Fundamentalist Schools Using "Nessie" To Disprove Evolution

[ElNono]

The debate between creationists and proponents of evolution isn't ending any time soon, but now some creationists have a secret weapon, "Nessie!" Certain fundamentalist schools in Louisiana plan to teach children that the Loch Ness monster is real (http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/education/how-american-fundamentalist-schools-are-using-nessie-to-disprove-evolution.17918511) in a bid to disprove Darwin's theory of evolution. From the article: "One ACE textbook – Biology 1099, Accelerated Christian Education Inc – reads: 'Are dinosaurs alive today? Scientists are becoming more convinced of their existence. Have you heard of the "Loch Ness Monster" in Scotland? "Nessie" for short has been recorded on sonar from a small submarine, described by eyewitnesses, and photographed by others. Nessie appears to be a plesiosaur.' Another claim taught is that a Japanese whaling boat once caught a dinosaur. It's unclear if the movie Godzilla was the inspiration for this lesson."

[Oh, Gee!!]

if the loch ness monster exists, evolution is false. seems airtight to me.

[ElNono]

:lol

[baseline bum]

Pretty impressive for Nessie to live 65 million years tbh.

[DarrinS]

Just let them also watch "An Inconvenient Truth" and we'll call it a wash.

[baseline bum]

:lol

Textbooks of some state-funded Christian schools praise the Ku Klux Klan.

The violent, racist organisation, which still exists in the US, advocates white supremacy, white nationalism and anti-immigration.

One excerpt from Bob Jones University Press American history textbook has been reported as saying: "the [Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross ... In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."

[Blake]

God bless

[clambake]

this thread is shit without a crookskanks post.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

[RandomGuy]

The debate between creationists and proponents of evolution isn't ending any time soon, but now some creationists have a secret weapon, "Nessie!" Certain fundamentalist schools in Louisiana plan to teach children that the Loch Ness monster is real (http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/education/how-american-fundamentalist-schools-are-using-nessie-to-disprove-evolution.17918511) in a bid to disprove Darwin's theory of evolution. From the article: "One ACE textbook – Biology 1099, Accelerated Christian Education Inc – reads: 'Are dinosaurs alive today? Scientists are becoming more convinced of their existence. Have you heard of the "Loch Ness Monster" in Scotland? "Nessie" for short has been recorded on sonar from a small submarine, described by eyewitnesses, and photographed by others. Nessie appears to be a plesiosaur.' Another claim taught is that a Japanese whaling boat once caught a dinosaur. It's unclear if the movie Godzilla was the inspiration for this lesson."


Boston-based researcher and writer Bruce Wilson, who specialises in the American political religious right, compares the curriculum to Islamic fundamentalist teaching.

"They are being brought up to believe that they're at war with secular society. The only valid government would be a Christian fundamentalist government. Obviously some comparisons could be made to Islamic Fundamentalists in schools.

"One of these texts from Bob Jones University Press claims that dinosaurs were fire-breathing dragons. It has little to do with science as we currently understand. It's more like medieval scholasticism."

Wilson believes that such teaching is going on in at least 13 American states.

"There's a lot of public funding going to private schools, probably around 200,000 pupils are receiving this education," he And the majority of parents now home schooling their kids are Christian fundamentalists too. I don't believe they should be publicly funded, I don't believe the schools who use these texts should be publicly funded."

You can only believe in this kind of stupid shit for so long when the truth is so obvious.

[boutons_deux]

what's in the ACE curriculum?

Are dinosaurs alive today? Scientists are becoming more convinced of their existence.

Have you heard of the `Loch Ness Monster' in Scotland? `Nessie,' for short has been recorded on sonar from a small submarine, described by eyewitnesses, and photographed by others. Nessie appears to be a plesiosaur.

Could a fish have developed into a dinosaur? As astonishing as it may seem, many evolutionists theorize that fish evolved into amphibians and amphibians into reptiles. This gradual change from fish to reptiles has no scientific basis. No transitional fossils have been or ever will be discovered because God created each type of fish, amphibian, and reptile as separate, unique animals. Any similarities that exist among them are due to the fact that one Master Craftsmen fashioned them all."

