Establishment Republicans S*** on Ron Paul supporters

[RandomGuy]

Icky.

Long story short:
Ron Paul supporters were booted from being delegates after they fairly defeated establishment chosen delegates. The RP supporters all pledged to support Romney as they were chosen to do in the first round of voting at the GOP convention.

A bit more:
They were forced to sign written pledges even after promising and fully stating their intention to vote for Romney *in the first round*. (being free from that pledge if there is no clear winner in the first round, highly unlikely)

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Mass. Republicans oust Ron Paul delegates

Evan Kenney had just turned 18 and registered to vote for the first time when he campaigned to be an alternate delegate to the Republican National Convention. Lauding Ronald Reagan’s principles and blasting Keynesian economics at the Lynnfield caucus in April, the Wakefield High School senior beat out several well-known Massachusetts Republicans, including the party’s most recent nominee for governor, Charles D. Baker Jr.

But earlier this month, Kenney was one of 17 delegates and alternates disqualified by a Republican committee deciding who gets to represent Massachusetts Republicans at the national convention in Tampa. Kenney and others had failed to deliver in time an affidavit swearing, under the penalty of perjury, that they would support Mitt Romney’s nomination for president.

An affidavit is never mentioned in the Republican Party’s rules for selecting delegates and has never been required of delegates in the past, GOP critics say. Suspicions are steep this year because Kenney and the others are supporters of Ron Paul, the libertarian candidate whose quixotic campaign for president culminated in an effort to take over state caucuses nationwide. The delegates must vote for Romney, based on his strong primary win in Massachusetts, but Paul’s supporters hope to use the convention to draw attention to his agenda, including auditing the Federal Reserve and requiring wars to be declared by Congress.

In Massachusetts, Paul’s Liberty Slate swept the Republican caucuses in April, stealing delegate spots that were expected to go to Romney’s friends and allies, whom he had selected. Massachusetts, a state dominated by Democrats and typically marginalized at national Republican events, could have an unusual share of the limelight at this year’s convention, since its former governor is the party’s expected presidential nominee.

Some libertarian-leaning delegates balked at the notion of signing legal affidavits pledging what they had committed verbally at the caucuses where they were elected. Many later submitted them, but not until after the deadline.

As a result, the committee disqualified them, winnowing the number of Liberty delegates and alternates to the convention from 35 to 19, said organizer Brad Wyatt. (One Liberty delegate was added due to the changes in the roster.)

“I’ve been rudely awakened to the realities of politics,” Kenney said. “I feel I’ve been cheated.”

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http://articles.boston.com/2012-06-24/metro/32379941_1_delegates-and-alternate-delegates-republican-caucuses-state-caucuses

[RandomGuy]

To be fair, I saw similar types of ickyness at my own local Democratic caucus during the 2008 run up by an establishment shithead voting for Hillary.

The group was clearly strongly in favor of Obama, but the guy was using parlimentary bullshit to try and get the entire thing nullified. Had that happened none of the votes in our county would have counted as we would have had no delegates to go to the (pointless) state convention.

It didn't work, but it was peeving. The guy has since croaked. Good riddance.

[TeyshaBlue]

To be fair, I saw similar types of ickyness at my own local Democratic caucus during the 2008 run up by an establishment shithead voting for Hillary.

The group was clearly strongly in favor of Obama, but the guy was using parlimentary bullshit to try and get the entire thing nullified. Had that happened none of the votes in our county would have counted as we would have had no delegates to go to the (pointless) state convention.

It didn't work, but it was peeving. The guy has since croaked. Good riddance.
Same thing happened up here during the Dem. Caucus. It was weird to watch it play out. The Hillary contingent got their asses kicked too.

[DarrinS]

To be fair, I saw similar types of ickyness at my own local Democratic caucus during the 2008 run up by an establishment shithead voting for Hillary.

The group was clearly strongly in favor of Obama, but the guy was using parlimentary bullshit to try and get the entire thing nullified. Had that happened none of the votes in our county would have counted as we would have had no delegates to go to the (pointless) state convention.

It didn't work, but it was peeving. The guy has since croaked. Good riddance.


Dude was probably racist, since he wasn't slurping down the hopenchange koolaid with the rest of you Obamabot nutters.

