Matt Bonner Playoffs

[maverick1948]

Matt Bonner was playing solid minutes for 11 games in the 2012 WCF. The Spurs were 10-1. When he was on the bench for 3 games except for 3 minutes, the Spurs were 0-3. Yet according to many on here he was missing in the playoffs. It seems like he was doing his part. When he was on the bench he cant shoot the basketball. He cant rebound the basketball and he cant play defense either. Yet, he is blamed by some on here as the reason for losing. Same with Blair. These 2 players should ask for a trade to anywhere just to get away from the stupid people who blame them for the loss in the WCF. He is not my favorite player but he has played well for the Spurs every season he has been here. If you want to blame someone for the Spurs loss. BLAME POP. He went away from what got us there and we lost.

10-1 with him
0-3 without him

How important was he?

:toast

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Oh shit. Here comes the mahoob.

[maverick1948]

10-1 with him

03 without him

[vander]

If Bonner played for the Thunder, Spurs would probably have swept the Thunder

if Bonner played for the Heat, they would have lost to NY

in the playoffs
if given the choice between having Lebron play against you or Bonner play for you, any sane coherent person would take the former

[racm]

That doesn't matter. There was a play where Bonner was wide open for a 3 in the WCF, but he decided to try and drive. Ugh.

The Thunder would noticeably go on a run whenever he entered. Unlike most 3 point specialists whose percentages drop off in the playoffs because defenses account for them, OKC ignored him and his percentage still dropped. Wow.

Although he was passable in the Jazz series.

[50 cent]

Matt Bonner fucking sucks. If you don't realize that by now, you haven't been watching long enough.

[siraulo23]

good one :lol

[Sean Cagney]

10-1 with him

03 without him

0 titles with him playing, 1 title with his ass on the bench except garbage time, chew on that stat.........

[Budkin]

Do you even watch Spurs games?

[ElNono]

I wonder why he was sitting on the bench :lol

[lakerhaterade]

Matt Bonner fucking sucks. If you don't realize that by now, you haven't been watching long enough.

This, tbfh.

[KaiRMD1]

I wonder why he was sitting on the bench :lol

I wish he STAYED on the bench.

[Sean Cagney]

0 titles with him playing, 1 title with his ass on the bench except garbage time, chew on that stat.........

Once again fool for you....:rollin

NO SPURS FAN with a mind of their own likes that idiot, period end of story, he is utter shyt and his playoff stats are horrible! Infact it starts before the playoffs, his stats start to fall before then as he is scared as hell when the real games come it seems.

[racm]

Hey, he improved this year. He didn't disappear in the first round :lmao

[benefactor]

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[Mel_13]

10-1 with him
0-3 without him



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

[mystargtr34]

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:rollin

[therealtruth]

The Thunder would noticeably go on a run whenever he entered. Unlike most 3 point specialists whose percentages drop off in the playoffs because defenses account for them, OKC ignored him and his percentage still dropped. Wow.


He was the weakest link.

[pookenstein]

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:lmao

[Brazil]

like we needed another bonner thread

[SenorSpur]

Matt Bonner fucking sucks. If you don't realize that by now, you haven't been watching long enough.

^ There it is. :toast

And the Spurs are far worse in any playoff game, and at any time, in which Bonner is on the floor.

[turkish spurs fan]

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[Drz]

Matt Bonner was playing solid minutes for 11 games in the 2012 WCF. The Spurs were 10-1. When he was on the bench for 3 games except for 3 minutes, the Spurs were 0-3. Yet according to many on here he was missing in the playoffs. It seems like he was doing his part. When he was on the bench he cant shoot the basketball. He cant rebound the basketball and he cant play defense either. Yet, he is blamed by some on here as the reason for losing. Same with Blair. These 2 players should ask for a trade to anywhere just to get away from the stupid people who blame them for the loss in the WCF. He is not my favorite player but he has played well for the Spurs every season he has been here. If you want to blame someone for the Spurs loss. BLAME POP. He went away from what got us there and we lost.

10-1 with him
0-3 without him

How important was he?

:toast
I love how not one single person in this thread has addressed what you brought up. Although I guess the guy who posted the correlation/causation wiki article was close.

I've fought this fight many times before, and have given up. People here are extraordinarily stubborn, moreso than anywhere else I've ever seen. You can explain the most basic thing in the clearest way possible, and they'll still fail to comprehend it.

[ElNono]

I love how not one single person in this thread has addressed what you brought up. Although I guess the guy who posted the correlation/causation wiki article was close.


