blow it up

[monosylab1k]

You rolled the dice, Cuban, and it didn't work out. It was worth a shot. Oh well. Now man up and do the sensible thing. Trade Dirk, blow it up, and rebuild through the draft the next 5 years or so.

[DPG21920]

Mav fans, wrong about dem Mavs.

[crc21209]

Unstaaaaaaaaaacccckkkkeeed in a matter of hours....

[monosylab1k]

Not as wrong bout dem mavs as DPG tho :smokin

[DPG21920]

More wrong about them than DPG :hat

Wrong about years to come with triple d stackkkkkkkkkkkkked

[baseline bum]

Too bad next year's draft is a piece of shit like last year's.

[DPG21920]

But FA is great next year, especially if Dwight is in it. IMO, Dwight and Dirk (which can't happen this year because Mavs had 0 trade assets) is still worth it.

You can win with just those two if you build around them without another star IMO. The key is making sure Dwight doesn't re-sign with whomever he is traded to which seems less and less likely since we know its about the money and not winning (with the exception of a few million left on the table possibly). If he gets traded to LA or BKY, Dallas is done with regards to him.

But if you can land CP3 and Bynum to pair up with Dirk the next season?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Too bad next year's draft is a piece of shit like last year's.
Maybe depth wise it is, but Noels is just as much of a beast as Davis, and I can't remember a wing who's as NBA ready as Bazz is with as much potential. Them as a top 2 is pretty legit.

:lol the team that spends a top 5 pick on Cody Zeller

[djohn2oo8]

Alex Kennedy (http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA): The Dallas Mavericks are expected to turn their attention to Steve Nash. If they swing and miss on Nash, they'll take a look at Jeremy Lin. 1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/statuses/220301950065971200)

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1zbepungp

[DPG21920]

:lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The 2014 draft might be the best draft in years tho

[DPG21920]

Fun & Gun :cry

[monosylab1k]

Today definitively proved that Dallas cannot lure big name free agents. It's not happening. Not with Dwight or Paul.

With OKC and Miami around for the next few years, the Mavs aren't winning anything anyways. They need to blow it up, build a young roster through the draft, ride out the OKC/Miami years and then hopefully re-emerge in 5 years.

[DPG21920]

DoK - after all the rip jobs the Mav fans put on Lin, how funny would that be if he ended up there :lol

[monosylab1k]

What rip jobs?

[DPG21920]

Today definitively proved that Dallas cannot lure big name free agents. It's not happening. Not with Dwight or Paul.

With OKC and Miami around for the next few years, the Mavs aren't winning anything anyways. They need to blow it up, build a young roster through the draft, ride out the OKC/Miami years and then hopefully re-emerge in 5 years.

Dude, I know you're pissed, but Deron/Dwight was always a long shot. I was one of the only ones to consistently say this from the beginning. But you still have a shot at Dwight and if not, some other really good FA's.

Dallas can definitely contend if they are patient and can get someone there - but you run the risk of Dirk running out of time.

Funny though how Mav fans used to mock Spurs for not being able to draw FA and now they are saying the advantages they used to cite for their team are all out the window?

[DPG21920]

What rip jobs?

All the "he's an over hyped c***" and blah blah blah

[monosylab1k]

Who said that?

[TheMACHINE]

lol sacraficing the year after your championship for capspace and failed.

[jeebus]

Mavericks going retro with their old school 90s style team

[DPG21920]

Who said that?

Some Mav fans (not just Mav fans, many on here).

[monosylab1k]

I dunno, most Mavs fans i know were big Lin fans after his Summer League time here, and were pissed he took the GS contract.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

DoK - after all the rip jobs the Mav fans put on Lin, how funny would that be if he ended up there :lol
If Nash ends up in Dallas it would be funny just to say Gaycob1983 and Bullsfan1000 happy as shit while all the other Mavs fans are livid :lol

I'm still worried Sarver is meddling as we speak and giving Nash an offer he can't refuse :cry

[monosylab1k]

Not that we ever thought he would blow up like he did

[DPG21920]

If Nash ends up in Dallas it would be funny just to say Gaycob1983 and Bullsfan1000 happy as shit while all the other Mavs fans are livid :lol

I'm still worried Sarver is meddling as we speak and giving Nash an offer he can't refuse :cry

I thought Nash was offered 2/12 from the Suns?

[DPG21920]

I'm just saying Mono, that even though the master plan (Deron/Dwight) failed miserably, it's not time to panic. The FA crop next year is stellar. Just do the same thing - small one year deals to keep your cap space.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I thought Nash was offered 2/12 from the Suns?
He was. If Sarver stays out of it and lets Babby & Blanks stick to their guns, then Nash is gone.