[clambake]

Dude was probably racist, since he wasn't slurping down the hopenchange koolaid with the rest of you Obamabot nutters.

funny coming from a birther, tbh.

[DarrinS]

funny coming from a birther, tbh.

lol, nice try

[clambake]

lol, nice try

you think we all forgot?

[Clipper Nation]

:lol GOP neocons slowly killing off their own party
:lol No young people will vote for those corrupt TOSB's

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, anyone could see this was going to happen.

lol Paul supporters' big talk

[Clipper Nation]

:lol GOP not having a voter base anymore once the baby boomers become too senile to vote or care

[ChumpDumper]

Who will the Paul supporters vote for?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol GOP not having a voter base anymore once the baby boomers become too senile to vote or care
Too bad that'll come after the baby boomers have completely fucked American over.....wait, they've already done that :lol

:madrun I hate socialism but I demand medicare and social security :madrun

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Who will the Paul supporters vote for?
Rand

Or whichever candidate comes up with a plan that America would be better off without taxes, a bunch of guns, and no government :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Who will the Paul supporters vote for?
Any liberty-minded candidate, B...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If you think complete deregulation is the best form of government, why don't you move to Somalia? I hear there's plenty of guns and deregulation over there tbh.

[z0sa]

Ron Paul had my vote if he made it to the Big Stage... we all knew that would never happen though.

[Clipper Nation]

If you think complete deregulation is the best form of government, why don't you move to Somalia? I hear there's plenty of guns and deregulation over there tbh.
:lol Blatant oversimplification of Paul's views

[ChumpDumper]

Any liberty-minded candidate, B...Who is a liberty minded candidate?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol Blatant oversimplification of Paul's views
How is it an oversimplification? Ron Paul thinks there should be absolutely no government regulation, no gun control, no public school or other government programs, etc......how is that different from Somalia's form of government?

[Clipper Nation]

Who is a liberty minded candidate?
Someone who honors the constitution, will cut spending, protect civil liberties, and reduce government control in our lives...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

How is the big bad government controlling your life?

[Clipper Nation]

How is it an oversimplification? Ron Paul thinks there should be absolutely no government regulation, no gun control, no public school or other government programs, etc......how is that different from Somalia's form of government?
Somalia has NO government, while Paul would obviously keep a government in place... believe it or not, the government would run just fine without having an expensive program for everything, controlling every aspect of our lives, and maintaining an out-of-control foreign policy, tbh...

[z0sa]

How is the big bad government controlling your life?

I heard a couple days ago someone tell me they had read that the USG now occupies approximately 1/6th to 1/8th of the economy, obviously varying depending on how various stuff runs its course.

Not saying the government controls your life all tinfoil conspiracy style but it does have a profound effect tbh. One might argue an overly profound influence.

[Clipper Nation]

I heard a couple days ago someone tell me they had read that the USG now occupies approximately 1/6th to 1/8th of the economy, obviously varying depending on how various stuff runs its course.
This, first and foremost... also, the social wedge issues that both parties cling to (gun rights, gay marriage, wiretapping, etc.) play a role...

[ChumpDumper]

Someone who honors the constitution, will cut spending, protect civil liberties, and reduce government control in our lives...Named?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Any possibility of filing a lawsuit and requesting an immediate injunction?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I heard a couple days ago someone tell me they had read that the USG now occupies approximately 1/6th to 1/8th of the economy, obviously varying depending on how various stuff runs its course.

Not saying the government controls your life all tinfoil conspiracy style but it does have a profound effect tbh. One might argue an overly profound influence.
:lol You think the government controlling 1/6th to 1/8th of the economy is that out of control? That's probably nothing compared to Canada or Germany.

[baseline bum]

Too bad that'll come after the baby boomers have completely fucked American over.....wait, they've already done that :lol

:madrun I hate socialism but I demand medicare and social security :madrun

I think the Ryan plan made it pretty clear that they only hate medicare for you, not them. But it's cool for you to be bound into paying for their's.

[boutons_deux]

what does anyone, here, do day to day where the federal govt is "controlling" your life?

right-wingers and libertarians have NOTHING but liberty! freedom! GOVT IS THE PROBLEM. red herrings, all of them.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I think the Ryan plan made it pretty clear that they only hate medicare for you, not them. But it's cool for you to be bound into paying for their's.
Well that's how baby boomers work....they claim that every other generation has a huge sense of entitlement when they want young people to pay for their medicare and social security. They have by far the biggest sense of entitlement out of every generation.

