Elite QB's?

[Avante]

The more teams in the league the weaker the overall QB play is, there just aren't that many great QB's in the world at the same time.

Right now we have...

Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Eli
Peyton
Big Ben
Rivers

Romo???

It's looking like Newton will be a great one someday.

Sure you can win without that elite QB (Niners, Ravens) but you need so many other things working for you. Far easier to win with that great Qb.

The top 10 retired

1.Joe Montana
2.Brett Favre
3.John Elway
4.Dan Marino
5.Johnny Unitas
7.Otto Graham
8.Steve Young
9.Troy Aikman
10.Fran Tarkenton

I think Bradshaw/Starr just had great teams around them.

[Blake]

The more teams in the league the weaker the overall QB play is,

wut

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Romo being listed as an elite QB
:lol Favre ahead of Marino

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Sure you can win without that elite QB (Niners, Ravens)
:lol thinking those teams are proof you can win without an elite QB

[Monostradamus]

:lol rivers and big ben being called elite

[Avante]

wut

Think about it. What if there were only 16 teams. What do we have now?

[Avante]

:lol Romo being listed as an elite QB
:lol Favre ahead of Marino

You know what a..?...means?

How many Superbowls did Marino win? Wanna compare stats?

[Avante]

:lol rivers and big ben being called elite

Absolutely!!!!!!!

Do a little homework.

[Avante]

:lol thinking those teams are proof you can win without an elite QB

Both a couple plays away from meeting in the Superbowl. What's your idea of winning?

[Monostradamus]

Absolutely!!!!!!!

Do a little homework.

Big Ben was 10th in passer rating, 11th in touchdown passes, and in the top 10 in the league in INT's thrown. That's a decent QB, not an elite one.

Philip Rivers is even worse, he threw 20 INT's to finish 3rd in the league, which is something no elite QB does.

I admit tho that I didn't check either of their 100m times.

[Avante]

Big Ben was 10th in passer rating, 11th in touchdown passes, and in the top 10 in the league in INT's thrown. That's a decent QB, not an elite one.

Philip Rivers is even worse, he threw 20 INT's to finish 3rd in the league, which is something no elite QB does.

I admit tho that I didn't check either of their 100m times.

You don't look at "one" season you compare careers? Now try it again.

So tell me what former QB ran a 10.26 100m? You brought it up.

Check out Rivers career stats vs Eli's.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

What's your idea of winning?
Winning the superbowl.

[Avante]

Winning the superbowl.

Yep Jim Kelly sucked! Couldn't hold a candle to Trent Dilfer.

[Blake]

Think about it. What if there were only 16 teams. What do we have now?

if there were only 16 teams, the chances of another Montana/Young situation happening increase substantially.

[Avante]

if there were only 16 teams, the chances of another Montana/Young situation happening increase substantially.

Nobody cares about that.

The bottom line is that the more teams involved dilute the game. Simply common sense.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yep Jim Kelly sucked! Couldn't hold a candle to Trent Dilfer.
The last time a team with a non-elite QB won the superbowl was the 2002 season. In today's NFL, it's abundantly clear you need an elite QB to win a superbowl.

[Avante]

The last time a team with a non-elite QB won the superbowl was the 2002 season. In today's NFL, it's abundantly clear you need an elite QB to win a superbowl.

Stop it, ok? Everyone said how the Ravens should have beat the Pats, everyone! If Ted Ginn doesn't get hurt (why Williams was returnig kicks) there is a great chance the Niners beat the Giants. So it would have been the Harbaugh bowl. Stop acting like that wasn't what happened. So no you don't have to have that elite QB to win a SB.

[silverblk mystix]

The more teams in the league the weaker the overall QB play is, there just aren't that many great QB's in the world at the same time.

Right now we have...

Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Eli
Peyton
Big Ben
Rivers

Romo???

It's looking like Newton will be a great one someday.

Sure you can win without that elite QB (Niners, Ravens) but you need so many other things working for you. Far easier to win with that great Qb.

The top 10 retired

1.Joe Montana
2.Brett Favre
3.John Elway
4.Dan Marino
5.Johnny Unitas
7.Otto Graham
8.Steve Young
9.Troy Aikman
10.Fran Tarkenton

I think Bradshaw/Starr just had great teams around them.



