baseline bum]

Here's what I have for the last two decades:

1990 - Magic Johnson
1991 - Michael Jordan
1992 - Michael Jordan
1993 - Charles Barkley
1994 - David Robinson
1995 - Hakeem Olajuwon
1996 - Michael Jordan
1997 - Karl Malone
1998 - Michael Jordan
1999 - Tim Duncan


2000 - Shaquille O’Neal
2001 - Shaquille O’Neal
2002 - Tim Duncan
2003 - Tim Duncan
2004 - Kevin Garnett
2005 - Steve Nash
2006 - Kobe Bryant
2007 - Dirk Nowitzki
2008 - LeBron James
2009 - Dwyane Wade

I'm definitely putting emphasis on the full season, not just playoffs.

I have some serious disagreements with that list. How can Karl Malone be over Jordan when MJ led the Bulls to 69 wins and the title while Malone had 64 and a loss in the Finals? And how is anyone beating LeBron in 09? There was no other player who could have led a team starting Mo Williams, Delonte West, Anderson Varejao, and Zydrunas Ilgauskas to 66 wins. I mean Varejao was the only teammate he had who would be considered even an average starter in the league then, and James carries them to one of the greatest regular seasons in the history of the league. That team also had no bench whatsoever. Furthermore, Wade only won 43 games with a similar cast that season.

[resistanze]

I still can't believe LeBron averaged over 35/9/7 in the 2009 postseason, and still lost badly to the Magic.

[baseline bum]

I still can't believe LeBron averaged over 35/9/7 in the 2009 postseason, and still lost badly to the Magic.

Go to basketballreference and look at his roster. I honestly think there isn't another player in the history of the league who would have won 66 games with that roster. Not 1988 Jordan, not 1995 Olajuwon, not 2000 Shaq, etc.

[HeatChamps]

Lebron is a beast. What can I say?

[Agloco]

This guy is amazing. You couldn't ask for a more perfect size, power, and speed. This guy is just the perfect athlete. There will never be a better athlete in basketball again.

Yes yes....until the next one comes along.

[DPG21920]

How great is Lebron? His genetics are top notch for the task at hand, however his greatness was bestowed upon him and he's since been in a carrot-stick chasing fiasco trying to meet expectations.

Disagree here somewhat. He is one of the rare guys IMO that had a ridiculous hype and actually lived up to it. He is every bit as special as he was billed to be.

[Xevious]

I still can't believe LeBron averaged over 35/9/7 in the 2009 postseason, and still lost badly to the Magic.

Mo Williams was their second best player...

[Calispursfan11]

I rank Lebron somewhere below Jordan, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Russell, Kobe, Wade, Duncan and Hakeem when those players were in their prime.

[mavs>spurs]

I rank Lebron somewhere below Jordan, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Russell, Kobe, Wade, Duncan and Hakeem when those players were in their prime.

Russell? cmon dude, have you ever even seen him play? I've watched a few old game tapes and to be perfectly honest he reminds me of a glorified ben wallace playing in a jv league. I don't even think it's fair to rank those guys amongst modern players.

And I'd take Lebron over a prime Kobe or Wade anyday, probably even a prime Duncan. Lebron has carried every team he's ever been on on his back. Never seen anyone who could be the sole driving force of his teams like that, Lebron is the MVP of all MVP's. Dude averaged 30.3 points, 9.7 rebounds, 5.6 assists and 1.9 steals off 50% shooting throughout the entire playoffs and it's become so routine that you guys are spoiled and don't even appreciate it. When was the last time someone has put up playoff averages like those? Jordan did it damn near every year, Magic and Bird did it a few times, Duncan put up some comparable numbers early in his career, Hakeem and Kareem did it, and after that you're going to have to go back decades and pull up some old inflated wilt chamberlain stats.

[Calispursfan11]

Russell? cmon dude, have you ever even seen him play? I've watched a few old game tapes and to be perfectly honest he reminds me of a glorified ben wallace playing in a jv league. I don't even think it's fair to rank those guys amongst modern players.

