Argentina v Spain starting now

[Mel_13]

http://www.rtve.es/deportes/baloncesto/directo/

[bklynspursfan]

Thanks!

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Thanks.
Argentina is getting killed.

[Libri]

It's raining 3s.

[DesignatedT]

Spain beatin that ass.

[ElNono]

No lube.... they can't miss from 3

[Stabula]

Has Ginobili even touched the ball?

[Mel_13]

Ibaka blocked his layup.

[russellgoat]

:lol Argentina won their Olympic spot because of the refs. I'm not surprised.

[ElNono]

Playing in Spain doesn't help... calling moving screens in international basketball :lol

[ElNono]

:lol Argentina won their Olympic spot because of the refs. I'm not surprised.

Why u mad son? Did ARG rape your mom?

[bklynspursfan]

Manu needs to come out already lol too many minutes

[FkLA]

Does Ibaka even know how to speak Spanish ?

[Libri]

Everybody hates Scola. lol

[Stabula]

Everyone has been worried about De Colo after his work in France this year so far but what about Ginobili? De Colo is looking better in France than Ginobili is in Argentina.

[DesignatedT]

lol argentina. doubt they even medal this year.

[ElNono]

60% from downtown...

[jyra]

Does Argentina have a backup point guard? Prigioni hasn't gotten a break yet..

[ElNono]

Does Ibaka even know how to speak Spanish ?

:lol

[ElNono]

Does Argentina have a backup point guard? Prigioni hasn't gotten a break yet..

That's why the backup PG doesn't play much :lol

[urunobili]

lol ARG

[ElNono]

lol ARG

[Stabula]

Ginobili with a decent assist

[timvp]

Argentina not running any of their sets. Must be in it just for the exercise. Nothing to be concerned about here, tbh.

[ElNono]

It's a 3 point contest.... I expect Spain to miss everything against Team USA, par per...

[Libri]

Argentina not running any of their sets. Must be in it just for the exercise. Nothing to be concerned about here, tbh.

How about that perimeter defense? It looked pretty bad early on.

[ElNono]

La bomba killin it

[ElNono]

the good news for ARG is that they're experienced enough to not get dragged down by a big loss... the bad news is that father time might be here for them...

[temujin]

Everyone has been worried about De Colo after his work in France this year so far but what about Ginobili? De Colo is looking better in France than Ginobili is in Argentina.

Sure, and San Emeterio looks better than Durant for US.
:lol

[timvp]

How come Argentina hasn't produced a decent prospect in about a decade? Was the Golden Generation a fluke or is it just an explainable dry spell?

[Bruno]

What surprised me about Argentina basketball is how they have no youth at all to help the team that won gold in 2004. They don't have a single decent player below 30. On would have think that the amazing success in 2004 would have push kids to play some basketball. Guess it didn't happened and they still only care about soccer.

[bbarry]

What's the score at the half?

[ElNono]

How come Argentina hasn't produced a decent prospect in about a decade? Was the Golden Generation a fluke or is it just an explainable dry spell?


What surprised me about Argentina basketball is how they have no youth at all to help the team that won gold in 2004. They don't have a single decent player below 30. On would have think that the amazing success in 2004 would have push kids to play some basketball. Guess it didn't happened and they still only care about soccer.

Argentina isn't a basketball country... that's just the reality... it's no surprise they never ever won a medal at all before 2004 on basketball, which is why at the time was considered huge.

[ElNono]

What's the score at the half?

61-36 Spain

[ElNono]

Spain is hitting everything too, though... the other day they could only score 83 against Australia... they already have 61 here... games like this happen...

[timvp]

What surprised me about Argentina basketball is how they have no youth at all to help the team that won gold in 2004. They don't have a single decent player below 30.:smokin


On would have think that the amazing success in 2004 would have push kids to play some basketball. Guess it didn't happened and they still only care about soccer.To be fair, any 2004 inspired players probably won't come around for another few years.

But yeah, Argentina was loaded from 2002-2004 but it's be bone dry since then. They produced a group of great players born from ~1975 to 1982 but not much before or after. Weird.