I would place Roger Staubach somewhere on that top ten list.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Stop it, ok? Everyone said how the Ravens should have beat the Pats, everyone! If Ted Ginn doesn't get hurt (why Williams was returnig kicks) there is a great chance the Niners beat the Giants. So it would have been the Harbaugh bowl. Stop acting like that wasn't what happened. So no you don't have to have that elite QB to win a SB.
What happened was Tom Brady played Eli Manning in the superbowl.

[Avante]

I would place Roger Staubach somewhere on that top ten list.

Sorry bro, while I respect your opinion and yes Staubach was great and would be in the top 15...........................

[Fabbs]

:lol Favre ahead of Marino
Easily.
Marino was a selfish stat hound who did not have the intangible of getting teamates (o and d) to play hard for him.
I loved the guy in his record year in going to the Bowl.
Afterwords when he publicly demanded 1 buck more then Joe Montana got, he lost all kinds of people including teamates.

Favres comeback year that the cheating cheapshot Saints ended only by another of their cheapies blocked an epic year by old Farve. To go with his earlier Bowls.

[Blake]

Nobody cares about that.

The bottom line is that the more teams involved dilute the game. Simply common sense.

Explain how it dilutes the QB play

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I can see why it dilutes QB play.

In a team that had 16 teams, there wouldn't be a team with Kevin Kolb and John Skelton competing for a starting job.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Stop it, ok? Everyone said how the Ravens should have beat the Pats, everyone! If Ted Ginn doesn't get hurt (why Williams was returnig kicks) there is a great chance the Niners beat the Giants. So it would have been the Harbaugh bowl. Stop acting like that wasn't what happened. So no you don't have to have that elite QB to win a SB.


You can't have Alex Smith going 1/13 on 3rd down (with that 1 conversion being the final play when the Giants played everyone deep), and expect to win. QB/WR are what you need on O in today's game. If Elite Manning didn't step up the way he did with all those injuries, Giants would have been out of the playoff race in December. Game managing QB's don't work in today's game.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You can't have Alex Smith going 1/13 on 3rd down (with that 1 conversion being the final play when the Giants played everyone deep), and expect to win. QB/WR are what you need on O in today's game. If Elite Manning didn't step up the way he did with all those injuries, Giants would have been out of the playoff race in December. Game managing QB's don't work in today's game.
My nigga Daunte dropping truth bombs

[Avante]

Explain how it dilutes the QB play

What if we had the old AFL, or an 8 team league? Who would be the starters?

Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Big Ben
Drew Brees
Matthew Stafford

Now look at their backups

Far higher quality of play than we will see with 32 teams playing. I really had to explain something that obvious?

[Clipper Nation]

Philip Rivers is even worse, he threw 20 INT's to finish 3rd in the league, which is something no elite QB does.

He also played hurt all season, plus Brees threw 22 interceptions in 2010 yet is still called an elite QB.....

Aside from that, Rivers' career passer rating is still third-best all-time behind only Rodgers and Young, has led the league in YPA and adjusted YPA multiple times, led the league in passing yards the season before last, and holds the NFL record for most passing yards through the first eight games of the season.... anyone claiming that Rivers isn't elite clearly needs to check his stats, tbh...

[Clipper Nation]

Yep Jim Kelly sucked! Couldn't hold a candle to Trent Dilfer.

Says the person who also thinks Favre is better than Marino because of ring count :lol

[Blake]

What if we had the old AFL, or an 8 team league? Who would be the starters?

Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Big Ben
Drew Brees
Matthew Stafford

Now look at their backups

Far higher quality of play than we will see with 32 teams playing. I really had to explain something that obvious?

so the stats on average would be weaker.

Perhaps, but you'd have to also consider that the defenses would also be stacked.

Reading your posts are like deciphering hieroglyphics

[Will Hunting]

He also played hurt all season, plus Brees threw 22 interceptions in 2010 yet is still called an elite QB.....

Aside from that, Rivers' career passer rating is still third-best all-time behind only Rodgers and Young, has led the league in YPA and adjusted YPA multiple times, led the league in passing yards the season before last, and holds the NFL record for most passing yards through the first eight games of the season.... anyone claiming that Rivers isn't elite clearly needs to check his stats, tbh...
Chargerfan's butthurt is wicked pissah!

[Avante]

Says the person who also thinks Favre is better than Marino because of ring count :lol

Are you really as stupid a you act? There is far more to this than SB rings..HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is just..one...factor.

Then there's the fact that Favre simply out stated Marino. There is nothing that Marino did superior to what Favre accomplished.

