Dragic to Suns: 4/34

[Mel_13]

Going online now: Suns move quickly after Steve Nash trade and strike four-year deal with Goran Dragic worth $34 million, sources tell

https://twitter.com/#!/ESPNSteinLine

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

slightly more than I woulda liked, but at this point the Suns FA decisions are either gonna be smart or funny

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

And now why the fuck did they draft Kendal Marshall over John Henson. This potential lineup would be very intriguing and at least "fun" to watch:

Dragic
Eric Gordon
Beasley
Henson
Gortat

Dragic/Gordon/Beasley has potential but the Suns still have too big a hole at PF.

[BRHornet45]

finally a good move by Phoenix. white women gonna be going bat shit crazy there now.

[DPG21920]

Gordon will not be a Sun from what I am seeing.

[BRHornet45]

case and point ...


http://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/freeagency12_dragic_signs.jpg

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Gordon will not be a Sun from what I am seeing.
Then I want me some orange juice mayonnaise

lol the Suns are gonna have the two lazy nigs from the 2008 draft

[Spurs da champs]

Don't give up on Marqueef Morris yet.

[BRHornet45]

sons Goran and Gordon gonna be running the back court for the Suns.

[DPG21920]

sons Goran and Gordon gonna be running the back court for the Suns.

ELE on it?

[baseline bum]

CROFL Houston; Dragic is unrestricted, right?

:lol no Dwight Howard
:lol stuck with fat angry Lowry
:lol drafted a guy scared of flying
:lol forever 9-seed
:lol entering 18th consecutive year of complete irrelevance
:lol jettisoned Adelman for McHale
:lol Calvin Murphy 14 children by 9 women, molested 5 of them

[ElNono]

It's a good deal IMO... Goran is a damn good player... plus he's going into a situation where he can start and play minutes, which is what he wanted.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I really wish a miracle happens and the Suns can get Gordon. That would actually make me excited to watch them next year even if they suck. If they don't get Gordon, suck and end of drafting 'Bazz then that's the ultimate wet dream.

Goran and 'Bazz = GOAT back court

[BRHornet45]

sons the Suns are going hard for Goran and Gordon and so far they are doing good ...


http://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/freeagency12_dragic_arena.jpg

http://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/freeagency12_dragic_arrives.jpg

http://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/freeagency12_dragic_staff.jpg





http://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/freeagency12_gordon_signs.jpg

http://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/freeagency12_orange_carpet.jpg

http://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/freeagency12_gordon_ride.jpg

http://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/freeagency12_gordon_greet.jpg

http://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/freeagency12_gordon_cutout.jpg

[Ace]

Good move imo

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

just realized Goran actually took a paycut to leave Houston and come back to Phoenix

:lol Rockets
:lol Morey
:lol maybe he shoulda used some caravans to recruit Goran

[BRHornet45]

just realized Goran actually took a paycut to leave Houston and come back to Phoenix

:lol Rockets
:lol Morey
:lol maybe he shoulda used some caravans to recruit Goran

son congrats on this one. I can't lie I wanted him when he was slightly in the mix of last years CP3 trade talk.

[monosylab1k]

sons the Suns are going hard for Goran and Gordon and so far they are doing good ...


http://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/freeagency12_dragic_arena.jpg

http://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/freeagency12_dragic_arrives.jpg

http://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/freeagency12_dragic_staff.jpg

http://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/freeagency12_gordon_signs.jpg

http://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/freeagency12_orange_carpet.jpg

http://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/freeagency12_gordon_ride.jpg

http://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/freeagency12_gordon_greet.jpg

http://www.nba.com/suns/sites/suns/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/freeagency12_gordon_cutout.jpg

:lmao all this pomp and circumstance for Dragic, meanwhile Cuban is too busy shooting a retarded TV show to even meet with D-Will.

Fuck Cuban.

[Ari Gold]

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=222514

LMAO comedy gold

[Stalin]

finally a good move by Phoenix. white women gonna be going bat shit crazy there now.


:lol

[timvp]

CROFL Houston; Dragic is unrestricted, right?

