Shooting in Batman premiere?

[AussieFanKurt]

Only in America

RIP people who died

[Trainwreck2100]

you know who could have saved them?????????






















Batman

[AussieFanKurt]

Such a shit film

[Trainwreck2100]

I guess some men just want to watch the world burn.

[SA210]

Morons

[Trainwreck2100]

Shit sounded planned, they waited for a shootout scene to open fire and a witness was reporting tear gas

[Kai]

Holy fuck I'm reading the details. This shit is awful. Just terrible, I feel sick.

reddit thread (http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/wv2u3/massive_shooting_in_aurora_colorado/)

[IronMaxipad]

According to a witness the shooter was dressed in riot gear with a bullet proof vest, goggles, and dressed in all black. He had a shotgun and slowly walked up the steps shooting at people randomly.
he also had tear gas

50 hit 14 dead

He has explosives set up at his house.

live feed: http://www.9news.com/video/9newsonline.aspx

Baby shot in face point blank

[Trainwreck2100]

50 wounded not hit, no doubt some of those injuries are due to trampling

[MannyIsGod]

Only in America

RIP people who died

Only in America? Yeah murders never happen anywhere else. What a stupid thing to say.

[TE]

Only in America? Yeah murders never happen anywhere else. What a stupid thing to say.

Yeah, it's pretty stupid to say that tbh.

[TE]

On the incident: it's sad.

Only scum would conspire to do something like this.

[TE]

According to a witness the shooter was dressed in riot gear with a bullet proof vest, goggles, and dressed in all black. He had a shotgun and slowly walked up the steps shooting at people randomly.
he also had tear gas

50 hit 14 dead

He has explosives set up at his house.

live feed: http://www.9news.com/video/9newsonline.aspx

Baby shot in face point blank

Yep, 14 dead. Children involved according to that feed.


smh

[Venti Quattro]

Bane just got real. :wow

[Jacob1983]

What the fuck is wrong with people? Who does this shit? This is just completely pathetic and sad.


People just want to see Batman and enjoy it and you have some piece of shit terrible human do something like this. No excuses or sympathy in my opinion. I hope the shooter gets shat on then killed by some big bertha in prison.

[TE]

So the guy performed this shooting in a theatre?

[TE]

The guy on the feed right now is giving some pretty detailed eyewitness accounts

[IronMaxipad]

T7sIiqq66rk

[symple19]

Always fun waking up to shit like this.

[da_suns_fan]

Horrific. Just awful.

[Jacob1983]

Did the movie theater have any cops in the theater? There were probably a handful of cops at the one that I saw Batman at. Movie theaters should always have cops on duty because if some fucker tries to do shit like this, a cop or cops will take the fucker out.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Did the movie theater have any cops in the theater? There were probably a handful of cops at the one that I saw Batman at. Movie theaters should always have cops on duty because if some fucker tries to do shit like this, a cop or cops will take the fucker out.

dont most have security gaurds or crowd controllers, then again those guys are the useless fucks when challenge to a fight

[benefactor]

wtf

[da_suns_fan]

Gun advocates never want to admit the amount of damage one person can do thanks to semi-automatic weapons.

[mingus]

Hopefully everyone gets refunded.

[Jacob1983]

The workers and the victims at that movie theater are going to be scarred for life. Just a damn shame. All they wanted to do is just watch Batman fight Bane and some asshole said no and wanted to fuck up their movie experience.

[TE]

It takes someone with severe mental issues to conduct something like this.

[velik_m]

Did the movie theater have any cops in the theater? There were probably a handful of cops at the one that I saw Batman at. Movie theaters should always have cops on duty because if some fucker tries to do shit like this, a cop or cops will take the fucker out.

Don't worry, you'll have TSA checkpoints at movie theaters soon enough.

[AussieFanKurt]

Only in America? Yeah murders never happen anywhere else. What a stupid thing to say.

It's just a saying.. calm down

[benefactor]

Gun advocates never want to admit the amount of damage one person can do thanks to semi-automatic weapons.
:rolleyes

Here we go....

[redzero]

Such a shit film

:lol using this as an opportunity to bash this film and America
:lol forgetting about Martin Bryant

[AussieFanKurt]

:lol using this as an opportunity to bash this film and America
:lol forgetting about Martin Bryant

:lol trying to start an argument. I was merely starting a thread about it and stating a saying people around the world say, doesnt mean shit. Stop taking things so literally.

[TE]

:lol trying to start an argument. I was merely starting a thread about it and stating a saying people around the world say, doesnt mean shit. Stop taking things so literally.

I don't follow you around but in a lot of your more recent posts, therein lies some butthurt. Why lie?

[redzero]

:lol posting something like that and not expecting an argument to start
:lol even stupider than previously thought

[thispego]

Here come metal detectors at movie theaters

[leemajors]

Ban midnight movies!

[redzero]

Here come metal detectors at movie theaters

He went into the theater through an emergency exit, allegedly.

[Clipper Nation]

That's really sad and shocking tbh.... wow.... Who does something like that?

[AussieFanKurt]

That's really sad and shocking tbh.... wow.... Who does something like that?

I think it has to be something in their upbringing surely. Are people born bad or they are turned that way?

[Clipper Nation]

Don't worry, you'll have TSA checkpoints at movie theaters soon enough.

Sadly, you're probably right, tbh.... and I wouldn't even be surprised at a puritanical crackdown on the content of action movies, too....

[AussieFanKurt]

Sadly, you're probably right, tbh.... and I wouldn't even be surprised at a puritanical crackdown on the content of action movies, too....

I hope there isn't a crackdown because there is no way film and game content makes someone do things. I've seen a litany of action and thrillers etc. and haven't committed a crime.

[leemajors]

Sadly, you're probably right, tbh.... and I wouldn't even be surprised at a puritanical crackdown on the content of action movies, too....

And overzealous cops pepper spraying and beating people simply trying to take out their wallets.

[stxspurs]

Gun advocates never want to admit the amount of damage one person can do thanks to semi-automatic weapons.

Guns dont kill people.

[Clipper Nation]

Gun advocates never want to admit the amount of damage one person can do thanks to semi-automatic weapons.

Weren't all the victims unarmed? One could argue that if at least one other person were armed, the shooter may not have followed through with their plan...

[Clipper Nation]

I hope there isn't a crackdown because there is no way film and game content makes someone do things. I've seen a litany of action and thrillers etc. and haven't committed a crime.

Well, considering that after Columbine (and a couple other school shootings), the video game AND movie industries were dragged into a hearing about their content, I wouldn't be surprised if Congress did the same thing now.... and in the current neocon, Puritan, PC climate of our country, it would be a lot harsher on the movie industry....

[AussieFanKurt]

Well, considering that after Columbine (and a couple other school shootings), the video game AND movie industries were dragged into a hearing about their content, I wouldn't be surprised if Congress did the same thing now.... and in the current neocon, Puritan, PC climate of our country, it would be a lot harsher on the movie industry....

