Where's the outrage?

[Yonivore]

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This happened Thursday and, yet, nothing.

No condemnation from the Rainbow Coalition, NAACP, Al Sharpton (Okay, I understand Sharpton since it's his employer). But seriously, where's the cannibalistic coverage from the other media outlets?

In my best Rod Serling voice:

"Imagine, if you will, a network that cuts to a commercial break, in which you have a chimpanzee performing gymnastics, immediately after it's premier sports talent makes a big deal out of the race of an African-American Olympic gold medalist and, no one finds it offensive. You've entered the Twilight Zone."

[ElNono]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201743

[jack sommerset]

Hey, id like to try that to. God bless

[Trill Clinton]

we dont wany to spoil little Gabby's moment. we'll wait until the games are over before raising hell. be patient.

[Yonivore]

we dont wany to spoil little Gabby's moment. we'll wait until the games are over before raising hell. be patient.
So, the outrage to perceived racism is not a visceral reaction to injustice but, instead, measured and selective.

Got it.

[Trill Clinton]

So, the outrage to perceived racism is not a visceral reaction to injustice but, instead, measured and selective.

Got it.

we're not savage mutants like the white male. the white male is both obsessed and intimidated by the black male, which is why racism is still very alive in 2012.

we know you want to see jesse jackson and al throwing a fit and cause an uproar, but its not going to happen, at least not yet. we're going to respect this young lady's achievements then drop the hammer when it's time. be patient.

[Trill Clinton]

yoni, where is your outrage?

[Yonivore]

yoni, where is your outrage?
I'm not outraged. I don't think it was racist. Commercial time is a product purchased and placed well in advance of what a network knows (beyond general broadcast content) is going to be broadcast on either side of that time.


we're not savage mutants like the white male. the white male is both obsessed and intimidated by the black male, which is why racism is still very alive in 2012.

we know you want to see jesse jackson and al throwing a fit and cause an uproar, but its not going to happen, at least not yet. we're going to respect this young lady's achievements then drop the hammer when it's time. be patient.
Now, WHO, exactly, are the racists?

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm not outraged. I don't think it was racist. Commercial time is a product purchased and placed well in advance of what a network knows (beyond general broadcast content) is going to be broadcast on either side of that time.


Now, WHO, exactly, are the racists?

those who continually complain about black racists..

[Yonivore]

those who continually complain about black racists..
It's not actually "continual," I have other pursuits and interests. I really only mention it when it's appropriate to the discussion or when it rears it's ugly head in the news cycle.

[ChumpDumper]

So another...

[ChumpDumper]

...pointless thread.

[DMX7]

I didn't even make the connection.

You need to get a life.

[Yonivore]

I didn't even make the connection.

You need to get a life.
That you didn't (nor did I) doesn't mean the connection wasn't made:

NBC forced to apologise after ill-timed ad features a monkey doing gymnastics - right after showing Gabby Douglas' gold medal victory (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2183284/Gabby-Douglas-NBC-forced-apologise-ad-features-monkey-doing-gymnastics-right-AFTER-victory.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)

That's from Googling "Outrage over NBC commercial Gabby"

Not one mention of any U.S. media source or any of the typical race-baiters in America.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I don't think it was racist.

Why would you expect black people to protest something you don't view as racist? Admit it, you made the immediate connection in your mind between the primate and black people, and you're surprised nobody else did. Or proud enough to run to the computer and post this thread?

[Oh, Gee!!]

so far the story has been picked up by a conservative, british tabloid. who is playing the race card, yoni?

[Oh, Gee!!]

of course drudge has picked up the story and linked the daily mail's article to his clearinghouse site. again, who's playing the race card?

[Yonivore]

Why would you expect black people to protest something you don't view as racist?
Because certain race-baiters will find racism in a lot of things I don't view as racist.


Admit it, you made the immediate connection in your mind between the primate and black people, and you're surprised nobody else did. Or proud enough to run to the computer and post this thread?
Actually, I watched the program that night and saw the ad. I wasn't aware anyone was offended until I saw the story.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I wasn't aware anyone was offended until I saw the story.

bullshit, your first post asked why nobody was outraged, then you googled it hoping to find it discussed in the MSM but couldn't. The only thing you could find was the daily mail article which cites two (yep, two) twitter uses that criticized the ad. That must be enough in the daily mail's mind (and your's) to say that NBC is in the center of a race storm. Sounds like they and you and drudge are playing the race card. But, why?

