Lakers S&T for nash blocked by owner

[Fenix]

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/220571109437870081

Sources briefed on talks say Lakers' reported S-and-T push for Nash blocked to date by Suns brass. Can't stomach dealing him to old rival

lmao

[Dunc n Dave]

Lakers burnin bridges, per the usual....

No one wants to deal with them; well, except the Logo...

[DMC]

Nash doesn't want to play with Kobe. No one does.

"Oh yeah, goin' to the Lakers, goin' to help fortify Kobe and help propagate the fallacy that Kobe is right there with Michael"

[Killakobe81]

Lakers burnin bridges, per the usual....

No one wants to deal with them; well, except the Logo...

Fine by me, wasn't gonna make us title contenders and our defense would still suck at PG

[Trainwreck2100]

Lakers defense already sucks at PG

[pass1st]

Lakers burnin bridges, per the usual....

No one wants to deal with them; well, except the Logo...

LAL is the preferred destination of many players and the franchise is rich. If a team has something LAL wants, they will get talks on 9/10 times.

[Dunc n Dave]

Fine by me, wasn't gonna make us title contenders and our defense would still suck at PG

True. Nash would make Fisher's D look like ALL WORLD. And don't worry, killa. The Spurs have been getting the same cock blocking treatment from teams like Portland and Dallas for years now.

[Dunc n Dave]

LAL is the preferred destination of many players and the franchise is rich. If a team has something LAL wants, they will get talks on 9/10 times.

Players: yes. Other front offices preferring to trade with L.A? No...

Call it penis envy, jealousy, whatever. No opposing GM wants to be the next team to help propel the NBA's richest team back into contention, so they are scared to pull the trigger on any trade involving the Lakers.

[pass1st]

Players: yes. Other front offices preferring to trade with L.A? No...

Call it penis envy, jealousy, whatever. No opposing GM wants to be the next team to help propel the NBA's richest team back into contention, so they are scared to pull the trigger on any trade involving the Lakers.

That would be true if fans ran the teams :lol

The trigger was already pulled when NO was sending us CP3 with the Rocket's help. If Stern didn't step in, we would see CP3 playing for LA team #1 instead of #2.

By your logic, the trade would never have even been discussed. Fact of the matter is, teams will deal with LA because LA has the resources to take shitty contracts and offer good pieces.

We're talking about business here, not fantasy basketball teams.

[K-State Spur]

NOH trade was being allowed by commish who once said ideal Finals was Lakers v Lakers. Seems to be it was owners who stepped in and blocked it, providing evidence for previous poster's point.

[pass1st]

NOH trade was being allowed by commish who once said ideal Finals was Lakers v Lakers. Seems to be it was owners who stepped in and blocked it, providing evidence for previous poster's point.

Lakers vs Lakers would be pretty damn interesting :lol

[Dunc n Dave]

That would be true if fans ran the teams :lol

The trigger was already pulled when NO was sending us CP3 with the Rocket's help. If Stern didn't step in, we would see CP3 playing for LA team #1 instead of #2.

By your logic, the trade would never have even been discussed. Fact of the matter is, teams will deal with LA because LA has the resources to take shitty contracts and offer good pieces.

We're talking about business here, not fantasy basketball teams.

Stern stepped in on behalf of the small market owners crying foul about the trade. Hence my point, GMs and owners don't want to help the Lakers.

The CP3 deal was about Kevin McHale's obssession with getting a scoring bigman, and Dell Demps was going to rape the Rockets in that deal. But that wasn't what caused the owners to cry foul. It was seeing CP3, Kobe, and Bynum together in the same uniform that caused them to demand Stern step in. No one cared that the Hornets were getting away with robbery; only what the Lakers were doing.

[pass1st]

Stern stepped in on behalf of the small market owners crying foul about the trade. Hence my point, GMs and owners don't want to help the Lakers.