[Wild Cobra]

Well that's how baby boomers work....they claim that every other generation has a huge sense of entitlement when they want young people to pay for their medicare and social security. They have by far the biggest sense of entitlement out of every generation.
That's a pretty poor correlation, and incorrect.

Being a "baby boomer, and having paid into these systems for more almost 40 years, I simply want what I was told I would have. That said, I invest in my own retirement. there are so many times I could use that extra money, but I also know the SS system may fall apart by the time I retire, and may have to rely on myself exclusively.

There is no solution that will make everyone happy.

I think what makes me the most upset in such debates is that people thing they are entitled to what they didn't earn or pay for. I plan my future on what I expect to get, not what I hope I can get. We treat the poor and handicapped so much better than decades past, and no matter how much more we socialize our system, there are more and more crybabies thinking they should have more.

Fuck that. There are less and less people pulling the cart and more and more people climbing into that cart. It will break down at some point. The trend needs to reverse.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Being a "baby boomer, and having paid into these systems for more almost 40 years, I simply want what I was told I would have.
You had to pay social security taxes regardless. It's not like they're optional and you chose to opt in based off some promises. If paying social security for 40 years with the risk of not getting it was such a huge concern for you, you should have left the country.


That said, I invest in my own retirement. there are so many times I could use that extra money, but I also know the SS system may fall apart by the time I retire, and may have to rely on myself exclusively.
Well that was smart, you aren't one of the many retarded baby boomers who though social security is what serves as retirement savings.


There is no solution that will make everyone happy.
True.


I think what makes me the most upset in such debates is that people thing they are entitled to what they didn't earn or pay for.
I don't think I'm entitled to anything, but I sure as hell don't think baby boomers are entitled to raise my taxes in the future just because they elected leaders who drained social security with tax cuts in other areas and unnecessary spending.


I plan my future on what I expect to get, not what I hope I can get. We treat the poor and handicapped so much better than decades past, and no matter how much more we socialize our system, there are more and more crybabies thinking they should have more.
So why are old people entitled to any more than the poor and handicapped? It's ridiculous how much money this country spends to keep 80 year olds alive. I'd much rather invest in the medical care of an under priviledged child who still has something to contribute to society.



Fuck that. There are less and less people pulling the cart and more and more people climbing into that cart. It will break down at some point. The trend needs to reverse.
rofl the baby boomers are main culprits for climbing into the cart these days. People my age are gonna be paying huge amounts of taxes in the next 10-20 years to shoulder the load of all the baby boomers expecting benefits, and we're never gonna see a penny of the huge taxes we'll pay.

[baseline bum]

LOL @ the baby boomers saying they deserve because they paid into the system. All the younger generations will be paying into the system to cover your bills and then don't get the benefit your old ass gets since Ryan wants to throw everyone but his aging base under the bus. If you guys really believe in ending medicare in place of a voucher system, why not petition Ryan to do it for you guys too?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I love how the Baby Boomers think it's automatically the younger generation's responsibility to pay for their medicare and social security because the elected tons of leaders who leveraged america and spent their soecial security.

[z0sa]

:lol You think the government controlling 1/6th to 1/8th of the economy is that out of control?

This is a strawman... I never argued either way. The government is the biggest business of all but whether or not it overreaches is a stupid discussion that belies its much more specific nature. While many things need restructuring, few facets of our current government are far overreaching. We could definitely afford some drastic reductions to our various "war" budgets, for example, as well as stuff like the TSA and their Naziesque tactics. On the other hand, the EPA and other (arguably) important entities should stay in tact and even continue to be expanded.


That's probably nothing compared to Canada or Germany.

Canada, I would agree... Germany I'm honestly unaware. Like I said, I don't really have a horse in the race at this point.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

This is a strawman... I never argued either way. The government is the biggest business of all but whether or not it overreaches is a stupid discussion that belies its much more specific nature. While many things need restructuring, few facets of our current government are far overreaching. We could definitely afford some drastic reductions to our various "war" budgets, for example, as well as stuff like the TSA and their Naziesque tactics. On the other hand, the EPA, FBI and other important entities should stay in tact and even continue to be expanded.