[ElNono]

bullshit, your first post asked why nobody was outraged, then you googled it hoping to find it discussed in the MSM but couldn't. The only thing you could find was the daily mail article which cites two (yep, two) twitter uses that criticized the ad. That must be enough in the daily mail's mind (and your's) to say that NBC is in the center of a race storm. Sounds like they and you and drudge are playing the race card. But, why?


http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201743

[Yonivore]

bullshit, your first post asked why nobody was outraged, then you googled it hoping to find it discussed in the MSM but couldn't. The only thing you could find was the daily mail article which cites two (yep, two) twitter uses that criticized the ad. That must be enough in the daily mail's mind (and your's) to say that NBC is in the center of a race storm. Sounds like they and you and drudge are playing the race card. But, why?
So, NBC felt the need to clarify the event over a Telegraph article that quotes two tweets? Why would they do that?

NBC Explains Gabby Douglas, 'Animal Practice' Promo Snafu (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/nbc-gabby-douglas-animal-practice-promo-olympics-358229)

Perhaps the outcry was much bigger and our legacy media does what it dutifully does when one of their own (whether it be other legacy media outlets or favored politicians) and buried the story.

[Jacob1983]

Is this race baiting? If you expect someone to get mad over something like that, aren't you in a way race baiting? And isn't also racist to only get mad over that commercial if it had been aired after Bob was talking about a black girl? If he had been talking about a white girl, would anyone have given a shit?


I never understood the whole "black people are monkeys" bit. It's inaccurate because some white people look like monkeys. David Gregory reminds me of King Louie from the Jungle Book. And what about Bob Costas? He has a King Louie face going too.


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[Wild Cobra Kai]

tbh, NBC has made a completely fuckery of commercial placements, spoiling their own upcoming telecast with a promo for their morning show featuring the gold medal winner, 6 minutes before they telecast the race. Whoever was in charge of that aspect of the Olympics needs to be fired, and it has little to do with a chimp commercial.

[Jacob1983]

The NFL and the Olympics are the only times when people watch NBC. What a sad existence for the network.

[Blake]

Because certain race-baiters will find racism in a lot of things I don't view as racist.

Actually, I watched the program that night and saw the ad. I wasn't aware anyone was offended until I saw the story.

So you don't see this as racist, yet you are questioning why the NAACP, the Rainbow Coalition, etc don't either.

You and this thread both suck.

[Spurminator]

Yoni would have posted a thread about this regardless of what happened.

No racial uproar? Claim hypocrisy and selectivity, whine.

Racial uproar? Claim PC run amok, whine.

So predictable and so droll.

[Yonivore]

So you don't see this as racist, yet you are questioning why the NAACP, the Rainbow Coalition, etc don't either.

You and this thread both suck.
There are many things I don't believe have a racial component and yet, the NAACP, the Rainbow Coalition, etc come out of the woodwork to condemn. One of the major instigators, over the years, is the visual use of monkeys, gorillas, chimpanzees, etc... and references to comical African stereotypes in too close proximity to a favored African-American.

I think it just happened to be because of who was responsible, NBC. A friendly.

[Creepn]

When I watched it, I said jokingly to mywife, "wow that's racist". I said it jokingly because I don't think NBC would intentionally degrade a girl that dedicated her life to win a medal for our country. I thought the host's speech was more offensive tbh.

[Blake]

There are many things I don't believe have a racial component and yet, the NAACP, the Rainbow Coalition, etc come out of the woodwork to condemn.

I think it just happened to be because of who was responsible, NBC. A friendly.

So you think they didn't show outrage over a non-outrageous issue simply because it was NBC.

Outrageous!

[Oh, Gee!!]

Stormfront.org picked up the story as well. they seem like a fair and reasonable group. /sarcasm

[Drachen]

To answer the question in the title, it seems that the outrage lies solely in the original poster.

[Yonivore]

So you think they didn't show outrage over a non-outrageous issue simply because it was NBC.
Pretty much.


