chick fil a appreciation day!

[Clipper Nation]

Sarcasm. Geez
Maybe I misread your intentions, and for that I'm sorry, but I've heard that joke a million times from the "traditional marriage" crowd, and it's never once made sense to me.... I mean, if people are THAT miserable in their marriages, the problem is with them, not with innocent LBGT couples who have no control over the outcomes of straight marriages....

[Clipper Nation]

Yikes. I'd call myself a true libertarian, but I'd vote for Obama ten times (assuming no ID would be required) over Ron Paul.
If you'd truly vote ten times for someone who's demonstrated ZERO respect for the Constitution over Ron Paul da gawd, I question your libertarian credentials, B... Ron bless

[DarrinS]

If you'd truly vote ten times for someone who's demonstrated ZERO respect for the Constitution over Ron Paul da gawd, I question your libertarian credentials, B... Ron bless

Paul is a tad bit nutty, IMHO. That why truthers love him.

[Drachen]

If you'd truly vote ten times for someone who's demonstrated ZERO respect for the Constitution over Ron Paul da gawd, I question your libertarian credentials, B... Ron bless

as has been said before, if you want real libertarian laughs you should talk to Wild "the government should cut off your balls if you don't have enough money to care for a baby" Cobra.

[Clipper Nation]

Paul is a tad bit nutty, IMHO. That why truthers love him.
He is a bit nutty, I'll give you that, but it's more in an endearing way than in an Alex Jones conspiracy way.... for the record, Paul himself isn't a truther, tbh....


"the government should cut off your balls if you don't have enough money to care for a baby"
Romneycare: The Deleted Scenes...

[clambake]

as has been said before, if you want real libertarian laughs you should talk to Wild "the government should cut off your balls if you don't have enough money to care for a baby" Cobra.

wc is a welfare baby.

he hates himself.

privately.

[Crookshanks]

So as long as government does regulate it, you believe it should regulate it in a religious matter?

Which religion?

I'm trying to get a handle on what you mean,

All major religions recognize marriage as between a man and a woman, and it's been that way for over 2,000 years. Our laws are based on the ten commandments, and I believe this country was founded on christian principles - so yes, marriage should be regulated according to religious tenets.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

[clambake]

All major religions recognize marriage as between a man and a woman, and it's been that way for over 2,000 years. Our laws are based on the ten commandments, and I believe this country was founded on christian principles - so yes, marriage should be regulated according to religious tenets.

hey fuckhole, one of your commandments says there's only one god.

[Clipper Nation]

All major religions recognize marriage as between a man and a woman, and it's been that way for over 2,000 years. Our laws are based on the ten commandments, and I believe this country was founded on christian principles - so yes, marriage should be regulated according to religious tenets.

From the First Amendment....

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.This clause, according to the SCOTUS, establishes separation of church and state, and they have mostly affirmed it to be that way since 1879....

I'd also quote the part of the Constitution where marriage is defined, but there isn't one.....

[ElNono]

crofl... terrible that kind of ignorance is prevalent today, tbh...

I can understand Darrin's point that "change is hard", but that isn't the real problem here...

[ChumpDumper]

All major religions recognize marriage as between a man and a woman, and it's been that way for over 2,000 years. Our laws are based on the ten commandments, and I believe this country was founded on christian principles - so yes, marriage should be regulated according to religious tenets.Well, Abraham had three wives or one wife and a couple of concubines, depending on your religious interpretation -- and he's a seminal figure in three religions -- so we should go with that.

[scott]

I too support the traditional interpretation of marriage.

Hope my brother dies soon while his wife is still hot.

[ElNono]

and lol @ "normal people"

[Clipper Nation]

Cr:lol:lolkshanks disappearing from this thread after getting ethered...

[scott]

Support traditional marriage.

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/2/0/1/0/6/6/1/traditional-marriage-58355476463.jpeg

[Crookshanks]

Cr:lol:lolkshanks disappearing from this thread after getting ethered...

No - just tired of arguing. I know what I believe and why, and I'm not ashamed or uncomfortable with my christian beliefs. It's not worth my time to continue arguing with people who will never agree with me and who just love to make fun of me and my beliefs.

Lastly - I'm glad to have been a part of Chick-fil-A appreciation day, and it was a great encouragement to see the huge support all across the United States. I just hope this was a preview of what will happen at voting booths on November 6th - vote out the godless liberals.

Good night :married:

[ChumpDumper]

Big government thanks you for your support.

[CuckingFunt]

No - just tired of arguing. I know what I believe and why, and I'm not ashamed or uncomfortable with my christian beliefs. It's not worth my time to continue arguing with people who will never agree with me and who just love to make fun of me and my beliefs.

Lastly - I'm glad to have been a part of Chick-fil-A appreciation day, and it was a great encouragement to see the huge support all across the United States. I just hope this was a preview of what will happen at voting booths on November 6th - vote out the godless liberals.

Good night :married:

What about the liberals who aren't godless?

Or is that an impossibility?

[Clipper Nation]

I just hope this was a preview of what will happen at voting booths on November 6th - vote out the godless liberals.
Voters like you are the reason why nothing ever changes and government control continues to grow regardless of the party... it's all about "rah rah, go Team (Red/Blue)" and not about actual policy.... Ron bless

[Capt Bringdown]

Funny how these godly family people embrace the values of radical Islam.

Sharia law appreciation day at Chick fil a

Support the troops by showering love on a business spending millions to spread values similar to the Taliban.

[The Reckoning]

:cry gay rights for chicken :cry


who cares? dont eat there if you dont like their message. it's a private business that's not breaking any laws.

supply and demand. use it as your 'vote'.

[leemajors]

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/e86050c415/kfc-loves-gays-with-john-goodman?playlist=featured_videos

[jack sommerset]

Im glad their stance on gay marriage is out there. I've gotten the kids breakfast there twice since the story broke and they loved it. For me I know the money is going to a good business with good morals. God bless

[ChumpDumper]

Why do you want big government to regulate marriage, jack?

[jack sommerset]

Never said I did, brother. I need to pick and choose carefully when I reply to your silly questions. To be honest and straight forward you get confused, easily. You're confusion leads you to silly conclusions and accusations. God bless

[clambake]

god can't teach your kids to hate without your help. good job, jack.

[ChumpDumper]

Never said I did, brother. I need to pick and choose carefully when I reply to your silly questions. To be honest and straight forward you get confused, easily. You're confusion leads you to silly conclusions and accusations. God blessYou went to CFA because they gave millions of dollars to influence big government regulation of marriage.

It's not my fault so-called conservatives like you fuck themselves when they reveal their desire to control other people's lives through government.

Ron bless.

[jack sommerset]

You went to CFA because they gave millions of dollars to influence big government regulation of marriage.

It's not my fault so-called conservatives like you fuck themselves when they reveal their desire to control other people's lives through government.

Ron bless.

I'm not even answering your questions and you already are confused, making accusations and projecting your opinions on to others as if they made them. On top of that you are blaming yourself for something you dreamed up. It's a vicious cycle you are on. I pray for you. God bless

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not even answering your questions and you already are confused, making accusations and projecting your opinions on to others as if they made them. On top of that you are blaming yourself for something you dreamed up. It's a vicious cycle you are on. I pray for you. God blessYou're obviously being evasive because you realize just how much you want big government to meddle in other people's lives and don't want to admit it. You are living a lie and consumed with fear of seeing the person you actually are.

Ron have mercy on your soul.

