Prediction

[George Gervin's Afro]

A 40-year-old Army veteran who gunned down six inside a Milwaukee-area Sikh temple shot the responding officer eight to nine times before he was killed by police, authorities said Monday.

Officials said the gunman, whom they identified as Wade Michael Page, walked into the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin on Sunday and opened fire with a 9mm handgun as several dozen people prepared for morning services. The victims ranged in age from 39 to 84, authorities said. Three others were wounded, including 51-year-old veteran police officer Brian Murphy, who remains in critical condition.

Authorities said during a Monday press conference that there is no reason to believe anyone other than Page was involved in the shooting in the Milwaukee suburb of Oak Creek. But the FBI showed a photo of a "person of interest" whom they want to question in the investigation. The unidentified man showed up at the scene after the shooting and looked "suspicious," Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards said. The man left before police could interview him.

FBI Special Agent in Charge, Teresa Carlson, said a motive is still under investigation, and noted that authorities are looking at Page's "ties to white supremacist groups."

Carlson said the shooting is being investigated as a "possible act of terrorism." She said the suspect "had contact with law enforcement in the past," but said there was no reason to believe he was capable of such violence.

"Nobody knew that this guy was a threat," Carlson said.

Edwards said police received a distress call at 10:25 a.m. from inside the temple. He said the shooting suspect ambushed and opened fire on Murphy, a 20-year veteran of the police force, after he showed up on scene and tried to help a victim outside. Murphy was shot by the suspect eight to nine times, Edwards said.

Other officers responding to the scene exchanged rounds of gunfire with the suspect before "putting the individual down," Edwards said.

Four people were found dead inside the temple, while three, including the suspected shooter, were found dead outside. The victims were described as five males and one female, ranging in age from 39 to 84.

Sources close to the investigation told Fox News that Page was at one time attached to the Fort Bragg Army installation in North Carolina.

Authorities said Page enlisted in April 1992 and was discharged from the Army in 1998 "under honorable conditions," which is less than honorable discharge. While not as negative as a dishonorable discharge, such a release would preclude one from reenlisting or entering another military service, sources explained to Fox News. Reuters reported that the discharge was for "patterns of misconduct," including being drunk on duty.

Page served at Fort Bliss, Texas, in the psychological operations unit in 1994, and was last stationed at Fort Bragg, N.C., attached to the psychological operations unit. He was an E4 psychological operations specialist, but was never deployed. He was awarded the Army Commendation Medal, Army Achievement Medal, Army Good Conduct award, the National Defense Service Medal, Humanitarian Service Medal and Parachutist Badge.

The shooting left the local Sikh community devastated. Sikhism, a monotheistic faith founded in South Asia more than 500 years ago, has roughly 27 million folowers worldwide. Most are in India, though there are an estimated 500,000 in the U.S. Many Sikhs in the U.S. worship on Sundays at a temple, or gurdwara, and a typical service consists of meditation and singing in a prayer room where worshippers remove their shoes and sit on the floor. Worshippers gather afterward for a meal that is open to the entire community.

The Sikh Temple of Wisconsin started in 1997 with about 25 families who gathered in community halls in Milwaukee. Construction on the current temple in Oak Creek began in 2006, according to the temple's website. Sikh rights groups have reported a rise in bias attacks since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. The Washington-based Sikh Coalition has reported more than 700 incidents in the U.S. since 9/11, which advocates blame on anti-Islamic sentiment. Sikhs are not Muslims, but their long beards and turbans often cause them to be mistaken for Muslims, advocates say.

Satwant Kaleka, president of the temple, was one of those shot. Sources told Fox News he attempted to tackle the suspect as he sprayed gunfire inside the temple.

A woman who says she was a neighbor of the suspect tells FoxNews.com that last week she heard yelling coming from the apartment she believes is the same one the FBI is now searching.

The neighbor says, as she understood it, the suspect had lived in the apartment with his girlfriend until their recent break-up. The suspect had then moved into another apartment nearby two weeks ago. She says he had returned to the old apartment and was banging on the door of his old apartment, demanding to be let in. The neighbor also said she believed the suspect had a 9-11 tattoo.

Another local resident Kurt Weins told the Journal Sentinel he rented out the upper flat of the duplex to a man in his 40s.

"I had him checked out and he definitely checked out," Weins told the newspaper. "The cops told me they don't want me to say nothing right now."



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/06/authorities-search-for-motive-in-deadly-shooting-at-wisconsin-sikh-temple/#ixzz22mkWJatW

we all know that some lunatic on the left will make a comment trying to tie the alleged shooter to a tea party/ right wing group...

Then the yoni's and Fox news' of the world will then blame the enitre left wing of the country for politicizing the matter... for one person's comments..

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Maybe the shooter doesn't have any direct ties to a right wing group, but the shooting was more than likely fueled by the right's mission to demonize Islamic people.

Maybe I'm "politicizing" the shooting by saying that, but violence against Sikh people by morons who think they're Arabs has been a common occurence since 9/11. There's no way around that.

[clambake]

sikh, muslim........just an event where yoni would holster his weapon.

[Yonivore]

Then the yoni's and Fox news' of the world will then blame the enitre left wing of the country for politicizing the matter... for one person's comments..
That really depends on a couple of things; 1) from how high up the liberal food chain the "one person's comments" originate and 2) how long the liberal press plays up the possibility there's a connection -- or, just outright asserts it.

[Yonivore]

Maybe the shooter doesn't have any direct ties to a right wing group, but the shooting was more than likely fueled by the right's mission to demonize Islamic people.