My concern stems from what happened with Hill last summer. Babby & Blanks gave Hill a low-ball type offer but an offer that made sense given the position the Suns were in, Sarver heard about it and the other offers Hill was getting, so he went over their heads with an offer WAY above what Hill was getting.

I'm worried he's gonna do the same thing with Nash.

[m>s]

Today definitively proved that Dallas cannot lure big name free agents. It's not happening. Not with Dwight or Paul.

With OKC and Miami around for the next few years, the Mavs aren't winning anything anyways. They need to blow it up, build a young roster through the draft, ride out the OKC/Miami years and then hopefully re-emerge in 5 years.

you quit on your team in february 2011 and the team went on to win championship that year, and who the FUCK says DH to brooklyn is a done deal already? deron is also mull over options here so our Triple D hope remains alive

o ye of little faith

[DPG21920]

you quit on your team in february 2011 and the team went on to win championship that year, and who the FUCK says DH to brooklyn is a done deal already? deron is also mull over options here so our Triple D hope remains alive

o ye of little faith

So what you're saying is...........Mono was wrong about dem Mavs :hat

[Mel_13]

Mavs' PG priorities from here, sources say, are Nash and Jeremy Lin and re-signing J-Kidd. Team has not yet decided if it'll pursue Dragic

https://twitter.com/#!/ESPNSteinLine

[djohn2oo8]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Dallas is cautious about chasing Goran Dragic with a big offer, league source tells Y! Mavs aren't as high on him as Rockets, Suns, others.

[racm]

I'm just saying Mono, that even though the master plan (Deron/Dwight) failed miserably, it's not time to panic. The FA crop next year is stellar. Just do the same thing - small one year deals to keep your cap space.

Danny Ferry realized this before everyone else and traded JJ away for a bunch of expiring deals - and traded away Marvin Williams for Devin Harris' expiring contract.

[m>s]

would rather give roddy a bit more trust next season than overpay a yugoslavian fag

[DPG21920]

Woj just reported what I said - Dallas keeping Dwight in play for next year and trying to pair CP3 and DHO. That is possible, but still unlikely.

[Mel_13]

Woj just reported what I said - Dallas keeping Dwight in play for next year and trying to pair CP3 and DHO. That is possible, but still unlikely.

Unless the cap increases significantly, they won't be able to clear enough cap space for both. Just like there was never any way to clear enough cpace for both Williams and Howard.

[baseline bum]

Maybe depth wise it is, but Noels is just as much of a beast as Davis, and I can't remember a wing who's as NBA ready as Bazz is with as much potential. Them as a top 2 is pretty legit.

:lol the team that spends a top 5 pick on Cody Zeller

I have been watching Noel's games for a couple of years and I don't think he's close to the prospect Davis is. Noel is strictly a defensive player; he's a monster shotblocker and one of the best to come out in years in that area, but I have never seen anything out of him offensively.

I remember reading about pro scouts just killing this graduating class at the McDonald's All American game; how Muhammed was the only player who looked like he would belong on an NBA roster in a major role.

[DPG21920]

Unless the cap increases significantly, they won't be able to clear enough cap space for both. Just like there was never any way to clear enough cpace for both Williams and Howard.

Exactly - which is why I thought the original plan was stupid. To blow up a championship core team (in a shortened season) to chase something that could only happen if the players involved left significant money on the table (which doesn't really happen) was foolish.

This new scenario is possible, but its unlikely because not only would they have to dump players (that aren't that attractive), the incoming guys would need to take less since Dirk makes 20+M and they wont be trading for them.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I have been watching Noel's games for a couple of years and I don't think he's close to the prospect Davis is. Noel is strictly a defensive player; he's a monster shotblocker and one of the best to come out in years in that area, but I have never seen anything out of him offensively.

I remember reading about pro scouts just killing this graduating class at the McDonald's All American game; how Muhammed was the only player who looked like he would belong on an NBA roster in a major role.
So basically the Suns need to tank for the 1st pick or they're f:lolcked

[DPG21920]

IMO - Mavs need to try (and pray they have a chance) land Dwight and instead of another max guy, surround Dirk/Dwight with depth and value. You can definitely contend that way if Dirk and Dwight are healthy. But the risk/reward is still mind blowingly bad IMO.

[Mel_13]

Exactly - which is why I thought the original plan was stupid. To blow up a championship core team (in a shortened season) to chase something that could only happen if the players involved left significant money on the table (which doesn't really happen) was foolish.


