Team USA vs Argentina game thread (tune-up)

[TE]

Figured I'd make this thread here.

Game will be played tomorrow in Barcelona, Spain. It'll be televised live on ESPN2 at 3:30 pm ET, or 2:30 pm CT for the most of us.

[Venti Quattro]

:lolrgentin:lol

[TE]

:lolrgentin:lol

ElN:loln:lol

[ElNono]

I'm torn about this one, tbh... Being an American c:lolt:lolz:loln, I could easily hitch the Team USA bandwagon and roll with it... but then cheering for Kobe... ugh...

Argentina has no shot at winning this game, regardless...

[Venti Quattro]

Nono, why don't you like cheering for a Great American -- someone who has lived the American dream to the fullest?

[ElNono]

Nono, why don't you like cheering for a Great American -- someone who has lived the American dream to the fullest?

Are you talking about Lebron?




:lol

[ElNono]

BTW, the game is live on NBA TV at 3:30 pm EST... ESPN 2 will show it delayed at midnight EST (11 pm CST)

[TE]

BTW, the game is live on NBA TV at 3:30 pm EST... ESPN 2 will show it delayed at midnight EST (11 pm CST)

I thought it was at 2:30 CT (7 hours back from the timeframe in Barcelona)

According to this time on the offical Team USA website

http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/national/12_mnt_results.html

It indicates the game starts at 7:30 pm (Barcelona time; 7 hours ahead of CT time here in the states). It also indicates it'll be showed on ESPN2...


I think you meant it'll be replayed on NBATV (on primetime schedule) at 11:00 pm CT

http://www.nba.com/nbatv/

[ElNono]

I thought it was at 2:30 CT (7 hours back from the timeframe in Barcelona)

According to this time on the offical Team USA website

http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/national/12_mnt_results.html

It indicates the game starts at 7:30 pm (Barcelona time; 7 hours ahead of CT time here in the states). It also indicates it'll be showed on ESPN2...


I think you meant it'll be replayed on NBATV (on primetime schedule) at 11:00 pm CT

http://www.nba.com/nbatv/

It's right in the front of the usabasketball.com page:

http://i49.tinypic.com/28rnrjr.png

And NBA TV was just announcing it on their summer league broadcast

[TE]

It's right in the front of the usabasketball.com page:

http://i49.tinypic.com/28rnrjr.png

And NBA TV was just announcing it on their summer league broadcast

I could have sworn it was the opposite a couple of minutes ago when I checked, now I go back to the website and it shows the time and channel you indicated to me. :lol

Thanks anyhow. :toast

[Stabula]

Nono, why don't you like cheering for a Great American -- someone who has lived the American dream to the fullest? "They call it the American dream because you've got to be asleep to believe it." - George Carlin

[Stabula]

and anyways since when are adulterers and rapists considered great Americans? That sounds quite bleak for the type of folks America produces if so.

[spurs10]

BTW, the game is live on NBA TV at 3:30 pm EST... ESPN 2 will show it delayed at midnight EST (11 pm CST)
Thanks for this...

[DesignatedT]

Do you think ARG can keep it close Nono? I'm guessing the spread will be something like USA - 20 or 25

[spurs10]

....and I concur, it's hard not to be pulling for Manu in a game against any team with Kobe on it. ElNono you should probably break out that blue Argentinean jersey you wore when you met Manu....if my memory serves me well.

[ElNono]

Do you think ARG can keep it close Nono? I'm guessing the spread will be something like USA - 20 or 25

Doubt it, tbh... While I think ARG will try to play better than they did against Spain, a spanking by this Team USA wouldn't be surprising at all.

That said, if the US shoots and defends like they did against Brazil, every one of these teams have a shot.


....and I concur, it's hard not to be pulling for Manu in a game against any team with Kobe on it. ElNono you should probably break out that blue Argentinean jersey you wore when you met Manu....if my memory serves me well.

That shirt is reserved for watching soccer World Cup games and meeting Manu...

[100%duncan]

Olympic Ball will be boring sons. USA gon be tappin those asses.

[DesignatedT]

USA - 28
O/U - 183

What do you guys think?

[DPG21920]

Take ARG +28

Just like BRA +33 IMO.

[SA210]

Go Argentina! I pick Manu over prima donna selfish assholes anyday.

