Bargnani + Lillard (if available at #8) for Tony and Tiago

[iManu]

The flip side of this would be Calderon and Perry Jones III for One-Eyed Tony and Tiago.









GNSF Poll Attempt 2.0.

[iManu]

Bargnani = Another stretch 4 from Toronto.

[iManu]

Lillard = The selfless (but offensively talented) pg the Spurs always wanted.

[Russo21]

I've actually never watched a game Bargnani has played live. But i've heard he's a shitty rebounder and defender especially for his size. Sure he can put up 20ppg but we need help on the boards and with defense. I think we could do better for Tony.

Bargnani= Worst rebounding 7 footer i've ever noticed statistically for a guy playing his amount of minutes.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol a clone of bonner, no thanks

[timvp]

Bargnani + Lillard (if available at #8) for Tony and Tiago

That might be the worst trade idea I've ever seen. I wouldn't take Bargnani for free even if the Raptors kicked in $10 million. And you are going to give away Parker and Splitter on top of that?

That's a great trade if your goal is to become the NBA's worst defensive team.

[MR-Clutch]

I'd rather have Ed Davis and John Henson, and go after Nash in fa, and find a suitable back up. Not gonna happen but one can dream.

[racm]

lol a clone of bonner, no thanks

Didn't we get Bonner from Toronto too? :lol

Bargnani should be called An'rea Bargnani, cause he's bad at D

[Russ]

I'm not sure I'd even trade Tiago straight up for Bargnani.

That leaves TP straight up for the #8 pick, which also makes little sense.

[racm]

I'm not sure I'd even trade Tiago straight up for Bargnani.

That leaves TP straight up for the #8 pick, which also makes little sense.

One does not simply trade a team's MVP for a non-top 3 lottery pick.

[sananspursfan21]

That might be the worst trade idea I've ever seen. I wouldn't take Bargnani for free even if the Raptors kicked in $10 million. And you are going to give away Parker and Splitter on top of that?

That's a great trade if your goal is to become the NBA's worst defensive team.

My thoughts exactly. I guess id take bargnani for free, but you couldnt pay me to start him

[CubanMustGo]

GNSF Poll Attempt 2.0.

Fail 2.0.

[T Park]

Why the F would the Spurs want the Italian Matt Bonner...?

[lefty]

Yes


Make it happen RC

[baseline bum]

I wouldn't trade Bonner for Bargnani.

[jag]

I wouldn't trade Bonner for Bargnani.

I would. Dude is overrated, but he isn't a scrub. Bonner is worthless.

[baseline bum]

I would. Dude is overrated, but he isn't a scrub. Bonner is worthless.

I wouldn't. It would be like having Bonner, except he'd be playing 35 minutes a night. He's one of the few players in the league who may be worse defensively than the redhead faggot.

[cheguevara]

i would. Dude is overrated, but he isn't a scrub. Bonner is worthless.

+ 100

if Bonner comes back with Spurs next season I am switching allegiances

[eisfeld]

I'd rather take Calderon, Johnson and the pick for Tony without giving up Tiago.

[timvp]

Bonner's D > Bargnani's D

And Bonner doesn't have $32+ million still owed to him.

I'd rather have Bonner too.

[swaggerjackson]

I could be open to Tiago for Ed Davis who I think the Spurs were previously interested in. But this is, FORGET IT!

[Vic Petro]

Does Lillard remind anyone else of Antonio Daniels?

[angelbelow]

Yeah sounds good. We should throw in Manu for the next worse player on the Raptor roster. Preferably someone with no basketball value but has a bloated, long term contract.

[baseline bum]

Could swap RC and Bryan Colangelo too.

[portnoy1]

I am a Raptors fan, and love Bargnani's offensive game. BUT!!!! while i think spurs training would improve him, the fact that he gets alot of money already and hasnt shown any desire to rebound or D up would put any team that gets him at a disadvantage.

[Fenix]

Bonner's D > Bargnani's D

And Bonner doesn't have $32+ million still owed to him.

I'd rather have Bonner too.

bargnani averaged 20 + ppg and had a 20 PER, bonner PER was single digit

[timvp]

bargnani averaged 20 + ppgNegative.
and had a 20 PERNegative.

bonner PER was single digitNegative.