[Libri]

Maybe they should ask this guy to play.

http://www.nocturnar.com/forum/attachments/futbol/16393d1333310130-messi-juega-al-baloncesto-messi-juega-baloncesto.jpg

[ElNono]

You can't take anything away from Spain either... they're on their own great generation themselves...

[Mel_13]

Argentina v. France

July 31, 2012

Should be fun.

[ElNono]

Sons, don't forget that Argentina doesn't have Africa near by to pad their team with black athletic guys like France and Spain, tbh...

[ElNono]

Calderon with the stupid foul up 27...

[Mel_13]

Lots of fun.

[Bruno]

To be fair, any 2004 inspired players probably won't come around for another few years.


Yep, good point. Argentina dine fine at the latest U17 championship. Maybe it will give something good at the professional level.

[guilhermercf]

Delfino and Prigioni were not in the roster that won the gold in 2004.

Argentina made the semi finals of the last year's U19 World Championship.

They have great coaches and very skilled players, but they lack size.

Delia and Deck are good examples.

[Libri]

BS foul on Manu

[ElNono]

This is actually Delfino's first game in like 3 months, IIRC...

[urunobili]

ARG came back from a 26 pt deficit on the 06 World's and missed a three to win it. I don't think they're very interested in showing their stuff tonight. Besides, they always lose this classic friendly game to spain before big tournaments.

Spain does have the roster to content for Gold TBH

[ElNono]

Manu 2/10... shades of the last game in the WCF...

[urunobili]

Nocioni showing toughness on Iblocka...

[ElNono]

Chandler gonna be frustrated Tuesday, tbh...

[rayweb_on]

Delfino and Prigioni were not in the roster that won the gold in 2004.

Argentina made the semi finals of the last year's U19 World Championship.

They have great coaches and very skilled players, but they lack size.

Delia and Deck are good examples.

Delfino was in the 2004 gold medal team.

[DesignatedT]

lol scola flopping. bitch move.

[ElNono]

getting chippy

[Libri]

:ihit

[Stabula]

holy shit Argentina within 10

[Libri]

wow, that kid :lmao

[temujin]

Scola teaching the stupid Ibaka a lesson here.

[ElNono]

Cats flopping like crazy!

[Libri]

wow, that kid :lmao

gif worthy, tbh

[DesignatedT]

There you go Manu. ARG needs to give him the ball more. He barely touches it on offense.

[Libri]

the online stream froze :(

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

wtf happened!

[Stabula]

Perfect time to pull the plug, when the game finally gets entertaining.

[FlAVaK]

http://www8.livetv.ru/webplayer2.php?t=veemi&c=fsdg4g3&lang=de&eid=126791&lid=67512&ci=275&si=3

[ElNono]

the online stream froze :(

http://lsh.lshunter.tv/static/popups/10243302779460.html

[Libri]

http://www8.livetv.ru/webplayer2.php?t=veemi&c=fsdg4g3&lang=de&eid=126791&lid=67512&ci=275&si=3


http://lsh.lshunter.tv/static/popups/10243302779460.html

:toast

[ElNono]

dagger... good game, tbh

[ElNono]

lol Manu playing garbage minutes.... time for Spurstalk to freakout! :lol

[Stabula]

That Argentinian surge was very inspiring, good game guys even though the game ends in a 20 point loss.

[Stabula]

For anyone who didn't watch the game Spain had control from the get-go but Argentina brought it within single digits in the fourth quarter. In the end, as expected, Spain still prevailed.

Argentina - 85
Espana - 105

[temujin]

Hombre del partido,

Serge Ibaka.

[timvp]

Sons, don't forget that Argentina doesn't have Africa near by to pad their team with black athletic guys like France and Spain, tbh...

Argentina probably should have thought about that before they killed off all the black people in the country. Little late to be complaining about that now, tbh.

[tesseractive]

Argentina probably should have thought about that before they killed off all the black people in the country. Little late to be complaining about that now, tbh.