The CP3 deal was about Kevin McHale's obssession with getting a scoring bigman, and Dell Demps was going to rape the Rockets in that deal. But that wasn't what caused the owners to cry foul. It was seeing CP3, Kobe, and Bynum together in the same uniform that caused them to demand Stern step in. No one cared that the Hornets were getting away with robbery; only what the Lakers were doing.

Stern blocking the trade has nothing to do with the fact that it was the Lakers, you're really stretching it to say all these small market teams hate the Lakers.

The situation was that the lockout just ended and CP3 was the first blockbuster trading piece. Small market teams were already having trouble getting FAs and arguably the best PG in the league wanted to go to the biggest market team. This would have been a bad beginning for the small market teams because it would just further enforce the futility of their existence.

Sending CP3 to a lesser team, the Clippers, just made them settle down. If CP3 was going to Knicks or Bulls (let's just assume rose didn't exist), then the small markets would still complain.

The league doesn't hate the Lakers, just fans of other teams do. Spurfans making up a good chunk of that, if I might add.

[Dunc n Dave]

Stern blocking the trade has nothing to do with the fact that it was the Lakers, you're really stretching it to say all these small market teams hate the Lakers.

The situation was that the lockout just ended and CP3 was the first blockbuster trading piece. Small market teams were already having trouble getting FAs and arguably the best PG in the league wanted to go to the biggest market team. This would have been a bad beginning for the small market teams because it would just further enforce the futility of their existence.

Sending CP3 to a lesser team, the Clippers, just made them settle down. If CP3 was going to Knicks or Bulls (let's just assume rose didn't exist), then the small markets would still complain.

The league doesn't hate the Lakers, just fans of other teams do. Spurfans making up a good chunk of that, if I might add.

You basically just reiterated what I posted.

One of the main arguments among owners during the lockout was the gap between big and small market teams. "The rich get richer" so to speak (see Gasol to the Lakers in 2008 for crap and the complaints it caused around the league). Owners also wanted to put a stop to stars in small markets forcing their way into larger markets (whether it be free agency or demanding a trade to a certain team) to form super teams like the Heat and like Melo did to get to New York with Amare.

Then the first thing that happens after the lockout is CP3 to the Lakers (Kobe, CP3, Bynum). The other owners understandibly complained (led by Mark Cuban, of all people) seeing as this was the very thing they were trying to keep from happening and Stern relented and vetoed the trade on their behalf. (IE: It was the OWNERS, not Stern who wanted the trade voided)

You really think there would have been a complaint from owners if it had been CP3 to Memphis or Portland? Nope. It was the fact that the league's top PG was going to the richest team that already had 2 of the top 3-5 players at their respective position that caused them to complain.

IE: It was all about keeping the Lakers from pulling another 2008 Gasol trade.
(Kwame Brown flipped for Pau Gasol and 2 titles-----Gasol and Odom flipped for the league's Top PG)

Remember after the veto, Stern said the Lakers had to "give up more" in the trade if they wanted it accepted (as if their 2nd and 4th best player wasn't giving up enough). That's because the owners insisted that the Lakers lose Bynum AND Gasol if they were gonna get CP3.

Why? Because they didn't want to see a Kobe-CP3--Bynum "Big Three" in L.A. Again I say, it was all about blocking the Lakers from upgrading their Big Three.

[Koolaid_Man]

Nash doesn't want to play with Kobe. No one does.

"Oh yeah, goin' to the Lakers, goin' to help fortify Kobe and help propagate the fallacy that Kobe is right there with Michael"


:lol at the notion that a loser doesn't want to play with a winner :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

Lakers burnin bridges, per the usual....

No one wants to deal with them; well, except the Logo...


Listen it's an opportunity for Nash don't get it twisted...If Kobe never rings again it's eternally

Kobe 5

Nash 0

it's also immortalized in pictures :lol

Kobe is only looking for glue guys at this point...that's why he denigrated Dwights skills as similiar to Tyson Chandler - Kobe don't give a fuck he knows he's destined to win 7 chips...

sit back and relax son

[pass1st]

You basically just reiterated what I posted.