[johnsmith]

Although I'm extremely biased, I have Elway right behind Montana. Elway single handidly willed some awful teams to a lot of winning seasons prior to getting an elite team and just steam rolling the NFL for 2 years.

[johnsmith]

I was a kid in the 80's watching Elway play, so some of my memories may be a little "over the top" about his performance, but dude was cold blooded.

[Avante]

so the stats on average would be weaker.

Perhaps, but you'd have to also consider that the defenses would also be stacked.

Reading your posts are like deciphering hieroglyphics

You had a hard time with that:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

How many great running backs are in the league right now? 32?

[johnsmith]

Also, as much as I fucking hate him, Jay Cutler will move to elite status this season when teamed back up with Marshall.

[Clipper Nation]

There is nothing that Marino did superior to what Favre accomplished.

Most games, 400 or more yards passing, Career: 13
Most Games, 400 or more yards passing, Season: 4 in 1984
Most 4th quarter comeback wins, career (playoffs included): 36
Most game-winning drives in the 4th quarter/overtime, career (playoffs included): 51
Most seasons leading league, pass attempts: 5 (1984, 1986, 1988, 1992, 1997)
Most seasons leading league, completions: 6 (1984–86, 1988, 1992, 1997)
Most seasons, 40 or more touchdown passes: 2 (1984, 1986)
100 TD passes in fewest number of games to start career: 44 (9/7/1986 at San Diego)
200 TD passes in fewest number of games to start career: 89 (9/17/1989 at New England)

[Avante]

You can't have Alex Smith going 1/13 on 3rd down (with that 1 conversion being the final play when the Giants played everyone deep), and expect to win. QB/WR are what you need on O in today's game. If Elite Manning didn't step up the way he did with all those injuries, Giants would have been out of the playoff race in December. Game managing QB's don't work in today's game.

Didn't Tebow make it to the championship game? Lee Evans catches that pass the Ravens win the game. Alex Smith did beat Eli last season and if the fumbler hadn't gave the game away he probably beats him again.

Wrong!!!

[Avante]

Also, as much as I fucking hate him, Jay Cutler will move to elite status this season when teamed back up with Marshall.

I agree!

[Lincoln]

:lmao Avante basing his arguments off hypotheticals. "what if?"

[Lincoln]

Didn't Tebow make it to the championship game? Lee Evans catches that pass the Ravens win the game. Alex Smith did beat Eli last season and if the fumbler hadn't gave the game away he probably beats him again.

Wrong!!!

The fact is Lee Evans DIDNT make the fucking catch and Williams fumbled like a choking pussy. So shut the fuck up and get over it. Alex smith is nothing more than a game manager and going 1/13 in the fucking NFC CHAMPIONSHIP game is not going to get it done. Dude has been a underachieving scrub his entire career and next season will be no different.

:lol 49ers
:lol fluke season
:lol having hope

[Avante]

Most games, 400 or more yards passing, Career: 13
Most Games, 400 or more yards passing, Season: 4 in 1984
Most 4th quarter comeback wins, career (playoffs included): 36
Most game-winning drives in the 4th quarter/overtime, career (playoffs included): 51
Most seasons leading league, pass attempts: 5 (1984, 1986, 1988, 1992, 1997)
Most seasons leading league, completions: 6 (1984–86, 1988, 1992, 1997)
Most seasons, 40 or more touchdown passes: 2 (1984, 1986)
100 TD passes in fewest number of games to start career: 44 (9/7/1986 at San Diego)
200 TD passes in fewest number of games to start career: 89 (9/17/1989 at New England)

Career

Favre 508TDs
Marino 420

Favre 71,838yards
Marino 61,361

Favre 62.0 completion %
Marino 59.4%

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Didn't Tebow make it to the championship game?
No. He lost in the divisional round.

[johnsmith]

Career

Favre 508TDs
Marino 420

Favre 71,838yards
Marino 61,361

Didn't Favre play in like 65 more games than Marino though?

[Clipper Nation]

Career

Favre 508TDs
Marino 420

Favre 71,838yards
Marino 61,361

Marino retired at age 37.... TOSBrett padded stats until he was 41 years old.....

[Avante]

:lmao Avante basing his arguments off hypotheticals. "what if?"

Hell I just talked about Ravens vs Pats...EL DUHO!!!!!!!!