[Bill_Brasky]

:lmao dumb bitch crookshanks
:lmao dumb idiot bible thumpers using leviticus to justify their hatred
:lmao leviticus also laying out how slaves and concubines should be treated

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao dumb bitch crookshanks
:lmao dumb idiot bible thumpers using leviticus to justify their hatred
:lmao leviticus also laying out how slaves and concubines should be treated
:lmao "No gays allowed" being listed among other rules such as "don't eat shellfish" and "don't wear mixed fabrics" in the Bible

[Bill_Brasky]

:lmao don't eat pork or shellfish because they had terrible refrigeration 2000 years ago

[Drachen]

:lmao don't eat pork or shellfish because they had terrible refrigeration 2000 years ago

:lmao and no gays because they needed enough soldiers to oust those already living in canaan from their homes.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

People like Crookshanks are why we still have debates about Creationism. Her being against gay rights isn't really surprising.

[cantthinkofanything]

:lmao don't eat pork or shellfish because they had terrible refrigeration 2000 years ago

that's not why you don't eat pork and shellfish

[DisAsTerBot]

wow, crookshanks is one evil person





...in the name of god of course

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Crookshanks is crazier thank Angel_luv :lol

[LnGrrrR]

Some people went to show their support for biblical values and traditional marriage; others went to show their support for freedom of speech - either way, it was a HUGE show of support and, judging by many of the comments in this thread and comments on other articles, it's pissing off the liberals in a big way -so I'd say it was a big success! And I hope big crowds show up on Friday also so that there's no room for the gays to stage their "kiss-in."

Hm... you would think some people would just be going to, ya know, eat chicken.

[Blake]

God blesses successful pornographers.

Just a matter of time before God punishes Hef for the years and years and years and years of sinful living in the playboy mansion.

[Spurminator]

Just a matter of time before God punishes Hef for the years and years and years and years of sinful living in the playboy mansion.

:lmao

[Trainwreck2100]

well its safe to say we've found an industry where speaking out against gay marriage will not hurt your bottom line. I see this as a victory for customer service, of all the fast food I've been to Chick Fil A has been the best I've had just service wise. And the regular people who don't give a shit about the homos one was or the other have decided.I just hate that I'm on the conservative side of this one.

[DisAsTerBot]

And the regular people who don't give a shit about the homos one was or the other have decided.

that's the thing though, those people "who don't give a shit about the homos one way or the other" are giving their money to something that ultimately fights for unequal rights for all people. They should most definitely care.

[cantthinkofanything]

that's the thing though, those people "who don't give a shit about the homos one way or the other" are giving their money to something that ultimately fights for unequal rights for all people. They should most definitely care.

already said this in the club...but if someone is going to take a stand, they need to quit buying gas, electronics, going to WalMart, etc.

I guarantee that most of the motherfuckers boycotting CFA have clothes or electronics manufactured by slave labor.

[Trainwreck2100]

that's the thing though, those people "who don't give a shit about the homos one way or the other" are giving their money to something that ultimately fights for unequal rights for all people. They should most definitely care.

Do you really understand what "don't give a shit" means? It means you don't give a shit.

[Clipper Nation]

Do you really understand what "don't give a shit" means? It means you don't give a shit.
Whether you give a shit or not, your money's going to hate groups if you eat at Chik-Fil-A.... if you're fine with that, so be it, but don't expect everyone to feel the same way....

[Homeland Security]

One nice thing about all of this is that now the christians will take it for granted that teh gheys want to shut down all the churches so we can do whatever we want to them and they won't say a word. They'll breathe a sigh of relief. That plus the relative affluence of teh gheys will serve us well when we take control. Teh gheys and other white liberals tend to congregate in urban enclaves. They are usually unarmed. It will be pretty easy to block them off in the cities, round them up for extermination (or just kill them in situ), and seize their assets. Then we just distribute the proceeds to minorities as "welfare." Mexicans and blacks never really cared for teh gheys or the white liberals anyway, so killing them is no skin off their backs, and by giving them free shit we buy their support. With academia, the media, the civil buraeucracy, and the legal profession denuded of leftists, we just backfill with our people.

[cantthinkofanything]

One nice thing about all of this is that now the christians will take it for granted that teh gheys want to shut down all the churches so we can do whatever we want to them and they won't say a word. They'll breathe a sigh of relief. That plus the relative affluence of teh gheys will serve us well when we take control. Teh gheys and other white liberals tend to congregate in urban enclaves. They are usually unarmed. It will be pretty easy to block them off in the cities, round them up for extermination (or just kill them in situ), and seize their assets. Then we just distribute the proceeds to minorities as "welfare." Mexicans and blacks never really cared for teh gheys or the white liberals anyway, so killing them is no skin off their backs, and by giving them free shit we buy their support. With academia, the media, the civil buraeucracy, and the legal profession denuded of leftists, we just backfill with our people.

you're retarded...what a mess

[Trainwreck2100]

Whether you give a shit or not, your money's going to hate groups if you eat at Chik-Fil-A.... if you're fine with that, so be it, but don't expect everyone to feel the same way....

:( It is you mean it's not going to the person who rang me up, or their manager who went out of his way to ensure that i had a good meal, or the store owner who had to put up his own money to open that store, cause it's a franchise? So hey let me try and put all those nice people in the poor house because a guy they paid to use their name responded to an unsolicited bitch fit with what he thought.

[LnGrrrR]

I'm ok with buying chicken at a place that doesn't support gay marriage, mainly because they at least seem honest with their beliefs. (Being closed on Sundays, for instance.)

The fact that I eat chicken in the first place, considering the inhumane methods usually used in chicken farms, is a bigger moral transgression for me anyways. :lol

[cantthinkofanything]

I'm ok with buying chicken at a place that doesn't support gay marriage, mainly because they at least seem honest with their beliefs. (Being closed on Sundays, for instance.)

The fact that I eat chicken in the first place, considering the inhumane methods usually used in chicken farms, is a bigger moral transgression for me anyways. :lol

you can rest easy. All the chicken used at CFA died of natural causes.

[LnGrrrR]

you can rest easy. All the chicken used at CFA died of natural causes.

True, but the conditions they live in (ie, caged, stacked with a thousand other chickens in a small room, etc etc) has some play with me too. (In theory... I still eat chicken and meat raised that way knowing that on some level it's morally wrong.)

[cantthinkofanything]

True, but the conditions they live in (ie, caged, stacked with a thousand other chickens in a small room, etc etc) has some play with me too. (In theory... I still eat chicken and meat raised that way knowing that on some level it's morally wrong.)

I hear ya. I'm not a huge meat eater (no homo) but every time I watch one of those shows like Food Inc., I quit completely for a few days until I get hungry. At some level, I guess I wish I had the determination to be a vegetarian. At least for the vegetables that were humanely raised.

[Homeland Security]

you're retarded...what a messNo actually it works really well plus with all the social media and online databases you can figure out who the liberals are, map them, learn where they congregate, what they buy, relatively how wealthy they are. Each patriot can track up to a 1000 people, so it doesn't take too many cells to keep track of you all.

You have to be patient and wait for TSTHTF, tho. :lol

[cantthinkofanything]

No actually it works really well plus with all the social media and online databases you can figure out who the liberals are, map them, learn where they congregate, what they buy, relatively how wealthy they are. Each patriot can track up to a 1000 people, so it doesn't take too many cells to keep track of you all.

You have to be patient and wait for TSTHTF, tho. :lol

wachoo talkin bout Willis?

[Homeland Security]

Hee hee hee toodleloo

[cantthinkofanything]

Hee hee hee toodleloo

troll rape

[SnakeBoy]

The fact that I eat chicken in the first place, considering the inhumane methods usually used in chicken farms, is a bigger moral transgression for me anyways. :lol

Rest easy, they only kill happy chickens.


