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racm
07-22-2012, 09:10 AM
Sons let's be honest here's how I think each division will pan out.

Atlantic

Boston (6th consecutive division title)
Brooklyn (slight edge over)
New York
Philadelphia (too close to call?)
Toronto

This division will be a dogfight, even moreso than the Southwest. Boston looks like a contender again, with an old hobbled Ray Allen being the only loss. The Nets have a starting five who can mesh well together, even if the Knicks' starters are more talented overall. The Sixers still have Iggy and an effective if controlling coach in Doug Collins, but turning Lou Williams and Elton Brand into Nick Young and Kwame Brown will make your team the butt of jokes. The Raptors look decent and could end up winning games against division rivals, but only because of Lowry and Valancunias.

Central

Indiana
Chicago
Milwaukee
Cleveland
Detroit

The Central is Indiana's to lose, as the Bulls gutted their roster in the assumption that Derrick Rose will be out until the All-Star Break at the least. However Thibodeau is a defensive guy who pushes his guys to compete until the final buzzer, and he still has Luol Deng to run into the ground. The Bucks may make some noise, but are as likely to fall short of the playoffs. The Cavs have a good, promising youth movement but aren't taking the leap to contender... yet. The Pistons are a mess, even with 9th pick Andre Drummond.

Southeast

Miami
Atlanta
Orlando (could be interchanged with Washington)
Washington
Charlotte

The division is the defending champions' to lose. Ray Allen will help, and so will Rashard Lewis to a lesser extent. LeBron still has a lot in the tank, and even if Wade remains relatively hobbled they still have most of the championship core. The Hawks have lost Joe Johnson but have compensated for it with Lou Williams and Kyle Korver. While they aren't gonna contend any moment yet they will win games. Orlando is a mess, regardless of where Dwight Howard ends up. Letting their second best player in Ryan Anderson walk is a good idea, but Rob Hennigan is sending mixed signals. Washington and Charlotte have had good draft picks, and the former has a solid veteran frontcourt and could contend for the 8th seed. The latter will win more games, but that's easy to do when you win only 7 games :lol.

Northwest

Oklahoma City
Denver
Minnesota
Utah
Portland

The Thunder have a good young core and look poised to win a ring before James Harden's and Serge Ibaka's extensions enter Sam Presti's mind. The Nuggets have a roster that goes three deep at every position, but their serious hopes for contention will have to rely on their young core taking the next step. The Wolves hope a backcourt with one good knee between them will help them get to the playoffs - though it must be said Ricky Rubio's game has never been too reliant on athleticism, and anytime you can turn starting Wes Johnson and Michael Beasley into Brandon Roy and Chase Budinger you can only improve. The Jazz could make the playoffs, but they only did so because Portland decided to blow it up, Rubio tore his knee, and the Rockets and Suns faltered down the stretch. The Blazers are in full-on rebuilding mode - starting at least one rookie for practically the entire season signals that, unless you're the Spurs or a truly contending team.

Pacific

LA Lakers
LA Clippers
Golden State
Phoenix
Sacramento

The Lakers and Clippers will be in a dogfight for the division, but ultimately the Lakers' Big Four of Nash/Bryant/Gasol/Bynum(or even Howard, if the trade goes off) will triumph over the deep roster led by CP3 and Blake "monkeyballer" Griffin. The Warriors will likely finish around .500 as they have their starting five in place (although :lol Jefferson will likely start at season start). If Bogut and Curry hold up for a good chunk of the season they could even sneak into the playoffs. The Suns will sorely miss Steve Nash, and although the return of Goran Dragic and the additions of Luis Scola and Michael Beasley will help compensate, I doubt they will make serious noise. The Kings are a mess - a logjam in the backcourt and having off-the-court problems in Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins. It's like Washington East!

Southwest

San Antonio
Memphis (can be exchanged with Dallas)
Dallas
New Orleans (could be exchanged with Houston)
Houston

:flag: As the Suns prove, a high powered offense will give you a very good regular season record. The Spurs have led the Western Conference two years in a row, and barring major injury they look to finish no worse than top 3. The Grizzlies ironically helped a divisional rival by letting OJ Mayo walk to the Mavericks, and although the core of Gay/Randolph/Gasol/Conley is one that plays tough, physical D, they are still conflicted on how to run an offense, what with Randolph preferring to play in the paint and Gay being an isolation perimeter specialist. The Mavericks lost out on Deron Williams, but have added youth with the acquisitions of Mayo and Darren Collison. They also have the most German frontcourt in the league with Dirk and Chris Kaman. The Hornets have added the No 1 pick in Anthony Davis, retained Eric Gordon (much to BR's chagrin of course) and added Ryan Anderson. Likewise, the Rockets have a young roster all due to Daryl Morey's tinkering (of their 10-man rotation, only Kevin Martin and Chandler Parsons are left) and are led by Jeremy "turnover machine/Asian Savior" Lin.

