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Galileo
07-14-2012, 11:54 AM
Contrary to What You Have Heard, the Freeh Report has Big Problems by John Ziegler

1)

The most glaring omission in the report is that Freeh did speak to any of the primary witnesses in the case. Not Paterno. Not Tim Curley. Not Mike McQueary (whom he referred to as “McQuade” in the press conference). Not Jerry Sandusky.

How can any investigation possibly be considered remotely complete or come to any legitimate conclusions without even speaking to any of the most important witnesses?

How can we possibly fully evaluate Paterno’s actions if we don’t know exactly what Mike McQueary (who, it must be pointed out, misremembered the year he witnessed the episode in the shower, an incident for which there is still no actual victim) told him? How can we possibly understand fairly vague emails without even hearing from the guy who wrote them?

2)

Secondly, Freeh seems to promise far more in his press release/conclusions than he actually delivers in real evidence. Most of the media of course, at best, only read the summary and not the actual report. Thanks to that, it appears that most people have no idea that the real evidence backing up Freeh’s conclusions is, given the strong language he uses, remarkably thin.
The key pieces of new evidence (and frankly, maybe the only significant ones) against Paterno are two emails cited on pages 48 and 49 of the report which Freeh concludes are “clear" proof that Paterno was fully in the loop on the 1998 investigation of Sandusky which resulted in no criminal charges.

However, Freeh is grotesquely overstating his evidence.

A close examination of these two emails raises significant questions as to what they actually mean. The first email is from athletic director Curley to the university president with the subject line “Joe Paterno.” As far as we know, the only content of the email was “I have touched base with the coach. Keep us posted. Thanks.”

Based on this, Freeh concludes that because the email was sent after Curley knew of the investigation into Sandusky that Sandusky had to be the subject of their “touching base.” Even if this wasn’t a bit of an evidentiary leap (which it is), we have no idea what “touching base” really means and, again, Freeh has never even spoken to Curley to find out. The president didn’t even remember this email, which he referred to as a “vague reference with no individual named.”

The second email is just as problematic. In it Curley writes to the head of campus police, “anything new in this department? Coach is anxious to know where it stands.” Freeh writes, without any actual evidence that, “the reference to Coach is believed to be Paterno.” We are to assume that “is believed” really means “believed by Louis Freeh.”

3)

One of the most blatant errors in the report with regard to both facts as well as their interpretation comes with regard to the two Penn State janitors about whom Freeh spoke so glowingly at his press conference. Here Freeh exposes himself and his report to very credible charges of malpractice.

Freeh claims that two janitors saw something “horrific” in the Penn State locker room in 2000. He says that they didn’t report the episode because they were terrified of speaking of what they saw to Paterno because going up against the football program was like taking on the “President of the United States” and they feared being fired. Freeh then concludes that this fear proved that there was a “chilling effect” within the football program, which was, in it self, is evidence of a culture of corruption.

These assertions by Freeh are simply as laughable as they are inaccurate.

First of all, whether Freeh realizes it or not, his team has never spoken to the actual witness in the 2000 episode because the lone witness now has dementia. The other janitor who testified at trial did so under a hearsay exception and only told of what the other janitor told him. Secondly, neither janitor would have been reporting to Paterno. Thirdly, Sandusky was a former football coach at that time. Fourthly, Freeh seems to completely disregard the obvious reality that these janitors desperately need an explanation for why they didn’t report the episode and that their claiming “fear” of a now dead man (without a shred of evidence) should be looked at with great suspicion. Finally, it seems totally lost on Freeh that these janitors who didn’t report the episode at all are being treated by him as heroes while Paterno, who did at least report allegations which he didn’t even witness, is seen as a pedophile protector.

MORE:

http://www.johnziegler.com/editorials_details.asp?editorial=219

:lmao

101A
07-14-2012, 01:24 PM
Just checked Zieglar's Wikipedia page; predictably, though he didn't attend Penn State, he grew up in Pa - almost certainly a Penn State fan.