Where Our Chicken Comes From

All of our chicken comes from facilities inspected by the USDA and routinely monitored by third party auditors to ensure food safety. We work diligently to keep the quality of our ingredients up to the level demanded by our customers, so we continually visit our chicken suppliers' facilities, making sure they meet our high expectations.

We are proud to have many long-standing relationships with our chicken suppliers, who highly value their association with the family farms where the chickens grow. Often these farms are diversified - they raise a variety of crops and livestock. Our suppliers follow strict animal welfare and nutrient management practices.

The National Chicken Council publishes a set of guidelines for the proper and humane raising and processing of chickens. All of our suppliers abide by these guidelines, and in fact, some of our suppliers were instrumental in helping to develop these standards for the whole industry.

[clambake]

nice pr. lets see some pictures.

[SnakeBoy]

At some level, I guess I wish I had the determination to be a vegetarian.

I don't have any moral objections to eating meat but I follow essentially a vegan diet 90%+ of the time. It was suprisingly easy to switch the 2nd time I tried. The first time I tried to eat lots of salads & other vegetables and that was tough because I always felt hungry. The second time was easy to feel satisfied because I eat lots of meat/dairy free pasta dishes, rice dishes, rice & bean enchiladas, etc. I can't tell you how much better I feel healthwise eating an "almost" animal protein free diet. It's "almost" because occasonally I do crave a good steak. Great way to lose weight without ever feeling hungry.

Edit: If you ever do make the switch I would suggest you invest in a few bottles of this until you adjust to the new diet...

http://www.gosale.com/product_images/3979000/3979895-beano-food-enzyme-dietary.jpg

Or you might get kicked out of the house :lol

[clambake]

risotto, yum. best if you do it yourself!

[mingus]

my position on gay marriage has changed. i believe they have a right to marry, after some evaluation of my prior beliefs. i have had a handful of gay dudes stalk me, and i had a somewhat distorted perception of gays for a long time because of that, but i have become pretty good friends with a gay dude in the last year and have had some fun times with gays in the last year as a result. i see them differently now.

[clambake]

my position on gay marriage has changed. i believe they have a right to marry, after some evaluation of my prior beliefs. i have had a handful of gay dudes stalk me, and i had a somewhat distorted perception of gays for a long time because of that, but i have become pretty good friends with a gay dude in the last year and have had some fun times with gays in the last year as a result. i see them differently now.

if true, prepare yourself for some really retarded shit from skanks.

[LnGrrrR]

my position on gay marriage has changed. i believe they have a right to marry, after some evaluation of my prior beliefs. i have had a handful of gay dudes stalk me, and i had a somewhat distorted perception of gays for a long time because of that, but i have become pretty good friends with a gay dude in the last year and have had some fun times with gays in the last year as a result. i see them differently now.

Wait, wait, you means gays are regular people too?

LIES! SLANDER! SACRILEGE!

[Blake]

...... but i have become pretty good friends with a gay dude in the last year and have had some fun times with gays in the last year as a result. i see them differently now.

I bet you do.

[Nbadan]

i see them differently now.

From below or top? :lol

[Nbadan]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/ahereticiam/xtianslinedup.jpg

[ploto]

I too support the traditional interpretation of marriage.

Hope my brother dies soon while his wife is still hot.


:rollin

[MannyIsGod]

my position on gay marriage has changed. i believe they have a right to marry, after some evaluation of my prior beliefs. i have had a handful of gay dudes stalk me, and i had a somewhat distorted perception of gays for a long time because of that, but i have become pretty good friends with a gay dude in the last year and have had some fun times with gays in the last year as a result. i see them differently now.

If this is true, then I commend you for being open to growing as a person.

[mingus]

If this is true, then I commend you for being open to growing as a person.

It is true.

I had bad experiences with gays all my life. When I was younger, a gay tried to molest me. Luckily it was not a success. I had around three of them stalk me on seperate occasions. I was never comfortable around them.

[Wild Cobra]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/ahereticiam/xtianslinedup.jpg
Why should they?

They have a church people can go to for help.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

:lol:lol:lol:lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/ahereticiam/xtianslinedup.jpg

[jack sommerset]

Why should they?

They have a church people can go to for help.

We feed hundreds of families everyday at our church. No telling how many meals get passed out throughout the USA let alone the world because of churches. I would wager the owner of chick filet gives MILLIONS every year to help feed, cloth and shelter the poor. He sounds like a pretty good guy and he gives his employees Sunday off. That just doesn't happen in the restaurant industry. Men getting married to each other, how ridiculous is that. It's more funny than then anything, IMO. God will be the judge in the end and we will all just have to wait on some of the rulings. I can tell you I am no hurry to get there. God bless

[Homeland Security]

It is true.

I had bad experiences with gays all my life. When I was younger, a gay tried to molest me. Luckily it was not a success. I had around three of them stalk me on seperate occasions. I was never comfortable around them.
Pedophilia/pederasty is very common. Most humans have a strong innate reflex to protect children, which is good for the preservation of the species, but there are exceptions. For the most part, the people who have that impulse need to be crushed (though they then cope by weaving intricate webs to concealing their behavior). But there are instances where the use of pederasty can generate legions of very loyal risk-takers with low self-worth who obey orders. This can make for a very effective army, for example the Janissaries. But for this, pederasty has to be institutionalized.

[Drachen]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/ahereticiam/xtianslinedup.jpg

Funny you should post this, I just arrived at the San Antonio food bank to volunteer.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

It is true.

I had bad experiences with gays all my life. When I was younger, a gay tried to molest me. Luckily it was not a success. I had around three of them stalk me on seperate occasions. I was never comfortable around them.

a gay tried to molest you? you mean a pedophile? they're not the same thing, you realize that, don't you? I imagine you do now, from what you've posted.

[Frank Dux]

lol, this whole thing is actually pretty funny when put in context.

We'll show those gays by gorging ourselves and destroying our bodies with 1,000 calorie, grease-drenched sandwiches and extra-large sodas—because a conservative radio host told me to do it!

Please lemmings, keep eating CFA. lol

[jack sommerset]

lol, this whole thing is actually pretty funny when put in context.

We'll show those gays by gorging ourselves and destroying our bodies with 1,000 calorie, grease-drenched sandwiches and extra-large sodas—because a conservative radio host told me to do it!

Please lemmings, keep eating CFA. lol

It's pretty funny that is your take on this. Sounds like something my boy george would say. God bless

[romad_20]

a gay tried to molest you? you mean a pedophile? they're not the same thing, you realize that, don't you? I imagine you do now, from what you've posted.

He misspoke, a gay pedophile

[DisAsTerBot]

I'm ok with buying chicken at a place that doesn't support gay marriage, mainly because they at least seem honest with their beliefs. (Being closed on Sundays, for instance.)

The fact that I eat chicken in the first place, considering the inhumane methods usually used in chicken farms, is a bigger moral transgression for me anyways. :lol

good point. I raise my own.

[DisAsTerBot]

Funny you should post this, I just arrived at the San Antonio food bank to volunteer.

did they set any world records??!

[CosmicCowboy]

Who are these alleged "Hate Groups" and what EXACTLY did they do to hate on gays?

[vy65]

This has reached the 9th circle of idiocy . . .

Chick-fil-A 'kiss in' protest tries to challenge appreciation day

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/08/chick-fil-a-kiss-in-protest-challenge-appreciation-day.html

[vy65]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef016769067e89970b-pi

:lol

[clambake]

Who are these alleged "Hate Groups" and what EXACTLY did they do to hate on gays?

you looking for a moniker to label oppression with?

[Drachen]

did they set any world records??!