[TE]

Game in 5 minutes

[ElNono]

ARG starts playing small :lol

Gonna get r:lolped

[ace3g]

Manu starting off on LeBron

[TE]

Manu looks rusty as hell

[GB20]

wow

[ElNono]

raining 3's... tbh, that shot for KD is autmomatic

[TE]

Team USA is in feugo from the 3

[DesignatedT]

lol

[GB20]

team usa came really strong

[TE]

raining 3's... tbh, that shot for KD is autmomatic

much of it is due to Argentina on defense. Why play the zone this early? That shot is automatic for KD if he's left that wide open.

[TE]

Manu dunk!

[ace3g]

nice dunk by Manu

[ElNono]

smh, kirby en fuego...

[ElNono]

much of it is due to Argentina on defense. Why play the zone this early? That shot is automatic for KD if he's left that wide open.

you can't defend the NBA 3 in international ball...

[ace3g]

Team USA wears decent uniforms and start the game off hot, coincidence, I think not

[DesignatedT]

It's not a coincidence that every team seems to be on fire from 3 against ARG.

[ElNono]

that USA jersey beats the hell of the new one, IMO

[TE]

Team USA wears decent uniforms and start the game off hot, coincidence, I think not

They should wear these uniforms more often :lol

[ElNono]

It's not a coincidence that every team seems to be on fire from 3 against ARG.

That's because you don't watch ARG much... most teams don't seem to be on fire from 3 against them...

[DesignatedT]

Those jerseys are nice.

[DesignatedT]

That's because you don't watch ARG much... most teams don't seem to be on fire from 3 against them...

Then they are playing shitty comp because from what I have seen they give everybody 3 feet of breathing room on every damn shot.

[TE]

you can't defend the NBA 3 in international ball...

Much of these shots haven't been attempted that far from the international ball 3 point line...falling into a zone should only be relied on when the other team is getting to the hole at will IMO

[ElNono]

Then they are playing shitty comp because from what I have seen they give everybody 3 feet of breathing room on every damn shot.

Then you need to pay more attention... Kobe's two 3's were contested... One of KD's 3s came with a screen... give team USA credit, they move the ball well and have great shooters...

[TE]

Then they are playing shitty comp because from what I have seen they give everybody 3 feet of breathing room on every damn shot.

They've only played Spain and USA (today) in terms of exhibition games iirc

[ElNono]

They've only played Spain and USA (today) in terms of exhibition games iirc

No. This is their 8th exhibition game pre-Olympics...

[DesignatedT]

Then you need to pay more attention... Kobe's two 3's were contested... One of KD's 3s came with a screen... give team USA credit, they move the ball well and have great shooters...

I wouldn't call any of those shots properly contested. Especially not the Durant 3s.

[TE]

No. This is their 8th exhibition game pre-Olympics...

oh smack, must've heard wrong

Are they usually this reliant on a zone? How did they defend Spain the other day?

[DesignatedT]

USA is still getting wide open looks just now missing some. They aren't contesting the 3 pt line for shit.

[ElNono]

Don't get me wrong DT... ARG does have defensive problems, but they're mostly with transition D and size...

[ElNono]

I wouldn't call any of those shots properly contested. Especially not the Durant 3s.


USA is still getting wide open looks just now missing some. They aren't contesting the 3 pt line for shit.

:lol

[Hemotivo]

nice work by the ref :P

[ElNono]

Team USA should be able to run ARG to the ground...

[TE]

Fiba officiating is so inconsistent :lol

[TE]

Kevin love is doing his best Matt bonner impersonation
Smh

[DesignatedT]

ARG needs to slow it down and keep going inside. They have done a good job at not letting this get more out of hand.

[ElNono]

So how you contest that? :lol

[DesignatedT]

Get out of the zone for 1 :lol

Impossible to stop I guess

[ElNono]

When ARG beat team usa, they didn't have these shooters... it was AI and Marbury shooting from outside... these guys are too good shooters (maybe except Melo and the days Kobe is off)

[Hemotivo]

Durant is amazing

[DesignatedT]

When ARG beat team usa, they didn't have these shooters... it was AI and Marbury shooting from outside... these guys are too good shooters (maybe except Melo and the days Kobe is off)


Gosh that team was horribly assembled.

[ElNono]

Durant is amazing

He was already phenomenal in the last worlds... that 3 point line is too close for him

[Das Texan]

Miss these classic Team USA jerseys! The new ones pale in comparison so much!

[ElNono]

And KD can play D too... he's the whole package

[Bruno]

Argentina is a flawed team. They really lack of youth, depth and size. I won't bury them because of the Olympic tournament format and because of Manu but they area weak team. USA, Spain, Russia, Brazil and even France are better than them.