Extract from Biology 1099, Accelerated Christian Education Inc. (1995)

5 Even Worse Lies from Accelerated Christian Education),

- Science Proves Homosexuality is a Learned Behavior
- The Second Law of Thermodynamics Disproves Evolution
- No Transitional Fossils Exist
- Humans and Dinosaurs Co-Existed
- Evolution Has Been Disproved
- A Japanese Whaling Boat Found a Dinosaur
- Solar Fusion is a Myth


Science

The ACE curriculum includes no practical science and accordingly no investigation. This would be troublesome for any ACE student embarking on a science higher education course.

"The PACEs are based on the reading comprehension mode of learning... There is no room within this method of learning for the negotiation of topics, for whole class problem solving, for the generation of ideas, for the formulating and testing of hypotheses, discussion of results and social application."10

...Rather than weighing evidence objectively, the ACE system rejects any science that contradicts the Bible, stating:

"True science will never contradict the Bible because God created both the universe and Scripture...If a scientific theory contradicts the Bible, then the theory is wrong and must be discarded."

Science

The ACE curriculum includes no practical science and accordingly no investigation. This would be troublesome for any ACE student embarking on a science higher education course.

"The PACEs are based on the reading comprehension mode of learning... There is no room within this method of learning for the negotiation of topics, for whole class problem solving, for the generation of ideas, for the formulating and testing of hypotheses, discussion of results and social application."10

...Rather than weighing evidence objectively, the ACE system rejects any science that contradicts the Bible, stating:

"True science will never contradict the Bible because God created both the universe and Scripture...If a scientific theory contradicts the Bible, then the theory is wrong and must be discarded."

Bob Jones University Press textbooks are the following:

- Only ten percent of Africans can read or write, because Christian mission schools have been shut down by communists.
- "the [Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross... In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."
- "God used the 'Trail of Tears' to bring many Indians to Christ."
- It "cannot be shown scientifically that that man-made pollutants will one day drastically reduce the depth of the atmosphere's ozone layer."
- "God has provided certain 'checks and balances' in creation to prevent many of the global upsets that have been predicted by environmentalists."
- the Great Depression was exaggerated by propagandists, including John Steinbeck, to advance a socialist agenda.
- "Unions have always been plagued by socialists and anarchists who use laborers to destroy the free-enterprise system that hardworking Americans have created."
- Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential win was due to an imaginary economic crisis created by the media.
- "The greatest struggle of all time, the Battle of Armageddon, will occur in the Middle East when Christ returns to set up his kingdom on earth."

http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/155926

[DMX7]

Just let them also watch "An Inconvenient Truth" and we'll call it a wash.

LOL, I'm sure you think that's a wash.

[baseline bum]

- The Second Law of Thermodynamics Disproves Evolution


That's by far the funniest one. :lol

[Spurminator]

Just let them also watch "An Inconvenient Truth" and we'll call it a wash.

No, it will be a wash when that is mandated in the school, and instead of Al Gore's film it's a non-scientific YouTube video produced by the Church of Global Warming Imminence.

It's crazy that you see an article like this and immediately go into Red Team Defense mode. Don't you think?

[Jacob1983]

How is it possible for a human being to know 100 percent without a doubt know definitively how the Earth was created? If that human exists, can that human tell me the winning numbers of the Texas Lottery for this coming Wednesday please?

[scott]

How is it possible for a human being to know 100 percent without a doubt know definitively how the Earth was created? If that human exists, can that human tell me the winning numbers of the Texas Lottery for this coming Wednesday please?

Ironically, the only people claiming to know with 100% certainty are the one's whose only evidence is a book that an invisible man in the sky sent his zombie son (who is also himself) to earth to save us.

[Blake]

How is it possible for a human being to know 100 percent without a doubt know definitively how the Earth was created? If that human exists, can that human tell me the winning numbers of the Texas Lottery for this coming Wednesday please?

Right, because knowing the past = knowing the future

[DarkReign]

How is it possible for a human being to know 100 percent without a doubt know definitively how the Earth was created? If that human exists, can that human tell me the winning numbers of the Texas Lottery for this coming Wednesday please?

You have completely missed the entire point of science and how it reckons itself.

[admiralsnackbar]

You have completely missed the entire point of science and how it reckons itself.

At the same time, the same question can be put to religions whose cosmogonies are purported to explain everything according to received interpretations (by some of their believers, at least). Less obliquely: how can religious people be so confident in their interpretation of scripture as to rule out something like the heliocentric model? Clearly they objected to that "attack on doctrine" for centuries, but in the end, heliocentrism's ultimate irrefutability came at no expense to Christianity besides the wounded pride/vanity (aren't those sinful anyway?) of the Catholic theologians who were offended by a model they didn't create themselves.