One of the main arguments among owners during the lockout was the gap between big and small market teams. "The rich get richer" so to speak (see Gasol to the Lakers in 2008 for crap and the complaints it caused around the league). Owners also wanted to put a stop to stars in small markets forcing their way into larger markets (whether it be free agency or demanding a trade to a certain team) to form super teams like the Heat and like Melo did to get to New York with Amare.

Then the first thing that happens after the lockout is CP3 to the Lakers (Kobe, CP3, Bynum). The other owners understandibly complained (led by Mark Cuban, of all people) seeing as this was the very thing they were trying to keep from happening and Stern relented and vetoed the trade on their behalf. (IE: It was the OWNERS, not Stern who wanted the trade voided)

You really think there would have been a complaint from owners if it had been CP3 to Memphis or Portland? Nope. It was the fact that the league's top PG was going to the richest team that already had 2 of the top 3-5 players at their respective position that caused them to complain.

IE: It was all about keeping the Lakers from pulling another 2008 Gasol trade.
(Kwame Brown flipped for Pau Gasol and 2 titles-----Gasol and Odom flipped for the league's Top PG)

Remember after the veto, Stern said the Lakers had to "give up more" in the trade if they wanted it accepted (as if their 2nd and 4th best player wasn't giving up enough). That's because the owners insisted that the Lakers lose Bynum AND Gasol if they were gonna get CP3.

Why? Because they didn't want to see a Kobe-CP3--Bynum "Big Three" in L.A. Again I say, it was all about blocking the Lakers from upgrading their Big Three.

Not in the least.

The small market teams didn't care about COMPETING as much as they did in making a PROFIT. How many teams in the NBA turned a profit that year? Right. Lakers didn't have to give up more players for CP3, they had to give up more money one way or another. In the post-lockout, the trade was seen as a steal for both sides when small market teams saw that Lakers should have a greater financial burden placed on them by the logic that they could afford it. They knew the team was planning to get CP3 + D12 for basically the same price Bynum + Gasol was costing them. It had nothing to do with jealousy, they feared the same problems would come back that added to the lock out talks in the first place.

You said, in the beginning, teams don't want to deal with the Lakers. The CP3 debacle doesn't prove that in the least. If Cavs were shipping out CP3, Lakers would be their 1st choice as well because it's the best possible deal they could get. All it proves is that small market teams are scared shitless that they will be completely irrelevant if all the FAs went to big markets.

Yet, there is a catch-22 here: The only choice besides the FA market they have is rebuilding through the draft (long and possibly expensive process that is rarely successful) or dealing with the big dogs. The teams WANT to deal with Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, etc because they have what they want: Pieces and resources to deal with bad contracts.

Nothing you said specifically backs up teams not wanting to deal with Lakers. It merely says they don't want to be left out of the food bowl when one of the big dogs comes to eat. You know that small market teams want to be able to ship their problems away and history has shown Lakers are one of the best teams to negotiate that with.

[LkrFan]

Lakers burnin bridges, per the usual....

No one wants to deal with them; well, except the Logo...

What an incoherent, ignorant, idiotic post. Well played sir. :toast

[LkrFan]

That would be true if fans ran the teams :lol

The trigger was already pulled when NO was sending us CP3 with the Rocket's help. If Stern didn't step in, we would see CP3 playing for LA team #1 instead of #2.

By your logic, the trade would never have even been discussed. Fact of the matter is, teams will deal with LA because LA has the resources to take shitty contracts and offer good pieces.

We're talking about business here, not fantasy basketball teams.

Pass with the educational goods. :tu

[LkrFan]

Stern blocking the trade has nothing to do with the fact that it was the Lakers, you're really stretching it to say all these small market teams hate the Lakers.