[spurs10]

Team USA should be able to run ARG to the ground...
Yeah...maybe if they'd allow them to kick the ball, they could get some younger players.

[ElNono]

Argentina is a flawed team. They really lack of youth, depth and size. I won't bury them because of the Olympic tournament format and because of Manu but they area weak team. USA, Spain, Russia, Brazil and even France are better than them.

They're at the end of the line... probably a farewell championship for this group... going for the miracle medal

[ElNono]

Yeah...maybe if they'd allow them to kick the ball, they could get some younger players.

talking about that, Messi was supposed to stop by

[ElNono]

great block by KD, tbh

[Hemotivo]

lol kobe blocked by a midget

[ElNono]

thugging it out early, smh

[DesignatedT]

lol Scola.

[ElNono]

ARG player with the helicopter flop.... been learning from CP3 :lol

[PingPong]

Just turned it on... where's uncle Manu? There's an old style midget guard in Argentina...

:lol

[ElNono]

lol fiba refs

[ace3g]

CP3 got some of his own flop medicine on that one

[TE]

Down to 10

[ElNono]

FIBA refs getting together wondering what the rules are... :lol

[GB20]

this is why i like about argentina, they are not afraid of nobody

[ElNono]

ARG needs to make Melo and Westchuck take long shots, tbh

[TE]

ARG needs to make Melo and Westchuck take long shots, tbh

and D-will...

These three players are off today

[TE]

Only down 8. Argentina should feel really good right now.

[ElNono]

:wow what a block

[TE]

Damn DAT block

[TE]

Down to 5

[ElNono]

another great block... by Iggy this time

[TE]

Nice D by team USA, westchuck is ridiculously fast

[spurs10]

Westbrook keeping Arg in it...

[ElNono]

ARG made the run with Manu on the bench...

[TE]

Westbrook keeping Arg in it...

and CP3 tbh

[DAF86]

Argentina is a flawed team. They really lack of youth, depth and size. I won't bury them because of the Olympic tournament format and because of Manu but they area weak team. USA, Spain, Russia, Brazil and even France are better than them.

In the last olympics Argentina shouldn't have won a medal either but somehow they pulled it of. These guys are the most consistent group of overachievers I have ever seen.

[TE]

Out of all the teams competing in this year's Olympics, I think Arg plays with arguably the most passion. Talk about being down big early and scratching your way back into a game against the top competition in the world.

[ElNono]

The thing with this Team USA is that you can go to Bron every time and he'll deliver more times than not...

[ElNono]

Is Harden with the team or did he go visit his Iranian family?

[TE]

Is Harden with the team or did he go visit his Iranian family?

Probably got held up at the airport

[TE]

^security wise of course

[ElNono]

Doubt it, tbh... If they didn't held up Scola...

[GB20]

Argentina started to play better after the thrash talking, it gave them more fuel.

[DAF86]

BTW I didn't like the matchups to start the game: Manu on Lebron, Nocioni on Durant, etc.

Manu should be on Kobe, Nocioni on Lebron and Delfino with Durant.

[ElNono]

BTW I didn't like the matchups to start the game: Manu on Lebron, Nocioni on Durant, etc.

Manu should be on Kobe, Nocioni on Lebron and Delfino with Durant.

If they're hitting from outside like they were early, it might not matter, tbh

[sehui]

where can I find a boxscore for the game?

[ElNono]

where can I find a boxscore for the game?

I think it's only available after game from usabasketball.com

[sehui]

I think it's only available after game from usabasketball.com

ah okay, mind if I ask how our beloved Manu is doing then?

[ElNono]

ah okay, mind if I ask how our beloved Manu is doing then?

Not that well, IIRC... ARG did most of the legwork when he was on the bench

[Spurs da champs]

This game is unbearable to watch with Steve Smith calling it.

[PingPong]

Argentina started to play better after the thrash talking, it gave them more fuel.

Argentinians play better when pissed. In the soccer, some argentinian stadiums are more feared than the teams itself.

[ElNono]

KD and Lebron killing it... Kirby making shots...

[ElNono]

hard foul

[ElNono]

Manu with the unsporstmanlike foul

[DAF86]

WTF? They called the travel first but they call the foul anyway?