A rarely seen threesome of erroneous claims within one sentence. Pretty impressive, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Someone was wrong about Bargs, but this is still stupid.

[baseline bum]

LOL power forward who shoots 43% and who rebounds at almost the same per-minute rate as Bonner.

[8FOR!3]

To be fair, I think he averaged just under 20. While I can't say he's lived up to being the #1 pick I wouldn't say he's a bust either. I'm a Bargnani fan so I'd do it, but for the best interest in the Spurs the trade's a stupid idea. Only guys I'd trade Parker for in this draft are Anthony Davis and MKG. Kidd-Gilchrist MAY drop to #4 or 5 and he's got good size, he's a good defender, and he's athletic. You need a guy in that mold to compete with a LeBron James or the Kevin Durants of the world. Harrison Barnes is another I'd consider.

[iManu]

My whole point of this thread was looking for some way to get Lillard and a big (when I found out that a sign and trade for Kaman wouldn't work), I haven't seen Bargnani play for a couple years, but thought he might spread the floor. I couldn't find any other big in the Lillard area that would make it worth it/make the salaries match.




So, you're saying I'm an idiot.
http://theramblingman.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/tommy-boy.jpg

[DJ Mbenga]

i would take that deal and run with hit. splitter is useless without ginobli setting him up

[ElNono]

Is the OP's name Chris Wallace?

[temujin]

I wouldn't trade Bonner for bargnano either.

He is one of the dumbest player in the business.
Can't think of a more anti-Spur.

[iManu]

I hope, for all of y'all souls' sakes, that I am wrong, and Lillard is just another Summer League fwap. http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/07/22/selby-lillard-named-co-mvps/

[NickiRasgo]

I hope, for all of y'all souls' sakes, that I am wrong, and Lillard is just another Summer League fwap. http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/07/22/selby-lillard-named-co-mvps/

He (Damian Lillard) is not available for #8.

[baseline bum]

LOL, Bargnani. I'd rather have Jefferson back.

[ChumpDumper]

I hope, for all of y'all souls' sakes, that I am wrong, and Lillard is just another Summer League fwap. http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/07/22/selby-lillard-named-co-mvps/lol souls

[gambit1990]

A rarely seen threesome of erroneous claims within one sentence. Pretty impressive, tbh.
:lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

bargnani averaged 20 + ppg and had a 20 PER, bonner PER was single digit

meaningless stats in the pathetic east

[racm]

Plus, Bargnani was a number one pick.

[mabrignani]

Bonner's D > Bargnani's D



bull

[baseline bum]

^truth... Bonner's D >> Bargnani's D

[mabrignani]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVf6XkXnFeE

idk how to embed video's but thats just one of the many games they have of him, and he gets in Noah's head, gets him thrown out in the 2nd quarter...and beasts boozer with a block in the first couple seconds of the video lol

[mabrignani]

yall are crazy, bargnani

[Mel_13]

He's on Bonner's poster.


http://i38.tinypic.com/10z1m51.gif

http://i34.tinypic.com/2naoei9.gif

[mabrignani]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys-CK07WwPo

bargnani vs spurs

bargnani >>>> Bonner+Splitter+Blair

[mabrignani]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys-CK07WwPo

bargnani vs spurs

bargnani >>>> Bonner+Splitter+Blair

[mabrignani]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys-CK07WwPo
4:10 nails a 3 in bonners face to give them the lead in the 3rd

[mabrignani]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys-CK07WwPo
4:25 takes splitter out the game

[mabrignani]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_sQsntc3Xw
D's up bosh and the current nba champs and drops 27

[Mel_13]

129 players 7' or taller have played at least 100 games in NBA history.

Andrea ranks 126th out of 129 in total rebounding percentage. His career rebounding percentage is 9.6 compared to 10.9 for Bonner. #1 pick in the draft, 7' feet tall, and doesn't rebound as well as Matt Bonner.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=84&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=g&c1comp=gt&c1val=100&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=trb_pct

[mabrignani]

129 players 7' or taller have played at least 100 games in NBA history.

Andrea ranks 126th out of 129 in total rebounding percentage. His career rebounding percentage is 9.6 compared to 10.9 for Bonner. #1 pick in the draft, 7' feet tall, and doesn't rebound as well as Matt Bonner.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=84&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=g&c1comp=gt&c1val=100&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=trb_pct
he had bosh on his team, hard to get rebounds when bosh is taking them all

[Mel_13]

idk how to embed video's

Check #7 of the FAQ stickied at the top of the forum for instructions.

