Dragic wants at least 10 million a year

[djohn2oo8]

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/911394203/avatar_normal.jpeg Ken Berger @KBergCBS While we're on the topic, league sources say free-agent PG Goran Dragic also is looking for a deal that starts in the $10M range.

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[LkrFan]

How much cap room does Morey have to play with?

[djohn2oo8]

How much cap room does Morey have to play with?
Not sure at the moment, but 10+ is way too much.

[Mel_13]

Hibbert-max
Dragic- 10M+
Asik-8M+

Just wow.

[LkrFan]

Not sure at the moment, but 10+ is way too much.

Excellent. :toast

[Venti Quattro]

He's not commanding $10 million in a league where point guards are aplenty.

Plus he's European.

[The Franchise]

Doesn't hurt to ask.

[Pelicans78]

4 years 30 million is fair for Dragic.

[baseline bum]

A little high: I see him pulling something around 4 years, $36 million (no way he gets a fifth year). However, he'll get every penny of that $10 million starting + 4.5% raises if Williams walks to Dallas and Brooklyn gets in the mix.

[Halberto]

He's worth 7 mill a year at the most

[baseline bum]

He's worth 7 mill a year at the most

If one dimensional guys like Stuckey can pull $8.5 million per, there's no way you're getting Dragic that cheap. Not a chance in hell.

[Kamnik]

He has a big upside.
Coaches and teammates love him.
He is a fan favourite.
Not injury prone.
Entering his prime.

10 mil is a lot.... but not necesarilly overpaying in this market.

[baseline bum]

He has a big upside.
Coaches and teammates love him.
He is a fan favourite.
Not injury prone.
Entering his prime.

10 mil is a lot.... but not necesarilly overpaying in this market.

If he really means $10M per and not $10M starting, then it's probably pretty close to what his market value will be. The 4 years, $36 million that I'm predicting would be starting just over $8 million with Bird raises.

[The Franchise]

He's worth 7 mill a year at the most

Agreed.

[Latarian Milton]

H ain't givin him nothing bigger than an upgraded version of MLE which will be something like 7-8m/yr 4 year deal, if he rejects it then let him walk elsewhere. he's getting overpaid like JJB last summer but houston ain't the team that's gonna overpay him imho

[Edward]

In this market 10M a year would be overpaying but not by that much.

[Fenix]

Agreed.

ben gordon is making 11 m a year
stuckey makes 9 m year
calderon makes 10m a year


dragic i s better than all of them

[baseline bum]

If Omer fucking Asik can get $8 million certainly Dragic can get $10 million. I know he's a bigman, but fuck, the guy's not that good now and doesn't have any kind of ceiling.

[Kai]

If Omer fucking Asik can get $8 million certainly Dragic can get $10 million. I know he's a bigman, but fuck, the guy's not that good now and doesn't have any kind of ceiling.

Completely different market for PGs, but you might be right and a team might get desperate a la Joe Johnson 2010.

[ploto]

They are talking about an average not a starting year salary.

[LnGrrrR]

I guess I could see 10 mil for an average... roughly, it would work out to 8.5 the first year, 9.5, 10.5, then 11.5 for the last year, which seems fair enough.

[AussieFanKurt]

lol

[100%duncan]

He deserves around 7.5 to 9 imo.

[Killakobe81]

ben gordon is making 11 m a year
stuckey makes 9 m year
calderon makes 10m a year


dragic i s better than all of them

Dis is true but only Stuckey was signed to that in the New CBA, I actually like Dragic just think paying for upside is why the owners are dumb in the first place you should pay for performance.

[Pelicans78]

Contracts aren't worth as much now as they were in the previous CBA. Less cap room to operate with especially with a worse luxury tax.

[dunkman]

Why only 10 tbh ?

[ElNono]

I want $15 million a year!

[Malice]

I want a BJ from Kate Upton.

[resistanze]

And the owners will be complaining that they're bleeding money in the next CBA.

[Kidd K]

10m for Dragic?

lol.

[Mel_13]

Sources: Rockets, Dragic far apart
By Marc Stein


The Houston Rockets are pessimistic about their chances of re-signing point guard Goran Dragic with the sides far apart in negotiations, according to sources close to the process.