[ElNono]

nice flop by Scola :lol

[ElNono]

KD is something else, tbh

[ElNono]

Manu showing a pulse

[ElNono]

Surprised Delfino isn't seeing more time... I wonder if they're just shutting it down seeing it's a friendly

[FkLA]

wtf why does Argentina use Manu as basically a spot-up shooter? Ive only been watching since the start of the 2nd but it seems like they run the pick and roll with the #6 PG more than they do with Manu.

[ElNono]

wtf why does Argentina use Manu as basically a spot-up shooter? Ive only been watching since the start of the 2nd but it seems like they run the pick and roll with the #6 PG more than they do with Manu.

It's a friendly... you're not going to see everything in this game... neither from ARG or Team USA, IMO.

[ElNono]

Manu with 4 fouls...

[ElNono]

KD automatic

[ElNono]

damn chuck hit it

[ElNono]

Delfino is too good to come off the bench...

[ElNono]

Expect Team USA to put the afterburners here in the 4th...

[temujin]

Arg switches to zone and exposes US weakness.

[Stabula]

Westbrick continues to play like shit. Manu is actually playing pretty well, he kept Argentina in the game for the first half of the third quarter.

[Stabula]

Does Kobe just not give a shit anymore? This guy isn't hitting anything in these exhibition games.

[TE]

Pablo has done a very admirable job distributing and getting Argentina into their sets

[ElNono]

Expect Team USA to put the afterburners here in the 4th...

[ElNono]

Lebron is at that point where he's unguardable...

[TE]

It's too bad team USA has Lebron. Argentina and Spain should just play the silver medal game and save us the time in watching pool play.

[ElNono]

Pablo has done a very admirable job distributing and getting Argentina into their sets

tbh, I thought he was going to get murdered by CP3 and DWill, but it didn't happen...

[ElNono]

It's too bad team USA has Lebron. Argentina and Spain should just play the silver medal game and save us the time in watching pool play.

The silver medal game is the gold game..................

[ElNono]

Melo will keep a lot of teams in the game, tbh

[TE]

The silver medal game is the gold game..................

Yeah I know:lol

But they should just play for the medal instead of playing to compete against team USA in that gold medal game. Does that make sense? :lol

[DAF86]

Lebron is FIBA refs' bitch :lol

[TE]

:lol impossible to stop that fast break dunk

[Stabula]

16 points for Ginobili as he sinks another 3 ball

[ElNono]

lol Kobrick

[TE]

can't imagine the agony Laker fans go through when they see Kobe bricking shots like that dere three point attempt

[ElNono]

well, at least ARG made it a decent game

[TE]

Melo is such shit

[ElNono]

lol westchuck

[Stabula]

God damn Westbrick sucks.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL Westbrook. SMH

[TE]

:lol westbrick

[Hemotivo]

wow

[ElNono]

not bad for an old, undersized, no-depth team, tbh

[Stabula]

not bad for an old, undersized, no-depth team, tbh

[TE]

not bad for an old, undersized, no-depth team, tbh

Ive always thought Pablo was underrated. I hope he gets PT with dem Knicks

[temujin]

US is really james and Durant, and not much else.

[ElNono]

Ive always thought Pablo was underrated. I hope he gets PT with dem Knicks

If Kidd keeps drinking...

[ElNono]

why is Melo still out there and why is he getting the ball?

[Stabula]

I'm praying they put Westbrick back in the game and give Argentina a solid shot at winning this game.

[temujin]

Horrendous team, 4 watching and Melo bricking.

[ElNono]

Manu is a boss

[TE]

Oh shit

[ElNono]

lol Kobe on Manu

[DAF86]

US is really james and Durant, and not much else.

:lmao

[Stabula]

Ginobili puts Argentina within 4 points!!

[TE]

Like I said, Melo is such shit.

[TE]

Kd!

[ElNono]

KD boss too

[Russ]

well, at least ARG made it a decent game

Once again, the forces of reaction prevail. :depressed

Hopefully, Argentina will take home the gold and leaves these imperialist tools licking their wounds! :flag:

[Man In Black]

92 team would wax this one....its a no contest tbh.

[Stabula]

After Durant hits a 3 in retaliation Ginobili comes right back with two free throws.

[Nathan89]

the big advantage for ARG

Manu>Kobe

[ElNono]

tbh, don't know why you would go with anything but Lebron or KD

[ElNono]

CP3 showing a pulse

[Stabula]

Hopefully, Argentina will take home the gold and leaves these imperialist tools licking their wounds! :flag:

[TE]

:lol late whistle

[Nathan89]

Shit call

[Stabula]

lol what the fuck everyone can see from the replay Lebron was NOT fouled

[ElNono]

lol Robinson Crusoe

[Stabula]

Who the fuck is this bearded idiot who can't keep the ball?