Let me grab some coffee:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

[johnsmith]

Just looked it up. Favre played in 60 more regular season games than Marino. Sooooo, that argument about more Td's and yards is sorta shot.

[johnsmith]

Marino was hands down better than Favre.

Who would you rather have if starting a team? Rookie Favre, or Rookie Marino?

[Avante]

Didn't Favre play in like 65 more games than Marino though?

Look at their completion %.

[johnsmith]

I read that question in a magazine.....so I'm pretty much a historian.

[johnsmith]

Look at their completion %.

Marino was 59.4 and Favre was 62.

So really not enough of a difference to justify the argument. Plus, Favre played a chunk of his career in the "pass happy" era, Marino retired before that. Thus making Marino's career numbers all the more impressive.

Oh, and Marino was pretty much exclusively on a shitty team too.

[Avante]

Marino was hands down better than Favre.

Who would you rather have if starting a team? Rookie Favre, or Rookie Marino?

Favre had 14 seasons where he completed 60% or more of his passes.
Marino had 5.

[Avante]

I read that question in a magazine.....so I'm pretty much a historian.

If you were an historian you could tell us about the first QB the Dolphins ever drafted.

:king

[johnsmith]

Favre had 14 seasons where he completed 60% or more of his passes.
Marino had 5.

Ok, he also averaged almost 18 picks a season while Marino averaged just shy of 15.

See, I can cherry pick stats too.

I won't argue that Favre wasn't exceptional, because he was, for a long time too, but I believe Marino to just be a superior quarterback. Hell, Marino did all that and ran what was likely a 5.6 40.....so you know his quarterbacking skills were elite.

[Avante]

Marino was 59.4 and Favre was 62.

So really not enough of a difference to justify the argument. Plus, Favre played a chunk of his career in the "pass happy" era, Marino retired before that. Thus making Marino's career numbers all the more impressive.

Oh, and Marino was pretty much exclusively on a shitty team too.

How do we really argue this, how do you go wrong with those two?

[Clipper Nation]

By the way, Avante, I just realized you welched.... the agreement was no threads for a month, yet you started this thread....

:lol Welcher
:lol Racist
:lol Bible-thumper
:lol Loathed at 30+ forums

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Avante is a bible thumper? :lol

[johnsmith]

If you were an historian you could tell us about the first QB the Dolphins ever drafted.

:king

Rick Norton out of Kentucky, 1966.

Thank you Google.

[johnsmith]

How do we really argue this, how do you go wrong with those two?

I know. Which player never had an addiction to prescription painkillers?

Game, set, and match.

Marino wins.

[Clipper Nation]

It's a testing ground, a place where our souls either impress the almighty God or fall prey to the weems of Lucifer. The constant struggle between good and evil with our souls hanging in the balance. To overcome temptation, and accept Jesus Christ as our savior, that is the meaning of life. Without God there is no life.

Funny, I don't remember Jesus being cool with welching or dropping acid tbh....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Rick Norton out of Kentucky, 1966.

Thank you Google.
Holy shit, how did you know that random trivia question?!?!?!

You must want it all.

[johnsmith]

I just had a normal conversation with Avante.....I fell all "oh yuck".

[johnsmith]

Holy shit, how did you know that random trivia question?!?!?!

You must want it all.

:lol

[Avante]

The fact is Lee Evans DIDNT make the fucking catch and Williams fumbled like a choking pussy. So shut the fuck up and get over it. Alex smith is nothing more than a game manager and going 1/13 in the fucking NFC CHAMPIONSHIP game is not going to get it done. Dude has been a underachieving scrub his entire career and next season will be no different.

:lol 49ers
:lol fluke season
:lol having hope

But Evans didn't catch (losing the gsme) the pass and Williams did lose the game for them, why not try some fucking reality cocksucker? Why wallow around in a fantasy, prick.

The Niners have one of the top 3 defenses in the league, a stud back, a great TE, a slew of new receivers, a dynamic rookie in James out of Oregon and they play in the weakass NFC west. Now are you fucking stupid or just a moron?

[Blake]

You had a hard time with that:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

How many great running backs are in the league right now? 32?

Running backs?

Hieroglyphics.

[Avante]

running backs?

Hieroglyphics.

zoooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Welchvante carrying on like he didn't welch

[johnsmith]

But Evans didn't catch (losing the gsme) the pass and Williams did lose the game for them, why not try some fucking reality cocksucker? Why wallow around in a fantasy, prick.