And I'd take Lebron over a prime Kobe or Wade anyday, probably even a prime Duncan. Lebron has carried every team he's ever been on on his back. Never seen anyone who could be the sole driving force of his teams like that, Lebron is the MVP of all MVP's. Dude averaged 30.3 points, 9.7 rebounds, 5.6 assists and 1.9 steals off 50% shooting throughout the entire playoffs and it's become so routine that you guys are spoiled and don't even appreciate it. When was the last time someone has put up playoff averages like those? Jordan did it damn near every year, Magic and Bird did it a few times, Duncan put up some comparable numbers early in his career, Hakeem and Kareem did it, and after that you're going to have to go back decades and pull up some old inflated wilt chamberlain stats.

I rank Lebron below Dirk as well.

[mavs>spurs]

^no way dude, dirk was better than lebron 1 year, MAYBE 2 out of a whole career. i'm a mav fan and can't even agree with that.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Here's what I have for the last two decades:

1990 - Magic Johnson
1991 - Michael Jordan
1992 - Michael Jordan
1993 - Charles Barkley
1994 - David Robinson
1995 - Hakeem Olajuwon
1996 - Michael Jordan
1997 - Karl Malone
1998 - Michael Jordan
1999 - Tim Duncan


2000 - Shaquille O’Neal
2001 - Shaquille O’Neal
2002 - Tim Duncan
2003 - Tim Duncan
2004 - Kevin Garnett
2005 - Steve Nash
2006 - Kobe Bryant
2007 - Dirk Nowitzki
2008 - LeBron James
2009 - Dwyane Wade

I'm definitely putting emphasis on the full season, not just playoffs.
:lol having David Robinson as the league's best player the year Dream won MVP, Finals MVP, and DPOY

[Bill_Brasky]

I rank Lebron below Dirk as well.

Oh wow.

When it's all said and done I can see LeBron passing Duncan. Dirk? Awesome fuckin player, but LeBron is already way ahead of him.

[HarlemHeat37]

1990 - Jordan
1991- Jordan
1992- Jordan
1993- Jordan
1994- Olajuwon
1995- Olajuwon
1996- Jordan
1997- Jordan
1998- Jordan
1999- Duncan
2000- O'Neal
2001- O'Neal
2002- O'Neal
2003- Duncan
2004- Garnett
2005- Duncan
2006- Bryant
2007- Bryant
2008- Lebron
2009- Lebron
2010- Lebron
2011- Lebron
2012- Lebron

[Calispursfan11]

^no way dude, dirk was better than lebron 1 year, MAYBE 2 out of a whole career. i'm a mav fan and can't even agree with that.

I'll admit Lebron was very good this year. He has been good every year, but he has been a choker also until now. He has been Robin to Wade's Batman until now, and now everyone is lining up to slob his nob?

Let's be real. OKC had the tools to win, but faded and choked after losing at home. They hit their slump at the exact wrong time and lost their confidence just like the Spurs and got back door swept by a good but not great team (Heat) like pansies. Any of the western conference playoff teams, including the down-graded Mavs (why would they get rid of Barrea, Chandler, and Stevenson?) had a shot at giving Miami a run tbh and even beating them this year.

Thunder just ate it at the wrong time. The Heat were not the best team in the NBA this season. No way. They got lucky. The Mavs have been consistently good for years and always in contention for the title, while Lebron's teams have never been really serious title contenders until he got dirty and joined with the other two to create a superteam.

This leads to Dirk being overall greater than Lebron for his career. Who has Dirk ever had as a wing man? JET? Lol. JET is great in his own right but give Dirk, Bosh and Wade and you've got a perennial power that would make other teams quake in their sneakers. The Heat will be lucky to get one more ring with their current crew because Lebron is not greater than Dirk. Period.

Come on, agree with me bro. Dirk is legend because he fought off the superteam solo and won. That in itself will go down in history as one of the greatest playoff runs ever. When you are expected to win like Lebron always has and then finally win, that's just doing your job. Nothing special.

[mavs>spurs]

Come on, agree with me bro. Dirk is legend because he fought off the superteam solo and won. That in itself will go down in history as one of the greatest playoff runs ever. When you are expected to win like Lebron always has and then finally win, that's just doing your job. Nothing special.

I actually do agree with this. Dirk's 2011 playoff run was absolutely legendary. Let's not forget how awful that team was during the 7 game or so stretch where he went down. they went like 2-5, losing to the likes of toronto and other garbage teams. Dirk forever earned my respect that year and it was one of the best clutch performances of all time, enough to move him into the top 15 on the all time list in my book.

But where me and you disagree is in the fact that it was just one year. Dirk was better than lebron in 2011, and maybe 2007. 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2012 all go to Lebron, and his career is nowhere near done yet.