[Stabula]

CP3 just did a Westbrick impersonation.

[ElNono]

Who the fuck is this bearded idiot who can't keep the ball?

Kemmerichs

[ElNono]

valiant effort, tbh.... Team USA clearly the better team though... not without their own issues

[Stabula]

Scola possibly just choked away the game.

[TE]

valiant effort, tbh.... Team USA clearly the better team though... not without their own issues

If Argentina plays like this, they'll beat a team of Spain's caliber imo

[Nathan89]

Scola possibly just choked away the game.

Probable weren't going to win anyways.

[ElNono]

USA - 28
O/U - 183

What do you guys think?

Did you put money on this? :lol

Sorry if you did....:downspin:

[DAF86]

If Argentina plays like this, they'll beat a team of Spain's caliber imo

If the US plays like this they might lose to a team of Spain's caliber, tbh.

[TE]

If the US plays like this they might lose to a team of Spain's caliber, tbh.

Agreed

[Stabula]

I'm surprised LeChoke even hit one of his free throws.

[DAF86]

Argentina wins by -5.

[TE]

If the US plays like this they might lose to a team of Spain's caliber, tbh.

We will have a really good idea about this in the next exhibition game which happens to be against Spain

[ElNono]

good game... I didn't think ARG would keep it this close, tbh

[ElNono]

Team USA needs to stick to what works... Lebron and Durant, tbh

[temujin]

Good game for Argentina, obvious improvement from the Spain game.

The US is really a two men show, with zero presence down low.
If I'm Spain, I like my chances.

[kolko]

Final score

USA 86
Argentina 81

[MmP]

The bright spots for argentina are that his back up point guard is more than valuable. Delfino is still a great player. The competitiveness is still there and that is arg main weapon over any other team, they might not have the same legs but with fierce competitiveness they might get some upsets.

[MannyIsGod]

The brightspot for Argentina is that they don't have to play a team so much better than them each time out.

[DontStopBelieving]

Was really pleased to see Manu dominate that second half.

[Stabula]

Was really pleased to see Manu dominate that second half.

[ElNono]

lol SportingNews


The U.S. Olympic basketball team dressed like the Dream Team for Sunday's game against Argentina. Too bad it didn't put a full effort into the game. Final score: U.S. 86, Argentina 60.

[8FOR!3]

tbh when Manu is being Manu, he's still the best 2 guard in the world and it's not even close.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

Wow, its not even close huh? Some dude named Kobe would like to have a conversation with you. He agrees its not even close though.

[LakerHater]

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba

http://uppix.net/8/4/7/c70651db692996b505ea4dc055ba3.jpg

[Stabula]

Team USA should play the Spurs

[elemento]

US played like crap

Spain will beat them in the Olympics to be honest.

[racm]

To be honest the 1992 Dream Team didn't face teams with NBA players on them.

Argentina has 3/4. Manu alone would make the game competitive.

[freetiago]

even spur fans underrate ginobili
i see other people put him in the tier of joe johnson/monta

ginobili is the best at getting to the rim of kobe/wade and hitting free throws
wade is good at splitting double teams but he cant finish anymore
kobe gets to the rim maybe once a game now

ginobili is also easily the best 3 point shooter/shooter
i know kobe put up some of the worst numbers ever for an all star 2 guard shooting wise and wade i dont even wanna bother

kobe/ginobili are the same defensively
wade is the best but only because of his elite athleticsim

ginobili is easily the best passer/playmaker
wade and kobe are good but theyre iso guys
you cant really put the ball in their hand and run an offense like you can with ginobili

ginobili is also imo more clutch then kobe and easily wade
kobe is a volume shooter who goes 0/9 then might make the last shot so he gets a reputation of being clutch
ginobili makes the shots before that and the final ones
hes also one of the few players ive seen who have won games getting steals/blocks/assists/getting to the foul line/drawing charges/flops

the other guys just score, manus won games without the ball in his hands

[ElNono]

Manu didn't have such a great game, tbh... he did play good for spurts, especially in the 3rd... but at this stage in his career that's all he's probably going to give you... With games every other day, ARG will need to rely more on Delfino for consistent production...