The Rockets met with Dragic on Monday in Houston and were hopeful of reaching terms quickly with the Slovenian, who averaged 16.3 points and 7.3 assists in 32 games after the All-Star break following an injury to Kyle Lowry.

But Dragic left town without a deal, sources said, leading one source close to the process to say that the lefty's expected return to the Rockets is "not going to happen." Dragic is scheduled Tuesday to visit the Phoenix Suns, who dealt him to the Rockets at the 2011 trade deadline.

Dragic is said to be seeking an annual salary of at least $10 million and, according to sources familiar with his thinking, expects to be installed as the starter wherever he lands.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/47057/sources-dragic-return-to-rockets-unlikely

[Pelicans78]

If Dragic lands with Phoenix, DOK will be in heaven. Makes drafting Marshall over Henson even dumber.

[Kai]

Ugh, don't leave Gogi :(

[SenorSpur]

And if the Rockets pony up that kind of cash for Dragic, they'll regret it less than 24 hours later. They're going to soon regret that 25 mil they just ponied up for Asik.

:lol @ GM Morey

[Kobayagi]

If Dragic has to take less money (like 7-8 mil), I'm sure he can get it from a contender or at least a 2nd round playoff team and I'm sure he'd rather do that.

Signing Asik was a sign that the Rockets are not counting on anything better than a borderline playoff/1st round exit team in the West.

[racm]

:lmao Morey
:lmao doing a lot of trades
:lmao potentially losing a first rounder to the Hawks
:lmao not resigning their best player
:lmao 14th pick/8th seed forever

[Mel_13]

Negotiating the Asik deal before talking to Dragic was just plain stupid. You can't offer 8M/yr to a guy who averaged 3 ppg and then successfully play hardball with a guy who put up 18.0/8.4 as a starter for your team last year.

[SenorSpur]

Negotiating the Asik deal before talking to Dragic was just plain stupid. You can't offer 8M/yr to a guy who averaged 3 ppg and then successfully play hardball with a guy who put up 18.0/8.4 as a starter for your team last year.

^ Exactly.

Why Dragic wasn't offseason priority number one for the Rockets is unexplainable and inexcusable. Morey may be a whiz kid and certified stats guru, but as far as common sense, he's truly a dumbass.

Another season of 40 wins and no playoffs is in store for this team.

[djohn2oo8]

^ Exactly.

Why Dragic wasn't offseason priority number one for the Rockets is unexplainable and inexcusable. Morey may be a whiz kid and certified stats guru, but as far as common sense, he's truly a dumbass.

Another season of 40 wins and no playoffs is in store for this team.
What's worse is retarded ass Rocketfans over at CF would rather let Dragic walk and have Asik. :bang

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If Dragic lands with Phoenix, DOK will be in heaven. Makes drafting Marshall over Henson even dumber.
No kidding. They might potentially sign Dragic, Mayo and Beasley (they have the cap room to). If they did that and drafted Henson, they're an exciting young team with potential to make the playoffs.

[djohn2oo8]

If Kyle Lowry is starting at PG, I'm done with this team and declaring for free agency.

[Kai]

I'd be pretty upset if we essentially choose Asik over Dragic, especially since we signed Asik first because We can go over the cap to sign Gogi.

[smaka]

Houston's managers ... what the hell? Asik >> Dragic in their opinion? Dragic should be priority nr 1 this offseason, no question about it. Paying a scrub 25 mil and not willing to offer a good contract to the guy everyone loved there -- hm...

[baseline bum]

No kidding. They might potentially sign Dragic, Mayo and Beasley (they have the cap room to). If they did that and drafted Henson, they're an exciting young team with potential to make the playoffs.

What the fuck do they want Beasley and Mayo for? That's going to be Warrick and Childress all over again. Beasley just sucks and Mayo is a role player who never lived up to the hype (I remember when he was considered a prospect at the level of Rose :lol).

[Pelicans78]

Yeah, I don't care for Beasley at all and Mayo is just ok for now.

[Mel_13]

Rockets will visit with Jeremy Lin tomorrow in Houston, according to source.

The Rockets will offer a deal similar to the contract Dragic turned down, source said.

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[Kai]

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Fuck you Phoenix

[DPG21920]

No kidding. They might potentially sign Dragic, Mayo and Beasley (they have the cap room to). If they did that and drafted Henson, they're an exciting young team with potential to make the playoffs.