I wonder why he was sitting on the bench :lol

Should've used blue, I guess...

[Drz]

I meant addressed why the team was 0-3 when he didn't play, and 10-1 when he did.

[ElNono]

Well, we went over the numbers already... definitely not him...

[Stabula]

Get ready for a break out season from Bonner.

[Sean Cagney]

Get ready for a break out season from Bonner.

Yeah regular season the first few months, then the stretch run begins and his numbers fade! THEN the playoffs and even further they will fade!!!!!!!!!! Oh BONNER you suck, you are utter shit later in the year. :wow:depressed
I meant addressed why the team was 0-3 when he didn't play, and 10-1 when he did.

Yeah because he had a ton of mins in the Clips series they swept! YEP he is the reason they were 10-1 and not many others out there! Thats it! His playoff numbers suck every year pretty much and he has one good series this year and now he is the reason they lost the last three games!


Come on man stop it, he is not clutch at all later in the year, he doesn't play good D. He puts the damn ball on the floor instead of shooting the open three, misses rotations and so on. Bonner is not a good player later in the year, he shoots what in the playoffs for how many years now? What is his PCT. in the playoffs? Is he good on D? LOL at his fans in here, stop it, he sucks and we all know it FULLY!

[Sean Cagney]

BTW the game he plays the most mins or near it in the playoffs, game 3 at OKC! What does he do fan boys? 0-4 and 0-3 from three, guess playing him the 23 mins in game three after little in games one and two helped out alot! YEP he is the reason they lost 4 in a row by sitting! Infact that bozo started it with his horrendous shooting.

Round two against LAC? Well look at his whopping game stats in the sweep! WOW a whopping 2.5 ppg or whatever he had! YES he is the reason they swept! Good lord BONNER fans get a clue he is utter shit, sucks.
Matt Bonner was playing solid minutes for 11 games in the 2012 WCF. The Spurs were 10-1. When he was on the bench for 3 games except for 3 minutes, the Spurs were 0-3. Yet according to many on here he was missing in the playoffs. It seems like he was doing his part. When he was on the bench he cant shoot the basketball. He cant rebound the basketball and he cant play defense either. Yet, he is blamed by some on here as the reason for losing. Same with Blair. These 2 players should ask for a trade to anywhere just to get away from the stupid people who blame them for the loss in the WCF. He is not my favorite player but he has played well for the Spurs every season he has been here. If you want to blame someone for the Spurs loss. BLAME POP. He went away from what got us there and we lost.

10-1 with him
0-3 without him

How important was he?

:toast

So important his most mins in a series was game 3 against OKC and he went 0-4 shooting! In 23 mins and they lost the game! He played his most mins there I think in the playoffs! WOW great post! I guess they should have played him 30 and got burned more on D in game 4 etc. and had him shoot worse! Try again faggot.


Last time we won a title the bozo got 2 minutes per game, coincidence? I think not.

SEASON TEAM GP GS MIN FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
'06-'07 SA 9 0 2.8 0.2-0.8 .286 0.1-0.4 .250 0.2-0.2 1.000 0.2 0.1 0.3 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.7 0.3 0.8


That his playoff stats in two mins a game, to bad he can't be there again :lol

[Drz]

Sean, I've learned from other threads that you're a lost cause, but I'll try one more time. You're looking at the wrong stats. The effect of a stretch-4 won't show up in the box score, you have to look the production of the various 5-man units when he's on and off the floor.

[therealtruth]

I love how not one single person in this thread has addressed what you brought up. Although I guess the guy who posted the correlation/causation wiki article was close.

I've fought this fight many times before, and have given up. People here are extraordinarily stubborn, moreso than anywhere else I've ever seen. You can explain the most basic thing in the clearest way possible, and they'll still fail to comprehend it.

So you advocate more Bonner? Maybe we should just start him and play him 48 minutes?

[racm]

So you advocate more Bonner? Maybe we should just start him and play him 48 minutes?

The Spurs started the season 0-3 and got bounced by the Mavs in the first round when Bonner was a starter. :lmao

[maverick1948]

I love how not one single person in this thread has addressed what you brought up. Although I guess the guy who posted the correlation/causation wiki article was close.

I've fought this fight many times before, and have given up. People here are extraordinarily stubborn, moreso than anywhere else I've ever seen. You can explain the most basic thing in the clearest way possible, and they'll still fail to comprehend it.