Canada, I would agree... Germany I'm honestly unaware. Like I said, I don't really have a horse in the race at this point.
I misunderstood your argument then cause I agree with everything here.

[DarrinS]

LOL @ the baby boomers saying they deserve because they paid into the system. All the younger generations will be paying into the system to cover your bills and then don't get the benefit your old ass gets...


Sounds like a Ponzi scheme.

[PublicOption]

party politics=illusion of "free" elections......doesn't everyone know this by now.
WE ARE NOT FREE.

[Wild Cobra]

I love how the Baby Boomers think it's automatically the younger generation's responsibility to pay for their medicare and social security because the elected tons of leaders who leveraged america and spent their soecial security.
Who says that?

I think you will find the leading message among those of my age is that the government fucked up. That there never was an actual fund holding the money. maybe the liberal/democrat baby boomers are different than the conservative/republican baby boomers in that regard.

Who is it that rails against spending. Who is it that wants the government to live within it's means. Who is it that wants to spend money we don't have?

We can go on, but in the end... It's the same old argument. The politicians by the people's vote with the people's money.

[Wild Cobra]

Sounds like a Ponzi scheme.
Yep, it is a Ponzi scheme. Just look at how much of the national debt is owed to SS and Medicare, and not in any kind of actual holding.

They spent it all, already!

[baseline bum]

Who says that?

I think you will find the leading message among those of my age is that the government fucked up. That there never was an actual fund holding the money. maybe the liberal/democrat baby boomers are different than the conservative/republican baby boomers in that regard.

Who is it that rails against spending. Who is it that wants the government to live within it's means. Who is it that wants to spend money we don't have?

We can go on, but in the end... It's the same old argument. The politicians by the people's vote with the people's money.

So if you baby boomers are really about controlling spending, why don't you get on Ryan's ass to end Medicare for your generation too?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol thinking that involuntarily paying taxes to the government is even remotely comparable to a "Ponzi Scheme"

[Wild Cobra]

So if you baby boomers are really about controlling spending, why don't you get on Ryan's ass to end Medicare for your generation too?
It's liberals who don't care about spending.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It's liberals who don't care about spending.
I didn't know W was a liberal

[baseline bum]

It's liberals who don't care about spending.

And you and your generation.

[Wild Cobra]

I didn't know W was a liberal
He was a RINO. Not a conservative.

[RandomGuy]

Dude was probably racist, since he wasn't slurping down the hopenchange koolaid with the rest of you Obamabot nutters.

:lmao Fucktard partisan hack talking about someone "drinking koolaid".


Shouldn't you be out hoarding lightbulbs dittohead?

[Wild Cobra]

And you and your generation.
I have always cared about spending, the deficit, and debt. If you have understood what you read of my words in past threads on the issues, you would know that.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

He was a RINO. Not a conservative.
What's a RINO?

So that means he wasn't a liberal?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I have always cared about spending, the deficit, and debt.
If by "always cared" you mean "since 2009 when the Republican party started pretending to care" then sure.

[Wild Cobra]

What's a RINO?

So that means he wasn't a liberal?
RINO means "republican in name only."

[Wild Cobra]

If by "always cared" you mean "since 2009 when the Republican party started pretending to care" then sure.
Wow...

How long have you been reading the posts here in the political forum?

I have been consistent that the national debt should always be paid down except in times of war or recession.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

RINO means "republican in name only."
Why was he a Republican in name only?

[Wild Cobra]

Why was he a Republican in name only?
Google is your friend. Look at all the opinions there.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Wow...

How long have you been reading the posts here in the political forum?
I'd be willing to wager everything I own on the conjecture that you didn't ever complain about Bush and other Republicans leveraging the hell out of the country at a record pace from 2000-2008.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Google is your friend. Look at all the opinions there.
I just googled it and it says the GOP nominated Bush as the Republican presidential candidate in 2000 and 2004.

Why do you think Bush wasn't a real Republican?

[Wild Cobra]

I'd be willing to wager everything I own on the conjecture that you didn't ever complain about Bush and other Republicans leveraging the hell out of the country at a record pace from 2000-2008.
How rich will I be to prove you're wrong? Will it be worth my time to show you pointed posts of mine?

[Wild Cobra]

I just googled it and it says the GOP nominated Bush as the Republican presidential candidate in 2000 and 2004.

Why do you think Bush wasn't a real Republican?
Really...