The situation was that the lockout just ended and CP3 was the first blockbuster trading piece. Small market teams were already having trouble getting FAs and arguably the best PG in the league wanted to go to the biggest market team. This would have been a bad beginning for the small market teams because it would just further enforce the futility of their existence.

Sending CP3 to a lesser team, the Clippers, just made them settle down. If CP3 was going to Knicks or Bulls (let's just assume rose didn't exist), then the small markets would still complain.

The league doesn't hate the Lakers, just fans of other teams do. Spurfans making up a good chunk of that, if I might add.

Pass "kicking ass" 1st is your new screen name. Stop messing with the cowtipper like det. :lol

[LkrFan]

Not in the least.

The small market teams didn't care about COMPETING as much as they did in making a PROFIT. How many teams in the NBA turned a profit that year? Right. Lakers didn't have to give up more players for CP3, they had to give up more money one way or another. In the post-lockout, the trade was seen as a steal for both sides when small market teams saw that Lakers should have a greater financial burden placed on them by the logic that they could afford it. They knew the team was planning to get CP3 + D12 for basically the same price Bynum + Gasol was costing them. It had nothing to do with jealousy, they feared the same problems would come back that added to the lock out talks in the first place.

You said, in the beginning, teams don't want to deal with the Lakers. The CP3 debacle doesn't prove that in the least. If Cavs were shipping out CP3, Lakers would be their 1st choice as well because it's the best possible deal they could get. All it proves is that small market teams are scared shitless that they will be completely irrelevant if all the FAs went to big markets.

Yet, there is a catch-22 here: The only choice besides the FA market they have is rebuilding through the draft (long and possibly expensive process that is rarely successful) or dealing with the big dogs. The teams WANT to deal with Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, etc because they have what they want: Pieces and resources to deal with bad contracts.

Nothing you said specifically backs up teams not wanting to deal with Lakers. It merely says they don't want to be left out of the food bowl when one of the big dogs comes to eat. You know that small market teams want to be able to ship their problems away and history has shown Lakers are one of the best teams to negotiate that with.

Somebody bold pass1st for this post alone. GNSF in denial. This post should have its own stickied thread. It will be interesting to see cowtipper tries to :downspin: ^ shit.

Good shit pass. I concur 100% son. :tu

[Clipper Nation]

So is Sarver rigging the league now, Lakerfans? I'm just trying to make sure I'm up on the latest butthurt anti-Laker conspiracy theories, tbh...

[Trainwreck2100]

Lakers trade got blocked cause the owners who owned the team were going to lose luxury money, and told Stern to shove it. Seriously the Hornets were costing them money already why would they want to lose more? The idea that teams don't want to deal with LA is equally stupid, they had two trades before the deadline last year. However, Odom's antics may lead teams to question which players they want from LA since he turned into an albatross. Lakers main weakness is they haven't drafted for shit, sans Bynum, so they have zero young trade assets.

[Clipper Nation]

Also, let's not kid ourselves here... Odom and Scola was a crap return for CP3, and they wouldn't have helped the Hornets rebuild and get sold to a new owner... Clippers gave up more for CP3, so we deserve to have him, tbh...

Get over it, Lakerfans, and just be glad you got away with the Pau Gasol robbery...

[LkrFan]

So is Sarver rigging the league now, Lakerfans? I'm just trying to make sure I'm up on the latest butthurt anti-Laker conspiracy theories, tbh...

:rollin

[Dunc n Dave]

Not in the least.

The small market teams didn't care about COMPETING as much as they did in making a PROFIT. How many teams in the NBA turned a profit that year? Right.
I'll give you that they were most definitely concerned about making a profit (revenue sharing was a hot topic during negotiations). But that still doesn't change the fact they owners were upset about the LAKERS side of the CP3 deal, not the Hornets.