Yeah this is true. I just find it ridiculous though. It's just plain irrational. Someone doesn't see a violent film or game and just get up and think I'm gunna go slaughter people purely off it

[johnsmith]

I don't really see the point in making it a gun control or political issue quite yet. There will be plenty of time for that.

My only thoughts are that I had family members throughout the country that were seeing this movie at midnight. Most of them were nephews, nieces, cousins, and they are all teenaged or younger. I can't wrap my mind around how terrible it must be to wake up this morning and find out one of your friends or family was shot, or killed while just trying to enjoy themselves.

[silverblk mystix]

I remember when I saw this movie, Mrs. SBM and myself looked at each other and said, almost simultaneously;

Why the fuck would a director make this shit?
It seems irresponsible. Just wait until some idiot thinks it would be a cool thing to do.

SMH

VSRSoncoV4k

[DMC]

Holy shit I was in that theater on Monday.

[redzero]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JessicaRedfield/status/226189043078152192

Last tweet of a victim of the shootings.

[Darth_Pelican]

Kind of off topic, but what is a 3 month old doing at a midnight show??? That kid should be in bed. WTF parents???

[AussieFanKurt]

Kind of off topic, but what is a 3 month old doing at a midnight show??? That kid should be in bed. WTF parents???

was just thinking that

[djohn2oo8]

http://i.imgur.com/b2UMI.jpg

[djohn2oo8]

http://i.imgur.com/MNJ1T.png

[lefty]

lmao Charlton Heston

[Landon Donofag]

^ @dJohn that's just 4chan trolling

[Blake]

Sounds like that one scene from Inglorious Bastards

[redzero]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JessicaRedfield/status/226189043078152192

Last tweet of a victim of the shootings.

+ She narrowly avoided another shooting a month ago.

[thispego]

Kind of off topic, but what is a 3 month old doing at a midnight show??? That kid should be in bed. WTF parents???

Also, 3 yo watching Dark knight rises? Wtf parents? If they didn't already think it would be too violent for their little 3 year old they surely do now. :rolleyes

[leemajors]

If you have ever worked in a theater you become used to seeing small kids in any number of movies that make you shake your head.

[Capt Bringdown]

Chalk up another massacre for America's bloodthirsty gun culture.

[Darth_Pelican]

Also, 3 yo watching Dark knight rises? Wtf parents? If they didn't already think it would be too violent for their little 3 year old they surely do now. :rolleyes

It was a 3 month old baby, not a 3 year old kid, so the movie's content isn't relevant. The point is that the parents probably should have their 3 month old baby in bed between 12am - 3am.

[Glenn Holland]

Chalk up another massacre for America's bloodthirsty gun culture.
Bingo.

[leemajors]

Chalk up another massacre for America's bloodthirsty gun culture.

psycho kid has any number of other options to cause multiple people harm in this situation. he could just as easily have thrown a molotov cocktail, pipe bomb, etc after sneaking in an emergency exit. all way easier to do than getting hold of and concealing an automatic weapon.

[Libri]

I was told that one of the victims/wounded was from San Antonio. Can somebody confirm?

[Glenn Holland]

psycho kid has any number of other options to cause multiple people harm in this situation. he could just as easily have thrown a molotov cocktail, pipe bomb, etc after sneaking in an emergency exit. all way easier to do than getting hold of and concealing an automatic weapon.
But he and the many others in previous massacres didn't.

Try again, redneck.

[Blake]

It was a 3 month old baby, not a 3 year old kid, so the movie's content isn't relevant. The point is that the parents probably should have their 3 month old baby in bed between 12am - 3am.

babies don't have bed times, tbh

[lefty]

Who the fuck takes a 3 month old to a PG-13 rated movie ?

And at midnight ?


And how did the employees allow the parents to enter with a 3 month old ?

[Blake]

I was told that one of the victims/wounded was from San Antonio. Can somebody confirm?

They said on the radio this morning one of the girls used to be an intern at that radio station

[DMC]

Chalk up another massacre for America's bloodthirsty gun culture.

lol idiot

[NASpurs]

I was told that one of the victims/wounded was from San Antonio. Can somebody confirm?

http://www.ksat.com/news/SA-woman-killed-in-Colo-shooting/-/478452/15615996/-/q89pq5/-/index.html

[MannyIsGod]

Chalk up another massacre for America's bloodthirsty gun culture.

Chalk up another moronic comment from America's idiot culture.

Surely a guy who walks into a theater with the intention of killing a large amount of people would never have done harm without guns. Gasoline is hard to get ahold of.

But continue to make a stupid political point before those people are even cold.

[leemajors]

But he and the many others in previous massacres didn't.

Try again, redneck.

heaven forbid a person is to blame, peabrain.

[DMC]

It was a 3 month old baby, not a 3 year old kid, so the movie's content isn't relevant. The point is that the parents probably should have their 3 month old baby in bed between 12am - 3am.

Maybe let the bodies cool before all the second guessing motives of the victims? Just a thought.

[Capt Bringdown]

Paris premiere of new Batman movie canceled (http://www.salon.com/2012/07/20/paris_premiere_of_new_batman_movie_canceled/)

PARIS (AP) — The Paris premiere of the new Batman movie “The Dark Knight Rises” has been canceled after a gunman killed 12 people at a Colorado opening of the same film.

Workers were pulling down the red carpet display in front of a movie theater on the French capital’s famed Champs-Elysees Avenue on Friday afternoon. Some could be seen carrying away a large mask that had adorned the facade of the theater.

[DMC]

heaven forbid a person is to blame, peabrain.

It's best not to argue with the gun-ignorant crowd. I guess they believe spoons cause obesity.

[lefty]

Charlton Heston was a faggot



Guns woohoo !

[Clipper Nation]

Chalk up another massacre for America's bloodthirsty gun culture.

Amen.... while we're at it, let's ban cars because some people drive irresponsibly, alcohol because some people drink too much, and sex because it can spread STD's....

[MannyIsGod]

But he and the many others in previous massacres didn't.

Try again, redneck.

Yeah, mass murder started with the gun. Except it didn't. At all.

Try again, (random and likely stereotype associated with argument).

[lefty]

" Home of the Brave "



Right :lol

[silverblk mystix]

RIP to all the victims.

[Libri]

They said on the radio this morning one of the girls used to be an intern at that radio station


http://www.ksat.com/news/SA-woman-killed-in-Colo-shooting/-/478452/15615996/-/q89pq5/-/index.html

terrible

[blkroadrunners]

Amen.... while we're at it, let's ban cars because some people drive irresponsibly, alcohol because some people drink too much, and sex because it can spread STD's....

Just ban everything while we're at it, damnit.

[mrsmaalox]

It was a 3 month old baby, not a 3 year old kid, so the movie's content isn't relevant. The point is that the parents probably should have their 3 month old baby in bed between 12am - 3am.

Or at least in a quiet place! Hearing loss is cumulative, but exposure to the decibels in those kinds of movies can have a huge effect on such an immature auditory system, as well as immediate effects on the nervous system. Most prediatricians recommend "quiet" for the first 12 months. Gotta be one damn important event to take a risk like that.

