USA x Brazil tonight

[DPG21920]

Damn, I hope Tiago learns to play defense like Andy (plus Andy gets more respect from the refs too)

[DeadlyDynasty]

:lol"primate yell"

[ElNono]

Damn, I hope Tiago learns to play defense like Andy (plus Andy gets more respect from the refs too)

Andy has 8 NBA years under his belt... he's obviously more polished

[TE]

USA won't shoot this poorly again

[ElNono]

Machado rarely misses those 3 pointers...

[Obstructed_View]

They never show questionable calls that go in the US favor.

[DPG21920]

Andy has 8 NBA years under his belt... he's obviously more polished

Det's why I said I hope he learns tbh.

[Brazil]

:lmao carmelo

[Obstructed_View]

Lolbron.

[ElNono]

Det's why I said I hope he learns tbh.

I was agreeing, tbh

[DesignatedT]

Pretty embarrassing effort by team USA tonight tbqh imho fwiw

[Brazil]

usa missing a lot of dunks and layups

and varejao has still a lot left in the tank

[ElNono]

There goes that 50+ point winning margin...

[DPG21920]

Lebron Westbrook'd it.

[dougp]

Pretty embarrassing effort by team USA tonight tbqh imho fwiw

smh

[TE]

:lol USA playing so poorly on the offense end and Brazil still hasn't found a way to capitalize

[PingPong]

Machado rarely misses those 3 pointers...

Except under pressure... even at a friendly match.

:lol:lol:lol

[TE]

Pretty embarrassing effort by team USA tonight tbqh imho fwiw

I agree. It's been terrible.

[ElNono]

Except under pressure... even at a friendly.

:lol:lol:lol

I don't mind one bit, tbh :lol

[Brazil]

I was agreeing, tbh

take a room you too

[daslicer]

USA won't shoot this poorly again

Oh yes they will shoot poorly like this again considering they have no pure 3 point shooter besides Durant. The rest of this team is filled with streaky shooters their either going to be hot or cold.

[Brazil]

:lol USA playing so poorly on the offense end and Brazil still hasn't found a way to capitalize

yeah but USA put a good D pressure on this game tbh

[TE]

Oh yes they will shoot poorly like this again considering they have no pure 3 point shooter besides Durant. The rest of this team is filled with streaky shooters their either going to be hot or cold.

:lol

Have you even watched the game? USA has missed a plethora of open looks. That won't happen again.

[ElNono]

USA won't shoot this poorly again

If C:lolrmelo keeps shooting, they will :lol

[TE]

If C:lolrmelo keeps shooting, they will :lol

:lol

[Brazil]

DWill bitching about ref :lol

[TE]

The fuck is Deron Williams guarding huertas? Put Westbrook on him. Smh

[TE]

:lol huertas

[Brazil]

:lol usa

[daslicer]

:lol

Have you even watched the game? USA has missed a plethora of open looks. That won't happen again.

Again none of these guys are knock down open shooters except for Durant. I expect them to struggle with hitting open shots through out the olympics. Remember when the spurs choked in '04 against the Lakers because they clogged the paint and forced them to shoot open j's but nobody could hit. I expect the same thing to happen with team USA but they could still prevail because their athleticism is overwhelming for many teams to handle.

[ElNono]

K:lolbe taking shots

[Obstructed_View]

USA won't shoot this poorly again

I think I said that about the Spurs after game 2 of the WCF.

[Brazil]

:lol Lebron obliged to play his A game to help USA win a friendship game against Brazil of barbosa :lmao

[Obstructed_View]

:lol

Have you even watched the game? USA has missed a plethora of open looks. That won't happen again.

Open look =/= Good shot

[Brazil]

:lmao celebrating like a big play in the 4th of a game 7

[Obstructed_View]

:lol shake and bake airball.

[TE]

Again none of these guys are knock down open shooters except for Durant. I expect them to struggle with hitting open shots through out the olympics. Remember when the spurs choked in '04 against the Lakers because they clogged the paint and forced them to shoot open j's but nobody could hit. I expect the same thing to happen with team USA but they could still prevail because their athleticism is overwhelming for many teams to handle.

They won't shoot this poorly again.

End of story.

[DesignatedT]

They won't shoot this poorly again.

End of story.

I agree.

[TE]

Open look =/= Good shot

So what's a good look?

Contested shot = good shot ?

[Obstructed_View]

:lol 4 more years.