:lol no Dwight Howard
:lol stuck with fat angry Lowry
:lol drafted a guy scared of flying
:lol forever 9-seed
:lol entering 18th consecutive year of complete irrelevance
:lol jettisoned Adelman for McHale
:lol Calvin Murphy 14 children by 9 women, molested 5 of them

Truth HAM, tbh.

[Xylus]

I really hope we snag Gordon in a sign and trade. Goran Dragic + Eric Gordon makes for one sick backcourt.

Like DOK said, it's probably a few million more than I would have liked to give the guy, but I won't complain. He's a great young player with a lot of upside and tremendous athletic ability.

[Mel_13]

Goran Dragic contract tweak: it's a 4-year, $30M deal with potential to be $34M from annual $1M All-Star bonuses. 4th year is player option.

https://twitter.com/#!/paulcoro

[ElNono]

CROFL Houston; Dragic is unrestricted, right?

:lol no Dwight Howard
:lol stuck with fat angry Lowry
:lol drafted a guy scared of flying
:lol forever 9-seed
:lol entering 18th consecutive year of complete irrelevance
:lol jettisoned Adelman for McHale
:lol Calvin Murphy 14 children by 9 women, molested 5 of them

:lmao

[BRHornet45]

Goran Dragic contract tweak: it's a 4-year, $30M deal with potential to be $34M from annual $1M All-Star bonuses. 4th year is player option.

https://twitter.com/#!/paulcoro

son so basically that means its a $30M deal.

[DJ Mbenga]

marshall was a useless pick

[ElNono]

Sarver "tweaking" contracts :lol

Shaving off a million here or there... :lol

[Xylus]

4yr/$30mil

Holy moly, that's excellent.

[baseline bum]

LOL, so he gave back $500,000 a year just to get away from that humid sewer of Houston? Ouch, that's gotta hurt. Apparently a city whose only recreational activities are gangbanging and going to strip clubs didn't suit Goran well. :cry

[baseline bum]

:( :( :( Here's hoping the Rockets can reconcile with Lowry, or we get Lin. SIGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Please let these dark ages be over soon. I'm a broken hearted Rockets fan. Broke up with my girlfriend and now my Rockets are broke. My business is broke. The least the could happen for me is for the Rockets to do well!! Please let it be so!

[Venti Quattro]

:( 2nd seed :(

[baseline bum]

AaP674BgAvc

I love the way Goran dunks the ball too :cry
And all his beautiful threes :cry

[baseline bum]

dp

[racm]

... so are the Suns trying to tank for Shabazz or are they going for a playoff spot. This team confuses me.

[JMarkJohns]

For the first time in years I feel the Suns have a smart game plan and are moving smartly to secure it. Secure Gordon, amnesty Childress, shop Gortat and sell high if he brings it, and develop.

I am pissed they missed out on Ross and skipped over Henson last Thursday, however. I understood the Marshall pick from the uncertainty, but now with Dragic on board, lots of future options via draft picks, and that they still own restricted rights to Aaron Brooks, he seems far less prudent and more like the average backup he is likely to be.

[racm]

Hey at least you have your PG rotation figured out. I'm waiting to see whether Pop stops the Neal at point charade.

[JMarkJohns]

I'm hoping they can turn Brooks into another late 1st for 2014.

[racm]

Only through a S&T. They're not gonna match any offers.

[JMarkJohns]

Yeah

[Jeremy]

Where are the Suns getting all of this cap space from? They are at around $37 million currently, including Lopez's qualifying offer. Assuming a cap of about $59 million (?), that leaves them with approximately $22 million. And they've already committed to $14 million for Gordon, $6 million for Beasley, and $8 million for Dragic = $28 million??? What's going on here?

[racm]

They got cash from the Lakers trade?

[djohn2oo8]

Got nothing to do with the city and everything to do with Morey being a shit ass GM. When you look up psychological disorders, or what drives someone to be a psychopath, or just flat out retarded, rocketfan syndrome will show up 10 times out of 10.

[benefactor]

CROFL Houston; Dragic is unrestricted, right?