Not to mention they traded Dragic + a first rounder for Brooks

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Not to mention they traded Dragic + a first rounder for Brooks
Don't get me started on det :lol

I'm at least glad to see they're going after Dragic and not afraid to admit mistake

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

What the fuck do they want Beasley and Mayo for? That's going to be Warrick and Childress all over again. Beasley just sucks and Mayo is a role player who never lived up to the hype (I remember when he was considered a prospect at the level of Rose :lol).
I just wanna hear Lance Blanks have a press conference about how Michael Beasley has a great brain and is a great human being :lol

[DPG21920]

Im just astonished at how people on here are so high on Dragic that they act like 10M to him is not really a big deal. He is a talented guy, but giving him 10M is way too much IMO for someone that has not proven anything on a consistent basis.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Im just astonished at how people on here are so high on Dragic that they act like 10M to him is not really a big deal. He is a talented guy, but giving him 10M is way too much IMO for someone that has not proven anything on a consistent basis.
I agree, but, in a market where Omar Asik is getting over $8M a year, $10M a year for Dragic isn't a big deal. He's proven a lot more than Asik, most notably that he's MORE efficient when given a bigger role and more minutes.

[Pelicans78]

10 million for one season wouldn't be bad. His production from last season warrants it. But for 4 years it would be too much considering he didn't nearly as much in his first 3 seasons. I think 4 years 30 million is fair. But some team will give him 4 years 40 million.

[DPG21920]

I'd say he is a 6m dollar player.

[Kai]

Don't get me started on det :lol

I'm at least glad to see they're going after Dragic and not afraid to admit mistake

Don't feel too bad about it, we traded Dragic as a throw-in to NO for Gasol last year :lol

[Pelicans78]

I agree, but, in a market where Omar Asik is getting over $8M a year, $10M a year for Dragic isn't a big deal. He's proven a lot more than Asik, most notably that he's MORE efficient when given a bigger role and more minutes.

Yup, his production last season warrants 10 million a year, especially of guys like Asik are getting 8 million a season. I think 4 years 40 million is too much since he didn't as much the previous seasons, but based on last season alone, he's worth 10 million. If he can match what he did last season for the next few seasons, then 10 million a year will easily be worth it.

[DPG21920]

Sure, but he hasn't done that consistently and if you aren't a big and you aren't top 10 in your position, you don't get double digits IMO.

Also, people can't use one stupid contract (Asik) for everything.

[DPG21920]

Yup, his production last season warrants 10 million a year, especially of guys like Asik are getting 8 million a season. I think 4 years 40 million is too much since he didn't as much the previous seasons, but based on last season alone, he's worth 10 million. If he can match what he did last season for the next few seasons, then 10 million a year will easily be worth it.

TP was making 12M a year - that comparision is more reliable and Dragic is no where near TP.

[Mel_13]

Also, people can't use one stupid contract (Asik) for everything.

:lol

They've been using the Gasol trade to LA as justification for every stupid trade scenario since 2008.

[Pelicans78]

I'd say he is a 6m dollar player.

Not if you look at last season's production. That's easily worth more than 6-7 million, especially in the current market. Jarrett Jack is almost making 6 million for the Hornets and his production hasn't approached what Dragic did last season. The only problem with Dragic is he has done that only for one season instead of 3-4 seasons.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Dragic was consistently and 18 point 8 assist player when he got the minutes last year. He's not worth $10M imo, but to harp on it as if it's a crazy albatross deal is stupid. Dragic for $10M a year doesn't even sniff some of the other deals given out recently.

Laundry Fields getting 3 years $20M is a lot dumber. Eric Gordon getting a max deal is WAY dumber.

[Mel_13]

TP was making 12M a year - that comparision is more reliable and Dragic is no where near TP.

TP's 4yr/50M (41.5M guaranteed) extension is looking pretty good at this point.

[DPG21920]

:lol

They've been using the Gasol trade to LA as justification for every stupid trade scenario since 2008.

True :lol

[DPG21920]

TP's 4yr/50M (41.5M guaranteed) extension is looking pretty good at this point.

We all knew how amazing of a deal that was the second he signed it, but wow, you are right - looking like a complete steal now.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Nash for 3 years, $36,000,000 is also much dumber than Dragic @ $10m a year

[DPG21920]

Dragic was consistently and 18 point 8 assist player when he got the minutes last year. He's not worth $10M imo, but to harp on it as if it's a crazy albatross deal is stupid. Dragic for $10M a year doesn't even sniff some of the other deals given out recently.