[DPG21920]

Dirk's final wasn't epic either. It was good, but not epic.

[racm]

Dirk's final wasn't epic either. It was good, but not epic.

He got a lot of help, really. It wasn't like 2003 Duncan where he dominated the other team on his own.

When your second option on offense is one of the best long-range bombers in Jason Terry and you've got guys like Shawn Marion and Tyson Chandler anchoring your defense, you're gonna have enough room to have a great finals run.

Add to that the Heat realizing that the :lobt: couldn't be handed to them by default and shrinking, particularly LeBron.

[DazedAndConfused]

Why do you morons think, after 9 years in the league, he's all of a sudden going to develop a consistent jumpshot?

That's never going to come, once Lebron's athleticism fails him so will his dominance in this league. He will not be able to be as effective as Kobe/MJ in his later years, you can take that to the bank.

For everyone who says Jordan didn't develop a post game until later in his career, go ahead and look at Jordan's F/T percentages since coming into the league. His shooting touch was always there, he just never had to utilize it until his athleticism started to fade.

[mavs>spurs]

^sup kool

[namlook]

LeBron has been the best player in the game since probably 06-07. Is there anyone besides Jordan and Abdul-Jabbar you could ever say was the best player in the league for 6 straight seasons?

According to you. That's not a consensus by any means.

LOL @ these lists that have Kobe as the best player for one season.

[mavs>spurs]

LOL @ these lists that have Kobe as the best player for one season.

i know it's pretty funny right? like the guy who had kobe as the best in 06 and 07, i'd replace him with wade in both years or wade in 06 and dirk in 07.

come to think of it, kobe has never been the best player in the league at any given point in time.

[namlook]

i know it's pretty funny right? like the guy who had kobe as the best in 06 and 07, i'd replace him with wade in both years or wade in 06 and dirk in 07.

come to think of it, kobe has never been the best player in the league at any given point in time.

lol @ delusional posters. Jordan says there is one player than can be compared to him and according to you he's never been the best player in the league. LMAO!

[racm]

i know it's pretty funny right? like the guy who had kobe as the best in 06 and 07, i'd replace him with wade in both years or wade in 06 and dirk in 07.

come to think of it, kobe has never been the best player in the league at any given point in time.

Only reason he looked good was because he had more FGAs and better FG%

[HarlemHeat37]

Jordan also believed Adam Morrison would be a franchise player:lol..he was also one of the decision makers and player evaluators on the worst team in NBA history..

He also made decisions that led to his own father's death..

:lol Jordan's credibility in evaluating players..


Kobe's numbers indicate that he was never the best player in the NBA, but I was generous enough to give him the #1 spot in 2006 and 2007, out of respect for his individual talent, tbh..

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol Jordan
:lol thinking Morrison was a #3 overall pick
:lol he's a skinny white guy with no athleticism...he must be the next Larry Bird!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Also, as I said countless times, Lebron has achieved the ultimate NBA feat that Kobe never accomplished. Winning MVP and finals MVP in the same season proves certain things that aren't provable any other way.

[Ace]

:lol Kobe fans
:lol Jordan's opinion on talent
:lol Bobcats

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Kobe career 3P%: 33.7%
Lebron career 3P%: 33.1&

Yeah, that .6% edge from range shows how Kobe's J is sooooooo much better than Bron's

[HarlemHeat37]

:( his % is lower than other greats because he takes more difficult shots:(

:( advanced stats suck, because they downplay Kobe's impact, regardless of the fact that they accurately portray almost every other legend :(

:( he loves the challenge of guarding the opposition's best, let's ignore that he was scared of Paul Pierce, and LA has had Fox/Ariza/Artest guard the opposing best player most of the time since 2002 :(

[mavs>spurs]

:( his % is lower than other greats because he takes more difficult shots:(

I love it when Kobe fan uses that argument, as if taking bad/low percentage shots is the mark of true greatness :lol

[Ace]

Kobe career 3P%: 33.7%
Lebron career 3P%: 33.1&

Yeah, that .6% edge from range shows how Kobe's J is sooooooo much better than Bron's

LeBron's career FG%: 48%
Kobe's career FG%: 45:lol

[baseline bum]

2007- Bryant


2007 Bryant went out 1-4 in the first with Odom as a #2 option, so no way he takes Boobie Gibson and Sasha Pavlovic to the Finals.