:lol

Some Mav fans here got all pissed when I told them it was impossible for Dallas to clear enough space to offer max deals to both Williams and Howard. That plan was deeply flawed from the get go.

[DPG21920]

What was the strangest to me was Cuban's reaction to perceived risk/reward. Knowing that in order for his master plan to work he would need as much cap space as possible - he was still relying on best case scenario the two players leaving a lot of money on the table. He was ok with that risk and ruining a legit shot to repeat for that reward.

My original argument was that he could have very easily had his cake and eaten it to with less risk (because if you re-sign Tyson and replace the JJB's....you are still contending) by re-signing Tyson and still bringing in Delonte & Vince to replace JJB/Stevenson. He was not ok with the risk of having a long-term contract (Tyson), but in reality, he very well could have salary dumped the defensive player of the year :lol to get that cap space anyways while still being a legit contender.

Very strange logic.

[baseline bum]

So basically the Suns need to tank for the 1st pick or they're f:lolcked

Nah, they're probably f:lolcked either way. :lol

[baseline bum]

The 2014 draft might be the best draft in years tho

But DRob and Dwight have shown you can't build a title team around a guy who closes out on the screen leading with his bible. A well-timed elbow is worth 1000 lines of quoted scripture. Why's Jabrari gonna be any different?

[m>s]

IMO - Mavs need to try (and pray they have a chance) land Dwight and instead of another max guy, surround Dirk/Dwight with depth and value. You can definitely contend that way if Dirk and Dwight are healthy. But the risk/reward is still mind blowingly bad IMO.

doesn't seem like a huge upgrade over the 2011 champion squad but still that's probably the best scenario for us at this point of time. just build the team around DH/Dirk and hope some minimum players pan out superstar products (like dragic, jeremy lin etc...), hope cuban realizes that good defensive bigs don't grow on trees and how much of a mistake it was to let TC walk

[Budkin]

Howard for Dirk?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Gonhave to agree with tha bloaded Travolta on dis one.
If mavs organization has any respect for Dirk Ezekiel Nowitzki, dey best to trade him and rebuild tha right way.

[Pelicans78]

They should have blown it up after they let Chandler go.

[DMC]

Texas: where stars go to die

[Findog]

Today definitively proved that Dallas cannot lure big name free agents. It's not happening. Not with Dwight or Paul.

With OKC and Miami around for the next few years, the Mavs aren't winning anything anyways. They need to blow it up, build a young roster through the draft, ride out the OKC/Miami years and then hopefully re-emerge in 5 years.

They never had a chance at Deron Williams under the new CBA. If they could offer similar money I bet they could have gotten him, but you can't fault Williams for not leaving $25 million on the table.

Makes the decision to not resign Chandler even more mystifying. All we hear from Cuban is "I understand the CBA, you don't." Surely he understands then how difficult it is to lure players away from their old teams that are determined to keep them.

[Clipper Nation]

But if you can land CP3 and Bynum to pair up with Dirk the next season?
First off, if I were Dirk, I'd demand a trade right now... no sense wasting ANOTHER year in the twilight of his career chasing after more stars that probably won't come to Dallas... secondly, if I were a Mavfan, I'd hope Cuban was smart enough to realize this is his cue to start tanking...

[DeadlyDynasty]

blow the roof off this mothafucka like we did last night son, and hit ya wif da bop gun

[Fun n Gun]

Fun & Gun :cry

[TheRealCB]

Offer max to Hibbert and hope Indiana doesn't match,if they do,ask Dirk where he wants to be traded..

[m>s]

Offer max to Hibbert and hope Indiana doesn't match,if they do,ask Dirk where he wants to be traded..

dude's well worth the max and the starting salary would be something like 11m, which means we'll be able to sign another max player this summer with the space we have. Eric Gordon?

[TheRealCB]

dude's well worth the max and the starting salary would be something like 11m, which means we'll be able to sign another max player this summer with the space we have. Eric Gordon?

He has "signed" an offer sheet with the Suns...Hibbert is our only good option,instead of trading for Howard.

[baseline bum]

dude's well worth the max and the starting salary would be something like 11m, which means we'll be able to sign another max player this summer with the space we have. Eric Gordon?

Hibbert's max is somewhere between $13m and $14.5m starting.

[Mel_13]

Hibbert's max from Dallas would be 4yr/58M.

Coincidentally, that's the exact same amount that Tyson Chandler got from the Knicks.