[TDMVPDPOY]

even spur fans underrate ginobili
i see other people put him in the tier of joe johnson/monta


COME back to me when these 2 idiots actually outplayed h2h against ginoboli, JJ has always been ginos bitch from days he was a suns player...ppl should stop overrating this fkn tool who earns a max contract avg meaningless stats

[ElNono]

Sucks usabasketball.com doesn't have quotes or shit about the game yet... I wonder if they're waiting for the tape-delay ESPN2 broadcast to finish before posting anything...

[TE]

So much for the idea that international teams don't play to win the game. :lol

I expect the same thing from Spain come Tuesday.

[ElNono]

Boxscore and quotes up at usabasketball.com...

Deron Williams
No one said the gold medal would be easy, right?
No, no. There are good teams out there. We know that. We don’t overlook any opponent and we feel like that there are lot of tough teams that if we don’t come to play, if we don’t play up to our level, they can beat us. Argentina is one of them, Spain is one of them, Brazil is one of them. These are three of the best warmup games you could probably ask for against those three tough teams.












lol France :lol

[LakerHater]

To be honest the 1992 Dream Team didn't face teams with NBA players on them.
Didnt Croatia & Lithuania, which finished Silver & Bronze, Have some?

[Brazil]

Boxscore and quotes up at usabasketball.com...

Deron Williams
No one said the gold medal would be easy, right?
No, no. There are good teams out there. We know that. We don’t overlook any opponent and we feel like that there are lot of tough teams that if we don’t come to play, if we don’t play up to our level, they can beat us. Argentina is one of them, Spain is one of them, Brazil is one of them. These are three of the best warmup games you could probably ask for against those three tough teams.

lol France


:lol

Williams speaking the truth even if I don't think Argentina and Brazil have a shot neither tbh

[8FOR!3]

ginobili is the best at getting to the rim of kobe/wade and hitting free throws
wade is good at splitting double teams but he cant finish anymore
kobe gets to the rim maybe once a game now

ginobili is also easily the best 3 point shooter/shooter
i know kobe put up some of the worst numbers ever for an all star 2 guard shooting wise and wade i dont even wanna bother

kobe/ginobili are the same defensively
wade is the best but only because of his elite athleticsim

ginobili is easily the best passer/playmaker
wade and kobe are good but theyre iso guys
you cant really put the ball in their hand and run an offense like you can with ginobili

ginobili is also imo more clutch then kobe and easily wade
kobe is a volume shooter who goes 0/9 then might make the last shot so he gets a reputation of being clutch
ginobili makes the shots before that and the final ones
hes also one of the few players ive seen who have won games getting steals/blocks/assists/getting to the foul line/drawing charges/flops

the other guys just score, manus won games without the ball in his hands

All of this. You can take Kobe, but I'll take Manu and win more games over more years.

[Josepatches_]

Didnt Croatia & Lithuania, which finished Silver & Bronze, Have some?

Croatia: Petrovic,Vrankovic,Kukoc,Radja and Tabak played in the NBA... but in 1992 only Petrovic and Vrankovic were playing in the NBA.


Lituania: Sabonis,Marciulionis played in the NBA......In 1992 only Marciulionis was in the NBA but Sabonis was much better player than he was when he came to the NBA ..... In 1992 he was better player than Scola,Prigioni,Delfino and surely Manu are today. Surely better than any player from Spain National Team too.

Same Petrovic tbh.


With or without NBA players in the rest of the teams 1992 Dream Team was much better than 2012 Dreaming Team is.

[Josepatches_]

If Argentina plays like this, they'll beat a team of Spain's caliber imo

Argentina at best is two steps behind Spain.

Spain would win 9 of 10 if they play 7 games series. But only one game? Of course Argentina could beat Spain.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

I'd love to see USA get their asses handed to them.

[SpurPadre]

Damn...I wished I could've seen the game. Is it true team USA were being The Ugly Americans during the game? That's what I heard. Were those jerkoffs at least respectful towards Argentina after the game?