[baseline bum]

lol @ delusional posters. Jordan says there is one player than can be compared to him and according to you he's never been the best player in the league. LMAO!

Jordan also says "let's draft Morrison/Kwame/trade the #2 in a great draft for Harden"

[baseline bum]

Kobe career 3P%: 33.7%
Lebron career 3P%: 33.1&

Yeah, that .6% edge from range shows how Kobe's J is sooooooo much better than Bron's

:rollin

That shits all over all the K:lolbe sycophants here. :lmao

[baseline bum]

Is playing with Prime Shaq drawing triple teams what makes up that 0.6% edge?

[Venti Quattro]

Is playing with Prime Shaq drawing triple teams what makes up that 0.6% edge?

His incredible work ethic makes up that 0.6%. :lmao

:cry I'm bashing my idol and favorite player. I feel so dirty :cry

[DeadlyDynasty]

Kobe probably has a bigger penis.

[mavs>spurs]

^But wouldn't Lebron's much larger muscle mass point to higher testosterone levels?

:lol fail

[Venti Quattro]

Medical/science stuff, :cry nosebleed :cry

[baseline bum]

Kobe probably has a bigger penis.

If he did he wouldn't have needed that $4 million ring tbh.

[midnightpulp]

i know it's pretty funny right? like the guy who had kobe as the best in 06 and 07, i'd replace him with wade in both years or wade in 06 and dirk in 07.

come to think of it, kobe has never been the best player in the league at any given point in time.

Troof!!!

He's simply a model of consistency and longevity. A player, by virtue of his work ethic and dedication, has managed to be a perennial top 5 player in the league from about '01 to '10. He's this generation's Karl Malone with rings. Chokes like the Mailman, too, but lucky for Kirb, he's always had the league's best frontline to carry him through those droughts.

[midnightpulp]

Why do you morons think, after 9 years in the league, he's all of a sudden going to develop a consistent jumpshot?

That's never going to come, once Lebron's athleticism fails him so will his dominance in this league. He will not be able to be as effective as Kobe/MJ in his later years, you can take that to the bank.

For everyone who says Jordan didn't develop a post game until later in his career, go ahead and look at Jordan's F/T percentages since coming into the league. His shooting touch was always there, he just never had to utilize it until his athleticism started to fade.

Rofl. The "jumpshot" criticism. Lebron will continue to play at his current level (or very near it) for about 3 to 4 more years, and if he grabs a couple more titles as the CLEAR number one, there's no logical argument you can make that Kirby is the greater player.

No one gives a shit about "more skilled" or "longevity" arguments.

[baseline bum]

Comparing him to Malone is way too far tbh. Malone was a complete pile of shit when it mattered, and is probably the most overrated player in the history of the league. Kobe is still a solid top 10 alltime player.

[midnightpulp]

lol @ delusional posters. Jordan says there is one player than can be compared to him and according to you he's never been the best player in the league. LMAO!

Jordan also thought Kwame Brown was the future of his franchise.

[lefty]

Jordan also thought Kwame Brown was the future of his franchise.
and then he called him a flaming faggot

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

All of Kobe's championships were on teams that won by dominating the paint with the best front line/most dominant big man in the league. When you're a perimeter and all of your championships have come on teams that won because of their front line and in spite of your perimeter play, it diminishes your value. Lebron as a perimeter just won a championship in spite of a mediocre and undersized front line because he anchored the most dominant perimeter defense in the league and compensated for the lack of rebounding they got from their bigs.

[DMC]

Also, as I said countless times, Lebron has achieved the ultimate NBA feat that Kobe never accomplished. Winning MVP and finals MVP in the same season proves certain things that aren't provable any other way.
Especially since it was almost a consensus that Lebron was giving up any future MVP awards by becoming "Robin" to Wade's "Batman".

To take over another superstar's team and win MVP and Finals MVP in the same year is quite a feat.

[baseline bum]

Especially since it was almost a consensus that Lebron was giving up any future MVP awards by becoming "Robin" to Wade's "Batman".

To take over another superstar's team and win MVP and Finals MVP in the same year is quite a feat.

If James can put together another two seasons like this one, I think he's a top 5 player alltime, at worst. Maybe even the best forward of alltime in that case. And frankly, I don't think it's all that unlikely in his physical prime.