[BlackSwordsMan]

" Home of the Brave "



Right :lol

Hey wetback now is not a time for your shitty one-liners.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Supposedly this Jessica chick from S.Antonio was heard crying on the floor by the gunman and he shot her in the face when he heard her and then he also shot a baby.

Pretty shitty.

[Lincoln]

So the gunman decided to flee and not do a murder-suicide? Damn, the details coming out in the next few days are going to be VERY intresting

[BlackSwordsMan]

There's a couple of videos on the evacuation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7sIiqq66rk

[Blake]

It's best not to argue with the gun-ignorant crowd. I guess they believe spoons cause obesity.

it's probably better not to argue with people that come up with lame leaps in logic.

[TE]

Or at least in a quiet place! Hearing loss is cumulative, but exposure to the decibels in those kinds of movies can have a huge effect on such an immature auditory system, as well as immediate effects on the nervous system. Most prediatricians recommend "quiet" for the first 12 months. Gotta be one damn important event to take a risk like that.

Or maybe it was just some really stupid mother.

[z0sa]

Only in America

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/07/25/timestopics/topics-breivik-1311607020083/topics-breivik-1311607020083-sfSpan.jpg

[DMC]

Why does every shooting turn into a gun control discussion?

Most of the people who initiate these discussions are not versed on existing gun laws. They have this caricature of reality in their minds where gun control is concerned, that laws that prohibit the purchase of firearms do away with firearms. They ignore that laws that prohibit the purchase of drugs don't do away with drugs. They ignore that murder is against the law, ergo a law abiding citizen, one who would obey the gun law, wouldn't go on a shooting spree anyhow. They ignore the fact that existing gun laws prohibit the sale of guns to convicted felons, but convicted felons have guns just the same. They make every event an issue of blaming a political party instead of dealing with the real reason these things happen, people are batshit crazy (no pun intended).

The world is full of crazy motherfuckers. That's been the case for a long, long time, and your personal security ultimately falls on you, not your congressman or even the police. Surely there were people in that theater that were for stronger gun control laws, and it's unlikely anyone there was carrying a concealed weapon (other than the shooter). When we are left to the whims of the billions of other people, our lives are always in danger. There's always going to be some recluse who spends too much time on fringe websites trying to make a name, someone who's been fucked with non stop his whole life who wants to get even. That's the underlying theme to most of these sprees. That much is obvious to anyone who cares to check it out, yet the online bullying continues and every day these momma's boys are stocking up for their grand coming out party, and when he happens, some internet gun control keyboard commando will rant about laws they don't even know already exist.

[boutons_deux]

Mass murders, American as Apple Pie.

[DMC]

Only in America

RIP people who died
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_%28Australia%29

Get around much?

[Glenn Holland]

Mass murders, American as Apple Pie.
/thread

[Blake]

Why does every shooting turn into a gun control discussion?


Probably because guns are only designed for one thing.

[DMC]

/thread
/troll
/mookie
/fat mexican

[xellos88330]

So now we will have to walk through metal detectors at movie theaters?

[DMC]

So now we will have to walk through metal detectors at movie theaters?

No, he came in through the back door. There are plenty places where people gather where scenes like that could unfold.

Theaters don't make enough money to be able to afford that level of security.

[mrsmaalox]

Or maybe it was just some really stupid mother.

Well I can't go so far as to call the mother stupid, it's just that some people have priorities/interests in their lives that some of us don't understand, and these comic book movies are the epitome of that for me personally :lol

But it's a terrible tragedy; not the parents' fault, not the movie's fault, not the gun's fault, just the fault of one severely disturbed person.

[jag]

" Home of the Brave "



Right :lol


You're such a worthless piece of shit

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:madrunthis shooting is an obvious liberal conspiracy to hurt Mitt Romney:madrun

[davidbowie]

just heard that fool peter burns on cnn talking about how he knew the sa chick heh

[da_suns_fan]

Guns dont kill people.

:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

Ok.

If that dude didnt have an AK 47, a shot gun and two hand guns, how does he kill 12 peeps and wound 38 others?

Think he smart enough to make a bomb? Because any idiot can use a gun.

[jag]

Why does every shooting turn into a gun control discussion?

Most of the people who initiate these discussions are not versed on existing gun laws. They have this caricature of reality in their minds where gun control is concerned, that laws that prohibit the purchase of firearms do away with firearms. They ignore that laws that prohibit the purchase of drugs don't do away with drugs. They ignore that murder is against the law, ergo a law abiding citizen, one who would obey the gun law, wouldn't go on a shooting spree anyhow. They ignore the fact that existing gun laws prohibit the sale of guns to convicted felons, but convicted felons have guns just the same. They make every event an issue of blaming a political party instead of dealing with the real reason these things happen, people are batshit crazy (no pun intended).

The world is full of crazy motherfuckers. That's been the case for a long, long time, and your personal security ultimately falls on you, not your congressman or even the police. Surely there were people in that theater that were for stronger gun control laws, and it's unlikely anyone there was carrying a concealed weapon (other than the shooter). When we are left to the whims of the billions of other people, our lives are always in danger. There's always going to be some recluse who spends too much time on fringe websites trying to make a name, someone who's been fucked with non stop his whole life who wants to get even. That's the underlying theme to most of these sprees. That much is obvious to anyone who cares to check it out, yet the online bullying continues and every day these momma's boys are stocking up for their grand coming out party, and when he happens, some internet gun control keyboard commando will rant about laws they don't even know already exist.

http://i.imgur.com/ZnqQ5.gif

[TE]

This thread is going political...

[da_suns_fan]

The asinine "bad guys will get guns anyway" argument makes me sick.

As if we shouldnt even TRY. As if making semi automatic weapons easily available doesnt infinitely increase the odds of shit like this happening.

[jag]

This thread is going political...

Between AussiefanKurt being full blown retarded and trainwreck trying to be funny, it's not like this thread was ever headed in a great direction.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Aussiefankurt and tdmvpdpoyrandomassurtmentofletters posts that make no sense whatsoever, I'm convinced Australia must be one stupid country.

[Drachen]

:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

Ok.

If that dude didnt have an AK 47, a shot gun and two hand guns, how does he kill 12 peeps and wound 38 others?

Think he smart enough to make a bomb? Because any idiot can use a gun.

Look, I agree that these events should prompt ever-further discussion of gun control topics, but I just have to correct you. His apartment is boobie trapped and they have cleared out blocks around it.

[djohn2oo8]

Heard someone might have let him in the back door. You don't just kick open a metal door.

[djohn2oo8]

*steel

[Clipper Nation]

The asinine "bad guys will get guns anyway" argument makes me sick.

As if we shouldnt even TRY. As if making semi automatic weapons easily available doesnt infinitely increase the odds of shit like this happening.
Actually, crime rates INCREASED when England instituted draconian gun laws....

[da_suns_fan]

Actually, crime rates INCREASED when England instituted draconian gun laws....

Is that right.....

Please link to last English mass shooting.

Thanks.