Yep! Today we got 13 people!

[CosmicCowboy]

you looking for a moniker to label oppression with?

No, It's a reasonable question that I have yet to get a reasonable answer for.

[jack sommerset]

This has reached the 9th circle of idiocy . . .

Chick-fil-A 'kiss in' protest tries to challenge appreciation day

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/08/chick-fil-a-kiss-in-protest-challenge-appreciation-day.html

Hopefully the gays purchase something when they "protest". If not I would call the police and have them removed for loitering. God bless

[clambake]

Hopefully the gays purchase something when they "protest". If not I would call the police and have them removed for loitering. God bless

that would be awesome!

[clambake]

Who are these alleged "Hate Groups" and what EXACTLY did they do to hate on gays?
its called oppression, cos. you ever heard of prop 8? you ever heard of a hate crime?

No, It's a reasonable question that I have yet to get a reasonable answer for.

you gonna tell me thats not reasonable?

[CosmicCowboy]

its called oppression, cos. you ever heard of prop 8? you ever heard of a hate crime?


you gonna tell me thats not reasonable?

What hate crime did chick-fil-a perpetrate on gays? Be specific, Boutons.

[clambake]

What hate crime did chick-fil-a perpetrate on gays? Be specific, Boutons.

they support the movement to oppress the rights of people......cuz the people are gay.


really? boutons? you gonna start the name calling this early?

[vy65]

lol supporting christian view of marriage = hate crime

[clambake]

isn't this where you chime in and say it doesn't mean shit to you......even though it does?

[vy65]

No I still couldn't care less

:lol hate crime

[clambake]

lol supporting christian view of marriage = hate crime

i didn't say that. i said they support oppression.

keep up.

[clambake]

No I still couldn't care less

:lol hate crime

i wasn't talking to you.

[vy65]

lolwut


What hate crime did chick-fil-a perpetrate on gays? Be specific, Boutons.


they support the movement to oppress the rights of people......cuz the people are gay.

:lol backpeddling
:lol hatecrime

[vy65]

i wasn't talking to you.

ah, well carry on then

[Viva Las Espuelas]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/ahereticiam/xtianslinedup.jpg

False. Your stupid ass obviously hasn't heard of Salvation Army.

[jack sommerset]

lol supporting christian view of marriage = hate crime

This is where it starts and ends. All the nonsense in between is that, nonsense. It's pretty funny that people conclude this as hate. God bless

[clambake]

lolwut





:lol backpeddling
:lol hatecrime

cowboy said hate crime, because he doesn't know how to characterize it.

[vy65]

cowboy said hate crime, because he doesn't know how to characterize it.

This very well could be true . . .

[CosmicCowboy]

cowboy said hate crime, because he doesn't know how to characterize it.

You called it a hate crime.

I asked what hate crime?

You still haven't answered.

Having the religious belief that marriage is between a man and a woman is hardly a hate crime.

LOL clambake/thinkprogress

[jack sommerset]

You called it a hate crime.

I asked what hate crime?

You still haven't answered.

Having the religious belief that marriage is between a man and a woman is hardly a hate crime.

LOL clambake/thinkprogress

I don't know why our silly clown would bring up hate crime if that was not what he was implying. But you do get deniability when one throws a question mark at the end of a comment. God bless

[clambake]

You called it a hate crime.
i called it oppression. you want to label it as a hate crime because you don't know how to characterize it.


I asked what hate crime?
i said "oppression". you can't seem to identify the difference.


You still haven't answered.
i have.


Having the religious belief that marriage is between a man and a woman is hardly a hate crime.
you're right. its called "oppression"


LOL clambake/thinkprogress

triggering your adolescence is easy.

[Blake]

Yep! Today we got 13 people!

If the food bank were to come out against homeless gays, still not sure that number would increase much.

[CosmicCowboy]

its called oppression, cos. you ever heard of prop 8? you ever heard of a hate crime?

You called it a hate crime.

[CosmicCowboy]

Does being a Spurs fan make me "oppressive" to Maverick fans?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef016769067e89970b-pi

:lol

I'm glad the OWS idiots showed up.

[clambake]

You called it a hate crime.

sorry i was trying to distinguish between the two. i didn't make it clear enough.

prop 8 and the difference with a hate crime.

[clambake]

Does being a Spurs fan make me "oppressive" to Maverick fans?

only you can say. i'm also a spur fan.

[TeyshaBlue]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/ahereticiam/xtianslinedup.jpg

You're a fucking idiot.

Churches aren't in the habit of making photo ops out of their missions.


When the Katrina disaster hit, I, the neighborhood atheist, helped a local church find food and housing for 200 evacuees. There were about 300 people from that church working on this. They didn't take pics, asshole.

Intolerance....it's not just for christians anymore.

[CosmicCowboy]

only you can say. i'm also a spur fan.

Fine. then show me where chick-fil-a has been oppressive to gays. Be specific.

[leemajors]

Fine. then show me where chick-fil-a has been oppressive to gays. Be specific.

they make donations to Exodus International.

[MannyIsGod]

You're a fucking idiot.

Churches aren't in the habit of making photo ops out of their missions.


When the Katrina disaster hit, I, the neighborhood atheist, helped a local church find food and housing for 200 evacuees. There were about 300 people from that church working on this. They didn't take pics, asshole.

Intolerance....it's not just for christians anymore.

When Katrina hit everyone came out. I spent a shitload of time volunteering myself . There were no lines like that for volunteers. I think its a legit criticism of those who claim to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. And yes, they do take pictures. Com'on now.

[CosmicCowboy]

they make donations to Exodus International.

$1000? big deal....


Does Exodus International grab gays off the street and drag them to their counseling sessions? Last I read the people come to them voluntarily...do you know differently?

[LnGrrrR]

When the Katrina disaster hit, I, the neighborhood atheist, helped a local church find food and housing for 200 evacuees. There were about 300 people from that church working on this. They didn't take pics, asshole..

Thanks for that man! As someone who was living in Biloxi at the time, I know people needed all the help they could get. :toast

[TeyshaBlue]

There most certainly were, Manny. That you didn't see them does not mean they didn't exist. Com'on now.

And it's not legit criticism of those who claim to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ since it's demonstrably wrong.

[lakerhaterade]

CC doing work

[TeyshaBlue]

Thanks for that man! As someone who was living in Biloxi at the time, I know people needed all the help they could get. :toast

2 families still live in my neighborhood. Pretty cool peeps.

[Frank Dux]

It's pretty funny that is your take on this. Sounds like something my boy george would say. God bless

Of course it's funny Jack. It's the Pied Piper of 2012—Mike Huckabee is blowing the horn and the fatties are dancing with waffles fries stuck to their shirts. lol

[CosmicCowboy]

When Katrina hit everyone came out. I spent a shitload of time volunteering myself . There were no lines like that for volunteers. I think its a legit criticism of those who claim to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. And yes, they do take pictures. Com'on now.

I donated a shitload of tools and a truck stereo and amplifier to the Katrina victims while I was eating at the Olive Garden at the old Windsor Park Mall.

[Clipper Nation]

Fine. then show me where chick-fil-a has been oppressive to gays. Be specific.

They have donated to the Family Research Council, who spent $25,000 in 2010 lobbying in support of Uganda's "Kill the Gays" bill....

[MannyIsGod]

There most certainly were, Manny. That you didn't see them does not mean they didn't exist. Com'on now.

And it's not legit criticism of those who claim to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ since it's demonstrably wrong.

Don't agree.

[leemajors]

$1000? big deal....


Does Exodus International grab gays off the street and drag them to their counseling sessions? Last I read the people come to them voluntarily...do you know differently?