[DazedAndConfused]

Lebron didn't get his ring until he joined forces with Wade and Bosh in a move that even MJ said he would never have made due to his competitive nature. Lebron took the easy way out to win his ring, don't act like he was playing on a scrub team. His team was expected to win and they did.

Btw, who does MJ say is the closest player to him in the league? Hazard a guess idiots.

[baseline bum]

LOL @ it being anywhere close to the same situation. If the Cavs draft guys like Oakley and Pippen, LeBron would have no reason to leave.

[HeatChamps]

This thread has turned south. Jealous haters had to ruin it. Lebron is the best basketball player in the world. Don't know why Jordan won't admit to it.

[Latarian Milton]

haters gonna hate but bron was da true god in the finals this year. his supporting casts were overrated to some extent also, of course they're alot better then those he got in cleveland but he still had to carry the load on his own shoulders when shit really matters. bron has matured alot since he joined miami imho and he's a better player then ever, if you swap the nigga today for the 07' one, the cavs would probably still lose to dem spurs but the series would've hardly been a 4-0 sweep tbh

[DMC]

Jordan had no problem say Kobe was the "closest" since it's obvious Kobe isn't really even close to being in MJ's level, but I think he see Lebron as a threat to his throne tbh.

[quickerblade]

I like Lebron alot more then Jordan, Everyone talks about the bad move lebron made about "The decision" well there was no internet when Jordan was gambling and had become a gambling addict, cheated on his wife all the time, did not pay a gambling debt which lead to his fathers murder. Jordan is a known asshole..he was clutch though, no doubt.

Lebron may not be as clutch but if he just played the way he did in the finals he wont need to be clutch cause nobody could guard him and he is a amazing passer.

Lebron just needs to drive to basket, he can either score or pass.
He is already great.

[quickerblade]

Jordan had no problem say Kobe was the "closest" since it's obvious Kobe isn't really even close to being in MJ's level, but I think he see Lebron as a threat to his throne tbh.

Im a lakers fan, but Kobe is useless now, pure volume shooter, i hate his subpar shooting decisions and percentage, just a ball hog at this point, and wont even pass to bynum or gasol, he still showsbrilliance from time to time but you can tell in his mind he thinks he can beat his defender and he tries to but the 23 years olds
are 3 steps quicker then the 33 year old Kobe, Bryants surgery in germany gave him false confidence.

He should be looking to pass more this coming season. He wont, he looks like a stubborn prick hellbent on moving up the scoring charts.

[Ashy Larry]

Best player in the game and has been for the last 3 years at least.

Probably top 20 all time right now maybe top 5 one day..


I agree ...... based on stats and hardware, he's there ......

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Lebron didn't get his ring until he joined forces with Wade and Bosh in a move that even MJ said he would never have made due to his competitive nature. Lebron took the easy way out to win his ring, don't act like he was playing on a scrub team. His team was expected to win and they did.

Btw, who does MJ say is the closest player to him in the league? Hazard a guess idiots.
:lol all of Kobe's championships were either with prime Shaq or a Bynum/Gasol/Odom front court which is collectively as dominant as prime Shaq in an era with shit big men. In 2009 and 2010 the teams LA played always struggled to defend Gasol/Bynum/Odom a lot more than they did Kobe.

:lol pretending Kobe wouldn't have bailed on a team that couldn't do better than Mo Williams as the 2nd best player
:lol pretending that demanding a trade to the Lakers the day he was drafted wasn't taking the easy way out
:lol pretending the opinion of someone who thought Adam Morrison was a franchise player is relevant

[resistanze]

:lol pretending Kobe wouldn't have bailed on a team that couldn't do better than Mo Williams as the 2nd best player


Didn't he demand a trade after the 2nd Phoenix bukkaking? :lol

I don't blame him, his prime was being wasted. But lol @ people trying to shit on LeBron for doing the same thing (actually, LeBron left as a free agent).

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol LA fans are even more delusional and naive about Kobe's loyalty to LA than Phoenix fans are about Nash's loyalty to Phoenix.

Kobe doesn't give two shits about the city of LA or its fans. He's stayed in LA his entire career because it's provided him the best opportunity to win championships while also making him the highest paid player in basketball by over $3,000,000. If Kobe cared anything about loyalty he would have been loyal to the team that drafted him.