[MannyIsGod]

The asinine "bad guys will get guns anyway" argument makes me sick.

As if we shouldnt even TRY. As if making semi automatic weapons easily available doesnt infinitely increase the odds of shit like this happening.

Making murder illegal sure stopped this guy!

Is it known what type of gun(s) were used?

[Clipper Nation]

Proof of handgun crime increasing in Britain: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1440764.stm

[MannyIsGod]

Also, its not hard at all to make a bomb. You need a bottle, gas, and fire. Even something like a pipe bomb is stupid easy to make.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Ban midnight movies!

I can see that happening before metal detectors due to costs.

[Blake]

Making murder illegal sure stopped this guy!

Is it known what type of gun(s) were used?

The report I read said one of the guns was an assault rifle.

[leemajors]

:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

Ok.

If that dude didnt have an AK 47, a shot gun and two hand guns, how does he kill 12 peeps and wound 38 others?

Think he smart enough to make a bomb? Because any idiot can use a gun.

Section of pipe and match heads will do it. It's not hard. You could google others easily. Like posting here, you don't have to be smart to do it.

[Blake]

Also, its not hard at all to make a bomb. You need a bottle, gas, and fire. Even something like a pipe bomb is stupid easy to make.

I wonder why the gunman chose to use a gun over the stupid easy to make bomb

[da_suns_fan]

Making murder illegal sure stopped this guy!

Is it known what type of gun(s) were used?

Making guns available sure helped him out, didnt it?

[da_suns_fan]

I wonder why the gunman chose to use a gun over the stupid easy to make bomb

:lol

Exactly.

[leemajors]

Heard someone might have let him in the back door. You don't just kick open a metal door.

People leave those open all the time to take trash out the back. Not hard to tape the bar so it doesn't close.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Chalk up another massacre for America's bloodthirsty gun culture.

:jack lather rinse repeat

[jag]

Aussiefankurt and tdmvpdpoyrandomassurtmentofletters posts that make no sense whatsoever, I'm convinced Australia must be one stupid country.

Australia: The shithole the British sent their convicts to.

[da_suns_fan]

I wonder why the gunman chose to use a gun over the stupid easy to make bomb

Not to mention that all of these "dummy bombs" would probably kill him too.

This dude walked right out of the theater un-harmed.

[Clipper Nation]

Making guns available sure helped him out, didnt it?

If it turns out he got the guns illegally, then it wouldn't have mattered if guns were banned or not....

[FromWayDowntown]

just heard peter burns on cnn talking about how he knew the sa chick

Heard that too.

[Avante]

I would never go to a midnight movie. Nor go to a MiniMart, Get n' Go at 3am. You are asking for trouble. Too many crazies out there anymore.

As far as guns go, who other than the military/police need something other than a pistol/hunting rifle?

[da_suns_fan]

If it turns out he got the guns illegally, then it wouldn't have mattered if guns were banned or not....

We know he had two hand guns, a shot gun and a semi-automatic.

Which one is illegal?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Mass murders, American as Apple Pie.

Gfy infinitely

[cantthinkofanything]

If it turns out he got the guns illegally, then it wouldn't have mattered if guns were banned or not....

I'm not for gun control (total ban) by any means. But banning guns would presumably make it tougher for them to be obtained illegally as there would be less guns on the street.

[Clipper Nation]

We know he had two hand guns, a shot gun and a semi-automatic.

Which one is illegal?

Let me clarify: I mean illegal as in unlicensed and not purchased according to the legal procedures.....

[Clipper Nation]

I'm not for gun control by any means. But banning guns would presumably make it tougher for them to be obtained illegally as there would be less guns on the street.

Drugs are illegal and it's still easy for people to obtain them....

[jag]

I'm not for gun control (total ban) by any means. But banning guns would presumably make it tougher for them to be obtained illegally as there would be less guns on the street.

There's so much ignorance in this post. I don't even know where to start.

[leemajors]

I'm not for gun control (total ban) by any means. But banning guns would presumably make it tougher for them to be obtained illegally as there would be less guns on the street.

Yeah, this is working very well in the War on Drugs.

[da_suns_fan]

Let me clarify: I mean illegal as in unlicensed and not purchased according to the legal procedures.....

Are you suggesting that the current law(s) might have prevented him from obtaining these guns legally?

Because i seriously doubt it.

Besides, Jared Lee Loughner (last year) and the virginia tech kid bought their guns at a walmart IIRC.

[da_suns_fan]

Yeah, this is working very well in the War on Drugs.

Erroneous analogy.

How hard is it to make drugs?

Can you make and sell drugs from your home?

Can you trace drugs back to the manufacturer?

[cantthinkofanything]

Yeah, this is working very well in the War on Drugs.

I don't think it's even close to the same thing.
But I would think legalizing drugs would make it even easier for kids to get their hands on them.

[Clipper Nation]

Are you suggesting that the current law(s) might have prevented him from obtaining these guns legally?

You really don't get it, do you? To purchase a gun, any civilian has to go through a long, involved process that varies depending on state (usually involves an interview process and an application) and they can't operate said gun without a license....

Now we have no idea whether the shooter went through this process or not, but if he didn't, then stricter gun laws would not have prevented this tragedy....

[da_suns_fan]

You really don't get it, do you? To purchase a gun, any civilian has to go through a long, involved process that varies depending on state (usually involves an interview process and an application) and they can't operate said gun without a license....

Now we have no idea whether the shooter went through this process or not, but if he didn't, then stricter gun laws would not have prevented this tragedy....

Yet mass shooter after mass shooter has goes through each of these respective processes and comes out with one or more guns just fine.

[T Park]

Erroneous analogy.

How hard is it to make drugs?

Can you make and sell drugs from your home?

Can you trace drugs back to the manufacturer?

Actually you can trace drugs Mayor Bloomberg

[da_suns_fan]

http://flowtv.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/cho-guns.png

Bought guns legally.

[da_suns_fan]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_siQHssnQJek/TS4dh45V_SI/AAAAAAAABJo/tnh4ZqTAGlY/s400/6a00d8341c60bf53ef0147e1737061970b-400wi.jpg

Bought guns legally.

[cantthinkofanything]

If it turns out he got the guns illegally, then it wouldn't have mattered if guns were banned or not....


You really don't get it, do you? To purchase a gun, any civilian has to go through a long, involved process that varies depending on state (usually involves an interview process and an application) and they can't operate said gun without a license....

Now we have no idea whether the shooter went through this process or not, but if he didn't, then stricter gun laws would not have prevented this tragedy....

That's not the original point you were making. You said it wouldn't have mattered if guns were banned or not.

[Clipper Nation]

Maybe their states should change their standards and processes, then....

[DMC]

We know he had two hand guns, a shot gun and a semi-automatic.

Which one is illegal?


All of them as soon as they were used in a crime.

[da_suns_fan]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/CRIME/11/06/fort.hood.suspect.muslim/t1larg.hasan.courtesy.jpg


Bought gun legally at a "Guns Galore".

[Clipper Nation]

That's not the original point you were making. You said it wouldn't have mattered if guns were banned or not.