The Niners have one of the top 3 defenses in the league, a stud back, a great TE, a slew of new receivers, a dynamic rookie in James out of Oregon and they play in the weakass NFC west. Now are you fucking stupid or just a moron?

I think the 49ers will be good again. However, the "williams did lose the game for them" is nonsense. Just like Norwood didn't lose the game for the Bills in the Super Bowl.

Had either team done their respective jobs correctly for the entire game, neither team would have put those individual players in the position to "lose the game". It was like how everyone was giving Tebow the credit for "winning the game" last season in Denver. The defense kept every one of those wins (except the Vikings game) a low scoring affair.

It's a team game, and your team lost.

[Avante]

By the way, Avante, I just realized you welched.... the agreement was no threads for a month, yet you started this thread....

:lol Welcher
:lol Racist
:lol Bible-thumper
:lol Loathed at 30+ forums

Obviously I was talking about the clubhouse.

Realist!

Not even close, I'm just a talented guy.

Loved at 28 forums, too smart for 2.

[Clipper Nation]

Obviously I was talking about the clubhouse.

I wasn't.... you welched, B....

:lol Welchvante
:lol WelchZon

[johnsmith]

I wasn't.... you welched, B....

:lol Welchvante
:lol WelchZon

My favorite was when you posted the grape juice picture. That made me lol.

[Avante]

Holy shit, how did you know that random trivia question?!?!?!

You must want it all.

Who was the first QB drafted out of Kentucky.:hat

[Avante]

I wasn't.... you welched, B....

:lol Welchvante
:lol WelchZon

I was:lobt2:

Here's the deal, be cool and realize I meant down there and I won't post a thread there. Keep this shit up and I will, since I'm already a welcher, got it?

[Clipper Nation]

Welch city, bitch....

[Avante]

Welch city, bitch....

Are you really this lame?

[johnsmith]

Who was the first QB drafted out of Kentucky.:hat

Blanda?

[Avante]

Blanda?

Google it!

Then tell me the first sprinter world ranked out of Kentucky.

[johnsmith]

Googled it!

No shit.

[johnsmith]

Google it!

Then tell me the first sprinter world ranked out of Kentucky.

Quit adding to your questions after they're already answered.

Also, my answer is "I don't give a fuck, I'm in the NFL forum".

[Avante]

No shit.

I meant....Google it! I already know.

[DontStopBelieving]

Elway:lol

Favre:lmao

Ahead of Marino:downspin:

[Blake]

Are you really this lame?

This thread is.

© Avante

[Clipper Nation]

I'm already a welcher, got it?

[johnsmith]

Elway:lol

Favre:lmao

Ahead of Marino:downspin:

I put Elway ahead of Marino. I'd argue that all day.....and have....a lot.

[johnsmith]

I'd put Favre however below Marino, Manning, Brady, Moon, and probably some others.

[Avante]

Quit adding to your questions after they're already answered.

Also, my answer is "I don't give a fuck, I'm in the NFL forum".

Why limit yourself, I don't.

[Avante]

I'd put Favre however below Marino, Manning, Brady, Moon, and probably some others.

You really do need to spend sometime actually looking at careers. Right now you look like a rookie.

[DontStopBelieving]

I bet Razon is one of those faggots who says Brady>Manning too :lol

[Lincoln]

Having time to post at 30 forums, fuckin loser :lol

[DontStopBelieving]

You really do need to spend sometime actually looking at careers. Right now you look like a rookie.

Agree on except Moon

[Clipper Nation]

Why limit yourself, I don't.


I'm already a welcher, got it?

[Clipper Nation]

You really do need to spend sometime actually looking at careers. Right now you look like a rookie.


I'm already a welcher, got it?

[Avante]

I bet Razon is one of those faggots who says Brady>Manning too :lol

You're the one talking about faggots slick, not me.

[Clipper Nation]

You're the one talking about faggots slick, not me.


I'm already a welcher, got it?

[Avante]

Having time to post at 30 forums, fuckin loser :lol

Unlike you I can talk about a lot of different topics. Not stuck on trying to talk football/video games/hair gels.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Agree on except Moon
:lol Tannehill
:lol Hartline
:lol Dolphins

[DontStopBelieving]

You're the one talking about faggots slick, not me.

Knew it:lol

[Clipper Nation]

Unlike you I can talk about a lot of different topics. Not stuck on trying to talk football/video games/hair gels.