I had no idea that was a thing.... Wow, you learn something new every day.

[Stabula]

Argentina probably should have thought about that before they killed off all the black people in the country.

oops

[elemento]

Spain is simply way better than Argentina

No surprises here

[MmP]

Argentina probably should have thought about that before they killed off all the black people in the country. Little late to be complaining about that now, tbh.

The sad thing about it is that Uruguay does has black people within their community, as well as Brazil. Two border countries. Can you imagine a 2004 Argentina roster with a guy like Ibaka?

[Ginobilly]

Argentina probably should have thought about that before they killed off all the black people in the country. Little late to be complaining about that now, tbh.

Spain's secret is that they stole the athletic genome(fast twitch muscle fibers) from west African people back in Moorish times, and incorporated them into their population, then killed them. Spain in known as having the most african ancestry from all Euro nations. It's no wonder they have more athletic freaks that are white compared to other white Euro nations.

[Mel_13]

didn't technically kill

brilliant

[Mel_13]

even more brilliant

[timvp]

Sorry to tell you, but you don't know shit. Argentinians didn't technically kill the black population of their country. Most of the black people in Argentina (who were less than 1% of the population) were sent to the war against Paraguay in the 19th century. The few ones that survived went to Brazil or Uruguay.

Good point. Hitler didn't technically kill anyone either.

[Mel_13]

I'm glad you were able to read it

I didn't technically read it, yet the words wound up read all the same.

[timvp]

That's not the point. Black Argentinians were sent to war, like every other male adult in Argentina at that time. Hitler did something completely different

There's a difference between getting sent to war and being sent to the front lines to be slaughtered.

Tbh.

[Mel_13]

Remarkable

[Mel_13]

You really have outed yourself. Thanks.

[timvp]

Sure, but there's a difference to kill an entire race (countrymen belonging to one race killing other countrymen belonging to another race in concentration camps or whatever) and to send them to war to get slaughtered.

Different means to the same end, tbh.

[Mel_13]

Ignorant racist is ignorant.

[timvp]

No shit!. You should quit grading players and start talking about history

So you ended up agreeing with my original point. Congrats.

[Mel_13]

I'm not a racist. I was discussing the difference between killing someone and sending someone to a war. Nice try

Except in this case, there was no difference. Nice try.

[xram27]

Timvp I think you dont have a point. There were the famous campaign of the desert in argentina to kill the inhabitants of Patagonia, but a mass black slougther never took place in the way you are puting it.
Hi Im from Argentina.

[Stabula]

:ttiwwp:

[Buddy Holly]

I clicked the fourth page link expecting ball talk. Not what I expected.

[Stabula]

I clicked the fourth page link expecting ball talk. Not what I expected.

racist

[ElNono]

Argentina probably should have thought about that before they killed off all the black people in the country. Little late to be complaining about that now, tbh.

Those that survived the yellow fever epidemic in the 1800's, were used for cannon fodder in subsequent wars... American just catching up to the same tactic, tbh...

[ElNono]

Causes of reduction

Among the reasons expressed are:

- Heavy casualties caused by the constant civil wars and foreign wars: Blacks formed a disproportionate part of the Argentine army in the long and bloody War of Paraguay (1865–1870), in which the loss of lives on both sides were high. The official historiography maintains that this resulted in the disappearance of the black population, while the genocide claims contend that the disproportionate recruitment was intentional.[7]

- Epidemics, especially of yellow fever in 1871: the traditional history holds that the epidemics had greater impact in areas where the poorest people lived, whereas the vision that sustains the existence of a genocide underlines the repressive mechanisms that enabled upper-class groups to leave the affected areas at the same time, forcing African Argentines to stay locked up and thus aggravate health conditions.

- Emigration, particularly to Uruguay and Brazil, where black populations had historically been larger and had a more favorable political climate;

- The massive immigration from Europe between 1880 and 1950,[8] boosted by the Constitution of 1853, that quickly multiplied the country's population. Like Australia in the 1950s to 1980s, European immigrants were encouraged while non-Europeans were virtually excluded.