:lol demanding a trade before even putting a jersey on

[flipspursfan]

Go to basketballreference and look at his roster. I honestly think there isn't another player in the history of the league who would have won 66 games with that roster. Not 1988 Jordan, not 1995 Olajuwon, not 2000 Shaq, etc.

That team had one star + average - slightly above average players. Imagine if they had a coach like Pop who coulda made their role players play over their heads...

[baseline bum]

That team had one star + average - slightly above average players. Imagine if they had a coach like Pop who coulda made their role players play over their heads...

Who was the average player on that team other than maybe Varejao?

[flipspursfan]

Who was the average player on that team other than maybe Varejao?

Good point, I take it back. Shit - Slightly less shit players. Lebron carried that team all the way to his head.

[DPG21920]

:lol all of Kobe's championships were either with prime Shaq or a Bynum/Gasol/Odom front court which is collectively as dominant as prime Shaq in an era with shit big men. In 2009 and 2010 the teams LA played always struggled to defend Gasol/Bynum/Odom a lot more than they did Kobe.

:lol pretending Kobe wouldn't have bailed on a team that couldn't do better than Mo Williams as the 2nd best player
:lol pretending that demanding a trade to the Lakers the day he was drafted wasn't taking the easy way out
:lol pretending the opinion of someone who thought Adam Morrison was a franchise player is relevant

But, but, but Kobe didn't leave to go to them! Even though he lives in LA and one other guy lives in the beautiful city of CLE, it should have been even odds!

[baseline bum]

But, but, but Kobe didn't leave to go to them! Even though he lives in LA and one other guy lives in the beautiful city of CLE, it should have been even odds!

Yeah, he just forced a trade to the team everyone knew Shaq was signing with a couple of weeks later.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Lebron didn't get his ring until he joined forces with Wade and Bosh in a move that even MJ said he would never have made due to his competitive nature. Lebron took the easy way out to win his ring, don't act like he was playing on a scrub team. His team was expected to win and they did.

Btw, who does MJ say is the closest player to him in the league? Hazard a guess idiots.

People are still using this excuse?

Bosh missed the entire 2nd round and most of the 3rd, and wade's knee was fucked up the entire playoffs...he was invisible through most of the games and was almost a liability with his crucial turnovers.

Lebron just turned in one of the most impressive post season performances ever IMO. You can't hate on him. He literally did everything...scoring, rebounding, passing, defense as well as playing almost every minute. He guarded Granger, West,Hill, Peirce, Garnett, Durant and Westbrook for significant minutes and was clutch down the stretch. Not to mention every time his team was down in a series (through no fault of his own) he delivered a game for the ages.

He will finish higher on the all time players list than kobe in the mind of every non-Lakers fan...just accept it.

[quickerblade]

Lebron is better then Kobe

[racm]

People are still using this excuse?

Bosh missed the entire 2nd round and most of the 3rd, and wade's knee was fucked up the entire playoffs...he was invisible through most of the games and was almost a liability with his crucial turnovers.

Lebron just turned in one of the most impressive post season performances ever IMO. You can't hate on him. He literally did everything...scoring, rebounding, passing, defense as well as playing almost every minute. He guarded Granger, West,Hill, Peirce, Garnett, Durant and Westbrook for significant minutes and was clutch down the stretch. Not to mention every time his team was down in a series (through no fault of his own) he delivered a game for the ages.

He will finish higher on the all time players list than kobe in the mind of every non-Lakers fan...just accept it.

40/18/9 in Game 4 against the Pacers
45/15/5 in Game 6 against the Celtics
26/9/12 in Game 4 against the Thunder
26/11/13 in Game 5 against the Thunder

Those numbers remind me of 1994 Olajuwon or 2003 Duncan.

[HeatChamps]

Lebron is better than Jordan. There I said it.

[ambchang]

LeBron's biggest weakness has always been him not knowing when to take over the game. It's almost ironic that it took him 9 years to realize that he is just so much better than anybody else.

This year, at least this playoff run, he seemed to have figured it out; and that is he can take over the game any time he want, and he should do it at the end of every game.

I am not saying that if Lebron applied himself last year, the Heat would have been the champions, because that is a disservice to what the Mavs (and particularly Dirk) did in 2011. However, if LeBron stays in attack mode at all times, and has a semi-competent supporting cast the rest of his career, I can see him winning multiple championships, and challenging the top 5 of all-time spot despite his less than stellar record from years 1 through 8.