I posted this because things were too quiet on the board. Just had to stir up the Bonner haters for another time. Of course, you are correct when you said no one address the 10-1 and 0-3 stat. My question is this "If Bonner had spelled Tim and Boris just 10 mins in each of the last 3 games would they have had a little more in the gas tank at the end of those games?" But no one ever thinks like this. They think because SJax had 4 big games he made the Spurs better but sad correlation against OKC his 4 games with minutes and points resulted in 0-4 record.

[Sean Cagney]

Sean, I've learned from other threads that you're a lost cause, but I'll try one more time. You're looking at the wrong stats. The effect of a stretch-4 won't show up in the box score, you have to look the production of the various 5-man units when he's on and off the floor.

LOL at me lost cause, you are just a fucking idiot......... Horry was a stretch 4, guess what he played D and hit big shots! Thats what they do from time to time you know. You are seriously just dumb, period. Bonner is one of your faves we get it, he sucks, deal with it we hate him and it's justified.


LOL the effect of a stretch four, he will pump fake a wide open three later on and drive it and kill a drive, plus his D sparks the other team at times. Go ahead and keep thinking this clown helps, we have 0 titles to prove it since he got mins on this team in the playoffs (Proof is the numbers, period).
I posted this because things were too quiet on the board. Just had to stir up the Bonner haters for another time. Of course, you are correct when you said no one address the 10-1 and 0-3 stat. My question is this "If Bonner had spelled Tim and Boris just 10 mins in each of the last 3 games would they have had a little more in the gas tank at the end of those games?" But no one ever thinks like this. They think because SJax had 4 big games he made the Spurs better but sad correlation against OKC his 4 games with minutes and points resulted in 0-4 record.
Yeah Jax is the reason we lost, one of the few with heard, dumbass. My God are you just dense? Bonners most mins at 23 in game 3 a loss and 0-4 atleast, Jax hit a few threes in the series when he got mins and almost stole a game there. Bonner never seems to make shit. You are a sharp shooter where are your buckets at player?

I don't even take you guys seriously, your posts are a joke.

[Sean Cagney]

Whats even more funny is our role players used to hit shots and make key plays like Horry, Barry and Bowen etc., nowadays we are arguing over what doesn't shot up % wise and so on from a stretch guy? When the fuck is that stretch guy going to actually hit a big shot or do something big? Yeah I will wait for your pathetic answers (When he actually has that KEY GAME to push them over the top).


BUT HE STRETCHES THE FLOOR, well what good series has he had when it gets deep? Doesn't he eventually have to hit a shot before he does a cot damn thing? Your excuses are pathetic after a while BONNER fans, get a clue he sucks and never had that IT factor a Horry, Barry or Bowen had (GOD I miss real players here as far as roles go).

[Drz]

(Proof is the numbers, period).
Yay, a response from Sean Cagney, always a highlight of my day! I especially loved your little gem above. :) :lol

There were quite a few questions in your response, but I've got a flight to catch so I'm going to just focus on one.


Doesn't he eventually have to hit a shot before he does a cot damn thing?
No! No he doesn't! That's the beauty of it. He just has to have the threat of being able to hit the 3 point shot. That's what raises the %s and stats of the other four players on the floor. And people can say all they want about teams knowing Bonner's not clutch and thus they'll back off, but that's extreme BS. There's absolutely no way teams will back off a player who led the league in 3P% two years ago, and consistently shoots 40%+ from 3P land year after year after year.

Smart teams WILL slightly back off of him, to disrupt the interior defense, but only slightly. They will NOT back up so far as to give him an open 3.

Remember, on average, a team makes about 1 point per possession, so if a team makes > about 33% of its threes, it's already doing great on its offense. And that ignores the effect of rebounding (3 pointers are more likely to be rebounded by the offense than 2 pointers). An open Bonner makes far more than 33%.

(Question: Does anyone have the actual number of offensive points per possession, both NBA-wide and for the Spurs? That would affect the the 3P% that needs to be made pretty greatly. I know it's "abount" 1, but an exact number would be helpful.)

[DMC]

Bonner is the stop gap that Pop uses in shit minutes. That's when we won.He's also the roulette gamble Pop takes when he needs points and no one else can throw the ball into the ocean. That's when we lost. Bonner got ass raped by the Thunder. The opponent attacks Bonner as soon as he get on the floor. It's like putting Justin Beiber in prison.