- There are a growing number of historians in academia which look to the possible act of racial genocide on the part of the Argentine government.[9] Former Argentine President Domingo Sarmiento advocated forced population reductions of the black population in Argentina. While direct evidence of any such action is very limited, research into the unseemingly swift population reduction for blacks over a very short amount of time, lack of actualized census evidence of intermarriage between blacks and whites in Argentina, and investigations finding evidence of later commissions of genocide toward native populations, as well as executions by the Argentine government toward the nations small Native American population gives slight credence to the possibility of the subject.[10][11]

[ElNono]

Per Wiki anyways...

:cry Argentina only accepted European immigrants (not Greek though, kthx) :cry

[ElNono]

I clicked the fourth page link expecting ball talk. Not what I expected.

But we're here to talk basketball

[ElNono]

tbh, with my newly minted American citizenship I get to bandwagon Team USA too now... :tu

[Mel_13]

But we're here to talk basketball

:lol

You started it, you rabble-rouser.

[Mel_13]

tbh, with my newly minted American citizenship I get to bandwagon Team USA too now... :tu

I missed that. Congrats. :toast

When did you take the oath?

[ElNono]

I missed that. Congrats. :toast

When did you take the oath?

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188235

[Mel_13]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188235


:tu

[TMTTRIO]

anyone see Manu go into coaching for their NT in the next year or two to try and develop any kind of talent for their NT? I know he's not going to stick around here.

[ElNono]

anyone see Manu go into coaching for their NT in the next year or two to try and develop any kind of talent for their NT? I know he's not going to stick around here.

Don't see that at all, tbh... I think he wants time off with his kids... he earned it...

[Mel_13]

Don't see that at all, tbh... I think he wants time off with his kids... he earned it...

I've always seen Manu as the political type. Not elective politics, but in some sort of appointed position having to do with sports or fitness.

[ElNono]

I've always seen Manu as the political type. Not elective politics, but in some sort of appointed position having to do with sports or fitness.

He mentioned some of that in the past, but he got burnt trying to negotiate building a basketball stadium in his home city... tbh, to be involved in politics, especially down south, you have to be a downright crook...

[Mel_13]

He mentioned some of that in the past, but he got burnt trying to negotiate building a basketball stadium in his home city... tbh, to be involved in politics, especially down south, you have to be a downright crook...

Ok, but he does know how to talk like a politician.

[ElNono]

Ok, but he does know how to talk like a politician.

You mean because he talks a lot and doesn't really say anything? :lol

[CGD]

You can't take anything away from Spain either... they're on their own great generation themselves...

Seem like all their athletes are peaking at this time. Their soccer team seems invincible, Basketball team is the only credible threat to US supremacy, and Rafa while injured recently is near/at the top if the tennis apex.

[Drom John]

Off the off off topic, but about Manu coaching in Argentina ...

when is Nash going to start coaching Joseph? next summer?

[Russ]

How come Argentina hasn't produced a decent prospect in about a decade? Was the Golden Generation a fluke or is it just an explainable dry spell?


Argentina was loaded from 2002-2004 but it's be bone dry since then. They produced a group of great players born from ~1975 to 1982 but not much before or after. Weird.

I would wager it's almost entirely attributable to Michael Jordan.

[Venti Quattro]

Too bad, I missed this game.

[Venti Quattro]

No, I didn't. Have you graduated from high school?


No, I didn't. Have you graduated from high school?


No, I didn't. Have you graduated from high school?

Talk about trying to make a point.

[TE]

Just saw part of this game on youtube. Argentina can definitely beat Spain.

Had Spain not shot the ball very well, the game would have been much closer. It took an insane effort for Argentina to get the game to single digits.

[Venti Quattro]

Just saw part of this game on youtube. Argentina can definitely beat Spain.

Had Spain not shot the ball very well, the game would have been much closer. It took an insane effort for Argentina to get the game to single digits.

Spain will still edge Argentina, quite frankly. Los Spanish are too big and too skilled for the Argentinians. El Argentinians got the game to single digits, but they still lost by 20.