Latarian Milton
07-22-2012, 07:00 PM
and you see it, when someone starts a threat with serious basketball talk, no replies and it's diving down soon. it only stays on page one because the site has been rather quiet as a whole recently, that's what the site is made to be

Stabula
07-22-2012, 07:08 PM
Spurs will be #1 seed third year in a row. I think OKC's Harden is starting to lose confidence in his game.

racm
07-22-2012, 07:12 PM
Spurs will be #1 seed third year in a row. I think OKC's Harden is starting to lose confidence in his game.

Got exposed in the Finals tbh, even Manu outplayed him

And Latarian: Yeah, the NBA Forum has a worse trolling to real NBA talk ratio than even 4chan. :rollin

TD 21
07-22-2012, 07:38 PM
I agree with the vast majority of this, with the exception of two things . . .

1) The Magic being third. It might sound incomprehensible for the Bobcats to finish ahead of anyone, but they at least added a few NBA players to their team. Meanwhile, if a few of the veterans on bad contracts get dealt with Howard (Turkoglu, Richardson, Davis, Duhon) and the return is what I suspect it will be, which is either Varejao, a few fringe players and a boatload of picks or a bunch of the Rockets young guys and a boatload of picks, they will have the worst team in the league.

2) The Timberwolves ahead of the Jazz. This one could go either way, but I'll go Jazz, because Rubio is out to start the season (though his rookie season was overrated, he seemed to give the team belief, which is particularly big for a perennial bottom feeder) and the pieces don't fit as seamlessly. Plus, the Williamses' upgrade Harris, who was terrible last season and the corpse of Howard.

I'll do it Conference style . . .

East

1. Heat
2. Celtics
3. Pacers
4. Bulls
5. Nets
6. Knicks
7. Hawks
8. 76ers
9. Bucks
10. Raptors
11. Wizards
12. Cavaliers
13. Pistons
14. Bobcats
15. Magic

West

1. Spurs
2. Thunder
3. Lakers
4. Clippers
5. Grizzlies
6. Mavericks
7. Nuggets
8. Jazz
9. Timberwolves
10. Warriors
11. Suns
12. Kings
13. Trail Blazers
14. Hornets
15. Rockets

Spurs da champs
07-22-2012, 07:39 PM
Got exposed in the Finals tbh, even Manu outplayed him

And Latarian: Yeah, the NBA Forum has a worse trolling to real NBA talk ratio than even 4chan. :rollin

Harden outplayed Manu games 2-6 & on Minnesota I just don't see them being better then Utah, Roy can't be depended on to give them big time minutes in a 82 game season & Budinger got benched in favor of a rookie dude is garbo.

Detroit I think if Drummond keeps a good work ethic & motor & Knight as well as Monroe are just gonna keep getting better so I'm not gonna say they'll make the playoffs but they will be better then the Cavaliers imo.

I see Washington being better then Atlanta as well, Joe was their closer & best player, I just don't see Horford or Smith filling that void. John Wall is gonna be a monster this coming season & he'll carry the Wizards to an 8 seed imo.

But rest of your list is solid & I agree.

Stabula
07-22-2012, 07:46 PM
Got exposed in the Finals tbh, even Manu outplayed him

And Latarian: Yeah, the NBA Forum has a worse trolling to real NBA talk ratio than even 4chan. :rollin

Not to mention the continuing exposure of his nose diving game in the national exhibition games. Harden did not outplay Manu games 2-6. Manu outplayed him at least half the time and that's before Harden started to nose dive.

racm
07-22-2012, 09:22 PM
Yeah, Manu was doing things better than Harden. Shame the latter's flops cost the Spurs Game 6.

fevertrees
07-22-2012, 09:25 PM
Hornets won't be THAT bad

TE
07-23-2012, 12:35 AM
I agree with the vast majority of this, with the exception of two things . . .

1) The Magic being third. It might sound incomprehensible for the Bobcats to finish ahead of anyone, but they at least added a few NBA players to their team. Meanwhile, if a few of the veterans on bad contracts get dealt with Howard (Turkoglu, Richardson, Davis, Duhon) and the return is what I suspect it will be, which is either Varejao, a few fringe players and a boatload of picks or a bunch of the Rockets young guys and a boatload of picks, they will have the worst team in the league.

2) The Timberwolves ahead of the Jazz. This one could go either way, but I'll go Jazz, because Rubio is out to start the season (though his rookie season was overrated, he seemed to give the team belief, which is particularly big for a perennial bottom feeder) and the pieces don't fit as seamlessly. Plus, the Williamses' upgrade Harris, who was terrible last season and the corpse of Howard.

I'll do it Conference style . . .