It's one thing to have shitty defense and piss poor ball handling skills, but Bonner goes beyond that. He makes poor decisions in big moments. The guy gets paid millions a year just to do one thing: shoot the fucking three ball. Teammates move the ball around, set picks and end up with a wide open Bonner. They pass to him and does he shoot? Fuck no, he freezes then puts the ball on the floor and drives 3 steps into the lane and kicks it back out. If many years and many millions cannot get a guy to shoot the fucking ball, he's a lost cause. I say the same for Diaw except he has redeeming qualities.

If Bonner played for another team, would we want to acquire him? No. That means I don't want to keep him.

[ElNono]

If Bonner played for another team, would we want to acquire him? No. That means I don't want to keep him.

IMO, it's a repeat of the Roger Mason JR situation. He went from rotation player on the Spurs to bench cheerleader/borderline out of the league when he left the Spurs.

[ElNono]

(Question: Does anyone have the actual number of offensive points per possession, both NBA-wide and for the Spurs? That would affect the the 3P% that needs to be made pretty greatly. I know it's "abount" 1, but an exact number would be helpful.)

As far as regular season, per here: http://www.nba.com/powerrankings/

The league has averaged 93.7 possessions (per team) per 48 minutes and 101.9 points scored per 100 possessions.

That puts the league average at 1.019 points per possession.
Spurs finished with 1.082 points per possession.

As far as the playoffs, up to Game 2 against the Thunder they were actually better (according to this (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/44215/the-spurs-good-looks))
The Spurs averaged 1.085 points per possession in the regular season, and are at a 1.087 clip in the playoffs

Which actually puts to bed the narrative that Matt is a vital cog in the Spurs offense, seeing that his production tanked in the playoffs (per the usual), and he posted amongst the worst offensive numbers in the entire team, yet the offense ran just as well (slightly better actually) then. Or it could just be a small sample size...

[therealtruth]

Bonner is the stop gap that Pop uses in shit minutes. That's when we won.He's also the roulette gamble Pop takes when he needs points and no one else can throw the ball into the ocean. That's when we lost. Bonner got ass raped by the Thunder. The opponent attacks Bonner as soon as he get on the floor. It's like putting Justin Beiber in prison.

It's one thing to have shitty defense and piss poor ball handling skills, but Bonner goes beyond that. He makes poor decisions in big moments. The guy gets paid millions a year just to do one thing: shoot the fucking three ball. Teammates move the ball around, set picks and end up with a wide open Bonner. They pass to him and does he shoot? Fuck no, he freezes then puts the ball on the floor and drives 3 steps into the lane and kicks it back out. If many years and many millions cannot get a guy to shoot the fucking ball, he's a lost cause. I say the same for Diaw except he has redeeming qualities.

If Bonner played for another team, would we want to acquire him? No. That means I don't want to keep him.

Agreed. The people who argue Bonner is actually a few shots off from his reg. season average miss the point. You can't compare's Bonner's percentages with other playoff performers because he won't take big shots and he won't shoot unless he's wide open.

[therealtruth]

Yay, a response from Sean Cagney, always a highlight of my day! I especially loved your little gem above. :) :lol

There were quite a few questions in your response, but I've got a flight to catch so I'm going to just focus on one.


No! No he doesn't! That's the beauty of it. He just has to have the threat of being able to hit the 3 point shot. That's what raises the %s and stats of the other four players on the floor. And people can say all they want about teams knowing Bonner's not clutch and thus they'll back off, but that's extreme BS. There's absolutely no way teams will back off a player who led the league in 3P% two years ago, and consistently shoots 40%+ from 3P land year after year after year.

Smart teams WILL slightly back off of him, to disrupt the interior defense, but only slightly. They will NOT back up so far as to give him an open 3.

Remember, on average, a team makes about 1 point per possession, so if a team makes > about 33% of its threes, it's already doing great on its offense. And that ignores the effect of rebounding (3 pointers are more likely to be rebounded by the offense than 2 pointers). An open Bonner makes far more than 33%.

(Question: Does anyone have the actual number of offensive points per possession, both NBA-wide and for the Spurs? That would affect the the 3P% that needs to be made pretty greatly. I know it's "abount" 1, but an exact number would be helpful.)

No one is arguing you don't have to defend him at all. All you have to do is put a little effort in closing out on him and he won't shoot. In fact you can use guards to do it so that the big can cheat. That's what destroys the offense. When the team has gone through the trouble of finding him space to get a shot off and he doesn't shoot and takes a few dribbles and passes.

[Duncan2177]

No one is arguing you don't have to defend him at all. All you have to do is put a little effort in closing out on him and he won't shoot. In fact you can use guards to do it so that the big can cheat. That's what destroys the offense. When the team has gone through the trouble of finding him space to get a shot off and he doesn't shoot and takes a few dribbles and passes.