:lol no Dwight Howard
:lol stuck with fat angry Lowry
:lol drafted a guy scared of flying
:lol forever 9-seed
:lol entering 18th consecutive year of complete irrelevance
:lol jettisoned Adelman for McHale
:lol Calvin Murphy 14 children by 9 women, molested 5 of them
:lol two titles because Jordan quit
:lol shitting on the only reason you were ever relevant by sending him to Toronto
:lol Steve Francis and Cuttino Mobley
:lol depending on first round and out T-Mac
:lol depending on a broke down Chinese center
:lol power forward ecstasy

[LkrFan]

CROFL Houston; Dragic is unrestricted, right?

:lol no Dwight Howard
:lol stuck with fat angry Lowry
:lol drafted a guy scared of flying
:lol forever 9-seed
:lol entering 18th consecutive year of complete irrelevance
:lol jettisoned Adelman for McHale
:lol Calvin Murphy 14 children by 9 women, molested 5 of them

HAM ALERT! :rollin :lmao :rollin

[scanry]

Baseline going HAM on them 2nd seeds.

[scanry]

son so basically that means its a $30M deal.

Dumb on them to ever lose Dragic in the first place.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So basically the only way it becomes $34M is if Dragic is playing at a level high enough to earn the extra $4M.

As Xylus said, this is a great contract now.

[Kobayagi]

Basically, it could be said it's a 30 mil / 4 yrs contract. There is no way he gets voted in over Kobe/Paul/Westbrook/Nash/Parker and then it's up to the West team coach.

That being said, I don't think Dragic will ever play all-star game. I hope I'm wrong.

[JMarkJohns]

Where are the Suns getting all of this cap space from? They are at around $37 million currently, including Lopez's qualifying offer. Assuming a cap of about $59 million (?), that leaves them with approximately $22 million. And they've already committed to $14 million for Gordon, $6 million for Beasley, and $8 million for Dragic = $28 million??? What's going on here?

Contracts typically escalate, so they would all be several million less than their per-year average in this first year. Probably closer to 12, 6.5, and 4.5. Technically the Suns can clear more space by amnestying Childress and including salary contracted players in the potential sign/trade for Gordon. If they traded Gortat for Gordon and amnestied Childress, I think they'd have enough for another lower-tiered Max offer.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Plus they also get a roughly $9M trade exception from the Nash trade.

Babby and Blanks are redeeming themselves. I'm just still hung up on passing on Henson. He woulda been perfect :cry

[JMarkJohns]

I agree. For me, once Ross was gone, Henson was my choice.

Knowing Sarver he doesn't use all the trade exception, though they are far enough under the CAP they could without worry.

[da_suns_fan]

Plus they also get a roughly $9M trade exception from the Nash trade.

Babby and Blanks are redeeming themselves. I'm just still hung up on passing on Henson. He woulda been perfect :cry

Not true.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

This is also a random tangent, but people complaining about the fact Sarver got the Lakers to throw $3.1M into the deal has gotten stupid. They act like all that money goes into Sarver's pocket and as if he just sold Steve Nash. If he got LA to throw $3.1M into the deal for an unrestricted free agent the Suns don't have any control over, that's a good business decision and completely different than selling picks the team owns.

[JMarkJohns]

Correct. Now if he starts selling the picks off, then it's same old Sarver...

[pauls931]

just realized Goran actually took a paycut to leave Houston and come back to Phoenix

:lol Rockets
:lol Morey
:lol maybe he shoulda used some caravans to recruit Goran

Coming out of my cave...

I'd pay money to play for someone if it meant getting out of Houston.

[Mel_13]

This is also a random tangent, but people complaining about the fact Sarver got the Lakers to throw $3.1M into the deal has gotten stupid. They act like all that money goes into Sarver's pocket and as if he just sold Steve Nash. If he got LA to throw $3.1M into the deal for an unrestricted free agent the Suns don't have any control over, that's a good business decision and completely different than selling picks the team owns.

And a good thing for every other team in the league. Under the old CBA, teams could add up to 3M to every transaction. Now the limit is 3M per season. So that's one tool that the Lakers can't use again this season.

[JMarkJohns]

Not true.

