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Winehole23
07-31-2012, 12:37 AM
http://www.aei-ideas.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/gdp-478x338.jpg
The chart above shows annualized growth rates for: a) the quarterly, non-government, private-sector components of real GDP (personal consumption expenditures, gross private domestic investment, and net exports), see blue bars in chart, and b) the quarterly component of real GDP for “government consumption expenditures and gross investment” (brown bars).


First Trust Portfolios (Brian Wesbury et al.) is the only organization I know that calculates and reports “private real GDP” on a regular basis, here’s their most recent commentary (http://www.ftportfolios.com/Commentary/EconomicResearch/2012/7/27/the-first-estimate-for-q2-real-gdp-growth-is-1.5percent-at-an-annual-rate): “We’ve been tracking real “private” GDP (real GDP excluding government purchases), which grew at a 2.2% annual rate in Q2 and is up 3.3% in the past year.”


In the second quarter of 2012, “public sector GDP” decreased -1.44%, and that was the eighth straight quarter of negative growth for total government spending, averaging -2.88% per quarter over the last two years. In contrast, there have been 12 consecutive quarters of positive growth for private sector GDP averaging 3.07% per quarter in the three years since the recession ended, which is slightly higher than the 2.8% average growth rate in private real GDP over the last 25 years.



Most of the decline in government spending over the last few years has come from cuts in defense spending at the federal level, and ongoing cuts in government spending by local and state governments.
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/07/maybe-private-sector-is-doing-fine-growth-in-post-recession-private-gdp-3-is-above-average/

boutons_deux
07-31-2012, 06:05 AM
Get back to us when the AEI gives a shit about jobs, and not just anti-govt/pro-austerity shilling for corporations and Repugs.

"Most of the decline in government spending over the last few years has come from cuts in defense spending"

do they have any numbers showing these "cuts in defense spending" ?

here's how those cuts work out:

"An Army proposal to stop work on the M1 Abrams tank to save $3 billion, has been blocked by the members of four key congressional committees."

http://cloudfront-files-1.iwatchnews.org/images/2012/07/abrams_ss.png

http://www.iwatchnews.org/2012/07/30/10480/key-findings?utm_source=iwatchnews&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=rss

Winehole23
07-31-2012, 07:32 AM
semi-coherence from boutons was expected. and frankly, so was the cowardly silence of board conservatives who refuse to acknowledge anything incongruent with the propaganda for power passsed around by their party.

scott
07-31-2012, 08:13 AM
Personally I'm a fan of whenever a flaw in bouton's programming is revealed, resulting in it to rant against its own team.

boutons_deux
07-31-2012, 08:28 AM
When will the AEI show how much better their cherished, private GDP growth would be doing if govt spending was not -1.44% but +5%?

Winehole23
07-31-2012, 08:33 AM
dunno what you want. the article already implies lower government spending is a significant drag on the economy.

CosmicCowboy
07-31-2012, 08:35 AM
When did reducing government spending become a BAD thing?

Th'Pusher
07-31-2012, 08:44 AM
When did reducing government spending become a BAD thing?

When it becomes a significant drag on the economy?

boutons_deux
07-31-2012, 08:48 AM
When did reducing government spending become a BAD thing?

In the middle of, eg, The Banksters Great Depression, or during any trough in unstable capitalism.

Winehole23
07-31-2012, 09:55 AM
When did reducing government spending become a BAD thing?in periods of economic contraction it has known hazards. the meme that all public spending is bad, is bird-brained.

Clipper Nation
07-31-2012, 10:03 AM
in periods of economic contraction it has known hazards. the meme that all public spending is bad, is bird-brained.

The idea that the government has to throw a shit ton of money at everything is equally dumb, tbh.....

Winehole23
07-31-2012, 10:04 AM
sure. there are no easy answers.

CosmicCowboy
07-31-2012, 10:07 AM
in periods of economic contraction it has known hazards. the meme that all public spending is bad, is bird-brained.

I never said all public spending was bad. I just prefer efficient public spending.

I deal with government inefficiency and incompetence all the time.

Winehole23
07-31-2012, 10:08 AM
we all do, CC. you want a medal?

Clipper Nation
07-31-2012, 10:14 AM
sure. there are no easy answers.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

Winehole23
07-31-2012, 10:24 AM
that's a fairly short answer. can you point out the easy part for me?

Clipper Nation
07-31-2012, 10:30 AM
that's a fairly short answer. can you point out the easy part for me?

Read the link, B.... it's all broken down and explained in detail....

boutons_deux
07-31-2012, 10:30 AM
The idea that the government has to throw a shit ton of money at everything is equally dumb, tbh.....

how big shitload is depends on how deep the recession/depression.

Obama's stimulus should have been near $2T, instead of a few $100B

Winehole23
07-31-2012, 10:33 AM
Read the link, B.... it's all broken down and explained in detail....read it. politically speaking, none of that would be easy to pass.

i'll put an even finer point on it: it all looks impossible.