Lakers didn't have to give up more players for CP3, they had to give up more money one way or another. In the post-lockout, the trade was seen as a steal for both sides when small market teams saw that Lakers should have a greater financial burden placed on them by the logic that they could afford it. They knew the team was planning to get CP3 + D12 for basically the same price Bynum + Gasol was costing them. It had nothing to do with jealousy, they feared the same problems would come back that added to the lock out talks in the first place.

Now you're the one really reaching. Never did Stern say anything about the Lakers giving up more money to get the deal done. The owners (who all had a stake in the Hornets at the time) wanted Stern to tell the Lakers they had to include Bynum AND Gasol in the deal if they wanted the league's blessing on CP3 to L.A. This was about stopping another SUPER FRIENDS from happening, whether it be CP3/Kobe/Bynum or later on: CP3/Kobe/Howard. All the owners knew the Magic were considering a Bynum for Howard swap along with this trade, and the Lakers not losing Bynum in the CP3 deal left the door open for the Lakers to get the best PG AND the best center to pair with Kobe. The other owners were not gonna allow that to happen and have the Heat vs Lakers in the 5 NBA Finals. In other words, they were worried about competitive balance....

Here's an article from Yahoo last year:
“NBA commissioner David Stern has killed the New Orleans Hornets’ trade of Chris Paul after several owners complained about the league-owned team dealing the All-Star point guard to the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. Some owners pushed Stern to demand that trade be nullified, and the Hornets be made to keep Paul on the roster for the foreseeable future, sources said. Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban was one of the most vocal in a chorus of owners irate with the belief that the five-month lockout had happened largely to stop big-market teams from leveraging small-market teams for star players pending free agency. All the players involved in the trade have been told to report to their teams for the start of training camp on Friday. Before Stern intervened, the Lakers had reached an agreement to acquire Paul in a three-team trade that would have cost them Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. Under terms of the deal, the Lakers would have sent Gasol to the Rockets. The Hornets would have received Odom, Rockets guards Kevin Martin and Goran Dragic and forward Luis Scola, league sources said.”

Or how about this letter from Cleveland owner dan Gilbert:


I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn't appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. [...]

I just don't see how we can allow this trade to happen.

I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.

When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?




You said, in the beginning, teams don't want to deal with the Lakers. The CP3 debacle doesn't prove that in the least. If Cavs were shipping out CP3, Lakers would be their 1st choice as well because it's the best possible deal they could get. All it proves is that small market teams are scared shitless that they will be completely irrelevant if all the FAs went to big markets.

Yet, there is a catch-22 here: The only choice besides the FA market they have is rebuilding through the draft (long and possibly expensive process that is rarely successful) or dealing with the big dogs. The teams WANT to deal with Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, etc because they have what they want: Pieces and resources to deal with bad contracts.


Don't take every troll statement so literally, pass. Of course teams WILL deal with the Lakers (especially if they need to get rid of bad contracts since they have the highest payroll and could care less about luxury taxes with their new TV contract), but the point of the matter is most teams in the league are hesitant to deal good players to them with their history of lopsided deals, and now the CP3 trade/potential Howard trade adding to that history. Since the Lakers are the perfect example of the lack of competitive balance in the league, owners (who have the final say on any deal their GMs make) don't want to help the Lakers continue contending by trading All Stars to them. Despite where their star players may want to play, no way the Suns are gonna help the Lakers with a sign & trade; likewise for the Spurs, Portland, Boston, etc. It's not just the Spurs or their fans that don't like to deal with the Lakers. They are the EVIL EMPIRE of the NBA, whether you want to admit it or not.

EDIT: I stand corrected! The Suns are idiots if the recent news is true!

[Dunc n Dave]

Somebody bold pass1st for this post alone. GNSF in denial. This post should have its own stickied thread. It will be interesting to see cowtipper tries to :downspin: ^ shit.