Outrageous!
I know, right?

[Yonivore]

To answer the question in the title, it seems that the outrage lies solely in the original poster.
I'm not outraged. Was just pointing another hypocrisy of the Left. That's all.

[boutons_deux]

you were just nibbling on ankles, and dragggin in ratshit to the forum, adding it to your huge pile of ... ratshit, significant only to yourself

[DarrinS]

When I watched it, I said jokingly to mywife, "wow that's racist". I said it jokingly because I don't think NBC would intentionally degrade a girl that dedicated her life to win a medal for our country. I thought the host's speech was more offensive tbh.

I was watching at the time and was more caught up in what Costas was talking about -- that he thought it so important to identify her by race. When I saw the monkey commercial, I just saw a silly ad with a monkey. If your first thought is "wow, that's racist", then perhaps you should ask yourself why the sight of a monkey gives you an instantaneous association with African-mericans. THAT'S racist!

[ChumpDumper]

I was watching at the time and was more caught up in what Costas was talking about -- that he thought it so important to identify her by race.How dare he!

Outrage!

[Blake]

I'm not outraged. Was just pointing another hypocrisy of the Left. That's all.

So even though you don't see racism here, you are still saying the NAACP, Rainbow Coalition, et al need to or else they are hypocrites.

[FromWayDowntown]

I haven't even read this thread, and I'm outraged!

[Yonivore]

So even though you don't see racism here, you are still saying the NAACP, Rainbow Coalition, et al need to or else they are hypocrites.
That's correct and succinct.

[ChumpDumper]

So yoni is whining because people aren't outraged at something for which he feels no outrage.

[Creepn]

So yoni is whining because people aren't outraged at something for which he feels no outrage.

:lol lmao aaaah!

[Blake]

So yoni is whining because people aren't outraged at something for which he feels no outrage.

That's correct and succinct

[Oh, Gee!!]

Jesse Jackson did not live up to Yoni's expectations, therefore Jackson is a hypocrite.

[Creepn]

. When I saw the monkey commercial, I just saw a silly ad with a monkey. If your first thought is "wow, that's racist", then perhaps you should ask yourself why the sight of a monkey gives you an instantaneous association with African-mericans. THAT'S racist!

Lol people who made the connection either called black people monkeys or the blacks have been called a monkey by somebody. If no connection was made in your mind then I'd say you passed the racism test. Sort of like finding out that you aren't gay when you don't get a rise looking at gay porn. Yoni obviously failed this test and I think you're lying about not making the connection.

[Yonivore]

Lol people who made the connection either called black people monkeys or the blacks have been called a monkey by somebody. If no connection was made in your mind then I'd say you passed the racism test. Sort of like finding out that you aren't gay when you don't get a rise looking at gay porn. Yoni obviously failed this test and I think you're lying about not making the connection.
Actually, I didn't make the connection until I read about it a day or two later. And, I was watching the Costas interview and saw the commercial. But, I know, because I chose to discuss it, that makes me a racist. Cool.

I actually agree with you, if you saw that commercial and immediately associated it with black people, you're a racist or you're overly sensitive racism.

[Trill Clinton]

smh

[Winehole23]

I actually agree with you, if you saw that commercial and immediately associated it with black people, you're a racist or you're overly sensitive racism. while at the same time, failing to display anti-racist umbrage makes people hypocrites.

ain't it great having things both ways?

[Creepn]

Actually, I didn't make the connection until I read about it a day or two later. And, I was watching the Costas interview and saw the commercial. But, I know, because I chose to discuss it, that makes me a racist. Cool.

I actually agree with you, if you saw that commercial and immediately associated it with black people, you're a racist or you're overly sensitive racism.

I think the case is mostly due to being overly sensitive to be real with you, yeah. Gotta use your head sometimes. Did NBC reeeeaaally do that with racial intent? Nah. That's why there isn't much outrage over it.

[Yonivore]

I think the case is mostly due to being overly sensitive to be real with you, yeah. Gotta use your head sometimes. Did NBC reeeeaaally do that with racial intent? Nah. That's why there isn't much outrage over it.
And, if the Olympics were on Fox and that ad had run after an interview with a black gymnast?