[TE]

Spain will still edge Argentina, quite frankly. La Spanish are too big and too skilled for the Argentinians. El Argentinians got the game to single digits, but they still lost by 20.

On a good day, I think Arg can be victorious. It'll take Spain playing subpar to average for Arg to pull it out though.

[Venti Quattro]

On a good day, I think Arg can be victorious. It'll take Spain playing subpar to average for Arg to pull it out though.

Not many teams can do that against Spain, not when they're this strong imo. So far, that list only contains one team.

[TE]

Not many teams can do that against Spain, not when they're this strong imo. So far, that list only contains one team.

TBH, when Brazil and Russia play Spain in pool play (the same group), I can see one of them knocking Spain off. Russia is a big team that can shoot lights out. I love how Brazil plays and if they can keep a close contest vs the United States, I think they can do the same against Spain. I have a feeling Spain will lose once in pool play, and if so it'll be to either one of the teams I've mentioned. I still think Spain will get to the Gold Medal game though, but them losing once in pool play may happen.

[Venti Quattro]

Spain is going to take a massive dump on Br:lolzil. The only reason why our game against them was close was because the United States came out like shit.

:lol 5 second quarter points

[TE]

Spain is going to take a massive dump on Br:lolzil. The only reason why our game against them was close was because the United States came out like shit.

:lol 5 second quarter points

:lol Maybe...

Big difference between our perimeter and Spain's perimeter though. Spain doesn't have the athletes to pressure and wear Brazil down for a full 40. I think Brazil can run an effective offensive gameplan (pick and roll & playing inside and out) throughout the course of the game. One thing I can't see happening is Alex Garcia consistently knuckle-balling three pointers from the corner.

I wouldn't be so confident had Brazil fielded a weakness inside, but they're big and physical (Splitter, notwithstanding :lol) enough to bother the Gasols imo.

[Venti Quattro]

Spain doesn't need to do that against any team not named United States though. They can wear the rest of the field with their skill and rely on Ibaka for their last line of defense.

One issue with Spain though is if they get pick and rolled to death. The Gasols and Ibaka are not the fastest in rotating to those.

[TE]

We'll have to wait and see how the games are played out...

I'll be looking forward to that Spain-Brazil match.

[ElNono]

Spain will still edge Argentina, quite frankly. Los Spanish are too big and too skilled for the Argentinians. El Argentinians got the game to single digits, but they still lost by 20.

I think it's closer than what people think, despite this game. Argentina did beat Spain in the last Worlds, and that was without Manu IIRC.

it's all irrelevant anyways, because unless Team USA has a major chokejob (unlikely), these two teams will be playing for sloppy seconds.

[ElNono]

I think teams in these games rank as follow:

1st tier: Team USA
2nd tier: Spain, France, Argentina, Brazil, a dark horse team (ie: Russia)
3rd tier: everyone else

Given there's only 3 medals, and games are played every other day, it should be fun to watch.

[urunobili]

Spain is undoubtfully 1st tier American Nono :tu

[ElNono]

Spain is undoubtfully 1st tier American Nono :tu

Spain is probably the top on the 2nd tier, but this Team USA is staaaaaaaacked, IMO. Lebron is playing out of his mind, and Durant is also something else. They are carrying some old baggage like Kobe, but I don't think he'll be enough to kill their chances completely(*)...


(*) Provided he doesn't take 30+ shots in a game...

[TE]

Spain is probably the top on the 2nd tier, but this Team USA is staaaaaaaacked, IMO. Lebron is playing out of his mind, and Durant is also something else. They are carrying some old baggage like Kobe, but I don't think he'll be enough to kill their chances completely(*)...


(*) Provided he doesn't take 30+ shots in a game...

nono directin' dem jabs at anytin Laker related:lol


I agree with your categorizing of the teams in terms of tier. Had Rubio been playing, I'd probably move Spain up a bit...but that ain't the case

[urunobili]

When does Argentina play the US?