Good shit pass. I concur 100% son. :tu

LkrFan coming in and slobbin the knobs of fellow Laker fans, while adding NOTHING to the conversation, par for the course.... :toast

[LkrFan]

LkrFan coming in and slobbin the knobs of fellow Laker fans, while adding NOTHING to the conversation, par for the course.... :toast

He doesn't need any help tbh. He's doing a fine job of kicking your ass by himself. Why should I pile on? :downspin:

[pass1st]

I'll give you that they were most definitely concerned about making a profit (revenue sharing was a hot topic during negotiations). But that still doesn't change the fact they owners were upset about the LAKERS side of the CP3 deal, not the Hornets.
Now you're the one really reaching. Never did Stern say anything about the Lakers giving up more money to get the deal done. The owners (who all had a stake in the Hornets at the time) wanted Stern to tell the Lakers they had to include Bynum AND Gasol in the deal if they wanted the league's blessing on CP3 to L.A. This was about stopping another SUPER FRIENDS from happening, whether it be CP3/Kobe/Bynum or later on: CP3/Kobe/Howard. All the owners knew the Magic were considering a Bynum for Howard swap along with this trade, and the Lakers not losing Bynum in the CP3 deal left the door open for the Lakers to get the best PG AND the best center to pair with Kobe. The other owners were not gonna allow that to happen and have the Heat vs Lakers in the 5 NBA Finals. In other words, they were worried about competitive balance....

Here's an article from Yahoo last year:
“NBA commissioner David Stern has killed the New Orleans Hornets’ trade of Chris Paul after several owners complained about the league-owned team dealing the All-Star point guard to the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. Some owners pushed Stern to demand that trade be nullified, and the Hornets be made to keep Paul on the roster for the foreseeable future, sources said. Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban was one of the most vocal in a chorus of owners irate with the belief that the five-month lockout had happened largely to stop big-market teams from leveraging small-market teams for star players pending free agency. All the players involved in the trade have been told to report to their teams for the start of training camp on Friday. Before Stern intervened, the Lakers had reached an agreement to acquire Paul in a three-team trade that would have cost them Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. Under terms of the deal, the Lakers would have sent Gasol to the Rockets. The Hornets would have received Odom, Rockets guards Kevin Martin and Goran Dragic and forward Luis Scola, league sources said.”

Or how about this letter from Cleveland owner dan Gilbert:


I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn't appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. [...]

I just don't see how we can allow this trade to happen.

I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.

When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?




Don't take every troll statement so literally, pass. Of course teams WILL deal with the Lakers (especially if they need to get rid of bad contracts since they have the highest payroll and could care less about luxury taxes with their new TV contract), but the point of the matter is most teams in the league are hesitant to deal good players to them with their history of lopsided deals, and now the CP3 trade/potential Howard trade adding to that history. Since the Lakers are the perfect example of the lack of competitive balance in the league, owners (who have the final say on any deal their GMs make) don't want to help the Lakers continue contending by trading All Stars to them. Despite where their star players may want to play, no way the Suns are gonna help the Lakers with a sign & trade; likewise for the Spurs, Portland, Boston, etc. It's not just the Spurs or their fans that don't like to deal with the Lakers. They are the EVIL EMPIRE of the NBA, whether you want to admit it or not.

EDIT: I stand corrected! The Suns are idiots if the recent news is true!

Stern doesn't have to say it because it was the sentiment around the league's small market teams. You can go back and ready Gilbert's retarded email for a sample of what the teams against the trade were feeling. He wasn't worried as much about them getting D12 as he was about Lakers not spending much at all in the process. Including Bynum wasn't the point of them not wanting to trade, it was the fact that Lakers were likely going to lower their expenditures if the trades went in their favor (which seemed that way before the veto). This wasn't a matter of Lakers being stacked, it was a matter of them being stacked and still looking good from a financial perspective. It's no coincidence that around this time talks of revenue sharing started to peek out of the media.