Laundry Fields getting 3 years $20M is a lot dumber. Eric Gordon getting a max deal is WAY dumber.

I agree Fields is dumber, but that doesn't make this deal smart. Disagree with Gordon, because the max offer he got was not from his own team and while he is injured often - he has proven to have elite talent as a starter for multiple years.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I agree Fields is dumber, but that doesn't make this deal smart. Disagree with Gordon, because the max offer he got was not from his own team and while he is injured often - he has proven to have elite talent as a starter for multiple years.
He played 9 games last year :lol. For all the griping you did about Amare getting the max after a perfectly healthy year taking his team to the WCF, Eric Gordon getting a max deal after playing 9 games makes sense to you :lol. That's not a bias at all.

Dragic also has yet to get a $10M a year offer. His agent who's known as a crazy European hard ass asking for $10M a year doesn't mean it's gonna happen.

[DPG21920]

He played 9 games last year :lol. For all the griping you did about Amare getting the max after a perfectly healthy year taking his team to the WCF, Eric Gordon getting a max deal after playing 9 games makes sense to you :lol. That's not a bias at all.

Dragic also has yet to get a $10M a year offer. His agent who's known as a crazy European hard ass asking for $10M a year doesn't mean it's gonna happen.

Dude, what don't you understand about the difference in the size of amare's max offer and Gordon's? They aren't even close :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Dude, what don't you understand about the difference in the size of amare's max offer and Gordon's? They aren't even close :lol
:lol as if they should be? Amare is a much better player than Gordon. Commtting $100M to Amare is much smarter than committing $60M to Gordon.

[DPG21920]

Dragic also has yet to get a $10M a year offer. His agent who's known as a crazy European hard ass asking for $10M a year doesn't mean it's gonna happen.

Agreed, but that wasnt the point of what I said. I said that in theory, people acting like 10M for Goran isnt a little crazy surprised me. And I like Goran as a player.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Agreed, but that wasnt the point of what I said. I said that in theory, people acting like 10M for Goran isnt a little crazy surprised me. And I like Goran as a player.
You acting like it's THAT far away from the norm of what free agents are getting is what I don't get. It's pretty standard compared to what other players are getting.

Maybe if Goran played 9 games last year he'd get the max.

[DPG21920]

:lol as if they should be? Amare is a much better player than Gordon. Commtting $100M to Amare is much smarter than committing $60M to Gordon.

Ok. I never said they should be. I am stating facts. Me thinking 100M to Amare doesn't compare to 55M for Gordon isn't apples to apples and you are trying to use one argument where it is really not applicable.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol $55M to an undersized shooting guard who played 9 games last year and has never been in the playoffs

[DPG21920]

You acting like it's THAT far away from the norm of what free agents are getting is what I don't get. It's pretty standard compared to what other players are getting.

Maybe if Goran played 9 games last year he'd get the max.

Goran has started a whopping 36 games in his career and played an average of 19 MPG.

Gordon has started 190 games with a 35 MPG average (in the same time frame).

Yes, Goran was behind Nash - but that is kind of the point. Gordon, even with injuries is much more proven than Goran.

[DPG21920]

You keep saying "the max", the Suns offer is not the Max for Gordon. His "max" can only come from NO.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Goran has started a whopping 36 games in his career and played an average of 19 MPG.

Gordon has started 190 games with a 35 MPG average (in the same time frame).

Yes, Goran was behind Nash - but that is kind of the point. Gordon, even with injuries is much more proven than Goran.'
And I'm not saying Goran should be paid as much as Gordon....I'm saying Gordon getting close to $15M a year coming off the season he had (or didn't have :lol) is more ridiculous than Goran getting $10M a year after sustaining 18 and 8 as a starter for the 2nd half of last season. Contracts are always based off the prior season more than other seasons.

And the difference again is, one player has an offer, the other doesn't. I'm not sure why you expect people to gripe about Dragic getting $10M as crazy when no team is offering that yet.