I honestly don't understand how Fundamentalists can pledge themselves to a "literal" understanding of the bible yet reconcile the differing accounts by the apostles; or selectively choose which passages of the OT they will honor (ex: "gays are an abomination") while ignoring equally strong passages about other things (shellfish, menstruating women). That whole movement is categorically undone by the unrelenting vanity of its leadership, who can accept no account but the one they themselves invent to suit their purposes. /statingtheobvious

[boutons_deux]

Life According to the Christian Education Curriculum, in Cartoons!


Despite being mostly ignored by the mainstream media, Accelerated Christian Education (ACE) has been something of a force for over 40 years. It began in Texas in 1970, and currently claims to have 6,000 schools in 140 countries. Because these schools are private, and the workbooks they use are only published internally, most people have no idea what is taught. You won't find ACE books in public libraries, so they effectively are able to operate without scrutiny. This is a problem when ACE schools are the beneficiaries of various voucher programs in the U.S. (http://creationistvouchers.com/creationist-vouchers-database/) and even the U.K (http://www.nurseryworld.co.uk/nursery-world/news/1097763/questions-funding-creationist-nurseries).
ACE schools do not have teachers in the traditional sense. Instead, students sit in individual cubicles, completing workbooks (PACEs) separately and in silence. PACEs are full of outrageous untruths and embarrassing multiple-choice questions. It's important not to overlook one of ACE's main propaganda tools, the cartoon strips that pepper each PACE. Looking at them, it turns out much of the content is repugnant not only to non-believers, but to most mainstream Christians as well.

1. Classrooms Are Segregated


In the fictional world of the PACE cartoons, there are three schools: Highland, Harmony and Heartsville. Here's a lesson taking place at Highland:
https://ci4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/HH5oC73BQgQ-3ULX6pP-Ef8fs-4xu93kz0K7bY1bQ2P9ypojKblR6IOjydSvEo-ZwhkQlDevO-ti0rHqxfCZntvHclrHGPtfDRXtuVO4XH3UjM-li2Rq7IsosPdYOc588xwzyg=s0-d-e1-ft#http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/highland-is-white.png (http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/highland-is-white.png)
And here's a similar event at Harmony:
https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/fVAvC4YfnA2qV0cAuc_f4tgz-1g5VRTG81b_w2n7f_7zZbYiM4ODOD1faiGm9hzBFxNSC7LN0XU gvUmO6G8Kz7poEkdBz5I9fgo_EXgVsJYX84Rg2HDlX2lANjUzJ Wdvlr6A=s0-d-e1-ft#http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/harmony-is-black.png (http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/harmony-is-black.png)
That's right, it just happens that in ACE's universe, kids attend separate schools (http://www.newvisionga.org/curriculum/characters.html) based on their skin color.
2. Girls Must Be Modest
https://ci6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/JoDlLBWuQu6Dd3sjGAHXBshAZ8VNLRRux2CGTQDfzAW-vi_y3FwUfB1H0wBnB5hJOPy1Kl2qAFvgEnCmL8j4Ur6w3mRxSF PfrKrngQskrSwGBd-npHD5xBy8-ZilKxNPOuE=s0-d-e1-ft#http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/christi-modesty.jpg (http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/christi-modesty.jpg)
Just think about what this cartoon is saying. The girl depicted is less than 10 years old. Christian fundamentalists believe women must be modestly dressed so they do not incite men to the sin of lust. This a troublesome enough idea on its own. It implies women are to blame for men's sexual impulses, opening the door to blaming rape victims (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/12/how-the-modesty-doctrine-fuels-rape-culture.html). Here, though, ACE is insisting that a pre-pubescent girl must be modest. Her body too, apparently, can incite lust, and this can be her fault. In insisting on the "purity" of children, ACE actually sexualizes girls' bodies. This is not an isolated occurrence.
https://ci6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/vaFRGxApOcN0vQRpsWA5F2RdyyGIsQ5Hd6id_TWte_e8lDzQ9u cUnUUBzpFVq_TSOfcx5WiXgbPOViy71DdEOCzc1QJINd51c9bc AVtxESHlmT_gamnA83QKsRbe3VTvMSrFNmlYweGH7vVyKqrSbx VeeP0a=s0-d-e1-ft#http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/screen-shot-2013-11-24-at-16-01-30.png (http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/screen-shot-2013-11-24-at-16-01-30.png)