[TE]

When does Argentina play the US?

tomorrow

[TE]

2:30 pm CT, will be shown on ESPN 2.

[ElNono]

2:30 pm CT, will be shown on ESPN 2.

Actually the game will be shown live on NBA TV.... ESPN 2 will re-broadcast at 11 pm CST...

[Brazil]

I think teams in these games rank as follow:

1st tier: Team USA
2nd tier: Spain, France, Argentina, Brazil, a dark horse team (ie: Russia)
3rd tier: everyone else

Given there's only 3 medals, and games are played every other day, it should be fun to watch.

Spain is certainly not on the same tier than France, Argentina and Brazil tbh

it is

1. USA









2. Spain





3. the rest

[ElNono]

Don't know about that... I think they have the potential to be on a tier of their own, but their last Worlds wasn't anything to write home about... tbh, I don't recall if Pau played that one...

[TE]

Don't know about that... I think they have the potential to be on a tier of their own, but their last Worlds wasn't anything to write home about... tbh, I don't recall if Pau played that one...

pau didn't play back in the 2010 WC, if that's what you're wondering.

[TE]

Spain is certainly not on the same tier than France, Argentina and Brazil tbh

it is

1. USA









2. Spain





3. the rest

Respectfully disagree with you there...


We'll just have to see how the games play out

[ElNono]

pau didn't play back in the 2010 WC, if that's what you're wondering.

thanks! :toast

[Josepatches_]

I think teams in these games rank as follow:

1st tier: Team USA
2nd tier: Spain, France, Argentina, Brazil, a dark horse team (ie: Russia)
3rd tier: everyone else

Given there's only 3 medals, and games are played every other day, it should be fun to watch.

Lol


1st USA
2nd Spain
.......
.......
.......
.......
.......
Rest

[dunkman]

Lol


1st USA
2nd Spain
.......
.......
.......
.......
.......
Rest

Spain is much better than any other team, not named USA.
And could win the gold, maybe.
Tbh, Spain has become a sports superpower.

[racm]

Top of the world in football, a far but catching up second in basketball...

Now only if they dominated in athletics :lol

[Brazil]

I saw the game France Brazil, these two teams are close. Maybe Argentina is a step ahead but globally Spain is his own tier.

[PingPong]

Spain is much better than any other team, not named USA.
And could win the gold, maybe.
Tbh, Spain has become a sports superpower.

Spain is a more sports talented Greece.

:lol:lol:lol

[DAF86]

Spain has some serious advantage downlow against the US (specially if coach-K keeps playing that retarded Paul, Kobe, Durant, Melo, Lebron line-up).

If them shots don't go in, watchout.

[TE]

Spain has some serious advantage downlow against the US (specially if coach-K keeps playing that retarded Paul, Kobe, Durant, Melo, Lebron line-up).

If them shots don't go in, watchout.

If coach K doesn't react accordingly matchup wise, it could very well be the United States' first loss since losing back in 2006.

[Stabula]

Spain is definitely in position to upset USA. They're not as athletic, sure, but their presence in the low post is an undeniable advantage.

[TE]

Spain is definitely in position to upset USA. They're not as athletic, sure, but their presence in the low post is an undeniable advantage.

They have to duplicate their 2008 Gold medal game performance from the perimeter to have a chance, which they surely can.

Spain is one of the few teams in contention that can control the tempo of the game. Brazil is the other team that was able to do that vs the United States. Argentina surprisingly was able to do that with Prigioni's composure and ability to setup the Argentinian offensive sets.

[TE]

I have to add: if teams are able to control the tempo of the game and make timely shots... they have a chance at the end. It really depends on how long teams can control the tempo, we all know too well to expect a Team USA surge in a number of stretches, it's all about controlling the game and doing the most possible offensively outside of those US runs.

[Stabula]

I'm sure Spain is crossing their fingers that USA gives Westbrick big minutes.

[TE]

I'm sure Spain is crossing their fingers that USA gives Westbrick big minutes.

Him and Melo.


Melo is gonna get destroyed trying to guard either one of the Gasols.