[DPG21920]

:lol I am not expecting people to grip about a hypothetical offer. But on the flip side, if people are going to discuss the hypothetical offer, I was surprised to see most of the people have your attitude towards it.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You were surprised people aren't that alarmed by a hypothetical offer to Dragic for $10M a year right after people just saw Hibbert receive a max offer, Gordon receive a whatever-you-wanna-call-it-kind-of-max-offer from Phoenix after playing 9 games, Asik receiving an over $8M a year deal, and Nash receiving a $12M a year deal?

[DPG21920]

Yes.

Nash is an MVP and sells tickets. Bad for basketball, but sometimes stars get overpaid and that is not abnormal (even if it's stupid).

Gordon receiving 13.75M (I believe that is correct) after proving himself as a starter playing big minutes (35+ a game on average) and showing elite talent levels, while risky & probably dumb doesn't really fit the "wtf?" category. You keep saying "after playing 9 games..." - his one really bad year (not to mention most people know he prob wasn't thrilled about being traded to NO and was in no rush to get back since they were prob ok with losing) doesn't erase all the evidence from before - even if it raises red flags. Elite SG's that are young and somewhat proven get pretty nice contracts.

Hibbert and Asik fall into the "big man" category. Lots of stupid things historically done with big men and Hibbert again only received a quasi-max offer. He was pretty productive even if the talent pool is limited.

Comparing Dragic to Asik isn't really fair. Like I said - I could bring up a list of PG's much better and proven over Dragic (TP for example) and that is a much better argument.

Dragic doesn't fall into the "common mistake" groups that you normally see: Older star (name value) or Big Man (typically massively overpaid).

People were certainly "alarmed" when the reports about Asik getting 8M came out before it happend, but now because it actually did that mean Dragic at 10M is "well, with regards to what you see right now, it's really not so bad".

I don't get why this is such a stick issue for you with regards to my take on it? Is it because the Suns are possibly going to sign him for that much? The fact is, when you hear speculation and people comment about it on here, I was surprised that so many people were seemingly cool with Dragic at 10M possibly.

[LnGrrrR]

Does anyone have a comparison of point guard salaries/contracts at the moment? I know Rondo is making roughly 10/11 mil this year, but I'm sure once that contract is up he'll be looking at 14/16.

Edit: Some salaries (not sure how legit this page is)

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents



Point Guard
(name, team – 2012-13 salary – status)

Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers – $17.8 million – Unrestricted
John Wall, Washington Wizards – $5.9 million – Team Option ($6.7 million)
Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors – $4.0 million – Restricted ($5.3 million Qualifying Offer)
Kyrie Irving, Cleveland Cavaliers – $5.4 million – Team Option ($5.6 million)
Darren Collison, Indiana Pacers – $2.3 million – Restricted ($3.3 million Qualifying Offer)
Jrue Holiday, Philadelphia 76ers – $2.7 million – Restricted ($3.8 million Qualifying Offer)
Ty Lawson, Denver Nuggets – $2.5 million – Restricted ($3.6 million Qualifying Offer)
Brandon Jennings, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.2 million – Restricted ($4.3 million Qualifying Offer)
Ricky Rubio, Minnesota Timberwolves – $3.7 million – Team Option ($4.0 million)
Devin Harris, Utah Jazz – $8.5 million – Unrestricted
Kyle Lowry, Houston Rockets – $5.8 million – Team Option ($6.2 million)
Eric Bledsoe, L.A. Clippers – $1.7 million – Team Option ($2.6 million)
Jose Calderon, Toronto Raptors – $10.6 million – Unrestricted
Brandon Knight, Detroit Pistons – $2.7 million – Team Option ($2.8 million)
Jeff Teague, Atlanta Hawks – $2.4 million – Restricted ($3.5 million Qualifying Offer)
Roddy Beaubois, Dallas Mavericks – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.3 million Qualifying Offer)
Jarrett Jack, New Orleans Hornets – $5.4 million – Unrestricted
Beno Udrih, Milwaukee Bucks – $7.4 million – Unrestricted
Norris Cole, Miami HEAT – $1.1 million – Team Option ($1.1 million)
Eric Maynor, Oklahoma City Thunder – $2.3 million – Restricted ($3.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Mario Chalmers, Miami HEAT – $4.0 million – Team Option ($4.0 million)
Kemba Walker, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.5 million – Team Option ($2.6 million)
Greivis Vasquez, New Orleans Hornets – $1.2 million – Team Option ($2.2 million)
Reggie Jackson, Oklahoma City Thunder – $1.2 million – Team Option ($1.3 million)
Corey Joseph, San Antonio Spurs – $1.1 million – Team Option ($1.1 million)
Will Bynum, Detroit Pistons – $3.3 million – Unrestricted
Toney Douglas, New York Knicks – $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Nolan Smith, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.4 million – Team Option ($1.4 million)
Jeremy Pargo, Memphis Grizzlies – $1.0 million – Unrestricted*
Earl Watson, Utah Jazz – $2.0 million – Unrestricted
Sebastian Telfair, Phoenix Suns – $1.6 million – Unrestricted
Daniel Gibson, Cleveland Cavaliers – $4.8 million – Unrestricted
C.J. Watson, Chicago Bulls – $3.2 million – Unrestricted
Shaun Livingston, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.5 million – Unrestricted
Shelvin Mack, Washington Wizards – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Andrew Goudelock, L.A. Lakers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*