[baseline bum]

never mind, lol

[Mel_13]

There's a technicality in the 2011 CBA that uses a smaller percentage of projected BRI for the salary cap when computing max deals, so that a "25% max salary" deal that would have started at $14.5 million instead started at $12.9 million last season.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16

This new CBA is full of little goodies like that to chip away at player salaries. :lol

Yeah, individual owners with cap space will still grossly overpay players lucky enough to be on the market at the right time, but the aggregate result of the 2011 CBA was a massive win for the owners as a group vis-a-vis the players as a group.

[DMC]

Hibbert's max from Dallas would be 4yr/58M.

Coincidentally, that's the exact same amount that Tyson Chandler got from the Knicks.
I'll never understand why Cuban let TC walk unless the other couple of guys who also left were part of the reason. The same Mavs roster probably makes it to the Finals again this year.

It's expensive to go twice if your best guys having expiring contracts after a ring.

[024]

mavs already blew it up...

[jag]

I can see Dirk being upset and wanting to be traded, but I don't see Cuban ever getting to the point where even considers that as an option.

[DPG21920]

Like I said, Dirk already quit - he'll show up out of shape and coast throughout the year and rightly so. He's find traveling the world all Summer with his 20M a year.

[TheRealCB]

Like I said, Dirk already quit - he'll show up out of shape and coast throughout the year and rightly so. He's find traveling the world all Summer with his 20M a year.
I would be mad at him if he was in a gym working out while Cuban and Donnie are shitting the bed.

Plus,if Dirk asks a trade,Dirk gets a trade.

[024]

manu + sjax for dirk. mavs can pursue their howard/cp3 combo next year.

[pass1st]

manu + sjax for dirk. mavs can pursue their howard/cp3 combo next year.

Why not throw B:lolnner in the deal

[024]

Why not throw B:lolnner in the deal
dirk + marion for manu/sjax/bonner works out perfectly. spurs add a few draft picks for dallas' trouble. just do it.

[pass1st]

dirk + marion for manu/sjax/bonner works out perfectly. spurs add a few draft picks for dallas' trouble. just do it.

Getting rid of Bonner is a pipe dream, tbh.

[50 cent]

Just amnesty Bonner's sorry ass.

[DPG21920]

Great read:

http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2011/12/a-mark-cuban-email-highlights-why-bird-covets-cap-space/


If this were the old CBA rules, we probably would have kept everyone together. But the rules changed.

If we were able to sign everyone to two-year deals, that would have possibly changed things as well, but that wasn’t in the cards either.

What you are missing is that it’s not about the luxury tax. It’s about the ability to improve our team going forward.

The reality is that in the new system, cap room will have far more value than it had in the past. I realize that everyone is all freaked out about how and where free agents and future free agents are going, but it’s not just about getting one guy.

We are not saving cap room in hope of that one super special free agent being there. It’s about being in the position to improve every year and possibly add some significant, younger players next year and in future years.

What I don’t think people understand is that once a team hits the tax level the ability to improve our team is reduced dramatically. In addition, your ability to make trades is reduced. So basically, if we made the move to keep everyone together with five-year deals, the team we have today is going to be the team we have for the next five years. If we were a young team it would be one thing. But we are not a young team.

In the past, it was different. If we had a problem, I could fix any mistake by having Donnie find a trade and just taking on more money. That is how we got Jet, the Matrix, JKidd, Tyson. It was always about taking on more money. That trick doesn’t work any more for teams over the tax. So we have to change our approach. By getting back under the cap, we have a ton of flexibility not only for free agent signings but also trades. If we can get the right guy(s) via free agency, great. if we do it via trade, great. We have that much more flexibility to make moves.

Again, I know this is tough for all of us after winning a championship. But we still believe as much as last year we are in a position to compete for a championship.

The difference is that with this approach, we can be in a position to compete for a championship this year and to reload and continue to compete in future years.

By just signing everyone to long-term deals, there is no chance of that happening.

We won last year because we put ourselves in a position to create opportunities that brought us the right players at the right time.

We structured contracts in ways that gave us upside. The rules are different now, and while it makes it tougher this year because of the affection we have for many of the guys that are leaving, if we want the Mavs to be able to compete for championships in future years as well, it’s a hard decision, but I believe the right decision.