Not only WILL they deal with the Lakers, but they WANT to deal with them. As we seen today, your initial statements aren't really valid. Teams will put Lakers on their priority list if they have something they want.

That being said, I'm not happy we acquired Nash.

[TheMACHINE]

lol at this thread

[Dunc n Dave]

Stern doesn't have to say it because it was the sentiment around the league's small market teams. You can go back and ready Gilbert's retarded email for a sample of what the teams against the trade were feeling. He wasn't worried as much about them getting D12 as he was about Lakers not spending much at all in the process. Including Bynum wasn't the point of them not wanting to trade, it was the fact that Lakers were likely going to lower their expenditures if the trades went in their favor (which seemed that way before the veto). This wasn't a matter of Lakers being stacked, it was a matter of them being stacked and still looking good from a financial perspective. It's no coincidence that around this time talks of revenue sharing started to peek out of the media.

Not only WILL they deal with the Lakers, but they WANT to deal with them. As we seen today, your initial statements aren't really valid. Teams will put Lakers on their priority list if they have something they want.

That being said, I'm not happy we acquired Nash.

The lakers cutting payroll was only part of the equation. There are NUMEROUS reports of owners upset about the Lakers preparing to stack their team with CP3 and Howard at the expense of small market teams like NO and Orlando being left with scraps to rebuild with. If anyone knows how that feels, it's Dan Gilbert ("The Decision" causing the Cavs to go from first to worst), so you can bet there was more to his anger than the Cavs missing out on some of the Lakers luxury tax money.

Today's events were another example of free agents still holding their small market teams hostage, and I don't know if there will ever be a way to stop it. The Suns stood to get a better package from the Knicks until they pulled Shumpert off the table.

When Nash finally decided he wanted to play close to home in L.A., there was nothing Phoenix could do but take the Lakers scraps (crappy late 1st rounders), or let him walk for nothing. Hopefully Phoenix can get someone useful before the deadline from the trade exception, so it won't be a total loss.

I'll give Mitch K credit for creating that Odom trade exception. It paid off for him once Nash decided the Lakers was where he wanted to go.

I also agree Nash on the Lakers isn't necessarily a good thing for them. Scoring was never an issue for them. Mike Brown is gonna wish he had hair to pull out while watching Nash get torched defensively.

[cd98]

Suns had plenty of chances to trade holim last season to get better value.

[Dunc n Dave]

Suns had plenty of chances to trade holim last season to get better value.

No one wanted him last year without a long term commitment, which he was unwilling to give. Besides, he led PHX to believe he was gonna re-up with them and stay 1-2 more years.

[LkrFan]

No one wanted him last year without a long term commitment, which he was unwilling to give. Besides, he led PHX to believe he was gonna re-up with them and stay 1-2 more years.

^ Retard-alert ^

No one wants to help the Lakers! I saaaaaaaiiidddd! :rollin :lmao :rollin

[phoenix219]

No one wanted him last year without a long term commitment, which he was unwilling to give. Besides, he led PHX to believe he was gonna re-up with them and stay 1-2 more years.

He didn't lead us on. We didn't even make him an offer. We pushed him out the door. All he wanted was the 3 years and a decent salary. He took the hint. We didn't even try.

[Dunc n Dave]

^ Retard-alert ^

No one wants to help the Lakers! I saaaaaaaiiidddd! :rollin :lmao :rollin

:rolleyes How's that "bend over and grab your ankles" thread goin for ya? The whole NBA Forum was pilin it on ya, bukkake style.

lol you thought you'd be pitchin' and ended up catchin' instead.

[Banzai]

^ Retard-alert ^

No one wants to help the Lakers! I saaaaaaaiiidddd! :rollin :lmao :rollin

nice profile picture:lol:hat

[whitemamba]

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No one wants to help the Lakers! I saaaaaaaiiidddd! :rollin :lmao :rollin

lmao hilarios pic:lmao:lmao