Blue tinged glasses.

Galileo
07-14-2012, 01:35 PM
Judge allows janitor’s hearsay evidence
http://www.lewistownsentinel.com/page/content.detail/id/535088.html

Hearsay is totally bogus and unreliable and unconstitutional, but the judge let it in anyway. A good way to railroad an innocent man.

Galileo
07-14-2012, 01:36 PM
Just checked Zieglar's Wikipedia page; predictably, though he didn't attend Penn State, he grew up in Pa - almost certainly a Penn State fan.

Blue tinged glasses.

That's great, just ignore the evidence and argue from some conjectural non-existent motive. The evidence speaks volumes. What are you trying to hide?

ChumpDumper
07-14-2012, 01:44 PM
Uh, is Rolf seriously defending Sandusky here?

Dude raped kids, Rolf.

Galileo
07-14-2012, 02:00 PM
Uh, is Rolf seriously defending Sandusky here?

Dude raped kids, Rolf.

No credible evidence exists to merit that conclusion. You always take the side of the government in every case. You probably thought Roger Clemens and John Edwards were guilty, too.

:married:

ChumpDumper
07-14-2012, 02:03 PM
I take the side of the eight boys who were raped and testified against Sandusky.

Why are you taking the pedophile's side?

TheProfessor
07-14-2012, 02:06 PM
Judge allows janitor’s hearsay evidence
http://www.lewistownsentinel.com/page/content.detail/id/535088.html

Hearsay is totally bogus and unreliable and unconstitutional, but the judge let it in anyway. A good way to railroad an innocent man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_utterance

So, no.

Galileo
07-14-2012, 02:15 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_utterance

So, no.

It is not a hearsay exception in this case. Either way, hearsay is bogus and not real evidence.

Galileo
07-14-2012, 02:16 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_utterance

So, no.

it was not an excited utterance either. He saw something and then told someone about it later.

Galileo
07-14-2012, 02:17 PM
I take the side of the eight boys who were raped and testified against Sandusky.

Why are you taking the pedophile's side?

An investigation was done in 2000 and nothing was found. The statue of limitations ran out.

Galileo
07-15-2012, 01:12 AM
Louis Freeh's report flaws troubling. Evidence of a "cover up" by Joe Paterno vague at best by Randy Potter

Probably the most abvious or glaring flaw in the report is the fact that Freeh did not interview any of the primary witnesses in the case. Not Paterno. Not Tim Curley. Not Mike McQueary. Not Jerry Sandusky. How can any investigation possibly be considered remotely complete or come to any legitimate conclusions without even speaking to any of the most important witnesses?

How can we possibly fully evaluate Paterno’s actions if we don’t know exactly what Mike McQueary (who, it must be pointed out, misremembered the year he witnessed the episode in the shower, an incident for which there is still no actual victim) told him? How can we possibly understand fairly vague emails without even hearing from the guy who wrote them?

http://www.pennpatriotblog.com/2012/07/louis-freehs-report-flaws-troubling.html

:-O surprise

Galileo
07-15-2012, 01:25 AM
Red flags and personal fouls: the dishonest hatchet job of the Freeh Report.

The Freeh Report was not an impartial investigation. In fact it wasn't an investigation at all. It was a prosecution and an unscrupulous one, that misrepresented,and distorted evidence where it existed, eliminated anything exculpatory, took facts that clearly meant one thing and distorted them to mean something else and ignored the truth in almost every circumstance and any fact that didnt fit with the premise.

http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/2012/07/red-flags-and-personal-fouls-dishonest.html#links?m=1

Juggity
07-15-2012, 04:34 AM
Hoping this thread was posted ironically.

Galileo
07-15-2012, 10:09 AM
Hoping this thread was posted ironically.

Paterno is innocent. No joke, bloke.

:lol