[mabrignani]

and hes 4th on that list for scoring....you put him next to duncan and he will be 1000000x better than bonner

[Mel_13]

he had bosh on his team, hard to get rebounds when bosh is taking them all

Sorry, but lame.

He's at 9.6 for his career. 8.6 and 9.8 in the two years without Bosh. He's among the very, very worst rebounding 7 footers in NBA history. That's just a fact.

[mabrignani]

hes 9th in total rebounds.....

[Mel_13]

and hes 4th on that list for scoring....you put him next to duncan and he will be 1000000x better than bonner

Btw, if you're trying to make a case for a former #1 overall pick by saying that he's better than Matt Bonner, you've already lost the debate.

[mabrignani]

and you choose the one stat that is guessed and doesnt mean shit...he gets 5.5 rbs a game...not that bad, hes a dirk type player

[Mel_13]

hes 9th in total rebounds.....

Among the bottom 29 in rebounding percentage... not exactly something to hang your hat on.

[mabrignani]

Among the bottom 29 in rebounding percentage... not exactly something to hang your hat on.

an estimated rebounding percentage....

[mabrignani]

the people who voted against getting bargnani are crazy, he is a young #1 pick who can drop 25 points easily, and would play bonners role drastically better than bonner and then some

[Mel_13]

and you choose the one stat that is guessed and doesnt mean shit...he gets 5.5 rbs a game...not that bad, hes a dirk type player

Last year. 4.9 for his career. That's horrific for a 7 footer. Dirk is at 8.3 for his career.

[Mel_13]

an estimated rebounding percentage....

:lol

The same method was used to calculate every player's percentage. Are you saying that the method is unfairly biased against Andrea?

[Mel_13]

the people who voted against getting bargnani are crazy, he is a young #1 pick who can drop 25 points easily, and would play bonners role drastically better than bonner and then some

Again, being a better Bonner is an awfully low bar for a former #1 pick.

[mabrignani]

:lol

The same method was used to calculate every player's percentage. Are you saying that the method is unfairly biased against Andrea?

no, im saying its a stupid stat...

[mabrignani]

Last year. 4.9 for his career. That's horrific for a 7 footer. Dirk is at 8.3 for his career.

4.9 for the years with bosh...now that hes out of bosh's shadow he is raising his rebounds per game. next year i bet he will average 6-7 rbs a game

[Mel_13]

and you choose the one stat that is guessed and doesnt mean shit...he gets 5.5 rbs a game...not that bad, hes a dirk type player

Ok, we'll use rebounds/36 minutes. 131st out of 133. Face it, no matter how you slice it Andrea is among the very worst rebounding 7 footers in NBA history.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=84&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=g&c1comp=gt&c1val=100&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=trb_per_mp

[mabrignani]

Ok, we'll use rebounds/36 minutes. 131st out of 133. Face it, no matter how you slice it Andrea is among the very worst rebounding 7 footers in NBA history.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=84&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=g&c1comp=gt&c1val=100&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=trb_per_mp

only 32 spots under dirk, not too bad for the start of a long and hall of fame ending career

[Mel_13]

4.9 for the years with bosh...now that hes out of bosh's shadow he is raising his rebounds per game. next year i bet he will average 6-7 rbs a game

No, 4.9 for his entire career.

He was at 6.2 his last season with Bosh. 5.2 and 5.5 in the two seasons without him. Plus his rebounds per minutes are down and his rebounding percentage is down.

[Mel_13]

only 32 spots under dirk, not too bad for the start of a long and hall of fame ending career

:lol

Ok, you win. 131st out of 133 isn't too bad.

[mabrignani]

Ok, we'll use rebounds/36 minutes. 131st out of 133. Face it, no matter how you slice it Andrea is among the very worst rebounding 7 footers in NBA history.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=84&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=g&c1comp=gt&c1val=100&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=trb_per_mp

he is a top 10 shot blocking 7 footers in NBA history according to that site

[mabrignani]

top 8 7 footer in NBA history in steals

[mabrignani]

#1 FT%, def something the spurs need

[Mel_13]

he is a top 10 shot blocking 7 footers in NBA history according to that site

No, he's not. When you click the Blocks column at the top of the page on which he's listed, it only ranks him against the other 32 worst rebounders.