I put RINO in google, and this is the top entry:

RINO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_In_Name_Only)

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

How rich will I be to prove your wrong? Will it be worth my time to show you pointed posts of mine?
Probably not since I'm guessing you voted for the candidate who agreed with Bush 90% of the time, so you obviously thought highly of the man.

[baseline bum]

I have always cared about spending, the deficit, and debt. If you have understood what you read of my words in past threads on the issues, you would know that.

Everyone understands your words. You want to shoot mexicans and you hate black people and every non-Republican cause.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Really...

I put RINO in google, and this is the top entry:

RINO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_In_Name_Only)
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao way to own yourself again

George Bush is not even mentioned once in that entry :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Wild Cobra]

Probably not since I'm guessing you voted for the candidate who agreed with Bush 90% of the time, so you obviously thought highly of the man.
I never voted for Bush in the sense of liking him. I voted against his competition. I probably agreed with Bush 60% the time while he made decisions. Until he took a hard stance after 9-11, I thought he was a pussy.

[Wild Cobra]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao way to own yourself again

George Bush is not even mentioned once in that entry :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
Well, I'm more conservative than most, so to me, he is a RINO.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I never voted for Bush in the sense of liking him. I voted against his competition.
But you did vote him, so there was obviously some respect there, and he was obviously more of a Republican than the other candidates in your mind.


I probably agreed with Bush 60% the time while he made decisions.
So you agreed with him the majority of the time?

When did you disagree with him?

I'm still waiting for proof you disapproved of his deficit spending.


Until he took a hard stance after 9-11, I thought he was a pussy.
I agree, it takes a real man to send young adults he's never met to war.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Well, I'm more conservative than most, so to me, he is a RINO.
1) I thought you were an independent?

2) Since you've now admitted that opinions of Bush being a RINO are scarce, why did you specifically think he was a RINO?

[baseline bum]

I agree, it takes a real man to send young adults he's never met to war.

And to draw pictures to justify the war.

[Wild Cobra]

1) I thought you were an independent?

2) Since you've now admitted that opinions of Bush being a RINO are scarce, why did you specifically think he was a RINO?
My voter registration says "not affiliated" on it. I am not a republican. I am a cross between a conservative and libertarian. RINO is a term used for liberal leaning republicans, and that's why i call him that. I have voted for democrats, but seldom. I often spoil my vote by voting 3rd party. I couldn't afford to spoil my vote when Gore, Kerry, and Obama were on the other ticket, so I voted for Bush and McCain. McCain is a far worse RINO than Bush, but I voted for him too.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So why can't you answer my question reguarding WHY you consider Bush a RINO?


You've now dodged it multiple times.

[Wild Cobra]

So why can't you answer my question reguarding WHY you consider Bush a RINO?


You've now dodged it multiple times.
I did answer the question.


Well, I'm more conservative than most, so to me, he is a RINO.

[Wild Cobra]

I searched for Bush's liberal stances, I saw and started reading this article that I am guessing will sum up my views of him as a RINO:

The shockingly liberal legacy of George W. Bush (http://www.macleans.ca/world/usa/article.jsp?content=20080820_86797_86797)

[baseline bum]

So why can't you answer my question reguarding WHY you consider Bush a RINO?


You've now dodged it multiple times.

:lol

The guy defends an unpaid for Medicare Part D and an unpaid for Iraq War.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I did answer the question.
:lol that's not answering the question. I asked what specifically about Bush made you think he was a RINO?

[Wild Cobra]

Check this one out too:

President Bush’s Liberal Views (http://www.newdonkey.com/president-bushs-liberal-views.html)

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I searched for Bush's liberal stances, I saw and started reading this article that I am guessing will sum up my views of him as a RINO:

The shockingly liberal legacy of George W. Bush (http://www.macleans.ca/world/usa/article.jsp?content=20080820_86797_86797)
So that's why you think George Bush was a RINO? Because he aided Africa with AIDS relief?

Ok

[Wild Cobra]

:lol that's not answering the question. I asked what specifically about Bush made you think he was a RINO?
I see...

You are now changing from a general question to specially wanting a line by line list. Sorry, not going to put that much effort into a list. Read the last two links I posted.

[Wild Cobra]

So that's why you think George Bush was a RINO? Because he aided Africa with AIDS relief?