[Fenix]

offer brook lopez the max

[tesseractive]

Great read:

http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2011/12/a-mark-cuban-email-highlights-why-bird-covets-cap-space/

Translation: our front office has been a one trick pony specializing in getting assets by bloating our cap. Now that the NBA took that trick away, we're fucked, and we don't have the slightest idea how to get any players. :lol

[Findog]

Translation: our front office has been a one trick pony specializing in getting assets by bloating our cap. Now that the NBA took that trick away, we're fucked, and we don't have the slightest idea how to get any players. :lol

Is Donnie Nelson a good GM?

Name one value pick he's made besides Josh Howard.

What premier FAs has he lured to Dallas? Maybe Shawn Marion, and even then they had to give him a 5-year deal that nobody else would.

His one great trade (Tyson Chandler) was an accident because they struck out on other targets and they wanted to kick the can down the road by getting an expiring contract for Damp's expired deal.

Of the three teams that dominated the 00's (Lakers, Spurs, Mavs), only the Mavs didn't win multiple titles precisely because they consistently failed to surround Dirk with the proper supporting cast.

[tesseractive]

Is Donnie Nelson a good GM?

Name one value pick he's made besides Josh Howard.

What premier FAs has he lured to Dallas? Maybe Shawn Marion, and even then they had to give him a 5-year deal that nobody else would.

His one great trade (Tyson Chandler) was an accident because they struck out on other targets and they wanted to kick the can down the road by getting an expiring contract for Damp's expired deal.

Of the three teams that dominated the 00's (Lakers, Spurs, Mavs), only the Mavs didn't win multiple titles precisely because they consistently failed to surround Dirk with the proper supporting cast.
Meh, good GMs put themselves in a position to be lucky.

It's not obvious to me that Dirk is fundamentally a better talent than, say, KG. The Mavs were much better at putting talent around Dirk than the Timberwolves were with KG. And other teams like Orlando with Howard and Cleveland with LeBron have also been incapable of putting a good enough team around a franchise guy.

Losing Chandler last year was a disaster (as everyone has realized here), and this offseason looks like a complete clusterfuck so far. But even taking that into account, I'd say Nelson is one of the better GMs in the league. No, he's not an elite drafter, but very few teams are. Up until this year, he's pretty much kept reloading the Mavs to keep them in the hunt every year -- that's absolutely a hallmark of a good GM.

[LkrFan]

Hibbert's max from Dallas would be 4yr/58M.

Coincidentally, that's the exact same amount that Tyson Chandler got from the Knicks.

:rollin :lmao :rollin

Let's see...


Mark Cuban is part of the ownership contingent that complained loudly about the CP3 to LA deal. Trade gets vetoed.

Mavs sign & trade Tyson Chandler to the Knicks and get a 1st round pick & a trade exception.

Mavs trade that trade exception & a 1st Round pick to the Lakers for Lamar Odom.

Mark Cuban brags about stealing Odom from the Lakers.

Odom tanks in Dallas.

Lakers trade 1st Round pick to Cleveland for Razor Ramon Sessions.

Knicks and Mavericks try very hard to land Nash, but the Lakers end up doing it with the trade exception that passed through both of their hands.

The Knicks end up with Jason Kidd from Dallas.

The Mavs are trying to get the Lakers' sloppy seconds: Razor Ramon Sessions

The Lakers end up with Steve Nash.

:rollin :lmao :rollin

[tesseractive]

Mark Cuban is part of the ownership contingent that complained loudly about the CP3 to LA deal. Trade gets vetoed.

...

The Lakers end up with Steve Nash.

Wait. You think Steve Nash is a good substitute for CP3?

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[djohn2oo8]

Wait. You think Steve Nash is a good substitute for CP3?

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao
:lol

[LkrFan]

Wait. You think Steve Nash is a good substitute for CP3?

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

Yes. To get CP, we'd have to break up our twin towers (our biggest advantage). To get Nash, we gave up draft picks we wouldn't use anyway and gave up a paltry $3M.

Our bigs will flourish playing with Nash. Kobe will get easier looks with Nash. A Nash PNR with Pau will be deadly. Bynum will shoot 60% with Nash. Our offense won't stank with Nash.

Am I saying Nash is better than CP? Hell no. What I am saying is Nash/Kobe/Pau/Bynum is > CP/Kobe/Bynum. We filled a major hole with a HOF PG without gutting our team. That's huge.

[dav4463]

If the mavs win 15-20 games next year, watch how fast mav fans disappear on this board!

[mavs>spurs]

we won't be here to talk bsketball i'll tell you that :lol

Trollabonanza

[Latarian Milton]

If the mavs win 15-20 games next year, watch how fast mav fans disappear on this board!

mono and me would remain here posting under troll accounts though, mono got multiple thunder trolls and i have this :lol