3. Feminism is Bad
Women in PACEs only ever do traditionally "feminine" activities. They knit, cook and clean.
https://ci6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/ehRS_D0ThgsghLFVfumcUphXj93bwZk_18sV9moMP2nY6udPsP VF7mGARjhnu1CMwuyA_kTX_KGfGDXf0eMS07pn8MLZPdCWSar4 exUnfITzNDqFQJu9wTie0D6B=s0-d-e1-ft#http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/girls-cook.png (http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/girls-cook.png)
https://ci6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/6FM7yQYT8XcBLdFhM72LODnIGnH5sbeA80U8QNOu8DgTlvmHXY xJvI3OIw6i1d5bLyOklKauHmGEkgIiHJ7a90ISisWpbN_ND6Oj y6rUbjyRxQzWVpF_5WQiQg=s0-d-e1-ft#http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/washing1.png (http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/washing1.png)But they don't paint walls, because that might break their dainty feminine wrists.
https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/pzlJBqohWydwkFFvPZIE_57VZe76G_RNXBfD5P1IbNk8GTKNw7 GDfBhT4CcacnmDvycbEaJh32DyreORmij-ye-Q92ozp1BHQpIo6iPoFlO5zx8HrEBy_Swqjn9KYutzFqSFeltAS PJAlGXG4sk=s0-d-e1-ft#http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/sci1047-men-do-the-painting.png (http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/sci1047-men-do-the-painting.png)
Equal rights for women, of course, would lead to starving children.
https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/I2kEbYYLXKucxxkjfzl1vDRntOoFTUxlbcMZVktM4kn6JiXRYs ucWzrYOjpOJQzBTbs0X5INyWd2Nyl92SjHg6_l7h4799pu9YO0 5GAC248b7-XIDVQTENhNxXuQyvmwqlm1mw=s0-d-e1-ft#http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/womens-liberation.png (http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/womens-liberation.png)


4. Non-Christians Are Evil
Of all the people in the PACE universe, only two are not Christians: Susie Selfwill and Ronny Vain. According to ACE (http://www.aceministries.com/enews/pdf/AugSepAccelerator2013.pdf), these two characters "provide the humanistic, worldly aspect of life. These two personalities 'show up' throughout the inserts as examples of the consequences of unrighteous living."
Ronny is a malevolent scumbag. Other PACE characters make the occasional mistake (like choosing to read a book instead of pray), but Ronny's every action is either stupid or simply unprovoked, intentional evil. Ronny is a thief....
https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/cxU46vc1kqgrRomxH9gzf2CKCEOwoR9LAzK49JnBkpaTzKwgY7 6b83s4ZhgA6MtDsBDzHm0lnZycTTqoutrvgSxBYSVcMQ0-QrLwvDOJoejCt8y08QlRPpF5wPCQBDiZKOa64w=s0-d-e1-ft#http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/ronny-steals-bike.png (http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/ronny-steals-bike.png)
He mocks a small child for crying....
https://ci4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/KO3jZWgt_nugd7pgm3ArQROObXKLiKu8VFkPJ2VPzE0SQETIjy QPH5OF8t8dW750WqBC8rHmjstroVTWvcVpyqz7knmmIBnhsLZ5 jFIRm7-NTstl6yNH9vslo8B3WxfahMtJsgi6r-0K2d9b0pi3tj0=s0-d-e1-ft#http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/ronnie-laughs-when-child-falls.png (http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/ronnie-laughs-when-child-falls.png)And he pressures other kids into smoking.
https://ci4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/rmj8y0oIl_uTemWe2H2jSPpvg_lfEPPouJSDt4v_OEI54WlSV4 vR8mev_ThnrsvtAjsp1YPYSlGTro2QluyFFf6TQANX51aIeDev YYwTLFGtKbGRr4Cp67WLivBLZpbF4tN9D4K5s1c=s0-d-e1-ft#http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/ronnie-cartoon-ss1074.png (http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/ronnie-cartoon-ss1074.png)Later, Ronny crashes his motorcycle, paralyzing one of the other characters in the accident. Following this, Ronny mocks the other character for needing a wheelchair. We are explicitly told that Ronny's bad behavior is because he is not a Christian.
https://ci4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/lrpm83BtHdkHMV3GM3tQmHdotLAOenOTLW4UvM1laUXX3roFZo gKcIDy10Hs4N_A5nDeFYMC2hZtKJrIqdPZ6MGGCDS_3aSz3pnY ALUF9Crwm_mVpN7tQ2yDAHw20_aP0EwPwP9NfX7kPnPtKXHB6r wqeMw3Yjv2WeXN=s0-d-e1-ft#http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/wisdom-pack-1105-ronnie-is-an-unbeliever.png (http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/wisdom-pack-1105-ronnie-is-an-unbeliever.png)
So what happens to Ronny? Does he get saved? Nope....
https://ci4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/ydkkEVhUiphaa2VlODxf2VOuxEAG45NCQsk6uExvhvxgY2vJqR XSMWrMCuX0cWosLtZ2p3B4AZLQ_LlVp2Y1axhWDHM4lay5GjbF dJm1Qpc_R6fWn6K2RaIMVSTCXRVjjcZnSuj2iyNGaqfuncbmGN 5uqeg0=s0-d-e1-ft#http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/screen-shot-2013-12-28-at-15-08-50.png (http://leavingfundamentalism.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/screen-shot-2013-12-28-at-15-08-50.png)