Ok
LOL that's one item of many. thing in that regard is we send money to them to use on AIDS, with no oversight. Do you really think it goes to AIDS? No. It's just buying votes. Besides, we have our own problems and shouldn't be spending money on such things when our budget is in the red.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Check this one out too:

President Bush’s Liberal Views (http://www.newdonkey.com/president-bushs-liberal-views.html)
That article is all kinds of stupid. Just because NAFTA was ushered in by Clinton doesn't make it a liberal act. The greater majority of all Republicans supported NAFTA as well.

Bush's support for NAFTA is also something I highly doubt you hold against him. I'm still waiting for you to give specific reasons why you have arrived at the conclusion Bush was a RINO, because I'm willing to bet his support for NAFTA isn't one of them.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

LOL that's one item of many. thing in that regard is we send money to them to use on AIDS, with no oversight. Do you really think it goes to AIDS? No. It's just buying votes. Besides, we have our own problems and shouldn't be spending money on such things when our budget is in the red.
OK so here's the list of reasons why you think Bush is a RINO that I've compiled so far:

1) He wasted money giving Africa AIDS relief
2) He supported NAFTA, a free trade agreement that falls in line with Conservative ideals

Solid start tbh.

[Wild Cobra]

Cherry pick all you want. they are not the only items. I'm even on record as being OK with NAFTA, because it is in out best interest to help our bordering nations. However, NAFTA became other free trade agreements that I am in complete opposition of.

He is a liberal in illegal immigration. Funny how he had 44% of the Hispanic vote in 2000, but after talking about things like amnesty, he only captured 25% of the Hispanic vote in 2004.

Legal voting Hispanics don't want the illegals hurting our economics any more than us conservatives do.

[Wild Cobra]

OK so here's the list of reasons why you think Bush is a RINO that I've compiled so far:

1) He wasted money giving Africa AIDS relief
2) He supported NAFTA, a free trade agreement that falls in line with Conservative ideals

Solid start tbh.
I'm done with you since you are ignoring other items in those two threads, like the consolidation of government agencies, illegal immigration, and other items.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

free trade is a conservative ideology.

I really don't think Bush's immigration stance makes him a RINO when he was as conservative as it gets with the economy, social issues, and foreign policy.

[Clipper Nation]

free trade is a conservative ideology.

Yet NAFTA is not free trade or conservative despite its name... NAFTA is special interest-managed trade, tbh...

[Clipper Nation]

I really don't think Bush's immigration stance makes him a RINO when he was as conservative as it gets with the economy, social issues, and foreign policy.
:lmao at Bush being conservative on the economy or foreign policy...

TARP was not conservative... over $1 trillion spent on bailouts was not conservative... wiretapping was not conservative... starting an expensive war based on non-existent WMDs was not conservative... I could go on...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

TARP was not conservative...
Being in bed with the banks is pretty conservative :lol


over $1 trillion spent on bailouts was not conservative...
At this point spending on bailouts is something liberals and conservatives both love to do.


wiretapping was not conservative...
It sure as hell isn't liberal. The neo-conservative politicians are the ones who always campaign to sacrifice civil liberties in order to stop the Islamic boogeyman.


starting an expensive war based on non-existent WMDs was not conservative
Again, it sure as hell isn't liberal. The conservative politicians are the ones who always campaign to start wars and are always the ones to fear monger.



:lol Ron Paul supporters in denial about what a modern-day conservative is

[Clipper Nation]

My point is that so-called "modern-day conservatives" aren't actually conservative at all and don't know what the word means, B...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

My point is that so-called "modern-day conservatives" aren't actually conservative at all and don't know what the word means, B...
They redefined what it means.

Sorry that you're heart broken about the fact your political party is controlled by war-mongering, deficit-spending bible beaters.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol IDGAF about who controls the GOP, I'm an independent, tbh...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The way your vigorously defending the honor of what it means to be a conservative, methinks you do care.

[Clipper Nation]

The way your vigorously defending the honor of what it means to be a conservative, methinks you do care.
I'm a libertarian conservative, doesn't mean I have to be in the GOP, B...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Oh neat we have another Wild Cobra on our hands.

[Wild Cobra]

Oh neat we have another Wild Cobra on our hands.
No, the Gods they broke the mold when they made me.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm sure Clipper Nation feels the same way about himself.