I somehow doubt everyone goes entirely voluntarily. Coming out to your friends and family isn't usually hunky dory. Personally, I consider organizations that insist homosexuality can be "cured" as if it were a disease oppressive.

[clambake]

Fine. then show me where chick-fil-a has been oppressive to gays. Be specific.

they have donated to foundations that actively oppose gay rights.

does focus on the family actively oppose gay rights?

[CosmicCowboy]

They have donated to the Family Research Council, who spent $25,000 in 2010 lobbying in support of Uganda's "Kill the Gays" bill....

LOL, thinkprogress regurgitation

Wrong...google is your friend.

[MannyIsGod]

I donated a shitload of tools and a truck stereo and amplifier to the Katrina victims while I was eating at the Olive Garden at the old Windsor Park Mall.

A lot of people did things during the immediate aftermath of Katrina. It dropped off really quickly though.

[CosmicCowboy]

I am not anti-gay, but seriously...isn't this a lot of bullshit over nothing?

[CosmicCowboy]

A lot of people did things during the immediate aftermath of Katrina. It dropped off really quickly though.

The cop that took the police report told me I had just donated to the Katrina relief fund.

[clambake]

I am not anti-gay, but seriously...isn't this a lot of bullshit over nothing?

the only thing bible thumpers can't deny is that oppression is an ugly word.

is oppression something you find to be nothing?

[clambake]

The cop that took the police report told me I had just donated to the Katrina relief fund.

:lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Don't agree.

I'm surprised, tbh. I demonstrably disproved it.

[CosmicCowboy]

the only thing bible thumpers can't deny is that oppression is an ugly word.

is oppression something you find to be nothing?

:lmao

Again...

Just because I am a spurs fan that does not mean I am oppressive to Mavericks fans.

Just because the guy believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman that doesn't automatically make him oppressive to gays.

Now...show me where he fired someone for being gay and I might agree with you that THAT was oppression.

[vy65]

Remember when oppression used to mean physical violence or civil rights violations

:lol pray the gay away

[CosmicCowboy]

Are gay organizations that lobby for their agenda oppressive to straights?

[clambake]

:lmao

Again...

Just because I am a spurs fan that does not mean I am oppressive to Mavericks fans.

Just because the guy believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman that doesn't automatically make him oppressive to gays.

Now...show me where he fired someone for being gay and I might agree with you that THAT was oppression.

are you saying the only way to educate you about oppression is to show you where he fired someone for being gay?

really?

[clambake]

Are gay organizations that lobby for their agenda oppressive to straights?

what oppression do straights suffer?

[CosmicCowboy]

are you saying the only way to educate you about oppression is to show you where he fired someone for being gay?

really?

Yeah, I'm saying SHOW ME THE OPPRESSION.

[vy65]

Are gay organizations that lobby for their agenda oppressive to straights?

Do gay organizations lobby to end heterosexual marriage?

[CosmicCowboy]

what oppression do straights suffer?

bitchy wives?

[CosmicCowboy]

Do gay organizations lobby to end heterosexual marriage?

Do gay organizations lobby for discriminated minority status?

[clambake]

oppression comes from groups that actively support and lobby against peoples rights.

does focus on the family oppose peoples rights?

[vy65]

Do gay organizations lobby for discriminated minority status?

I don't know what "discriminated minority status" means? Do they argue for suspect classification under the equal protection clause? Probably, but they're not treated as a suspect class right now.

More to the point, even if they do, how's that oppress the breeders?

[clambake]

Do gay organizations lobby for discriminated minority status?

i don't know. do they? should they?

[ElNono]

Do gay organizations lobby for discriminated minority status?

Uh? You either are a discriminated minority or you're not.

In this case, when it comes to rights granted under 'marriage', they're discriminated.

[TE]

bitchy wives?

:lol

[vy65]

oppression comes from groups that actively support and lobby against peoples rights.

does focus on the family oppose peoples rights?

No, that's discourse and debate. Oppression is when the government is physically violent to you or takes away your fundamental rights. This interpretation is so broad that it takes away any meaning to the word oppression.

A) Government denying same sex marriage = oppression.

B) Chick Fil A giving money to a pro-christian organization =|= oppression.

Conflating A with B is ridiculous.

[DarrinS]

Lol @ this liberal douchebag who thought he'd make a cute little YouTube video. He lost his CFO job over this.

b0OE3OwGMwk

[leemajors]

No, that's discourse and debate. Oppression is when the government is physically violent to you or takes away your fundamental rights. This interpretation is so broad that it takes away any meaning to the word oppression.

A) Government denying same sex marriage = oppression.

B) Chick Fil A giving money to a pro-christian organization =|= oppression.

Conflating A with B is ridiculous.

That's not what oppression means (the violence part at least). Contributing money to an organization that actively campaigns to keep people away from something is hardly different imo.

[clambake]

No, that's discourse and debate. Oppression is when the government is physically violent to you or takes away your fundamental rights. This interpretation is so broad that it takes away any meaning to the word oppression.

A) Government denying same sex marriage = oppression.

B) Chick Fil A giving money to a pro-christian organization =|= oppression.

Conflating A with B is ridiculous.

i never said they physically took away anyones rights.




i'm from n. ireland. i know the difference.

[Clipper Nation]

Oppression is using power to restrict a certain group's life, liberty, and/or property simply because they're the minority.... power doesn't just come from government and laws - large corporations like Chik-fil-A voting with their wallets by donating to anti-gay hate groups also has a big effect.....

[Blake]

Remember when oppression used to mean physical violence or civil rights violations

:lol pray the gay away

Remember when the Christian God said that gays should be put to death?

Good times...

[CosmicCowboy]

A hypothetical.

Same sex marriage is legal.

A business owner that believes marriage should just be between a man and a woman also provides insurance for his employees and families.

A gay employee wants his employer to pay the insurance premium for his gay spouse.

Is the employer being oppressed? He is being forced to provide HIS money for something he doesn't believe in.

[scott]

A hypothetical.

Same sex marriage is legal.

A business owner that believes marriage should just be between a man and a woman also provides insurance for his employees and families.

A gay employee wants his employer to pay the insurance premium for his gay spouse.

Is the employer being oppressed? He is being forced to provide HIS money for something he doesn't believe in.

Replace gays in this instance with blacks.

Is the employer being oppressed?

[vy65]

:lol blake
:lol not the same thing
:lol angry at christians
:lol chicken nuggets = oppression
cuc:lolld

[CosmicCowboy]

Replace gays in this instance with blacks.

Is the employer being oppressed?

No. IMHO not really the same thing at all.

[ElNono]

A hypothetical.

Same sex marriage is legal.

A business owner that believes marriage should just be between a man and a woman also provides insurance for his employees and families.

A gay employee wants his employer to pay the insurance premium for his gay spouse.

Is the employer being oppressed? He is being forced to provide HIS money for something he doesn't believe in.

I'm not a lawyer, but if the employer clearly stipulates in the employment contract that he won't be providing insurance to same-sex couples, I don't think there's anything stopping him. If he didn't stipulate that, then he's not being oppressed, he's just not keeping his end of the bargain.

[Blake]

Remember when vy65 suddenly turned his full attention towards me

[scott]

No. IMHO not really the same thing at all.

I respect your opinion, but I would suggest that is the crux of the debate.

Are homosexuals a protected class or not?

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm not a lawyer, but if the employer clearly stipulates in the employment contract that he won't be providing insurance to same-sex couples, I don't think there's anything stopping him. If he didn't stipulate that, then he's not being oppressed, he's just not keeping his end of the bargain.