It is true from multiple reports. Where have you heard they aren't? It's the Odom exception and it's why the Suns don't need to take back any contracts.

[Mel_13]

It is true from multiple reports. Where have you heard they aren't? It's the Odom exception and it's why the Suns don't need to take back any contracts.

He's right. This type of trade would normally create an exception, and perhaps technically it still does. The Suns, however, are using cap space to sign players like Dragic and Gordon. In order to use cap space they have to renounce their exceptions, including trade exceptions.

[JMarkJohns]

Interesting. As I said, I didn't expect Sarver to use it anyway.

[da_suns_fan]

It is true from multiple reports. Where have you heard they aren't? It's the Odom exception and it's why the Suns don't need to take back any contracts.

Not true.

[da_suns_fan]

He's right. This type of trade would normally create an exception, and perhaps technically it still does. The Suns, however, are using cap space to sign players like Dragic and Gordon. In order to use cap space they have to renounce their exceptions, including trade exceptions.

JMarksJohn is a total jackass.

He just said it was confirmed in "multiple reports".

So show us ONE of these "reports" that said the Suns get a trade exception.

[JMarkJohns]

It was all over twitter you twat...

[da_suns_fan]

It was all over twitter you twat...

Just like that Sarver quote "We will match" you put in that "article", right?

Who tweeted that the Suns gained an exception?

btw - love how "multiple reports" just morphed into "tweets". :lol

[JMarkJohns]

You should read the Nash/Lakers thread, and also realize twitter now breaks more news than any media service. When reporters tweet it's still a report, and many link to articles as well.

The Suns did acquire the exception. That's how the trade could get done under the CBA, but they opted to renounce the exception and use the sum as CAP space.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Not true.
They don't get the trade exception LA is using?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

He's right. This type of trade would normally create an exception, and perhaps technically it still does. The Suns, however, are using cap space to sign players like Dragic and Gordon. In order to use cap space they have to renounce their exceptions, including trade exceptions.
So they do get an exception in the trade, it's just worthless since they have cap space...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So show us ONE of these "reports" that said the Suns get a trade exception.
:lol it doesn't need to be a report, it's how the NBA works.

It's a totally worthless exception since the Suns are under the cap so in that sense you're right, but when the Lakers have to use a trade exception for the deal, it means the Suns get it.

[da_suns_fan]

:lol it doesn't need to be a report, it's how the NBA works.

It's a totally worthless exception since the Suns are under the cap so in that sense you're right, but when the Lakers have to use a trade exception for the deal, it means the Suns get it.



It does need a "report". I can find you 200 different articles explaining how the Lakers gained a trade exception when they traded Odom to the Mavs despite the fact "thats how the NBA works".

Wont find that with Nash to Lakers, will ya? When you are under the cap, you renounce all exceptions.

Never believe JMarksJohn. He will literally make up quotes out of thin air.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I understand the fact they're renouncing the exception, but they still got the exception via the trade.

I admit I was (and JMark was too for that matter) wrong about the fact that they have to renounce all exceptions since they're under the cap (didn't know that rule), but the trade still generates an exception.

[JMarkJohns]

Somebody didn't love you enough when you were a child. If you go back and review all the initial reports of the trade, most mentioned Nash being acquired with the 8.9 Odom exception plus multiple picks. Forgive us our sins of taking the reports at face value while sporadically following a developing story on a holiday.

[benefactor]

It is true from multiple reports. Where have you heard they aren't? It's the Odom exception and it's why the Suns don't need to take back any contracts.
Not true.
It is true. A team cannot sign a player then just trade him to another team that has no cap space without an exception being available to absorb the incoming salary. The Suns don't get to use the exception because they are under the cap, but it was used and it is the reason why they don't have to take any salary back.

[da_suns_fan]

It is true. A team cannot sign a player then just trade him to another team that has no cap space without an exception being available to absorb the incoming salary. The Suns don't get to use the exception because they are under the cap, but it was used and it is the reason why they don't have to take any salary back.

Original quote was that the Suns now have an 8.9 million dollar trade exception.


Plus they also get a roughly $9M trade exception from the Nash trade.

Which I pointed out was not true.