http://www.alternet.org/education/shocking-lessons-christian-educational-cartoons?akid=11458.187590.e3Q2Sp&rd=1&src=newsletter952818&t=13&paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

[DMC]

I'm atheist and even I know most of your conclusions are false, like always.

[boutons_deux]

I'm atheist and even I know most of your conclusions are false, like always.

:lol

I call your bullshit. What are my conclusions and why are they false?

[DMC]

:lol

I call your bullshit. What are my conclusions and why are they false?
When you quote an article and you don't offer a comment, you're using it as your take. Therefore you're using the conclusions that article is using, which are just as dishonest as religion is. It's like the Moore/Coulter concept, basically, but that's where you live.

Ronny isn't bad because he's not Christian. He's bad because he's a prick. You don't have to be a Christian to not be a prick and douchbaggery isn't exclusive to any god belief or lack thereof.

The dress code issue isn't about blaming women for a man's desires. It's about a girl having self respect.

These are elementary concepts that seem to get lost on the militant theist or atheist or whatever bullshit agenda you're pushing this time.

[DMC]

I don't have a problem with parents teaching kids according to their beliefs. That seems to be a basic tenet of freedom in fact. I do have a problem when they try to make hocus pocus magic bullshit into the public school curriculum.

I think publicly funded schools should teach the basics of knowledge, not belief. There's some epistemological grey areas between the two but that's neither here nor there.

[Jacob1983]

The women in the kitchen look like men kinda like Jesus.

[boutons_deux]

"When you quote an article and you don't offer a comment, you're using it as your take."

duh

"Therefore you're using the conclusions that article is using"

duh

"as dishonest as religion is"

WTF? how is referencing an article that exposes Accelerated Christian Indoctrination "dishonest"?

"It's like the Moore/Coulter concept, basically, but that's where you live."

Moore and Coulter are equivalent in their methods is FALSE.

"Ronny isn't bad because he's not Christian."

The message is very clear that Ronny IS a prick AND is NOT a Christian. The implication, by the ACI pricks, is clear that he is a prick BECAUSE he isn't a Christian. iow, be a Christian, don't be a prick.

"The dress code issue isn't about blaming women for a man's desires. It's about a girl having self respect."

Self-respect was not mentioned or implied in the cartoon. Mom was tricking her daughter out of the short skirt without HONESTLY telling her why.

"whatever bullshit agenda you're pushing this time"

referencing an article exposing ACE as indoctrination into Biblical bullshit, outright falsehoods, gender-based roles (only men paint, "Christian" women don't fix mechanical stuff, don't demand equal rights and pay, blacks STFU and obey The White Man) is bullshit? Well, you really ACEd me on that one. :lol

ACE can indoctrinate as much as they want, as long at taxpayer dollars are not financing ACE.

Now matter who pays for it, ACE is abusing its authority as educator, lying to young, naive, trusting kids.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol

Textbooks of some state-funded Christian schools praise the Ku Klux Klan.