Given that Calderon is making 10 mil, and Devin Harris 8.5, I think Dragic at 10 per isn't that crazy.

Look at the 6 mil range DPG... do you think Dragic is on the same level as Beno Udrih (7.4 mil), Jarret Jack (5.4 mil) and worse than Devin Harris and Calderon?

[DPG21920]

Does anyone have a comparison of point guard salaries/contracts at the moment? I know Rondo is making roughly 10/11 mil this year, but I'm sure once that contract is up he'll be looking at 14/16.

Edit: Some salaries (not sure how legit this page is)

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents



Given that Calderon is making 10 mil, and Devin Harris 8.5, I think Dragic at 10 per isn't that crazy.

Look at the 6 mil range DPG... do you think Dragic is on the same level as Beno Udrih (7.4 mil), Jarret Jack (5.4 mil) and worse than Devin Harris and Calderon?

Both Calderon and Devin had some very solid starters years and probably got overpaid (Devin because he did it on a playoff team; Calderon because of a great ast/to ratio).

The fact is TP was much more proven and got 41M guaranteed and Rondo's first big jump has him making 11M. There is just no way IMO you can give a guy like Goran 10M and IMO it will not happen. I think 4/28M is solid and fair.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yes.

Nash is an MVP and sells tickets. Bad for basketball, but sometimes stars get overpaid and that is not abnormal (even if it's stupid).
Nash won MVP over 6 years ago....You're saying that's what justifies his contract :lmao

Hopefully this works out as well for Toronto as when they traded for Olajuwon 7 years after he won MVP.

:lol pretending 38 year olds have a history of getting abnormally big contracts because of something over 6 years ago


Gordon receiving 13.75M (I believe that is correct) after proving himself as a starter playing big minutes (35+ a game on average) and showing elite talent levels, while risky & probably dumb doesn't really fit the "wtf?" category.
Saying Eric Gordon shows elite talent levels is hyperbole. He's shown he's a scorer with mediocre efficiency and limited ability outside of scoring. He's also never done it on a team that doesn't suck.


You keep saying "after playing 9 games..." - his one really bad year (not to mention most people know he prob wasn't thrilled about being traded to NO and was in no rush to get back since they were prob ok with losing)
:lmao oh great, a player who finds reasons to miss games and pout whenever things don't go his way. Sounds like someone you'd wanna give a long term contract to.

The year before, he missed 26 games, and the year before that he missed 20. When a player that young is missing those games, it's certainly a red flag.


doesn't erase all the evidence from before - even if it raises red flags. Elite SG's that are young and somewhat proven get pretty nice contracts.
:lol Eric Gordon isn't an elite shooting guard. He has yet to make an All NBA team or even an all star game for that matter. "Elite" generally means all star or all NBA.


Hibbert and Asik fall into the "big man" category. Lots of stupid things historically done with big men and Hibbert again only received a quasi-max offer. He was pretty productive even if the talent pool is limited.
What things have historically happened with big men who average 5 points and 3 rebounds a game?


Comparing Dragic to Asik isn't really fair. Like I said - I could bring up a list of PG's much better and proven over Dragic (TP for example) and that is a much better argument.
I could bring up a list of C's much better and proven over Asik.