Yes it is the original point, actually.... IF the shooter got his guns illegally, stricter gun laws (i.e. an outright ban) would not have changed anything....

[DMC]

I'm not for drug control (total ban) by any means. But banning drugs would presumably make it tougher for them to be obtained illegally as there would be less drugs on the street.

[jag]

You really don't get it, do you? To purchase a gun, any civilian has to go through a long, involved process that varies depending on state (usually involves an interview process and an application) and they can't operate said gun without a license....

Now we have no idea whether the shooter went through this process or not, but if he didn't, then stricter gun laws would not have prevented this tragedy....

errr... I'm on the same side of the gun control argument as you are, but this isn't accurate. It varies so much from state to state, that there isn't a way to make an even semi-accurate generalized statement on the process to obtain a gun legally. Not only does it vary by state, it also varies depending on the type of firearm.

I have a few handguns, rifles and shotguns. The process for the first handgun I bought (at 21 years old) consisted of a short application and a 10 minute computer background check. I just browsed the store while they did the check.

[DMC]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_siQHssnQJek/TS4dh45V_SI/AAAAAAAABJo/tnh4ZqTAGlY/s400/6a00d8341c60bf53ef0147e1737061970b-400wi.jpg

Bought guns legally.
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/03-18-04/MCVEIGH.jpg

Bought fertilizer, nitromethane and rented a truck legally.

[Blake]

All of them as soon as they were used in a crime.

so all of those guns are now illegal to purchase?

probably not.

[Clipper Nation]

Again, maybe states should take a long hard look at the process they require prospective gun owners to go through tbh, but banning guns entirely across the board does not end gun crime (see: Britain) and prevents law-abiding people from excercising their constitutional right....

[davidbowie]

Heard that too.

don't you ever edit my posts again you got that!!!!! :ihit:ihit

[da_suns_fan]

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/imgLib/20110113_JIverlyVoong.jpg

Killed 13 in 2009.

A number of items were found on Wong's body, including a hunting knife, in the waistband of his pants;[13] a bag of ammunition, which was tied around his neck;[27] and two semi-automatic pistols (a .45-caliber Beretta Px4 Storm and a 9mm Beretta, matching the serial numbers on his New York State pistol license).[

[Blake]

Bought gun legally at a "Guns Galore".

there's actually a store called Guns Galore?

Smh

[Clipper Nation]

da_suns_fan, I see you have yet to address the FACT that after Britain banned handguns, handgun-related crime rates increased....

[DMC]

so all of those guns are now illegal to purchase?

probably not.
Those particular ones are. They are considered evidence and are in lockup.

It's still legal to purchase ammonium nitrate and nitromethane, despite the OKC bombing. I think Ryder trucks can still be rented as well.

[da_suns_fan]

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/03-18-04/MCVEIGH.jpg

Bought fertilizer, nitromethane and rented a truck legally.

So making the OKC bomb from fertilizer and buying a gun are just as easy?

[da_suns_fan]

there's actually a store called Guns Galore?

Smh

Yep.

[Drachen]

The drug control argument is just bad. You don't think that it would be substantially easier to get drugs if they were legal?

If you could go to Planet K right now, and all they had to do was get your name and do a quick background check (to make sure you aren't allergic or something) that would be easier. Then you might have pot delivery businesses pop up, maybe a joint venture with dominoes (2 large two topping pizzas for $5.99 each with your purchase of a quarter!).

[DMC]

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/imgLib/20110113_JIverlyVoong.jpg

Killed 13 in 2009.

A number of items were found on Wong's body, including a hunting knife, in the waistband of his pants;[13] a bag of ammunition, which was tied around his neck;[27] and two semi-automatic pistols (a .45-caliber Beretta Px4 Storm and a 9mm Beretta, matching the serial numbers on his New York State pistol license).[
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/04/30/netherlands.queen.car/
The story

Five people were killed Thursday after a man tried to attack the Dutch royal family during a Queen's Day celebration by crashing his car near the royal family's bus, Dutch police said.

The man had a LEGAL license to drive.

Ban cars.

[jag]

Again, maybe states should take a long hard look at the process they require prospective gun owners to go through tbh, but banning guns entirely across the board does not end gun crime (see: Britain) and prevents law-abiding people from excercising their constitutional right....

It's a difficult argument either way. To what degree do you deny the rights of law-abiding people to prevent the possibility of them doing something illegal? You could also be preventing law-abiding people from protecting themselves.

[da_suns_fan]

da_suns_fan, I see you have yet to address the FACT that after Britain banned handguns, handgun-related crime rates increased....

Conclusions form gun restrictions in UK are "murky" at best. Incidents are slightly up while deaths are down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

[Clipper Nation]

The drug control arguement is just bad. You don't think that it would be substantially easier to get drugs if they were legal?

Sure (not SUBSTANTIALLY easier though), but legalizing at least marijuana would also take a shitload of customers away from the black market by providing a safe, legal, convenient option to people who either need it for medicinal purposes or will just use it anyway tbh....

[DMC]

The drug control arguement is just bad. You don't think that it would be substantially easier to get drugs if they were legal?

Substantially? No. A person who goes through background checks and gets police chief permission to carry a firearm hasn't done so easily, and even that person can tweak off. Box cutters caused the deaths of 3000 people in the US and over a million world wide because of the hijackings of 9/11, yet I can still buy a box cutter at Home Depot and no one even cowers when I do.



If you could go to Planet K right now, and all they had to do was get your name and do a quick background check (to make sure you aren't allergic or something) that would be easier. Then you might have pot delivery businesses pop up, maybe a joint venture with dominoes (2 large two topping pizzas for $5.99 each with your purchase of a quarter!).
With the fines and punishment tied to possession, people still do it in big numbers. It's a banned substance.

The gun control argument has been defeated long ago, which is why even the liberals won't touch it.

[Clipper Nation]

Conclusions form gun restrictions in UK are "murky" at best. Incidents are slightly up while deaths are down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

You do realize that gun crimes that don't result in deaths are still very bad for society, right? The fact that incidents went up regardless of their outcome shows that banning handguns don't deter criminals from getting them and using them for a variety of criminal acts, tbh......

[Drachen]

It's a difficult argument either way. To what degree do you deny the rights of law-abiding people to prevent the possibility of them doing something illegal? You could also be preventing law-abiding people from protecting themselves.

This is actually the way I feel. I am conflicted on this issue, at best. I trend toward being a gun control advocate, but I can see both sides. I would probably be completely satisfied with making it incredibly hard to get a gun, maybe banning certain types of guns but not banning guns outright.

[jag]

Conclusions form gun restrictions in UK are "murky" at best. Incidents are slightly up while deaths are down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

:lol that's your argument for gun control?

[da_suns_fan]

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/04/30/netherlands.queen.car/
The story

Five people were killed Thursday after a man tried to attack the Dutch royal family during a Queen's Day celebration by crashing his car near the royal family's bus, Dutch police said.

The man had a LEGAL license to drive.

Ban cars.