It seems to me that if he explicitly puts it in his handbook then he is documenting a discrimination lawsuit.

The deeper question I'm trying to get to is whose beliefs are really being discriminated against? The gay couple or the business owner?

[ChumpDumper]

Lol @ this liberal douchebag who thought he'd make a cute little YouTube video. He lost his CFO job over this.

b0OE3OwGMwkHe's a douche, but folks are applauding his being fired for expressing his political beliefs.

That's funny.

[Blake]

A hypothetical.

Same sex marriage is legal.

A business owner that believes marriage should just be between a man and a woman also provides insurance for his employees and families.

A gay employee wants his employer to pay the insurance premium for his gay spouse.

Is the employer being oppressed? He is being forced to provide HIS money for something he doesn't believe in.

are employers currently required to offer insurance for employee spouse and children?

[scott]

I'm not a lawyer, but if the employer clearly stipulates in the employment contract that he won't be providing insurance to same-sex couples, I don't think there's anything stopping him. If he didn't stipulate that, then he's not being oppressed, he's just not keeping his end of the bargain.

Based on my very limited understanding of labor law... if you provide a benefit to a certain class of employees (say, full-time employees), then you must offer all members of that class of employees the same benefits. I suppose an employer could have a corporate policy that they only provide insurance for opposite-sex spouses, and technically they aren't discriminating against a gay person, since that gay person would still have access to coverage if they obtained an opposite-sex spouse.

[scott]

It seems to me that if he explicitly puts it in his handbook then he is documenting a discrimination lawsuit.

The deeper question I'm trying to get to is whose beliefs are really being discriminated against? The gay couple or the business owner?

It's only discrimination if they are a protected class. In which case, the analogy of replacing "gay" with "black" applies. Is a business owner being discriminated against if he believes black people don't deserve insurance?

[vy65]

sexual orientation is not a suspect classification.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

A hypothetical.

Same sex marriage is legal.

A business owner that believes marriage should just be between a man and a woman also provides insurance for his employees and families.

A gay employee wants his employer to pay the insurance premium for his gay spouse.

Is the employer being oppressed? He is being forced to provide HIS money for something he doesn't believe in.
A potential situation.

Inter-racial marriage is legal.

I business owner that believes black people and white people shouldn't marry provides insurance for his employees and families.

A white husband wants his employer to pay the insurance premium for his black wife.

Is the employer being oppressed?

[scott]

Perhaps an analogy you might find more palatable. What about an employer that doesn't believe in interracial marriage. Is he being discriminated against if he has to offer family coverage to interracial spouses?

Edit: DUNCAN beat me to it above.

[CosmicCowboy]

are employers currently required to offer insurance for employee spouse and children?

That's the real irony.

The employer is not required to provide insurance at all. If he cancels it for everyone then it's no harm / no foul.

If he gives it to his opposite sex couples but doesn't provide it to same sex couples he is discriminating against the same sex couples freedom of choice...but by forcing him to pay for their insurance they are discriminating against the business owners freedom of choice.

Crazy stuff.

[ElNono]

It seems to me that if he explicitly puts it in his handbook then he is documenting a discrimination lawsuit.

Why is that? AFAIK, you can put whatever terms you want in a private contract. People relinquish their rights all the time over contracts. The same-sex people are free not to sign that contract and look for employment elsewhere.


The deeper question I'm trying to get to is whose beliefs are really being discriminated against? The gay couple or the business owner?

The deeper question would be where did you get the impression that being gay is a "belief".

[scott]

sexual orientation is not a suspect classification.

It is in some states. In a few others it is a quasi-suspect class.

[vy65]

It is in some states. In a few others it is a quasi-suspect class.

I meant as a matter of federal law.

[CosmicCowboy]

A potential situation.

Inter-racial marriage is legal.

I business owner that believes black people and white people shouldn't marry provides insurance for his employees and families.

A white husband wants his employer to pay the insurance premium for his black wife.

Is the employer being oppressed?

IMHO although the business owner is wrong in my opinion I don't think it should be illegal since he was legally not required to provide insurance to anyone in the first place.

[ElNono]

Based on my very limited understanding of labor law... if you provide a benefit to a certain class of employees (say, full-time employees), then you must offer all members of that class of employees the same benefits. I suppose an employer could have a corporate policy that they only provide insurance for opposite-sex spouses, and technically they aren't discriminating against a gay person, since that gay person would still have access to coverage if they obtained an opposite-sex spouse.

That's what I thought. As long as the employment contract applies equally to all employees, I don't think you could argue it's discriminatory.

[CosmicCowboy]

Why is that? AFAIK, you can put whatever terms you want in a private contract. People relinquish their rights all the time over contracts. The same-sex people are free not to sign that contract and look for employment elsewhere.



The deeper question would be where did you get the impression that being gay is a "belief".

Don't try to twist my words where they didn't go. The topic was the belief for/against gay marriage.

[ElNono]

sexual orientation is not a suspect classification.

California and the DC of Nebraska have ruled it could be. So it's not out of the question yet.

[Blake]

That's the real irony.

The employer is not required to provide insurance at all. If he cancels it for everyone then it's no harm / no foul.

If he gives it to his opposite sex couples but doesn't provide it to same sex couples he is discriminating against the same sex couples freedom of choice...but by forcing him to pay for their insurance they are discriminating against the business owners freedom of choice.

Crazy stuff.

Seems to me that if you provide insurance for a heterosexual spouse but deny it to a homosexual spouse, you are setting yourself up for a discrimination lawsuit.

[scott]

I meant as a matter of federal law.

I think we'll get Supreme Court resolution on the matter in the next 24 months or so.

[DisAsTerBot]

IMHO although the business owner is wrong in my opinion I don't think it should be illegal since he was legally not required to provide insurance to anyone in the first place.

but if he does, he has to provide to all. Otherwise it's discrimination. Pretty easy really

[LnGrrrR]

Do gay organizations lobby for discriminated minority status?

That's one heck of a dodge CC :lol

[ElNono]

Don't try to twist my words where they didn't go. The topic was the belief for/against gay marriage.

But you're not addressing what's this is about. This isn't about "belief". This is about government granting certain rights to "married" couples, and a minority not being able to receive those rights based solely on their sexual orientation.

You're also missing that private and government companies have different rules when it comes to contract law, which is why your example is poor at best or inapplicable in general.

[CosmicCowboy]

But you're not addressing what's this is about. This isn't about "belief". This is about government granting certain rights to "married" couples, and a minority not being able to receive those rights based solely on their sexual orientation.

You're also missing that private and government companies have different rules when it comes to contract law, which is why your example is poor at best or inapplicable in general.

I'm not missing anything. I'm simply trying to point out that the issue is not as black and white as convention politically correct thought would have you believe. Someones beliefs and rights always get violated.

[DarrinS]

He's a douche, but folks are applauding his being fired for expressing his political beliefs.

That's funny.

Moral of story -- don't be a douche. I like how he took it out on the minimum wage drive-thru employee. And how he really stuck it to "the man" by ordering a free water. What a retard.

[clambake]

haven't seen any gay business owners running their mouth off about "having to pay insurance for heterosexuals".

has anyone else seen that?

[CosmicCowboy]

haven't seen any gay business owners running their mouth off about "having to pay insurance for heterosexuals".

has anyone else seen that?

They don't pay maternity for breeders.

[DarrinS]

Libs get their turn.

No surprise here.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef016769067e89970b-640wi

[ElNono]

I'm not missing anything. I'm simply trying to point out that the issue is not as black and white as convention politically correct thought would have you believe. Someones beliefs and rights always get violated.