The violent, racist organisation, which still exists in the US, advocates white supremacy, white nationalism and anti-immigration.

One excerpt from Bob Jones University Press American history textbook has been reported as saying: "the [Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross ... In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."

:lmao

[Blake]

Lol "Jesus doesn't want me to smoke even one cigarette"

[boutons_deux]

History[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Accelerated_Christian_Education&action=edit&section=1)]

Accelerated Christian Education was founded in 1970 by Dr. Donald Howard and his first wife Esther.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Christian_Education#cite_note-timeline-5) They set about developing a biblically literalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_literalism) educational curriculum that was adopted by a number of private Christian schools.

He traveled extensively to promote ACE schools, viewing the establishment of ACE schools around the world as a new form of missions — he called it educational missions. According to information on the Accelerated Christian Education website, the Howards opened the first school to use the ACE program in Garland, Texas.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Christian_Education#cite_note-timeline-5)

They started with 45 students. By 1971, they had added six new schools.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Christian_Education#cite_note-timeline-5)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Christian_Education

Dr Donald Ray Howard, 79, Lewisville, TX, formerly of Topeka, died Tuesday, February 5, 2013.

He was born November 27, 1933 in Topeka, KS, the son of LaVerne Glenn and Mildred Norrean (Mellinger) Howard. He was a 1951 graduate of Topeka High School, served in the U.S. Marine Corps, graduated from Washburn University and received his PhD. from Bob Jones University. :lol

A man of unique vision and leadership his life’s pursuit was the perfecting of individual education and developing innovative tools that transformed education internationally. He was founder of the Calvary College, Accelerated Christian Education, School of Tomorrow, and School of Reform.

http://www.penwellgabeltopeka.com/obituary.aspx?src=choice&obitid=64897

[boutons_deux]

Republicans blitz four states with five creationism bills so far this yearRepublican legislators in four states have introduced five bills so far this year that would allow teachers to teach creationism alongside the theory of evolution.

South Dakota Republicans introduced a Senate bill (http://legis.sd.gov/Legislative_Session/Bills/Bill.aspx?File=SB112P.htm&Session=2014) on Wednesday that would that would forbid school boards or administrators from acting to prohibit teachers from “providing instruction on intelligent design or other related topics.”

The broadly worded statute clearly violates federal law, according to the head of a science education advocacy group.


Lawmakers in Oklahoma (http://ncse.com/news/2014/01/antiscience-bill-oklahoma-0015305) and Virginia (http://ncse.com/news/2014/01/update-from-virginia-0015336) are considering similar measures, while Missouri (http://ncse.com/news/2014/01/second-antievolution-bill-missouri-0015338) has two separate bills under consideration.

Virginia’s broadly written measure encourages teachers to present scientific controversies and analyze the strengths and weaknesses of a scientific theory without interference from school officials.

Similar measures in Oklahoma and Missouri would encourage teachers with “idiosyncratic opinions to teach anything they pleased,” the NCSE said.


A House bill in Missouri would mandate equal class time for “intelligent design” alongside science instruction in public schools, including introductory courses at colleges and universities.


www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/31/republicans-blitz-four-states-with-five-creationism-bills-so-far-this-year/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+(The+Raw+Story)

ignorant, bad faith, stupid Bible-thumpers

[RandomGuy]

When you quote an article and you don't offer a comment, you're using it as your take. Therefore you're using the conclusions that article is using, which are just as dishonest as religion is. It's like the Moore/Coulter concept, basically, but that's where you live.

Ronny isn't bad because he's not Christian. He's bad because he's a prick. You don't have to be a Christian to not be a prick and douchbaggery isn't exclusive to any god belief or lack thereof.

The dress code issue isn't about blaming women for a man's desires. It's about a girl having self respect.

These are elementary concepts that seem to get lost on the militant theist or atheist or whatever bullshit agenda you're pushing this time.


"provide the humanistic, worldly aspect of life. These two personalities 'show up' throughout the inserts as examples of the consequences of unrighteous living."

Sorry, the conclusion is supported by the quote given.

These are very radical Christians who really do hew to this as the underlying subtext. If one were to get an honest answer out of the authors as to the why's of the lesson, you would get close to that.

Don't underestimate the outgrowths of the concept of original sin. It is a very ugly concept that drives a rather depressing view of human nature.