A gun is infinitely more lethal than a car.

Dude couldnt have killed 13 and wound 30 in the theater with his CAR, could he?

And a car has a practical purpose besides killing people.

Try again.

[Spurs da champs]

The question is how much more unneeded death & violence needs to occur, before these idiots realize new ultra strict gun laws need to be put into place?

[T Park]

You take away the guns they go to knives, you take those away they go to home made bombs.


Crazy finds a way to be crazy. These utopian arguments of "if we ban em everything will be fine" have never held water and have always hurt more legal law abiders than the criminals.

[Clipper Nation]

And a car has a practical purpose besides killing people.


So does a gun: self-defense... (also, hunting, depending on the type of gun...)

[Blake]

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/04/30/netherlands.queen.car/
The story

Five people were killed Thursday after a man tried to attack the Dutch royal family during a Queen's Day celebration by crashing his car near the royal family's bus, Dutch police said.

The man had a LEGAL license to drive.

Ban cars.

Cars basic use is transportation.

What good reason is there for the average citizen to be able to purchase an assault rifle?

[jag]

The question is how much more unneeded death & violence needs to occur, before these idiots realize new ultra strict gun laws need to be put into place?

Thanks for chiming in. Strong, thought provoking stuff.

[da_suns_fan]

The overall homicide rates per 100,000 (regardless of weapon type) reported by the United Nations for 1999 were 4.55 for the U.S. and 1.45 in England and Wales.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

[Bill_Brasky]

Why the FUCK would you wanna ban guns when we share a fucking border with MEXICO the most violent fuckin place on earth. Go fuck yourself, you aren't taking my guns.

[da_suns_fan]

You take away the guns they go to knives, you take those away they go to home made bombs.


Crazy finds a way to be crazy. These utopian arguments of "if we ban em everything will be fine" have never held water and have always hurt more legal law abiders than the criminals.


:lol:lol:lol

Try killing 13 peeps with a knife and injuring 30 others.

[Clipper Nation]

The overall homicide rates per 100,000 (regardless of weapon type) reported by the United Nations for 1999 were 4.55 for the U.S. and 1.45 in England and Wales.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

Your argument loses credibility at "regardless of weapon type", B... we're talking about guns only....

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Who'd have ever imagined by page 5 the discussion would be where it is now

[Clipper Nation]

:lol:lol:lol

Try killing 13 peeps with a knife and injuring 30 others.

One death is too many, so why aren't you arguing for knife control, B?

[DMC]

The question is how much more unneeded death & violence needs to occur, before these idiots realize new ultra strict gun laws need to be put into place?

Something called the 2nd Amendment stands there to protect the rest of us from knee jerk idiots like you.

Had everyone in the theater been armed, that guy wouldn't have attacked in the 1st place. They attack the weakest.

Your answer: take guns from the law abiding (the only people laws affect) so they cannot protect themselves from the criminals (those who don't care about the laws).

A person who wants to kill everyone including themselves isn't going to get a background check. They are going to find a way to get a gun or construct a bomb or poison the drinking system or burn a place to the ground. They aren't hindered by the laws. Laws only come into effect after the fact, just ask the families of the victims of any crime, how much the law protected them.

[Bill_Brasky]

A gun is infinitely more lethal than a car.

Dude couldnt have killed 13 and wound 30 in the theater with his CAR, could he?

And a car has a practical purpose besides killing people.

Try again.

Yeah you can try to argue your liberal pussy bullshit till you're blue in the face but that guy woulda got guns legally or otherwise seeing as how we share a border with some of the biggest drug/gun smugglers in the world.

Plus, second amendment. Not taking guns away. Pointless to even suggest.

[da_suns_fan]

One death is too many, so why aren't you arguing for knife control, B?

Because a gun is infinitely more lethal than a knife.

[Blake]

So does a gun: self-defense... (also, hunting, depending on the type of gun...)

The practical purpose there being to fatally wound.

Unless you are cantthinkofanything that shoots the knee cap.

[Clipper Nation]

Who'd have ever imagined by page 5 the discussion would be where it is now

Well, this tends to happen when gun control supporters rush to politicize a tragedy....

[Spurs da champs]

And enough with this he must have a 'mental' issue, cannot it not be that some people just enjoy this shit?

[jag]

:lol:lol:lol

Try killing 13 peeps with a knife and injuring 30 others.

You read the "bomb" part, right?

[Drachen]

Something called the 2nd Amendment stands there to protect the rest of us from knee jerk idiots like you.

Had everyone in the theater been armed, that guy wouldn't have attacked in the 1st place. They attack the weakest.

.

Untrue, in fact, I believe that he was prepared for someone to be armed due to the protective gear he was wearing. Also, he didn't kill himself

[da_suns_fan]

S
Had everyone in the theater been armed, that guy wouldn't have attacked in the 1st place. They attack the weakest.


Debunked when gun carrying by-standers failed to shoot Jared Lee Lougher. This was well documented.

He got tackled by someone without a gun while he was reloading.

Try again.

[Clipper Nation]

And enough with this he must have a 'mental' issue, cannot it not be that some people just enjoy this shit?

One would have to have severe mental problems in the first place to enjoy killing people, tbh.....

[VBM]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/483965_10151937035740072_1249950539_n.jpg

Don't care what side of the gun issue you're on, :lol at the NRA's sense of timing

[da_suns_fan]

Well, this tends to happen when gun control supporters rush to politicize a tragedy....

Um...when SHOULD we politicize it?

When is it okay to say "Guns are way too fucking lethal to let the general public have and leads scores of innocent people getting murdered when theyre at the movie theater, supermarket or even school?"

Because youre certainly not allowed to say it immediately following the incidents themselves.

[cantthinkofanything]

The practical purpose there being to fatally wound.

Unless you are cantthinkofanything that shoots the knee cap.

It's called Threat Neutralization Training. I'd be happy to discuss it again with you but I'm not sure it's relevant to this thread.

[da_suns_fan]

You read the "bomb" part, right?

Why didnt he use a bomb if theyre the same thing?

If its just as easy to get, conceal, use etc, why do these punks keep sticking with guns?

Maybe cuz theyre afraid they'd blow themselves up in the process? Maybe because you cant walk into a walmart and buy a pre-assembled bomb?

[DMC]

Debunked when gun carrying by-standers failed to shoot Jared Lee Lougher. This was well documented.

He got tackled by someone without a gun while he was reloading.

Try again.

Notice he didn't attack a police station.

You shouldn't own a gun. Just call the cops, you know, people with guns, to defend you. That worked great in the theater.

[da_suns_fan]

It's called Threat Neutralization Training. I'd be happy to discuss it again with you but I'm not sure it's relevant to this thread.

Those "threats" watching the batman movie sure were "neutralized", huh?

Douche bag.

Youre fucking double-speak would make George Orwell proud.

[jag]

A lot of people that call for an outright ban in guns are not taking into account the number of guns already in circulation. It would be 60-70 years before guns would really start to be rare. And that's only with cooperation from gun manufacturers, and assuming guns aren't pouring in from Mexico. What was done with Class III firearms is not practical with semi-autos, shotguns, or handguns.