I'm already a welcher, got it?

[johnsmith]

Why limit yourself, I don't.

I limit myself to things that interest me. I couldn't fucking care less about track and field history.


And from what I've seen, no one else on this site seems to either and yet you keep bringing it up.

[johnsmith]

Agree on except Moon

For whatever reason, I always combine Moon's CFL numbers, then he looks a fair bit better.

And color me shocked that you don't agree with Avante.

[johnsmith]

You really do need to spend sometime actually looking at careers. Right now you look like a rookie.

My guess is that most people here would agree with me and that you are in the minority.

You know, the minority....the people you hate.

[Avante]

I limit myself to things that interest me. I couldn't fucking care less about track and field history.


And from what I've seen, no one else on this site seems to either and yet you keep bringing it up.

Ok man just football.

[Avante]

My guess is that most people here would agree with me and that you are in the minority.

You know, the minority....the people you hate.

You don't know enought to have a strong opinion. Bone up!

Who do I hate?

[johnsmith]

Unlike you I can talk about a lot of different topics. Not stuck on trying to talk football/video games/hair gels.

My favorite part is that you think your topics are somehow more interesting to others than video games and hair gels.

You realize that what is important to some is not important to others right?

For instance, you think track and field is important, no one else on this entire site gives a fuck.

See?

[johnsmith]

You don't know enought to have a strong opinion. Bone up!

Who do I hate?

You hate Minorities.


I also know plenty, and like you, I have google right here at my fingertips.

[Avante]

My favorite part is that you think your topics are somehow more interesting to others than video games and hair gels.

You realize that what is important to some is not important to others right?

For instance, you think track and field is important, no one else on this entire site gives a fuck.

See?

I know track & field is important as we will see in a couple weeks.

Football has had soooooo many track athletes in the league, what a shame you don't know/care who they were/are? You do know that RG111 was a good college 400h hurdler....right?

[Avante]

You hate Minorities.


I also know plenty, and like you, I have google right here at my fingertips.

I hate minorities?

I don't need Google, you do.

[johnsmith]

[QUOTE=Avante;6033624]I know track & field is important as we will see in a couple weeks.
If it's only important every 4 years for a couple of weeks, it doesn't really fucking matter to me.
Football has had soooooo many track athletes in the league, k
what a shame you don't know/care who they were/are? Yes, that's quite a shame. Clearly I'm not living life to the fullest the way you are.
You do know that RG111 was a good college 400h hurdler....right? I know he was in track, and I know that I don't give a fuck.

[johnsmith]

I hate minorities?

I don't need Google, you do.

Says you.

[Avante]

[QUOTE] If it's only important every 4 years for a couple of weeks, it doesn't really fucking matter to me. k Yes, that's quite a shame. Clearly I'm not living life to the fullest the way you are. I know he was in track, and I know that I don't give a fuck.

Cool, stay simple.

[Avante]

Says you.

Anyone with half a brain can see I'm kneedeep into football/track. Chances are I also own books, magazines, spend time studying things, ya reckon:rolleyes

You just can't...dude knows his stuff...can you?

[Blake]

Anyone with half a brain can see I'm kneedeep into football/track. Chances are I also own books, magazines, spend time studying things, ya reckon:rolleyes

You just can't...dude knows his stuff...can you?

©Avante

[Avante]

©Avante


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Blake

[Clipper Nation]

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[Avante]

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[Clipper Nation]

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Avante

[Avante]

You really do need to start paying attention to things.

This is a whole different forum...honest!

[Clipper Nation]

And you're still the same old welcher....

[dirk4mvp]

in on the 5th page

[Avante]

And you're still the same old welcher....

Try knowing a bet, something you haven't done yet. You honestly are an idiot, no not silly internet shit I'm talking a legit idiot.

Starting right now I'm done with you, you are a waste of my time and too stupid to be interesting. I won't post threads down there because I do honor my word.

Good bye dummy!

[Clipper Nation]

Try knowing a bet, something you haven't done yet. You honestly are an idiot, no not silly internet shit I'm talking a legit idiot.

Starting right now I'm done with you, you are a waste of my time and too stupid to be interesting. I won't post threads down there because I do honor my word.

Good bye dummy!

:lol Meltdown

[Avante]

Everyone see this little shit above? Now watch as I lead him around like I was his pimp and he was my bitch. The guy has no self respect. Sad to watch.

[Blake]

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Blake

lol everyone