[ducks]

this usa team sucks to only beat these has been by 6 pathetic

[SA210]

even spur fans underrate ginobili
i see other people put him in the tier of joe johnson/monta

ginobili is the best at getting to the rim of kobe/wade and hitting free throws
wade is good at splitting double teams but he cant finish anymore
kobe gets to the rim maybe once a game now

ginobili is also easily the best 3 point shooter/shooter
i know kobe put up some of the worst numbers ever for an all star 2 guard shooting wise and wade i dont even wanna bother

kobe/ginobili are the same defensively
wade is the best but only because of his elite athleticsim

ginobili is easily the best passer/playmaker
wade and kobe are good but theyre iso guys
you cant really put the ball in their hand and run an offense like you can with ginobili

ginobili is also imo more clutch then kobe and easily wade
kobe is a volume shooter who goes 0/9 then might make the last shot so he gets a reputation of being clutch
ginobili makes the shots before that and the final ones
hes also one of the few players ive seen who have won games getting steals/blocks/assists/getting to the foul line/drawing charges/flops

the other guys just score, manus won games without the ball in his hands

:tu:tu

[ElNono]

Damn...I wished I could've seen the game. Is it true team USA were being The Ugly Americans during the game? That's what I heard. Were those jerkoffs at least respectful towards Argentina after the game?

Replay about to start on ESPN2 and ESPN3 online...

As far as ugly americans, I don't think so... both teams put some nasty in it...

[TE]

Argentina at best is two steps behind Spain.

Spain would win 9 of 10 if they play 7 games series. But only one game? Of course Argentina could beat Spain.

Two steps? That's a stretch. One step better, sure.


So according to your logic, in a seven game series, Spain would sweep Argentina? :lmao

You're just being biased, but I understand that.

[TE]

I'd love to see USA get their asses handed to them.

That has the potential to happen on Tuesday tbh.

[ElNono]

There's no 7 game series in internationall ball... A bad day and you could be out of the competition... that can be both a plus and a curse...

[SpurPadre]

Replay about to start on ESPN2 and ESPN3 online...

As far as ugly americans, I don't think so... both teams put some nasty in it...

Thanks for the heads up, man.

[ElNono]

tbh, Spain is at a great moment generation-wise... they were never this good. Neither was Argentina until the "golder generation"... more or less all teams that reach this stage are pretty good...

Teams like Greece.... not so much

[TE]

There's no 7 game series in internationall ball... A bad day and you could be out of the competition... that can be both a plus and a curse...

The poster I responded presented up a hypothetical matchup between Spain and Argentina in a seven game series. I think Spain would win in 6. According to the poster's logic, it would be a sweep.

What do you think if it was a 7 game series?

[ElNono]

The poster I responded presented up a hypothetical matchup between Spain and Argentina in a seven game series. I think Spain would win in 6. According to the poster's logic, it would be a sweep.

What do you think if it was a 7 game series?

Right now, they're better. Don't know sweep, but they definitely win.... 6-7 years ago, ARG sweeps them... it's all pointless anyways, because there are no 7 games series. It's like hypothesizing if Marbury is a good player does Team USA wins gold in 2004... Marbury was never good, so it's a waste of time.

[TE]

Yeah totally agree with you there, but the spanish homer is overrating his team when Arg is not as far behind as he's putting then out to be. If I was to rate the teams in contention through a 0-100 rating.

I'd put:
team USA-97
Spain-89
Argentina-85
Brazil-84
France-81
Russia-80
Everyone else- < 80

[ElNono]

Spainfan should be proud, tbh... it's hard to be that good, and much like ARG, it's likely not really sustainable...

[TE]

Tbh I think he's just pissed off and jealous because his country hasn't rang gold in a generation of excellent Spain teams.

[TMTTRIO]

by the way what's up with the Argentina guards both having twins (Manu and Delfino)? That's crazy. You can almost form a future team there :).

[ace3g]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0722/nba_g_kobebts_576.jpg

[Venti Quattro]

The US is not running all of their stuff on O and D. By the time the Olympics hit, they're going to beat these teams by larger margins.

[Stabula]

The US is not running all of their stuff on O and D. By the time the Olympics hit, they're going to beat these teams by larger margins.

I wouldn't be so sure about that especially when you have players like Westbrick and LeChoke. Then there's that one washed up 2 guard that was named after Japanese cows.

[TE]

I wouldn't be so sure about that especially when you have players like Westbrick and LeChoke. Then there's that one washed up 2 guard that was named after Japanese cows.

tbh when it counts, I'm more afraid of Westbrick's potential to fuck up games late in games.



Lebron won't fuck up games or choke. I think that label should be removed from him.

Melo is the culprit who would choke and under-perform as he's so use to doing.

If Melo ain't hitting his shots, he's useless in this type of game. Sure he rebounds, but other than that, the guy does nothing to help the offense or defense.