That's called being useless.And that's what Bonner is.

[Indazone]

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Oh shit!

[Sean Cagney]

Yay, a response from Sean Cagney, always a highlight of my day! I especially loved your little gem above. :) :lol

There were quite a few questions in your response, but I've got a flight to catch so I'm going to just focus on one.


No! No he doesn't! That's the beauty of it. He just has to have the threat of being able to hit the 3 point shot. That's what raises the %s and stats of the other four players on the floor. And people can say all they want about teams knowing Bonner's not clutch and thus they'll back off, but that's extreme BS. There's absolutely no way teams will back off a player who led the league in 3P% two years ago, and consistently shoots 40%+ from 3P land year after year after year.

Smart teams WILL slightly back off of him, to disrupt the interior defense, but only slightly. They will NOT back up so far as to give him an open 3.

Remember, on average, a team makes about 1 point per possession, so if a team makes > about 33% of its threes, it's already doing great on its offense. And that ignores the effect of rebounding (3 pointers are more likely to be rebounded by the offense than 2 pointers). An open Bonner makes far more than 33%.

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Not in the playoffs, he does not! He makes less than 33% for his career right? Pathetic! LOL at he doesn't need to hit shots, sure! Yeah have him out there who is a liability on D and missing shots but he spreads the floor! I guess Sheed who once said give the ball to whoever he is guarding was wrong! HIS +/- is okay so he is a sure bet! No matter making shots or not he spreads the got damn fucking floor! I swear you Bonner fans get old after a while with that shit!

Horry spreads the floor, guess what he hit shots too and got stops on D etc.! Bonner will never have a breakout key game to help the team win a fucking game in the playoffs, if he was on our team in game 5 05 we lose by 10 or so, stop it. Bonner is useless after March, Period.
No one is arguing you don't have to defend him at all. All you have to do is put a little effort in closing out on him and he won't shoot. In fact you can use guards to do it so that the big can cheat. That's what destroys the offense. When the team has gone through the trouble of finding him space to get a shot off and he doesn't shoot and takes a few dribbles and passes.

Don't tell him that there, he will come up with he spreads the floor and makes others better! Although the game he got the most mins in the playoffs we lost and he was 0-4! But he spread the floor there! :wow:lmao

[chazley]

Oh shit!

your sig = do me

[TimDunkem]

Oh shit!

I have to know who that is in your sig.

[Sean Cagney]

I have to know who that is in your sig.

:greedy:wow:wow

[BackHome]

I don't know what Boner is spreading but is sure as hell isn't the floor.

[Drz]

No one is arguing you don't have to defend him at all. All you have to do is put a little effort in closing out on him and he won't shoot. In fact you can use guards to do it so that the big can cheat. That's what destroys the offense. When the team has gone through the trouble of finding him space to get a shot off and he doesn't shoot and takes a few dribbles and passes.
Actually, I agree, and that's my point -- teams have to close out on him, so we're playing 4-on-4 offense when he's on the floor. And 4 on 4 allows a team to score more points than 5 on 5.


That's called being useless.And that's what Bonner is.
If by "useless" you mean not taking many shots, yes, he's useless. But there's a big difference between Matt Bonner standing there being useless and you standing there being useless. One of the two examples has to be guarded, usually by a big.

[Sean Cagney]

Actually, I agree, and that's my point -- teams have to close out on him, so we're playing 4-on-4 offense when he's on the floor. And 4 on 4 allows a team to score more points than 5 on 5.


If by "useless" you mean not taking many shots, yes, he's useless. But there's a big difference between Matt Bonner standing there being useless and you standing there being useless. One of the two examples has to be guarded, usually by a big.

Bullshit, he can stand there alone and miss a shot or later on drive in and mess up a whole drive because he was scared to shoot, I have seen that a few times! He seems scared to pull the trigger later on and even wide open, why? Seriously I know you are a fan but he is not a stretch 4 like Pop wanted as in HORRY! He can't hit those big shots nor do the little things that is needed to win! He just doesn't have THAT IT it seems!

He is a great regular season shooter and does draw some out, but it seems later on in the year he just misses more and more and doesn't have that IT most great role players have! He is a decent role player I guess but not a key part to a title team nor will ever be IMO. He can spread the floor all he wants, but his D is lackluster and his % plummets later on in the year and thats a PURE FACT! It seems he is just what he is and not going to be a difference maker in a series! PERIOD. He is a 11-15 minute guy, period and no more or no less.