[ChumpDumper]

And, if the Olympics were on Fox and that ad had run after an interview with a black gymnast?Oh, so now we need to feel hypothetical outrage?

Your thread failed. Give it a rest.

[TeyshaBlue]

I think the case is mostly due to being overly sensitive to be real with you, yeah. Gotta use your head sometimes. Did NBC reeeeaaally do that with racial intent? Nah. That's why there isn't much outrage over it.

Yup.:toast

[Yonivore]

SFErH4-c9p4

It’s not OK to ignore this pro-Romney ad (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/its-not-ok-to-ignore-this-pro-romney-ad/2012/07/25/gJQA7qvV9W_blog.html)


By telling potential voters “It’s OK to make a change,” the RNC is acknowledging all that I mention above. It’s OK to like the guy personally but not vote for him again. This is not a popularity contest. It’s OK to vote against the black guy. You gave him a shot. He gave it his best shot. He failed. And the most effective message is: “It’s OK to make a change” — and not be thought of as a racist.

Throughout Obama’s presidency, I’ve received more than a few e-mails and tweets from folks complaining that they are branded racist if they disagree with anything the president says or does. And it doesn’t help matters that I have seen more than a few e-mails and tweets from ardent Obama supporters doing exactly that. I have also seen instances of this on television and in print.

That’s why the “It’s OK to make a change” ad is the most dangerous for Obama’s reelection efforts. It give those few, yet crucial, undecided voters the pass they might be looking for to vote against Obama.
Think about what the writer is saying.

Apparently, this Washington Post writer believes this ad is dangerous because it frees people to vote against Barack Obama and not be considered racist. So, by saying that, isn't he admitting -- for himself anyway -- that a certain number of 2008 voters, that cast their ballots for voters, have stayed in the Obama camp because there is a tendency to paint criticism of Obama as racist?

Not only that, he's not trying to simply explain the phenomenon, he seems worried that this is the case. Quite revealing.

Yes, people see racism where it doesn't exist. Yes, many times, it results in hilarity -- other times, it runs the risk of completely destroying innocent people.

Just ask David Howard or George Zimmerman.

[ChumpDumper]

God damn, people are as stupid as yoni if they were waiting for permission to cast their secret ballot against Obama.

[ChumpDumper]

And believe me, I would love to ask George Zimmerman what it's like to completely destroy an innocent person.

[Oh, Gee!!]

kinda loosey-goosey with facts: I've seen my share, I've heard people say, I've seen instances of. That's his evidence of wide-spread fearmongering?

[Winehole23]

anecdotes and inferences that buttress whatever one already thinks are ipso facto valid

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ipso facto is used in relation to a specific action. ie X occured therefor ipso facto Y is true. it's not a generalized case.

[Winehole23]

thank you

[Winehole23]

condescension and gratuitous pedantry are strong points for you

[FuzzyLumpkins]

condescension and gratuitous pedantry are strong points for you

Thank you.

On another note what drove your use of ipso facto in response to Oh, Gee!!?

I only said it in response to the irony of your obvious attempt at pedantry and the consideration that your usage was wrong.

[Winehole23]

the literal meaning --"by the fact itself" -- was intended. not sure what's wrong with that.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

the literal meaning --"by the fact itself" -- was intended. not sure what's wrong with that.

So you are trying to say that what they are thinking is inherently true because they think it?

It's a logical construct. Because it is X it inherently has the property of Y.

He is a man ipso facto he has testicles
The animal is a dog ipso facto it eats shit.


whatever one already thinks are ipso facto valid

The subject and predicate are pretty obvious. At best your usage is misleading/ambiguous.

It's a relation between something and it's inherent property. It's also well regarded as a fail in regards at an attempt at pedantry even when it is used correctly.

For example here is what Black's law dictionary:


Latin for “by the fact itself.” This term is used by Latin-addicted lawyers when something is so obvious that it needs no elaboration or further explanation.

[Winehole23]

So you are trying to say that what they are thinking is inherently true because they think it?I was making a facetious observation. I'm not surprised it went over your head, nor that you went full bore pedant.

[Winehole23]

which btw, I never mind if the pedantry hits the mark; in this case you were oblivious to the humor and your criticism was a stretch.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

which btw, I never mind if the pedantry hits the mark; in this case you were oblivious to the humor and your criticism was a stretch.