[DMC]

Why didnt he use a bomb if theyre the same thing?

If its just as easy to get, conceal, use etc, why do these punks keep sticking with guns?

Maybe cuz theyre afraid they'd blow themselves up in the process? Maybe because you cant walk into a walmart and buy a pre-assembled bomb?
http://www.tannerite.com/

I've had it shipped to my home and I have video of it being mixed (it's a binary) and detonating at a distance.

No special permit was needed until it's mixed, and only then if you transport it.

[Bill_Brasky]

A lot of people that call for an outright ban in guns are not taking into account the number of guns already in circulation. It would be 60-70 years before guns would really start to be rare. And that's only with cooperation from gun manufacturers, and assuming guns aren't pouring in from Mexico. What was done with Class III firearms is not practical with semi-autos, shotguns, or handguns.

They also ignore that the second amendment exists.

[Blake]

Had everyone in the theater been armed, that guy wouldn't have attacked in the 1st place. They attack the weakest.

Your answer: take guns from the law abiding (the only people laws affect) so they cannot protect themselves from the criminals (those who don't care about the laws).


if only the weak, three month old baby had been armed to protect himself.

[da_suns_fan]

A lot of people that call for an outright ban in guns are not taking into account the number of guns already in circulation. It would be 60-70 years before guns would really start to be rare. And that's only with cooperation from gun manufacturers, and assuming guns aren't pouring in from Mexico. What was done with Class III firearms is not practical with semi-autos, shotguns, or handguns.

Guess we shouldnt even try then, huh?

Just gotta hope you get lucky and no psycho is going where youre going.

[da_suns_fan]

if only the weak, three month old baby had been armed to protect himself.

Well fucking said.

[jag]

Why didnt he use a bomb if theyre the same thing?

If its just as easy to get, conceal, use etc, why do these punks keep sticking with guns?

Maybe cuz theyre afraid they'd blow themselves up in the process? Maybe because you cant walk into a walmart and buy a pre-assembled bomb?

Would you really like me to provide a list of bombings that have occurred nationwide and worldwide?

[T Park]

:lol:lol:lol

Try killing 13 peeps with a knife and injuring 30 others.


If it were up to you and no one had something to fight back with, it would be possible.


Glad that though you can laugh about this.

[Spurs da champs]

One would have to have severe mental problems in the first place to enjoy killing people, tbh.....
Not necessarily, apparently he was on his way to a ph.d before he dropped out.
Obviously these 'mental problems' didn't hinder him planning it, it was obviously premeditated with the tear gas, being dressed in all black & big guns, I doubt an insane person would be capable of devising a plan of that sort.

[jag]

Guess we shouldnt even try then, huh?

Just gotta hope you get lucky and no psycho is going where youre going.

Are you actually processing the information you read? Please tell me how you would like to "try".

[Bill_Brasky]

Guess we shouldnt even try then, huh?

Just gotta hope you get lucky and no psycho is going where youre going.

Maybe you should move to Europe. Problem solved.

[Drachen]

Would you really like me to provide a list of bombings that have occurred nationwide and worldwide?

I think to make it useful (i.e. to negate his point), you would have to provide that list right next to a list of all the gun shootings worldwide in the same time frame, and that the former list would have to be longer than the latter.

[jag]

if only the weak, three month old baby had been armed to protect himself.
:lol

[da_suns_fan]

http://www.tannerite.com/

I've had it shipped to my home and I have video of it being mixed (it's a binary) and detonating at a distance.

No special permit was needed until it's mixed, and only then if you transport it.

Cant kill a bunch of people with white powder in a plastic jug.

You just admitted you have to mix it, get a detonator etc.

Screw that. Just buy a gun!! Not only do you have to do zero construction, but you dont get "one chance" to kill your target. :lol

Try again.

[NASCARdad]

Damn, where is person with a concealed gun permit when you need one. Sucks that this idiot got off so many shots.

[DMC]

if only the weak, three month old baby had been armed to protect himself.
That's a stupid response. You're obviously out of ammo here.

[Drachen]

Damn, where is person with a concealed gun permit when you need one. Sucks that this idiot got off so many shots.

He planned ahead for this possibility, he was wearing protective gear.

[da_suns_fan]

Maybe you should move to Europe. Problem solved.

Argument of choice for people without a brain.

Guess that baby should have moved to Europe, huh? And the six year old.

Should have lived in France if she didnt want to be capped in the movie theater.

[Koolaid_Man]

Only in America

RIP people who died

I wonder what Gangsta rapper this white kid was listening to....better yet I wonder what ghetto hood he grew up in. White kids never cease to amaze me with this type of shit...and they label us the thugs while they're trying to promote fear of a black planet.

[DMC]

Cant kill a bunch of people with white powder in a plastic jug.

You just admitted you have to mix it, get a detonator etc.

Screw that. Just buy a gun!! Not only do you have to do zero construction, but you dont get "one chance" to kill your target. :lol

Try again.

No, you don't get a detonator. He could have mixed it at home, idiot. It's set off by a supersonic expansion of material, and that can be accomplished in many ways.

So, a bomb isn't hard to make or get. Just see the Iraq car bombings as an example.

If you bomb the place, you kill them all, and you aren't there to be arrested. Just ask McVeigh.

[jag]

I think to make it useful (i.e. to negate his point), you would have to provide that list right next to a list of all the gun shootings worldwide in the same time frame, and that the former list would have to be longer than the latter.

Gun deaths vs bombing deaths would actually be an interesting thing to research. I don't think people realize the number of bombings that occur every single month all over the world. And the damage the do is child's play compared to bullets.

[da_suns_fan]

That's a stupid response. You're obviously out of ammo here.

It was a great response and you guys have failed to answer it.

What are children suppose to do? Are they suppose to own guns too since thats our only defense against psychos with guns?

[VBM]

Damn, where is person with a concealed gun permit when you need one. Sucks that this idiot got off so many shots.

My only concern would be more people firing off shots in a dark theater. No telling if the lights had come on or not when the shooter was taking shots.

[NASCARdad]

He planned ahead for this possibility, he was wearing protective gear.

Yeah he was. I see guys wearing pistols all the time in HEB.

[leemajors]

The drug control argument is just bad. You don't think that it would be substantially easier to get drugs if they were legal?

If you could go to Planet K right now, and all they had to do was get your name and do a quick background check (to make sure you aren't allergic or something) that would be easier. Then you might have pot delivery businesses pop up, maybe a joint venture with dominoes (2 large two topping pizzas for $5.99 each with your purchase of a quarter!).

Two prohibitions have unfortunately caused much, much bigger problems than those they were intended to stop. I don't see why prohibiting guns would be any different.

[Heath Ledger]

da_suns_fan, I see you have yet to address the FACT that after Britain banned handguns, handgun-related crime rates increased....

Not to mention violent crimes with knives and swords skyrocketed. So much so that they instituted a ban on most swords and many styles knives.

If the bad guys cant access guns they will find something else to do their mayhem period.