[ElNono]

Not M:lollo/K:lolbe = good shot

[Obstructed_View]

So what's a good look?

Contested shot = good shot ?

Three pointers, in the best of situations, are not high-percentage shots. It's sad that I have to explain it to you. Just because you're open doesn't mean you should shoot. Trying to get a layup or a dunk or draw a foul is a much more efficeint mode of offense, as is shooting on a kickout or a swing pass. A shot off the dribble is almost never a good shot.

[TE]

These refs let the most physical play go, but ticky tack shit is called :lol

[Obstructed_View]

Funny how the US team pulled away when they STOPPED shooting so many threes. How can that be, since the baskets are worth 50 percent less? :lol

[Obstructed_View]

These refs let the most physical play go, but ticky tack shit is called :lol

They didn't really manage the game well. Was this an international crew?

[ElNono]

well, hopefully a wake up call for Team USA.... I mean, Brazil is pretty good but Spain is better... there's no moral victories, but Brazil has to feel pretty good about this game...

[Seventyniner]

Did Obama call on Congress to pass some random bill? If not, it wasn't an official Obama appearance.

He did that at the Michigan State/UNC game on the aircraft carrier. Made me sick; just let the guys play without turning it into a political statement, preezy.

[TE]

Three pointers, in the best of situations, are not high-percentage shots. It's sad that I have to explain it to you. Just because you're open doesn't mean you should shoot. Trying to get a layup or a dunk or draw a foul is a much more efficeint mode of offense, as is shooting on a kickout or a swing pass. A shot off the dribble is almost never a good shot.

Right, but what can you do when a team packs the paint the majority of the game? Do you still bullrush and force things or do you take what's given to you? From the outset of this game, Brazil executed its defensive gameplan to perfection. It also helps they got the athleticism and physicality to make it tough.

I don't expect the perimeter players to shoot this poorly again. Also couple in the the blown dunks and alley-oops, this game should have easily been 20+. Only player I expect a duplicate performance from is Melo.

[Josepatches_]

Well,nothing new..... USA Team is not a dream team but they have LeBron. It should be enough.

[TE]

well, hopefully a wake up call for Team USA.... I mean, Brazil is pretty good but Spain is better... there's no moral victories, but Brazil has to feel pretty good about this game...

Spain has no huertas to rely on when the going gets tough.......

[Brazil]

Well,nothing new..... USA Team is not a dream team but they have LeBron. It should be enough.

thats a good summary

[SplitterHook]

Does anyone have the box score?

[SplitterHook]

Spain has no huertas to rely on when the going gets tough.......


They have Jose "Pounding the ball is an art" Calderon. :rollin

[ElNono]

Spain has no huertas to rely on when the going gets tough.......

They have Navarro and Gasol... they really have no "poor" ball handlers

[Obstructed_View]

Right, but what can you do when a team packs the paint the majority of the game? Do you still bullrush and force things or do you take what's given to you? From the outset of this game, Brazil executed its defensive gameplan to perfection. It also helps they got the athleticism and physicality to make it tough.

I don't expect the perimeter players to shoot this poorly again. Also couple in the the blown dunks and alley-oops, this game should have easily been 20+. Only player I expect a duplicate performance from is Melo.

Well, first off, Brazil wasn't packing the paint, and this wasn't the majority of the game, otherwise they'd have kept doing it and won the game. The US only settled for threes in the first quarter. There are a lot of things you can do instead of standing on the perimeter and shooting the ball. You can take a step closer to the basket and shoot the ball, which is a higher percentage shot than a three and still softens the defense. Defenses are happy to let you do that until you start making them. That outside-in strategy works on occasion, but it's not winning basketball. Ask any Spurs fan who's sat through the last six or seven years.

[Obstructed_View]

Does anyone have the box score?

If they do, I'm sure you'll find it.

[TE]

They have Navarro and Gasol... they really have no "poor" ball handlers

Navarro (team USA killer) isn't the same player he was in 08 and 10. He has and is currently battling injury. Pau Gasol throughout this summer has looked like a TOSB...if he keeps this going, I'm not to worried about him. Marc Gasol and Felipe alarm me. Garbajosa also looks pretty good as does that lull guy.


I think the only way to compete with Team USA is if a team runs the pick and roll religiously and effectively for a full 40. Also, team USA has to shit the bed (they almost did that tonight).

Brazil has the best chance for an upset because of how they play and the execution of their gameplan. It also helps that Huerta is a boss at being a pick and roll PG.