Dragic doesn't fall into the "common mistake" groups that you normally see: Older star (name value) or Big Man (typically massively overpaid).
How bout the common mistake group of "young player who showed flashes the last year of his rookie deal and gets paid for it"? Are you saying those players never get overpaid?


People were certainly "alarmed" when the reports about Asik getting 8M came out before it happend, but now because it actually did that mean Dragic at 10M is "well, with regards to what you see right now, it's really not so bad".
now you're getting it.


I don't get why this is such a stick issue for you with regards to my take on it? Is it because the Suns are possibly going to sign him for that much? The fact is, when you hear speculation and people comment about it on here, I was surprised that so many people were seemingly cool with Dragic at 10M possibly.
What I don't get is why Dragic asking for 10M is such a stick issue for you given other contracts being handed out.

I don't want the Suns giving Goran more than $8M a year. The fact they're interested has nothing to do with it, the fact you chose to single out Dragic when plenty of players with their own major issues are getting ridiculous deals is what I don't get.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The fact is TP was much more proven and got 41M guaranteed and Rondo's first big jump has him making 11M.
TP and Rondo are both bargain deals compared to other contracts PGs are getting (like Chimpbrook getting 5 years $80M).

[DPG21920]

Nash won MVP over 6 years ago....You're saying that's what justifies his contract :lmao

Hopefully this works out as well for Toronto as when they traded for Olajuwon 7 years after he won MVP.

:lol pretending 38 year olds have a history of getting abnormally big contracts because of something over 6 years ago

Where on Earth did I say it justified his contract. You are just making stuff up to argue now.


Saying Eric Gordon shows elite talent levels is hyperbole. He's shown he's a scorer with mediocre efficiency and limited ability outside of scoring. He's also never done it on a team that doesn't suck.


:lmao oh great, a player who finds reasons to miss games and pout whenever things don't go his way. Sounds like someone you'd wanna give a long term contract to.

The year before, he missed 26 games, and the year before that he missed 20. When a player that young is missing those games, it's certainly a red flag.


:lol Eric Gordon isn't an elite shooting guard. He has yet to make an All NBA team or even an all star game for that matter. "Elite" generally means all star or all NBA.

I never said he was an elite shooting guard. I said he showed elite potential. He's never played on a good team, he was drafted to a bad franchise. I also said there were red flags.

It's not hyperbole to say he's shown elite talent. His PER has increased every year to the point he was top 5 for all SG's this year (limited sample, top 7 last year). He was top 15 in the league in scoring last year too. I am not saying he is a star, or doesn't have a high usage rate - I am saying that for a young player to be able to come in and show that in his first couple years shows flashes of being elite.


What things have historically happened with big men who average 5 points and 3 rebounds a game?


I could bring up a list of C's much better and proven over Asik.

:lol Again, you are missing the point. The point is not arguing that it's justified, the point is arguing the norm. In the NBA - big men - for whatever reason (perceived potential, one good fluke year, athleticism....) tend to get wildly over paid.

You would also be correct in briging up other players compared to Asik, which is what I am doing to Dragic.

Same with older players with name power, even if their game doesn't match the salary.

Confidence issue guards that can't beat out fat Lowry and have barely started in their careers, typically do not.



How bout the common mistake group of "young player who showed flashes the last year of his rookie deal and gets paid for it"? Are you saying those players never get overpaid?

Sure they do - doesn't mean it's any less surprising to me when people think those are fair contracts :lol




What I don't get is why Dragic asking for 10M is such a stick issue for you given other contracts being handed out.

I don't want the Suns giving Goran more than $8M a year. The fact they're interested has nothing to do with it, the fact you chose to single out Dragic when plenty of players with their own major issues are getting ridiculous deals is what I don't get.

Dragic asking for it isn't an issue for me - it's people like you arguing that its not a bad contract if it happens.

:lmao Single out Goran. I ripped Asik too. You are just sensitive it appears because 1) You like Goran (me too) & 2) It's your team talking to him.

[DPG21920]

Just reported: If the Nets lost out on D-Will, they were going to offer White Magic 9M.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Where on Earth did I say it justified his contract. You are just making stuff up to argue now.
So giving 8 figure contracts to 38 year olds because they won an MVP over 6 years ago is the norm then? What is your point? You're acting like the scenario with Nash occurs regularly when it never happens with 38 year olds.