East

1. Heat
2. Celtics
3. Pacers
4. Bulls
5. Nets
6. Knicks
7. Hawks
8. 76ers
9. Bucks
10. Raptors
11. Wizards
12. Cavaliers
13. Pistons
14. Bobcats
15. Magic

West

1. Spurs
2. Thunder
3. Lakers
4. Clippers
5. Grizzlies
6. Mavericks
7. Nuggets
8. Jazz
9. Timberwolves
10. Warriors
11. Suns
12. Kings
13. Trail Blazers
14. Hornets
15. Rockets

On your conference lists, I would put Brooklyn over Chicago, given the injury to D. Rose in the East. Everything else in that list is good.

In the West, I'd put the Spurs #2. Mavs will be the 4th or 5th seed. I think Memphis and Utah round up the last two playoff berths.

Stabula
07-23-2012, 12:42 AM
Westbrick and Hardon will make sure the Spurs take the #1 seed again.

racm
07-23-2012, 01:08 AM
Only if Westbrook has a 3-11 or 6-20 shooting night and Harden misses layups :lol

tlongII
07-23-2012, 01:29 AM
The Blazers will be better than you morons think.

pass1st
07-23-2012, 01:37 AM
The Blazers will be better than you morons think.

:lmao

Kidd K
07-23-2012, 01:41 AM
----EAST----

Atlantic:

Boston (barely)
New York (will do better and finally produce in a mediocre division)
New Jersey (will underwhelm fans with average play)
Philly (under .500, last year was a fluke)
Toronto (tanking again, they still suck)


Central:

Indiana (close)
Chicago (no Rose = struggles)
Cleveland (I believe they will be .500+ and are done tanking now)
Millwaukee (might tank, but even if they don't they will be sub .500)
Detroit (still tanking for another year or two)


Southeast:

Miami (in a landslide)
Atlanta (possibly under .500 or tanking)
Washington (May tank, but even if they don't, still not a good team)
Orlando (I think they're tanking to get draft picks)
Charlotte (tanking for at LEAST another 2 years. They're terrible)




----WEST----


Northwest:

Oklahoma City (will be battling for a top 2 spot all year)
Minnesota (possible surprise team of the year, if they actually try)
Denver (will barely make playoffs)
Portland (holding off tanking for another season, but won't be great)
Utah (tanking now imo, it's past time to tank for picks for Utah)


Pacific:

Lakers (easily, unless they get multiple injuries)
Clippers (about the same as last year performance wise, maybe worse)
Golden State (mediocre team that needs to tank, but they won't)
Sacramento (I think they're a legit .500 team, but who knows if they won't tank again. If they don't, I put them above the the Warriors easily)
Phoenix (time to tank folks. It's over)


Southwest:

San Antonio (unless they get hurt)
Memphis (will be a threat to pass SA if SA gets key injuries)
Dallas (Cuban blew it last 2 years. Now a 6-8 seed at best.)
Houston (they blew their decent team up. Screwed and needs to rebuild. But something tells me they won't tank with McHale there)
New Orleans (Imo they will tank one more time even with Davis. But maybe they'll give it the "come see us" treatment and go for .500.)



By Conference:


---EAST---

1: Miami
2: Indiana
3: Boston
4: New York
5: Chicago
6: New Jersey
7: Cleveland
8: Philly or Atlanta
10-15: Annual useless eastern conference tankers



---WEST---


1: Oklahoma City
2: LA Lakers
3: San Antonio
4: Memphis
5: LA Clippers
6: Minnesota
7: Dallas
8: Denver
9: Portland
10: Sacremento
11: Golden State
12-15: tankers


Notes:

The east will still be complete garbage after the 5-6 seed. We may see some huge win totals for Miami, and possibly Indiana and New York this coming year, since as usual, the east is loaded down with terrible lottery teams who won't even be trying to win.

Miami will destroy the eastern conference and it won't be close. The eastern conference playoffs will once again be, "so what's happening in the western conference playoffs?" The Heat have no legitimate competition out east right now. D. Rose better come back 100% before the playoffs, otherwise we might's well just skip that bracket entirely unless LeBron or Wade goes down with a severe injury.


The west is harder to predict this year imo, because it's up in the air which teams are going to be tanking. Many are in flux right now as for what to do. Sacramento and New Orleans have been doing a good job tanking, but if you ever watched much of their games last year you'd know they could've done much better. If either team decides to stop tanking now, they could potentially be a playoff threat.

I think the Wolves make a nice showing this year, but the Clippers won't improve, neither will Denver, and Dallas will stay at the bottom. . .if they're healthy. I could see them possibly dropping out of the playoffs tbh, if one of those former tankers decides to start trying.

Portland, and Utah are probably the biggest question marks. Middle of the pack teams that can make the playoffs, but should they? They'd only lose in the first round.

Houston destroyed their chances of a good team this offseason. Let both their good PGs walk and signed an inferior one. Cut Scola, one of their best players, and replaced him with nothing. Martin is injury prone, and the rest are mediocre. Good luck Rockets fans, I feel bad for you.

racm
07-23-2012, 01:51 AM
New Orleans was just an outmatched team, period. Did you see how many narrow losses they had?