[RandomGuy]

I don't have a problem with parents teaching kids according to their beliefs. That seems to be a basic tenet of freedom in fact. I do have a problem when they try to make hocus pocus magic bullshit into the public school curriculum.

I think publicly funded schools should teach the basics of knowledge, not belief. There's some epistemological grey areas between the two but that's neither here nor there.

The problem though, is that the "hocus pocus" beliefs guide some of the values taught. The "woo" and the values can be so intertwined as to be inseparable.

That is the problem with trying to claim the bible is a moral "system" or some sort of moral guide. It isn't. It is a series of contradictory moral pronouncements, some of which are outright evil.

[TeyshaBlue]

Fuckin' Nessie deniers.

[Blake]

When you quote an article and you don't offer a comment, you're using it as your take. Therefore you're using the conclusions that article is using, which are just as dishonest as religion is. It's like the Moore/Coulter concept, basically, but that's where you live.

Ronny isn't bad because he's not Christian. He's bad because he's a prick. You don't have to be a Christian to not be a prick and douchbaggery isn't exclusive to any god belief or lack thereof.

The dress code issue isn't about blaming women for a man's desires. It's about a girl having self respect.

These are elementary concepts that seem to get lost on the militant theist or atheist or whatever bullshit agenda you're pushing this time.

Dunno man. The Christian school I went to pretty much implied that short skirts were gateway drugs.

[DMC]

Dunno man. The Christian school I went to pretty much implied that short skirts were gateway drugs.

Implied?

[DMC]

The problem though, is that the "hocus pocus" beliefs guide some of the values taught. The "woo" and the values can be so intertwined as to be inseparable.

That is the problem with trying to claim the bible is a moral "system" or some sort of moral guide. It isn't. It is a series of contradictory moral pronouncements, some of which are outright evil.

What's the difference between hocus pocus and "because I said so"?

[Blake]

And since it was baptist, there was no dancing, because dancing leads to drinking, drinking leads to premarital sex, premarital sex leads to the devil.

[Blake]

Implied?

It was never formally written that was the reason for prohibiting short skirts, but administration and teachers would say it.

But then my school may have been the radical exception.

[DMC]

And since it was baptist, there was no dancing, because dancing leads to drinking, drinking leads to premarital sex, premarital sex leads to the devil.

Sex out of wedlock is a sin. When you're in a religious environment, you will encounter religious ideals.

[Blake]

Sex out of wedlock is a sin. When you're in a religious environment, you will encounter religious ideals.

But dancing isn't a sin

[DMC]

But dancing isn't a sin

Neither is nudity.

[Blake]

Neither is nudity.

Debatable, 1 Timothy 2:9 women should wear modest clothes

But that's not the point. The point is that southern baptists like to preach what certain acts can potentially lead to, even if those acts aren't really sins

[DMC]

Debatable, 1 Timothy 2:9 women should wear modest clothes

But that's not the point. The point is that southern baptists like to preach what certain acts can potentially lead to, even if those acts aren't really sins

Doesn't make it a sin not to. Paul said women should be quiet in church. It's not a sin to disobey Paul.

Parents like to preach what certain acts can potentially lead to. If you're part of a flock, the Shepard's job is to protect you and "guide" you just as a parent does for a child. Part of that is "don't cross the street" as that may lead to lots of problems you want to avoid.

My point is that there are underlying reasons even in religion that people tie these things together, and you cannot just single out religion as having that tendency. It's more of a social method. We've learned cause and effect and try to eliminate the cause. Often we get on a slippery slope or path of infinite regression and suddenly you can no longer rationally tie the stated cause with the effect.

Example: Don't go to bars because bars have alcohol and alcohol makes you intoxicated and driving drunk kills people. So, had they not gone to the bar in the first place, JR Smith's friend might still be alive (or whatever).

It sounds more reasonable to say "don't drink and drive" but then why go to bars if you're not going to drink? Ah, a designated driver... With sin I don't think there's a designated out though. If you dance you're getting fuckedPERIOD.

[RandomGuy]

What's the difference between hocus pocus and "because I said so"?

Not sure what you are trying to ask here.

I give my kids almost no "because I said so"s.

Whenever I talk to them about wrong or right in moral terms, I tend to simply ask questions to get them to utilize their sense of empathy, and put themselves in others' shoes.

It seems to be working out so far.

[DMC]

So if you don't teach a child the difference between right and wrong, do you think they will automatically know it through empathy?