I never said he was an elite shooting guard. I said he showed elite potential. He's never played on a good team, he was drafted to a bad franchise. I also said there were red flags.
No, you said (or at the very least strongly implied) he was an elite shooting guard right here:

Elite SG's that are young and somewhat proven get pretty nice contracts.
Is he an elite SG or has he "shown flashes? Which is it?


It's not hyperbole to say he's shown elite talent. His PER has increased every year to the point he was top 5 for all SG's this year (limited sample, top 7 last year). He was top 15 in the league in scoring last year too. I am not saying he is a star, or doesn't have a high usage rate - I am saying that for a young player to be able to come in and show that in his first couple years shows flashes of being elite.
Over the 2nd half of last season Dragic showed flashes of "being elite", at least by your definition. Given the amount of total cap room teams have to throw at free agents this off season, a PG who averaged 18 and 8 as a starter for 28 games last year is gonna get paid.


:lol Again, you are missing the point. The point is not arguing that it's justified, the point is arguing the norm. In the NBA - big men - for whatever reason (perceived potential, one good fluke year, athleticism....) tend to get wildly over paid.
Big men who average 5 points and 3 boards getting the contract Asik got is the norm?


Same with older players with name power, even if their game doesn't match the salary.
38 year olds who have "name power" getting $12M a year is the norm?


Confidence issue guards that can't beat out fat Lowry and have barely started in their careers, typically do not.
When has Dragic had a confidence issue outside of Porter coaching him?

Look at Jeremy Lin as well, he's gonna get a contract close to 10M a year with an even smaller sample size. This off season, there's loads of cap room with limited talent. Teams are desperate.


Dragic asking for it isn't an issue for me - it's people like you arguing that its not a bad contract if it happens.
I said I wouldn't pay him more than 8 a year. I said 10M a year isn't really overpaying him that much given the contracts other players are getting.


:lmao Single out Goran. I ripped Asik too. You are just sensitive it appears because 1) You like Goran (me too) & 2) It's your team talking to him.
It's my team offering Eric Gordon the contract being mentioned, by this logic I'd be defending that contract as well when I think it's stupid. I think the Suns using long term cap room on Goran when he's not a franchise player isn't smart either, but it's different since Goran has been one of my favorite players since he's been in the NBA. Like Toronto signing Nash, the Suns signing Goran would definitely be a business decision to a large extent.

[DPG21920]

You don't like EG though, you like Dragic.

When I say "norm" I dont mean to imply it happens for everyone. I mean that in the NBA, generically speaking, it is commonly known that stars (or name power) often gets overpaid and the same goes for big men.

The key difference between the "flashes" Gordon has shown vs Dragic is the reliability of the date (number of games, minutes played) and actual tangible rankings (PER and PPG) with said sample size. Those are just two metrics, but overall you see the same picture.

Point is I think Dragic at 10M is ridiculous - if he turns out to be an ultra stud - then I am wrong. I think the other contracts mentioned are ridiculous too, but with the exception of Asik (who is still a young defensive big man) there are things in place to show that type of bad contract is more common.

You think it's not that bad if he gets that - we just disagree.

[LnGrrrR]

Does DWill's new contract change your mind Deep? :lol

[DPG21920]

No - while Dwill is not worth that much - he still a max player by NBA standards and an elite proven talent.

[Pero]

The only problem with Dragic getting that much is that he hasn't showed he can do what he did for half a season (or 1/3 if you account it was shortened) for an entire season.

But then, how can you offer Lin the same contract?

[DPG21920]

You don't, but all it takes is a few stupid people to do something stupid.

[Pelicans78]

No - while Dwill is not worth that much - he still a max player by NBA standards and an elite proven talent.

5 years 100 million is terrible IMO. He hasn't been a 20 mil per year player in 2-3 years. He's regressing, gained weight, and missing more games. He's not a 20 mil per year talent right now. If he was, the Nets wouldn't be as shitty as they have been with him. At the most, he's worth 12-13 million per season. At most.

That's why it was so dumb for Dallas to let Chandler go just to get Williams.

[Mel_13]

The Bobcats have been in touch with Dragic's agent and will be making an offer, league source says.

https://twitter.com/#!/KBergCBS

[DPG21920]

Suns sign Goran for 4 years, 34M.

[lefty]

So he is not getting 10 millions a year

Fail