Well of course, after all there was a time where some people believed blacks and whites shouldn't mix. Or believed women shouldn't vote.

But beliefs isn't the crux of the matter, despite the fact I understand that "change is hard".

There's specific discrimination going on right now based solely on sexual orientation. The crux of the matter is: should this type of discrimination end?

Then there's the avenues that the Constitution provides for that, like what vy pointed out, determining whether sexual orientation should be a protected class.

[clambake]

They don't pay maternity for breeders.

joking?

[vy65]

I thought the issue had to do with a business owner voicing his religious beliefs? People might not agree with those beliefs, but is it really oppressive for the business owner to say what he believes?

The whole insurance issue is irrelevant in any event because CFA doesn't discriminate in who it insures (at least to my knowledge). The issue only has to do with a privately held company voicing its opinion on political issue. I don't understand why there's this much debate over it.

[ElNono]

I thought the issue had to do with a business owner voicing his religious beliefs? People might not agree with those beliefs, but is it really oppressive for the business owner to say what he believes?

I'm sorry, I was speaking about the same-sex marriage issue in general. I already stated this whole CFA thing is pretty stupid on it's face, and the business owner should be allowed to do whatever he wants to do.

[clambake]

I don't understand why there's this much debate over it.

what if you were gay?

[CosmicCowboy]

http://www.dailygossip.org/media/posts/633-300x410.jpg

Sexual preferences and differences should DEFINITELY be a protected class!

[vy65]

Why is this a much bigger issue than the boy scouts of america directly excluding gay people from its organization? The "oppression" in the BSA is way more marked - direct exclusion from the organization. CFA at least employs the gays.

[boutons_deux]

I thought the issue had to do with a business owner voicing his religious beliefs? People might not agree with those beliefs, but is it really oppressive for the business owner to say what he believes?

The whole insurance issue is irrelevant in any event because CFA doesn't discriminate in who it insures (at least to my knowledge). The issue only has to do with a privately held company voicing its opinion on political issue. I don't understand why there's this much debate over it.

it could oppress his profits, that's why Corporate-Americans want their C-U secret donations, aka "1st Amendment speech", to remain secret speech, so Human-Americans can't backlash/boycott them.

This gay-hater's experience only encourages Corporate-Americans to make sure their political "speech" remains secret.

[ElNono]

http://www.dailygossip.org/media/posts/633-300x410.jpg

Sexual preferences and differences should DEFINITELY be a protected class!

Who's that?

[CosmicCowboy]

it could oppress his profits, that's why Corporate-Americans want their C-U secret donations, aka "1st Amendment speech", to remain secret speech, so Human-Americans can't backlash/boycott them.

This gay-hater's experience only encourages Corporate-Americans to make sure their political "speech" remains secret.

He listed his donations on his tax return, dumbass.

[vy65]

what if you were gay?

If I were gay, I wouldn't care about what Mr. Cathy says, and would enjoy his tasty nuggets :hat

[CosmicCowboy]

Who's that?

Warren Jeffs

[Spurminator]

Lol @ this liberal douchebag who thought he'd make a cute little YouTube video. He lost his CFO job over this.

b0OE3OwGMwk

"Liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal"

Why is it that you are so easy to exploit? Doesn't that make you feel silly?

[clambake]

If I were gay, I wouldn't care about what Mr. Cathy says, and would enjoy his tasty nuggets :hat

i'm positive that you would care.

[ElNono]

Warren Jeffs


Who's that?


Never mind, i'll look it up :lol

[ElNono]

Oh, I see... the usual homosexuals and child abusers strawman... carry on!

[vy65]

i'm positive that you would care.

Ummm, not sure why you think you'd know that, but ok

[boutons_deux]

He listed his donations on his tax return, dumbass.

and Human-Americans have the right to see anybody's IRS forms? Seems not to be true in Gecko's case.

[DarrinS]

"Liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal"

Why is it that you are so easy to exploit? Doesn't that make you feel silly?

feel better?

[CosmicCowboy]

Oh, I see... the usual homosexuals and child abusers strawman... carry on!

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Warren-Jeffs-wives.jpg

Who you calling a child abuser????? They WANTED to marry him!

[clambake]

which one is crookskanks?

[ElNono]

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Warren-Jeffs-wives.jpg

Who you calling a child abuser????? They WANTED to marry him!

Sorry, not familiar with the monster. Just did a quick google search and this is what it said:

Warren Steed Jeffs is the president of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. In 2011, Jeffs was convicted of two felony counts of child sexual assault.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

which one is crookskanks?
:lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

which one is crookskanks?

:lol

I swear I have an inbred East Texas cousin that could easily be photoshoped into that picture and no one would ever notice any difference.

[clambake]

:lol

I swear I have an inbred East Texas cousin that could easily be photoshoped into that picture and no one would ever notice any difference.

:lol

[SnakeBoy]

Perhaps an analogy you might find more palatable. What about an employer that doesn't believe in interracial marriage. Is he being discriminated against if he has to offer family coverage to interracial spouses?


Still not a good analogy because you are still talking about discrimination based on someone's genetics and not a behaviour/choice as with gays. Maybe a better analogy is an employer denying coverage to a spouse who is catholic, muslim, whatever.

[MannyIsGod]

Why is this a much bigger issue than the boy scouts of america directly excluding gay people from its organization? The "oppression" in the BSA is way more marked - direct exclusion from the organization. CFA at least employs the gays.

I don't know that it is. This issue is just the one getting media attention everywhere. Recently, Major League Soccer ending their relationship with the Boy Scouts due to their views. Thats a pretty damn big decision to make and I didn't see any attention given to it outside the soccer community. Then again Chic Fil A might be a bigger company. I really have no idea. I guess my point is the Boy Scounts aren't being ignored.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

http://www.dailygossip.org/media/posts/633-300x410.jpg

Sexual preferences and differences should DEFINITELY be a protected class!
looks like an older version of Ben Quayle tbh

[PublicOption]

dudes get poked in the ass when they were growing up, then grow up to be queers.....and expect the rest of us to endure their queerness like we owe it to them. fuck 'em.

being queer is not normal and you fags will never convince me otherwise. your asshole is for defecating, not fucking. sorry!


Obama 2012.

[scott]

Still not a good analogy because you are still talking about discrimination based on someone's genetics and not a behaviour/choice as with gays. Maybe a better analogy is an employer denying coverage to a spouse who is catholic, muslim, whatever.

1) It is arguable whether being gay is a choice
2) Isn't being Catholic, Muslim, whatever a choice? It certainly isn't more genetic than being gay is.

[PublicOption]

there is less than 1% of people born with genetic confusion. the rest were sanduskized.

[SnakeBoy]

1) It is arguable whether being gay is a choice
2) Isn't being Catholic, Muslim, whatever a choice? It certainly isn't more genetic than being gay is.

1.) Not really, there is no real evidence of it being genetic.
2.) Yes, that was the point of trying to provide a better analogy rather than the standard blacks = gays analogy.

[Th'Pusher]

1) It is arguable whether being gay is a choice
2) Isn't being Catholic, Muslim, whatever a choice? It certainly isn't more genetic than being gay is.

Not to completely spin this thread off topic, but I read the nice write-up in SABJ today on craft brewing in SA. Do you happen to know those two brothers that are building that brewery/restaurant in that old house by the old Pearl brewry?

[ElNono]

1.) Not really, there is no real evidence of it being genetic.

Lack of evidence isn't indisputable proof. So it's certainly arguable until further notice.

But it's still irrelevant, since there's plenty of protected classes that have nothing to do with genetics, including: Religion, National Origin, Age, Disability, Veteran Status, etc.

As a matter of fact, discrimination over genetic information is a protected class.