[benefactor]

Original quote was that the Suns now have an 8.9 million dollar trade exception.



Which I pointed out was not true.
That's fine. JMJ had said that the reason why the Suns didn't have to take back salary was because of the exception. You responded and said that wasn't true when in fact it was. Just making sure we are clear on what is true and what is not.

[N4th4n]

Never believe JMarksJohn. He will literally make up quotes out of thin air.

While you seem to conjure up stupidity out of thin air!

[Jeremy]

Contracts typically escalate, so they would all be several million less than their per-year average in this first year. Probably closer to 12, 6.5, and 4.5. Technically the Suns can clear more space by amnestying Childress and including salary contracted players in the potential sign/trade for Gordon. If they traded Gortat for Gordon and amnestied Childress, I think they'd have enough for another lower-tiered Max offer.

Yeah, I realized I had forgotten about the amnesty. Why would Suns trade Gortat, though?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah, I realized I had forgotten about the amnesty. Why would Suns trade Gortat, though?
Because his value is at an all time high and can only go down at this point. They're still nowhere near being a contender, so if they can get quality talent/picks for Gortat, they'd be stupid not to.

Same thing for Dudley imo, both Dudley and Gortat are players who do nothing for a rebuilding team and should be traded while they have value.

While I'm thrilled with the young talent they're adding, none it is franchise-player type talent. Since they're prolly not getting Gordon, blow the team up w/ Dragic and Beasley as building blocks and draft Shabazz in 2013.

[Jeremy]

Because his value is at an all time high and can only go down at this point. They're still nowhere near being a contender, so if they can get quality talent/picks for Gortat, they'd be stupid not to.

Same thing for Dudley imo, both Dudley and Gortat are players who do nothing for a rebuilding team and should be traded while they have value.

While I'm thrilled with the young talent they're adding, none it is franchise-player type talent. Since they're prolly not getting Gordon, blow the team up w/ Dragic and Beasley as building blocks and draft Shabazz in 2013.

There's no way I'd trade Gortat for Gordon, though, which is what JMJ was saying.

[JMarkJohns]

If you trade Gortat for Gordon, you do three things:

1. You secure Gordon, a sub-25, not-yet-prime, 20-ppg scorer for a 28-YO, soon-to-be-end-prime big that may not play as well without Nash.

2. You are an amnesty away from clearing another MAX contract worth of CAP space, maybe for next year.

3. You commit to finding out what Morris is worth quickly, being able to immediately assess frontcourt need.

Gortat has two years left at a very reasonable amount, which is really valuable.

Maybe not New Orleans for Gordon, but I think it would be wise to see what can be had.

[BRHornet45]

If you trade Gortat for Gordon, you do three things:

1. You secure Gordon, a sub-25, not-yet-prime, 20-ppg scorer for a 28-YO, soon-to-be-end-prime big that may not play as well without Nash.

.

son Gordon has never once proved to be a guaranteed "20-ppg" scorer like some people claim. he only put up 22ppg ONCE while playing on a shitty team and in only 56 games. the previous two seasons before that he only put up 16ppg and last season he only played in 9 games so you couldn't tell what he would have done. Gordon is not a guaranteed 20-ppg scorer.

[baseline bum]

son Gordon has never once proved to be a guaranteed "20-ppg" scorer like some people claim. he only put up 22ppg ONCE while playing on a shitty team and in only 56 games. the previous two seasons before that he only put up 16ppg and last season he only played in 9 games so you couldn't tell what he would have done. Gordon is not a guaranteed 20-ppg scorer.

Son, the Suns medical staff got Grant Hill.... Grant Fucking Hill... to play four full seasons and most of a fifth. If there is any team that can keep Gordon on the floor, it's them.

[BRHornet45]

Son, the Suns medical staff got Grant Hill.... Grant Fucking Hill... to play four full seasons and most of a fifth. If there is any team that can keep Gordon on the floor, it's them.

but son the difference there is that Grant Hill has heart. Eric Gordon lacks that.

[DPG21920]

Dude, he's a Hornet. Don't jock him later sons.

[MarioSpeedwagon]

lol @ Dragic's jorts