I don't think the US will come out flat like they did tonight.

[TE]

Well, first off, Brazil wasn't packing the paint, and this wasn't the majority of the game, otherwise they'd have kept doing it and won the game. The US only settled for threes in the first quarter. There are a lot of things you can do instead of standing on the perimeter and shooting the ball. You can take a step closer to the basket and shoot the ball, which is a higher percentage shot than a three and still softens the defense. Defenses are happy to let you do that until you start making them. That outside-in strategy works on occasion, but it's not winning basketball. Ask any Spurs fan who's sat through the last six or seven years.



Watch the game again and see how Brazil packed it in. If they didn't initially pack it in, they did so when the offensive player made movement. There were a lot of 1-1 sequences that fed into Brazil's gameplan. When a team USA player attempted a contested shot, there were at times 4 to 5 Brazilian players in position for easy defensive rebounding.

On the style of play you're referring to:
That style of play fizzles out when you rely on scrubs and above average players to produce when it matters. That's not necessarily so when you got bosses behind that three point line. They won't shoot this poorly again, trust me.

[SplitterHook]

If they do, I'm sure you'll find it.

Why are you so sure I'd find it?

Can you just post it?:downspin:

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Why are you so sure I'd find it?

Can you just post it?:downspin:
http://www.usabasketball.com/misc/12_mnt_exh_02_box.pdf

[ElNono]

Navarro (team USA killer) isn't the same player he was in 08 and 10. He has and is currently battling injury. Pau Gasol throughout this summer has looked like a TOSB...if he keeps this going, I'm not to worried about him. Marc Gasol and Felipe alarm me. Garbajosa also looks pretty good as does that lull guy.

Spain is just much better than Brazil. Huertas went to the bench and that #5 point guard couldn't handle the full court press. Barbosa almost single-handedly sinks them in a 5 min stretch where he thought he was a star.

Lull, Felipe, Rudy, both Gasols, Garbajosa, Calderon, Navarro... there's no major scrubs there. Could be that Navarro is dinged up, and could also be that Melo will start hitting everything.

Team USA will simply need a much better effort than tonight against a team like Spain. You also have to add that refs will stop blowing the whistle on the road.

[Obstructed_View]

Watch the game again and see how Brazil packed it in. If they didn't initially pack it in, they did so when the offensive player made movement. There were a lot of 1-1 sequences that fed into Brazil's gameplan. When a team USA player attempted a contested shot, there were at times 4 to 5 Brazilian players in position for easy defensive rebounding.

I don't have to go back and watch it again. If Brazil's defense is what got them the lead, then they would have stuck to it. The US team didn't suddenly start hitting threes in order to take over the game, they suddenly stopped shooting them.


On the style of play you're referring to:
That style of play fizzles out when you rely on scrubs and above average players to produce when it matters. That's not necessarily so when you got bosses on behind that three point line.
Uh, there are no great three point threats on team USA. All of them are streaky shooters, and sheer probability tells you that one of them is going to get hot on a given night. That style of play ALWAYS fizzles out when you rely on it, which is why team USA stopped relying on it and took over the game.


They won't shoot this poorly again, trust me.
Depends on whether or not they settle for threes from here on out. One would think they'd learned their lesson. If they keep trying to live on jumpers with no ball movement, I assure you they'll shoot this poorly again.

[TE]

Spain is just much better than Brazil. Huertas went to the bench and that #5 point guard couldn't handle the full court press. Barbosa almost single-handedly sinks them in a 5 min stretch where he thought he was a star.

Lull, Felipe, Rudy, both Gasols, Garbajosa, Calderon, Navarro... there's no major scrubs there. Could be that Navarro is dinged up, and could also be that Melo will start hitting everything.

Team USA will simply need a much better effort than tonight against a team like Spain. You also have to add that refs will stop blowing the whistle on the road.

Team USA will definitely need to play better. Spain will need to dump it inside and run the pick and roll (which gets a lot of open three point attempts). Navarro and co will need to duplicate the otherworldly perimeter shooting performances in the 08 Gold medal game to win...I honestly can't see that happening again when it matters.

I actually thought the officiating favored Brazil tonight but that's me being slightly subjective:lol

[SplitterHook]

http://www.usabasketball.com/misc/12_mnt_exh_02_box.pdf

thx my fellow grey user.