[clambake]

are we bordering on the conclusion that being gay is a choice?


smh

[ChumpDumper]

are we bordering on the conclusion that being gay is a choice?


smhSnakeBoy can be into guys any time he chooses.

[scott]

Not to completely spin this thread off topic, but I read the nice write-up in SABJ today on craft brewing in SA. Do you happen to know those two brothers that are building that brewery/restaurant in that old house by the old Pearl brewry?

I don't know them, but have heard about their project. Sounds cool.

[Th'Pusher]

I don't know them, but have heard about their project. Sounds cool.

You mean all you guys don't just hang out in Austin lobbying together? :lol

Is that report you wrote published? I'd be interested in reading it.

[LnGrrrR]

1.) Not really, there is no real evidence of it being genetic.
2.) Yes, that was the point of trying to provide a better analogy rather than the standard blacks = gays analogy.

I'd say that even if it's not "genetic" doesn't really make it a choice.

Second, even if it were a choice (which is a crappy word for this discussion to be honest... one doesn't necessarily "choose" to become religious, or to like a certain person, etc etc... choose implies "donuts or bagel this morning")... that still wouldn't mean it was a-ok to discriminate against them.

[SnakeBoy]

Lack of evidence isn't indisputable proof.

Somehow how doubt you would be making that argument if this were a thread on the existence of God.


I'd say that even if it's not "genetic" doesn't really make it a choice.

Second, even if it were a choice (which is a crappy word for this discussion to be honest... one doesn't necessarily "choose" to become religious, or to like a certain person, etc etc... choose implies "donuts or bagel this morning")... that still wouldn't mean it was a-ok to discriminate against them.

That's why I used "behaviour/choice", maybe lifestyle is a better term.

I'm not making any argument that is ok to discriminate against them. I don't oppose same sex marriage. At the same time I always find same sex marriage threads amusing because posters who normally try to make logical arguments automatically throw that out the window and start making claims they can't prove or just screaming "Hatred" or "Oppression" towards anyone who disagrees with them.


Just for the sake of discussion. Why do we have marriage and give special rights/advantage to married couples? Do married couples provide greater benefit to society that is deserving of special treatment and will same sex couples provide that same benefit?

[Yonivore]

Anybody know how the "Kiss-in" is going?

[Yonivore]

Libs get their turn.

No surprise here.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef016769067e89970b-640wi
Fucking cows!

[vy65]

I don't know that it is. This issue is just the one getting media attention everywhere. Recently, Major League Soccer ending their relationship with the Boy Scouts due to their views. Thats a pretty damn big decision to make and I didn't see any attention given to it outside the soccer community. Then again Chic Fil A might be a bigger company. I really have no idea. I guess my point is the Boy Scounts aren't being ignored.

Fair point. And determining how "big a deal" something is will tend to be pretty subjective.

My point is that there aren't any kiss in's at Troop meetings, which is weird because the BSA rank higher on the oppress-o-scale than chick fil a

[ElNono]

Somehow how doubt you would be making that argument if this were a thread on the existence of God.

Why would I? I never claimed there's indisputable proof that god exist/doesn't exist. My opinion on the matter is a completely different story, but that's debatable, and we've debated it many times.


That's why I used "behaviour/choice", maybe lifestyle is a better term.

Another debatable term. I'm heterosexual and I don't recall waking up one morning and making a conscious choice "I'm gonna find women attractive and bang them". Maybe you did.


Just for the sake of discussion. Why do we have marriage and give special rights/advantage to married couples? Do married couples provide greater benefit to society that is deserving of special treatment and will same sex couples provide that same benefit?

I would argue that the onus of proving that the benefits won't be there on same sex couples is on the people that want the discrimination to continue.

[ElNono]

Oops, just noticed the last paragraph wasn't directed at me... but there you go, you get my opinion on those too.

[CosmicCowboy]

Anybody know how the "Kiss-in" is going?

http://ufoship.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/girls_kissing.jpg

I gotta say, it's the first time I've ever popped wood eating waffle fries.

[Blake]

Do married couples provide greater benefit to society that is deserving of special treatment and will same sex couples provide that same benefit?

whatever benefit that might be, I don't see why they wouldn't provide the same.

Do you?

[ChumpDumper]

Anybody know how the "Kiss-in" is going?Of course yoni would want to know about guys kissing each other.

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm heterosexual and I don't recall waking up one morning and making a conscious choice "I'm gonna find women attractive and bang them".

WTF is wrong with you? I make this choice everytime I wake up!:lol

[Wild Cobra]

WTF is wrong with you? I make this choice everytime I wake up!:lol
LOL....

No Shit!

[CosmicCowboy]

whatever benefit that might be, I don't see why they wouldn't provide the same.

Do you?

Are you kidding? The folks in conventional marriages are breeding children to pay off the debts created by us baby boomers! Those fudge packers don't make taxpayers no matter how hard they try.

[TE]

WTF is wrong with you? I make this choice everytime I wake up!:lol

:lol

[Trainwreck2100]

WTF is wrong with you? I make this choice everytime I wake up!:lol

my body makes that decision before i wake up, makes that morning piss difficult as fuck

[ElNono]

WTF is wrong with you? I make this choice everytime I wake up!:lol

Married, IMO :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Married, IMO :lol

:lmao:lmao:lmao:toast

[LnGrrrR]

Why do we have marriage and give special rights/advantage to married couples? Do married couples provide greater benefit to society that is deserving of special treatment and will same sex couples provide that same benefit?

Do you mean why DID they come about, or why do we have them now? And are you talking about it from a logical perspective, or a realpolitik viewpoint?

[CuckingFunt]

That's the real irony.

The employer is not required to provide insurance at all. If he cancels it for everyone then it's no harm / no foul.

If he gives it to his opposite sex couples but doesn't provide it to same sex couples he is discriminating against the same sex couples freedom of choice...but by forcing him to pay for their insurance they are discriminating against the business owners freedom of choice.

Your hypothetical suggests that discrimination against the homosexual employee based on their identity is analogous to discrimination against the employer based on a choice he/she has made.


Crazy stuff.

Indeed.

[CuckingFunt]

They don't pay maternity for breeders.

Ignoring the batshit stupidity of the above comment...

Breeder =/= straight, anymore.

[Blake]

Are you kidding? The folks in conventional marriages are breeding children to pay off the debts created by us baby boomers! Those fudge packers don't make taxpayers no matter how hard they try.

I can't tell if you're kidding.

[ElNono]

Chick-fil-A's PR chief dies suddenly amid gay-marriage imbroglio (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-chick-fil-a-20120728,0,765557.story)

[ElNono]

^ wonder how crookskans is gonna spin that one

[Wild Cobra]

Who killed him I wonder?

[Jacob1983]

This whole so-called controversy has become a joke. The boss of shitty Chick Fil A gave an opinion of marriage in some interview and people want to make a fuckin federal case about it and have a war over it. This is just sad and pathetic. You've got neo-cons bitching about freedom of speech and hippie gay liberals bitching about Chick Fil A supposedly hating gay people want to kill wipe them off the planet.


People bitch over stupid shit. Why not use all of this wasted energy, enthusiasm, and effort and go do something that will actually help people like volunteer at a hospital, library, veterans hospital, church, homeless shelter, etc...? Helping the sick, hungry, wounded, and less fortunate is far more important than bitching over Chick Fil A. However, no one will do that because if they did that, then they would have to actual hard work which benefit someone else and nope that can't happen so it's basically a big fuck you to starving kids, homeless bums, and wounded veterans. They get shat on because everyone wants to participate in a pathetic lynch mob mentality.