Um no it wasn't. You have not even made an attempt at a logical refutation. your usage was wrong.

Oh and


anecdotes and inferences that buttress whatever one already thinks are ipso facto valid

That's SOOOOO funny!! I am just overcome with the ironic disingenuousness. HAHAHAHA!! :rolleyes

It was your typical attempt at 'poetic' pedantry. So charming.

[O.J. Simpson]

This has to be one of the dumbest threads in the history of Spurstalk. I hope you're sterile.

[Winehole23]

You have not even made an attempt at a logical refutation. your usage was wrong.It wasn't, so there's no need.

[Yonivore]

This has to be one of the dumbest threads in the history of Spurstalk. I hope you're sterile.
Says one of the most famous beneficiaries of race-baiting.

[O.J. Simpson]

Says one of the most famous beneficiaries of race-baiting.

Making a racial thread about something you admit doesn't offend you nor you consider racist not only makes you a shameless race-baiter, but a fucking retard. This thread literally has no point and you admit as such.

You need to consider ending your life.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It wasn't, so there's no need.

Posturing instead of refutation. Channelling your inner wc I see. It should be noted that this particular position contradicts your ridicule of those that assume their positions are correct in and of themselves.

Here is hint: ipso facto means "because this fact is true this other fact is true." Seeing your comments about anecdotes, it's obviously not the case. Otoh, per se means "in and of itself"

[Winehole23]

I'm sorry, you were talking?

:sleep

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm sorry, you were talking?

:sleep

thanks wc. Say talk to the hand and I'd swear you were him.

[Creepn]

We got a battle of college education here.

[Winehole23]

eh, what's to fight? some irascible sorehead who picks nits?

no thanks.

[DarrinS]

We got a battle of college education here.

Not a fair fight. In a battle of wits, Fuzzy is unarmed.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

eh, what's to fight? some irascible sorehead who picks nits?

no thanks.

I noticed a misuse of latin, pointed it out, and you started in with the pettiness. I may nit pick but spare the martyr routine.

Your 'graciousness' couldn't even last 2 hours. Looking at the timestamps I am going to guess that's when you started drinking.

[Yonivore]

I noticed a misuse of latin, pointed it out, and you started in with the pettiness. I may nit pick but spare the martyr routine.

Your 'graciousness' couldn't even last 2 hours. Looking at the timestamps I am going to guess that's when you started drinking.
:lmao You two deserve each other. Maybe we can all be spared some trolling if the two of you will just snipe at each other for awhile.

:lmao

[Wild Cobra]

I noticed a misuse of latin, pointed it out, and you started in with the pettiness. I may nit pick but spare the martyr routine.

Your 'graciousness' couldn't even last 2 hours. Looking at the timestamps I am going to guess that's when you started drinking.
No...

You Gnat-Pick...

You are just a Globfly... A pesky little insect...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bravo, wine, you have the defense of the two gems of the board. Charming indeed.

[Wild Cobra]

Bravo, wine, you have the defense of the two gems of the board. Charming indeed.
WH can be an asshole at times, and especially to me. However, unlike you, I respect him.

[Yonivore]

Bravo, wine, you have the defense of the two gems of the board. Charming indeed.
I wasn't defending either one of you as much as hoping the two of you would somehow become locked in some sort of ankle-biting troll exercise to the death.

But, I suspect my intervening and saying anything has ruined that chance.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I wasn't defending either one of you as much as hoping the two of you would somehow become locked in some sort of ankle-biting troll exercise to the death.

But, I suspect my intervening and saying anything has ruined that chance.

Yoni, what you say has about as much bearing on what my opinion/approach to anything is as theirs does.

I wouldn't worry though it's pushing 5PM in most time zones so imagine wine will be back half drunk and martyred nonetheless.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

WH can be an asshole at times, and especially to me. However, unlike you, I respect him.

I pity you. I really do.

You respect someone that doesn't respect you and further treats you like shit with you fully aware of the arrangement. I am sure your respect means as much to him as it does to me.

[Trainwreck2100]

what's offensive is thinking that show is gonna last through the midseason. An animal doctor's office? Who fucking green lights that shit