I love ya! :toast

[ElNono]

tbh, Team USA had more points in the paint than Brazil tonight... you just can't let other teams drill you with 50% shooting... that's says a lot of your defense. USA played a great defensive second quarter, but that was about it. You can't coast like that, especially when you're on the road and when a single loss knocks you out.

[TE]

I don't have to go back and watch it again. If Brazil's defense is what got them the lead, then they would have stuck to it. The US team didn't suddenly start hitting threes in order to take over the game, they suddenly stopped shooting them.


Uh, there are no great three point threats on team USA. All of them are streaky shooters, and sheer probability tells you that one of them is going to get hot on a given night. That style of play ALWAYS fizzles out when you rely on it, which is why team USA stopped relying on it and took over the game.


Depends on whether or not they settle for threes from here on out. One would think they'd learned their lesson. If they keep trying to live on jumpers with no ball movement, I assure you they'll shoot this poorly again.


Tbh, all these assertions are moot points at this juncture of the summer. We'll just have to wait and see how team USA responds when they face another formidable opponent attempting to execute a similar defensive gameplan.

If you expect Team USA to shoot 1/12 from three to start a game when it matters in Olympic pool play, more power to you.

I'm trying to look for a box score of the game but I can't find it. Can someone post the three point shooting percentage (along with the overall shooting percentage).

[guilhermercf]

The #5 PG, Raul Neto, is only 20 years old. He already have a good role in a playoff team in the spanish league. Actually we have better material, but he is being prepared for Rio 2016.

[LakerHater]

Wow jus lookin at that box, USA looks bad! If it werent for the TOs & fouls USA coulda lost!

[TE]

Nevermind, a poster just posted it. Let's take a look at it...

6/24 from three :lmao

That won't happen again. If coach K is every bit as rated as he is, he'll devise a gameplan to combat a defensive gameplan like Brazil's. That would mean potentially less three points attempts, I'll give you that...but no way do they shoot 25% again collectively.

[MmP]

That 2016 brazil team is gonna be a tough one.

[BRs.Ganso]

thanks to everybody who gave me happy birthday! hahaha :lol:lol

great game..! unfortunably Marquinhos did not play because he's injuried... he's our best SF, 2.07 nice ball-handler... he should guard LBJ this game.

[SplitterHook]

The #5 PG, Raul Neto, is only 20 years old. He already have a good role in a playoff team in the spanish league. Actually we have better material, but he is being prepared for Rio 2016.

yep. If this was an official game he would play at all. Huertas would play 35-38 minutes and Taylor would play the rest and a bit at the 2 behind barbosa and alex.

He committed 5 turnovers in 8 minutes, lol.

[Obstructed_View]

Tbh, all these assertions are moot points at this juncture of the summer. We'll just have to wait and see how team USA responds

Agreed, though it's ridiculous to assert that it's a "formidable gameplan" that caused them to sit out on the perimeter and jack up three pointer after three pointer. I will tell you absolutely and without a doubt that a team that does that WILL shoot poorly again. It's a mathematical certainty. What will prevent team USA from shooting like that again is not to settle for them in the first place. I'm with you that the coach won't allow that. Coach K was likely hoping for a teaching moment, and he probably got it.

[Obstructed_View]

Nevermind, a poster just posted it. Let's take a look at it...

6/24 from three :lmao

That won't happen again. If coach K is every bit as rated as he is, he'll devise a gameplan to combat a defensive gameplan like Brazil's. That would mean potentially less three points attempts, I'll give you that...but no way do they shoot 25% again collectively.

I thought Kobe hit two and Durant hit five of six. Whatever. Required one guy going absolutely torrid to keep them out of single digits. Terrible shooting, but terrible shooting comes from terrible shots more often than not.

[SplitterHook]

You gotta also add to the equation that Magnano didn't use the Zone yet. and he's great at Zone D.

Brazil wont beat USA in the Olympics even tho the zone would make things more difficult but USA players gonna have to shoot well against Spain's zone.

[disciple]

Funny how the US team pulled away when they STOPPED shooting so many threes. How can that be, since the baskets are worth 50 percent less? :lol

Where did you get your education? It's 1/3 less.

[Dex]

I kind of want to see this team drop one of these exhibition games. Not only would it be good to see them humbled a bit, but it would also put the appropriate fear into them for the Olympic tournament.

[DesignatedT]

11/24 from long range today against Great Britain.

[DesignatedT]

11/24 from long range today against Great Britain.

[Obstructed_View]

Where did you get your education? It's 1/3 less.

:lol