[TE]

I hate how coach K gives Melo so many minutes. He should play Anthony Davis or a more capable defensive player.

[Stabula]

Definitely agree that Melo should be demoted to water boy and Anthony Davis should be given a better chance to step up. That is if I wanted USA to win, which I don't.

[Stabula]

LeChoke always misses big free throws when it really counts. He's not clutch and gets streaky in the end game.

[ElNono]

The US is not running all of their stuff on O and D. By the time the Olympics hit, they're going to beat these teams by larger margins.

tbh, this is probably true, but there's good enough teams now where you're not going to see '92 Dream Team stuff, IMO... that team had an average winning margin of 42+ points per game...

They would completely wax the floor with this Team USA, IMO

[kaji157]

Croatia: Petrovic,Vrankovic,Kukoc,Radja and Tabak played in the NBA... but in 1992 only Petrovic and Vrankovic were playing in the NBA.


Lituania: Sabonis,Marciulionis played in the NBA......In 1992 only Marciulionis was in the NBA but Sabonis was much better player than he was when he came to the NBA ..... In 1992 he was better player than Scola,Prigioni,Delfino and surely Manu are today. Surely better than any player from Spain National Team too.

Same Petrovic tbh.


With or without NBA players in the rest of the teams 1992 Dream Team was much better than 2012 Dreaming Team is.

Of course, the 1992 team was better constructed and was the epithome of versatility, having many players to play many positions on different ways, they had easilly 5 players with bbiq off the charts, than no one on this team matches those top 3. And had 2 amazing defensive/offensive centers.

If you go by legend names, this team has only LeBron, Durant and Bryant,those are the only ones to be able to end their career at the status of the big names on the 1992 team.

I call it like this, 1992 was the dream team, this one is the ESPN team.

[Stabula]

They had Magic we have Westbrick. The comparison need go no further...

[MannyIsGod]

This US team is taking the gold. I'm taking bets if anyone doubts that.

[blkroadrunners]

Just finished watching the game on DVR. Ginobili's a boss, but my god, his Argentinian team gets uglier every Olympics.

[gambit1990]

This US team is taking the gold. I'm taking bets if anyone doubts that.

i don't doubt it either.

[romain.star]

Yeah totally agree with you there, but the spanish homer is overrating his team when Arg is not as far behind as he's putting then out to be. If I was to rate the teams in contention through a 0-100 rating.

I'd put:
team USA-97
Spain-92
Argentina-80
Russia-80
France - 77
Lithuania - 77
Brazil-76
Everyone else- < 75

Fixed

[ElNono]

This US team is taking the gold. I'm taking bets if anyone doubts that.

You're really going out on a limb with that prediction...

[ALVAREZ6]

You're really going out on a limb with that prediction...

:lol

USA winning gold is all but a guarantee. I'd say they have a 99% chance, rounding down to the nearest whole number.

[Stabula]

Too much over confidence for Team USA when you have the likes of Westbrick, LeChoke, and Mellow who could easily throw an important game away especially now that the competition is much more stacked.

[Frankie23]

For those who are saying nowadays many teams has nba players on their rosters, i want to say that Argentina in 2002 defaeted the Dream Team without active nba players (Sanchez and Wolkowisky played in the NBA, but they didn't have many playing time..). And in 2004, when they did it again, they only have Manu..

[Manutrix]

Kemmerichs

Drafted (http://www.nba.com/draft2002/profiles/federico_kammerichs.html) by the Portland Trail Blazers in 2002 (and severely underutilized by both coach Hernandez and Lamas, as I see it), you might want to add... (oh, I almost forget) tbh (is this some kind of inside joke or code??? have I missed something?) lol

[MmP]

to be honest

[MmP]

I didnt know Federico was drafted, certainly he seemed to have a lot a of future back in 2002/2003 when he played in spain. Dunno why he never became the great player he was considered to be

[Manutrix]

to be honest

Yeah, I know what it stands for, but ElNono and others seem to (over)use it on every single post (tbh) to the point they really don't sound honest at all anymore lol

[ElNono]

Yeah, I know what it stands for, but ElNono and others seem to (over)use it on every single post (tbh) to the point they really don't sound honest at all anymore lol

not sure what you mean, tbh

[Manutrix]

Are you honest, tbh? Like, really honest? lol

[MmP]

:lol Im calling out timvp here,
Im convinced that he started this 'tbh' trend in this board. If you read his threads or posts, im positive that 91% of his texts contains a 'tbh'