[DMC]

He planned ahead for this possibility, he was wearing protective gear.
Even with protective gear, a person cannot concentrate on killing if he's being shot at.

Defend yourself or die. It's coming to that. I can read here and see who the victims would be.

[da_suns_fan]

No, you don't get a detonator. He could have mixed it at home, idiot. It's set off by a supersonic expansion of material, and that can be accomplished in many ways.

So, a bomb isn't hard to make or get. Just see the Iraq car bombings as an example.

If you bomb the place, you kill them all, and you aren't there to be arrested. Just ask McVeigh.

1. McVeigh was arrested, tried, executed.

2. Dude last night wasnt worried about getting caught. Didnt even resist arrest.

3. If its so simple, how come guns are the weapon of choice for mass murderers? Why arent bombs being used?

[jag]

My only concern would be more people firing off shots in a dark theater. No telling if the lights had come on or not when the shooter was taking shots.

Yeah, wouldnt want someone to accidentally get shot in there... oh wait

[DMC]

Yeah he was. I see guys wearing pistols all the time in HEB.
In Texas? Must be cops. Open carry is prohibited in Texas. It's also prohibited in Colorado.

[da_suns_fan]

Not to mention violent crimes with knives and swords skyrocketed. So much so that they instituted a ban on most swords and many styles knives.

If the bad guys cant access guns they will find something else to do their mayhem period.

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

How many peeps could psycho boy killed last night with his SWORD?

One? Maybe two?

12 killed. 30 plus wounded.

GUNS >>>>>>>> Swords.

This is why we dont use castles anymore, bud.

[DMC]

My only concern would be more people firing off shots in a dark theater. No telling if the lights had come on or not when the shooter was taking shots.
No. If someone has me cornered and it sending lead my way, I'm sending it back. I'll debrief afterward and apologize to the family of anyone who wasn't carrying.

[DMC]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

How many peeps could psycho boy killed last night with his SWORD?

One? Maybe two?

12 killed. 30 plus wounded.

GUNS >>>>>>>> Swords.

This is why we dont use castles anymore, bud.
So it's a numbers game. One or two is acceptable. Got it.

[jag]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

How many peeps could psycho boy killed last night with his SWORD?

One? Maybe two?



Well that depends on how skilled he was with his sword. What's up with the smileys, brah?

[Clipper Nation]

Not to mention violent crimes with knives and swords skyrocketed. So much so that they instituted a ban on most swords and many styles knives.

If the bad guys cant access guns they will find something else to do their mayhem period.

THIS.... ultimately, the biggest problem with gun crime isn't the guns, it's the fucked-up individuals using them, and that mentality doesn't change if they use a knife or a sword or any other weapon instead....

[Blake]

That's a stupid response. You're obviously out of ammo here.

Right, it was a stupid response to a retarded hypothetical.

[DMC]

It was a great response and you guys have failed to answer it.

What are children suppose to do? Are they suppose to own guns too since thats our only defense against psychos with guns?

If you're afraid to protect your child, he was fucked from birth already.

[DMC]

Right, it was a stupid response to a retarded hypothetical.

No, it was a stupid responsePERIOD

How does the baby fend for itself anywhere?

[da_suns_fan]

So it's a numbers game. One or two is acceptable. Got it.

Its about how dangerous a weapon is to the general public. How inherently lethal is the weapon.

See, I have a brain. I can understand that not all weapons are just as easy to kill with.

You obviously cant understand that a gun is infinitely more dangerous and easier to kill with than a fucking SWORD.

Im pretty sure pyscho doesnt even try his stunt if all he's got is a sword.

[Bill_Brasky]

Argument of choice for people without a brain.

Guess that baby should have moved to Europe, huh? And the six year old.

Should have lived in France if she didnt want to be capped in the movie theater.

Yeah, they should have if they wanted to get shanked instead of shot. But I'm sure they would have grown up to be law abiding adults that appreciate that they have the right to defend themselves.

[jag]

You give someone a few years to train with a sword, and they'd rack up some serious numbers in a crowded, dark room.

[da_suns_fan]

If you're afraid to protect your child, he was fucked from birth already.

Right, those parents should have been packing heat if they were concerned about the safety of their three month old baby.

What a clown.

[Bill_Brasky]

Its about how dangerous a weapon is to the general public. How inherently lethal is the weapon.

See, I have a brain. I can understand that not all weapons are just as easy to kill with.

You obviously cant understand that a gun is infinitely more dangerous and easier to kill with than a fucking SWORD.

Im pretty sure pyscho doesnt even try his stunt if all he's got is a sword.

No, you DON'T have a brain if you think that criminals will follow the law if guns are banned.

[Bill_Brasky]

Right, those parents should have been packing heat if they were concerned about the safety of their three month old baby.

What a clown.

They took a fucking BABY to a violent movie at midnight. Great parents.

[Koolaid_Man]

We need to put a stop to this entitlement mindset by those in the majority....what are yall teaching your kids in these surburban homes. I wonder what would happen if police started profiling all teenage white males....you guys would probably call me up to have a pity party.

[da_suns_fan]

You give someone a few years to train with a sword, and they'd rack up some serious numbers in a crowded, dark room.

Screw that. Just get a gun! No training needed! :lol

[DMC]

Its about how dangerous a weapon is to the general public. How inherently lethal is the weapon.

It's defined already. Anything that can kill you is potentially lethal.


See, I have a brain. I can understand that not all weapons are just as easy to kill with.

You've never fired a weapon.


You obviously cant understand that a gun is infinitely more dangerous and easier to kill with than a fucking SWORD.

And a car is easier to kill with than a gun. People are killed daily by drunken drivers, and it wasn't even intended. Sounds pretty easy if it can just happen.

Swimming pools... those are deadly as well.


Im pretty sure pyscho doesnt even try his stunt if all he's got is a sword.
Why? If it's about odds, then arm the populace.

Way to kick your own ass.

[da_suns_fan]

They took a fucking BABY to a violent movie at midnight. Great parents.

Jared Lee Loughner shot children mid-day at the supermarket.

But forget that, Im sure its the victims fault.

[da_suns_fan]

You've never fired a weapon.



I was in the military. Shot M16 in basic training and every other year for qualification.

Try again.

[Heath Ledger]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

How many peeps could psycho boy killed last night with his SWORD?

One? Maybe two?

12 killed. 30 plus wounded.

GUNS >>>>>>>> Swords.

This is why we dont use castles anymore, bud.

You are totally missing the fucking point. Whether its a pipe bomb, gas bomb, fertalizer bomb or other tool of destruction, if guns are harder to get these types of situations when they do happen will potentially be more violent.

My point is thugs and psychos will always find a way to carry out their agendas with whatever tools they have at their disposal.

[jag]

Screw that. Just get a gun! No training needed! :lol

Guns would be banned, remember?

If I were stuck in that dark room with the sword-wielding psycho, I'd reach for my sword so I could fight back. But oh, wait, I don't have a sword because the current laws had preventing carrying swords in public. Oh well...