[mabrignani]

Ok, you win.

always do

[Mel_13]

Block %, 95th of 128. Blocks per minute, 101st of 128.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=84&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=g&c1comp=gt&c1val=100&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=blk_pct

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=84&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=g&c1comp=gt&c1val=100&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=blk_per_mp

[Mel_13]

He's not an historically bad shot blocker, merely far below average for a 7 footer.

[racm]

He's Brook Lopez with 3 point range. :lmao

[iManu]

Would you trade him for Splitter, may truly be the question. Lillard isn't Parker, but someday he could be. He's damn good already, though.

When was the last time a Spur PF or C not named Tim scored 29 points?

I'm guessing Blair?

Who other than Blair? And when was that?

[racm]

The last time a Spurs big could play offense other than TD was the Admiral, tbh...

PF is the Spurs' biggest weakness, but the only things the Spurs need in that regard is someone who plays solid post D and can finish on the PnR or shoot from 3 even.

Unluckily Bargs doesn't play solid D, just passable D, and that's with a defensive-minded coach in Dwane Casey.

EDIT: I seem to remember Malik Rose scoring 34 once.

[Stabula]

I can't believe such an outrageous proposition turned into a 4 page thread.

[ginobili fan]

Do it .
Tired of this one-eye TP .

[iManu]

I can't believe such an outrageous proposition turned into a 4 page thread.

It's not that outrageous. Lillard is already good and will likely be an All Star or on the fringes for the next ten years. He's also gifted at distributing the ball and can shoot. This thread was about Lillard. Andrea is a scoring threat (and we haven't had one and Splitter even doesn't really for a defensive threat, I'm afraid).

:deadhorse

Makes me hope that Diaw can shed some pounds and become an offensive threat, again.

[iManu]

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/07/16/tony-parker-glasses-basketball-6-480w.jpg

Let's hope it doesn't matter, but when my eye got fucked so did my shooting and when I had to wear glasses when I played, it made it even more difficult. I don't look at my hands when I dribble, but that ball just disappeared from my periphery. I think Lillard's a sure thing. He's a righty that makes you think he's a lefty and he's so good at that, his arsenal is incredible.

[NickiRasgo]

It's not that outrageous. Lillard is already good and will likely be an All Star or on the fringes for the next ten years. He's also gifted at distributing the ball and can shoot. This thread was about Lillard. Andrea is a scoring threat (and we haven't had one and Splitter even doesn't really for a defensive threat, I'm afraid).

:deadhorse

Makes me hope that Diaw can shed some pounds and become an offensive threat, again.

But Lillard is not available at #6.

[benefactor]

Let's hope it doesn't matter, but when my eye got fucked so did my shooting and when I had to wear glasses when I played, it made it even more difficult.
Then you never were very good in the first place. Shooting is more about form and muscle memory than it is vision.

[Stabula]

Your eyesight is probably one of the most important things to have as a PG. You need court vision.

[mabrignani]

I can't believe such an outrageous proposition turned into a 4 page thread.

fratelli d'italia

[iManu]

Then you never were very good in the first place. Shooting is more about form and muscle memory than it is vision.

What? I won an award for best point guard at the largest basketball camp in the midwest. Try parking your car with one eye and see if you run into something. Muscle memory means shit if you don't know what your muscle memory is relative with. When I finally played again, the airballs were frustrating, and it took a long time before I relearned how to shoot (but I lost what I once had). Tennis? Fuck it, forget about it. Since Tony doesn't shoot very far out, I hope that it doesn't affect him, what worries me more is what these glasses will do to his dribbling-periphery.

[portnoy1]

Bargnani has amazing skills. He can shoot, drive and if he wasn't determined to be the LAZIEST basketball player in the league he has the length to rebound, block shots and then some. If he wanted, he could be a beast on each end of the court But.........He is not. Lazyness is not tolerated on the Spurs and as far as Lillard he better be able to handle pressure from coach like Tony did. Terrible trade unless Bargnani was all that I mentioned above.

[8FOR!3]

You want to know what's crazy? If he had Matt Bonner's work ethic he'd be one of the best players in the world. Bargnani's lazy as can be. I'm a fan though of him as a player.

[tlongII]

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