Lebron could be the GOAT, but he won't be because it took him so long to figure it out. If he figured out his strengths and become more selfish over the years, he could have been the GOAT, but it's too late for that now. Right now, I see Lebron ceiling as the Hakeem, Shaq and Duncan level, not the Jordan, Magic, Jabbar level.

[scanry]

LeBron's biggest weakness has always been him not knowing when to take over the game. It's almost ironic that it took him 9 years to realize that he is just so much better than anybody else.

This year, at least this playoff run, he seemed to have figured it out; and that is he can take over the game any time he want, and he should do it at the end of every game.

I am not saying that if Lebron applied himself last year, the Heat would have been the champions, because that is a disservice to what the Mavs (and particularly Dirk) did in 2011. However, if LeBron stays in attack mode at all times, and has a semi-competent supporting cast the rest of his career, I can see him winning multiple championships, and challenging the top 5 of all-time spot despite his less than stellar record from years 1 through 8.

Lebron could be the GOAT, but he won't be because it took him so long to figure it out. If he figured out his strengths and become more selfish over the years, he could have been the GOAT, but it's too late for that now. Right now, I see Lebron ceiling as the Hakeem, Shaq and Duncan level, not the Jordan, Magic, Jabbar level.

People might think i'm reaching, but IMO Lebron has surpassed Shaq & Duncan on the all time list. Hakeem is below these two. He's only got MJ, KAJ, Kobe, Russell and Magic to surpass and when it's all said and done he should surpass atleast two of those five players barring any injuries. Only MJ rivals Lebron's peak period. Lebron has been the league's best player since 2007. :wow

[mavs>spurs]

Sorry but Dream was a better player than Duncan. It's a wash between him and Lebron IMO.

[ambchang]

Players with notable failures during their primes > players with no notable failures in their primes

[mavs>spurs]

don't butcher my post gorilla faggot

[Killakobe81]

People might think i'm reaching, but IMO Lebron has surpassed Shaq & Duncan on the all time list. Hakeem is below these two. He's only got MJ, KAJ, Kobe, Russell and Magic to surpass and when it's all said and done he should surpass atleast two of those five players barring any injuries. Only MJ rivals Lebron's peak period. Lebron has been the league's best player since 2007. :wow

LeBron has been clearly he best player the last 3 seasons and a top 3 player for at least 3 seasons prior. I have said many times he has GOAT potential but let's not go to far or become prisoners of the moment. Everyone was sucking off Dirk last June too. LeBron to me easily surpasses any one time champions as a alpha male. Bill Walton, Dirk, Kg etc you can argue LeBron leaps all of them with this title. But Hakeem, Duncan Kobe Shaq is still above him for now.

[baseline bum]

LeBron has been clearly the best player for 5 years now bro, and arguably 6. How could he not be clearly the best player in the league in 09 when he led that shit team to 66 wins? I don't think anyone else could have gotten them in the 57-58 range much less a historic season like that.

[ambchang]

I lash out because I am stupid.

[Killakobe81]

LeBron has been clearly the best player for 5 years now bro, and arguably 6. How could he not be clearly the best player in the league in 09 when he led that shit team to 66 wins? I don't think anyone else could have gotten them in the 57-58 range much less a historic season like that.

Read what I wrote ... clearly for the last 3 and a top 3 player for at least the rest. I also factor in regular season and playoffs and in 2009 you could make an argument only Dwight gets that shaky Magic team to the Finals. If you are arguing LeBron still edges Dwight, Nash Kobe etc. I'm not arguing against you just saying the past 3 seasons he was clearly the best. Clearly to me means by far. Cavs success in a weak East doesn't give him bonus points in my book he is great simply because he is a dominant player. If you give him so much credit for their success then he woulcd deserve blame for them failing as well. For me in 2009 he was probably the best but it was closer ...since then it has been clear.

[baseline bum]

Cavs success in a weak East doesn't give him bonus points in my book he is great simply because he is a dominant player. If you give him so much credit for their success then he woulcd deserve blame for them failing as well. For me in 2009 he was probably the best but it was closer ...since then it has been clear.

When did he fail them? He averaged 38.5 PPG on 49% shooting, 8.3 REB, and 8 AST in that series with Orlando, not to mention stealing game 2 with that circus shot three. LOL @ calling it a weak East like the New Jersey and Philly days when Boston won 62 games and Orlando 59.