Maybe I'm "politicizing" the shooting by saying that, but violence against Sikh people by morons who think they're Arabs has been a common occurence since 9/11. There's no way around that.
DUNCANownsKOBE isn't high enough on the food chain, for example.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Maybe the shooter doesn't have any direct ties to a right wing group, but the shooting was more than likely fueled by the right's mission to demonize Islamic people.

Maybe I'm "politicizing" the shooting by saying that, but violence against Sikh people by morons who think they're Arabs has been a common occurence since 9/11. There's no way around that.


you're not being politically correct...

[George Gervin's Afro]

DUNCANownsKOBE isn't high enough on the food chain, for example.

I have faith that by the end of the day you will be playing the victim..

[jack sommerset]

George, if you are trying to be politically neutral with this story, I would like to make a suggestion. Don't single a ST person on your right without singling out a ST person on the left. It would be nice not to at all. Same goes with a media outlet. You name fox, name NBC or huffington. Hopefully this a new beginning, not trolling which has been your lefty agenda since joining up here and good for you if you are changing your ways. God bless

[George Gervin's Afro]

George, if you are trying to be politically neutral with this story, I would like to make a suggestion. Don't single a ST person on your right without singling out a ST person on the left. It would be nice not to at all. Same goes with a media outlet. You name fox, name NBC or huffington. Hopefully this a new beginning, not trolling which has been your lefty agenda since joining up here and good for you if you are changing your ways. God bless

you have dumbed down ST since you have been here..


rob hess

[Yonivore]

I have faith that by the end of the day you will be playing the victim..
Then you must have faith the liberal left won't be able to resist the urge to pin this on the Tea Party and/or other Conservatives.

[jack sommerset]

you have dumbed down ST since you have been here..


rob hess

Brother, this is a deflection. I honestly thought you were trying to be neutral with your left wing politics. I have never seen that from you. I've seen you troll people in to thinking you were a McCain over Obama guy until a woman stepped in. We know how funny those days were, are and how you dislike woman in authority. Maybe you are trying to change. Ill pray for you and your family you do change your ways. God bless

[ChumpDumper]

jack takes the internets too seriously. I will pray that he finds better uses of his time and quits abandoning his work and family duties rather than whining and praying about the fairness of GGA's posts.

Ron bless.

[George Gervin's Afro]

jack takes the internets too seriously. I will pray that he finds better uses of his time and quits abandoning his work and family duties rather than whining and praying about the fairness of GGA's posts.

Ron bless.

Sister, this is a deflection


jon tesh

[Spurminator]

Then you must have faith the liberal left won't be able to resist the urge to pin this on the Tea Party and/or other Conservatives.

Given the vast expanse of waste that is the internet and 24-hour cable news, I have no doubt at all that there will be discussion of possible Tea Party / Conservative fault and that there will be 10x as much whining about it.

[ChumpDumper]

He's obviously been brainwashed by the government. I bet there were multiple chemtrails in the skies over Milwaukee that day.

[Yonivore]

Given the vast expanse of waste that is the internet and 24-hour cable news, I have no doubt at all that there will be discussion of possible Tea Party / Conservative fault and that there will be 10x as much whining about it.
Again, it depends on who's advancing the narrative.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

He's obviously been brainwashed by the government. I bet there were multiple chemtrails in the skies over Milwaukee that day.
The drones got to him :depressed


Anywho, it's odd that after every tragedy like this one, you see right wingers immediately come out with a defensive attitude and say, "Anyone who tries to politicize this and blame the GOP is a horrible person!"

Wreeks of a guilty conscience.

[boutons_deux]

Pat Robertson Blames Sikh Temple Shooting on Atheists


Today on the 700 Club, Pat Robertson said that “Satanic” atheists were to blame for the shooting at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin. Robertson claimed that “people who are atheists, they hate God, they hate the expression of God,” and are responsible for the massacre, which was committed by a white supremacist. “They’re angry with the world, angry with themselves, angry with society and they take it out on innocent people who are worshiping God,” Robertson continued. He recommended that people “talk about the love of God and hope it has some impact” to stop violence.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/pat-robertson-blames-sikh-temple-shooting-atheists

[ChumpDumper]

Mr. Page was trained as an Army specialist in psychological operations, according to his service records. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444246904577572853363465564.html

Alex Jones is going to have a field day with this one.

"PsyOp" is his favorite word.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Pat Robertson Blames Sikh Temple Shooting on Atheists


Today on the 700 Club, Pat Robertson said that “Satanic” atheists were to blame for the shooting at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin. Robertson claimed that “people who are atheists, they hate God, they hate the expression of God,” and are responsible for the massacre, which was committed by a white supremacist. “They’re angry with the world, angry with themselves, angry with society and they take it out on innocent people who are worshiping God,” Robertson continued. He recommended that people “talk about the love of God and hope it has some impact” to stop violence.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/pat-robertson-blames-sikh-temple-shooting-atheists
:lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444246904577572853363465564.html

Alex Jones is going to have a field day with this one.

"PsyOp" is his favorite word.
He'll probably try to claim that he predicted this when he said Obama would stage a terrorist attack that kills millions and results in martial law.

[ChumpDumper]

Remember how Republicans shit themselves when the Bush administration's domestic terra prediction came out?

[Yonivore]

The drones got to him :depressed

Anywho, it's odd that after every tragedy like this one, you see right wingers immediately come out with a defensive attitude and say, "Anyone who tries to politicize this and blame the GOP is a horrible person!"

Wreeks of a guilty conscience.
I don't think it's odd at all; nor is it a sign of guilt. It's a knee-jerk reaction due to a non-stop stream of such connections being made, erroneously, in the past.

During the Aurora Shooting aftermath, Brian Ross immediately tries to tie the violence to the Tea Party by, apparently, just Googling the shooter's name, in conjuction with the term "Tea Party" and coming up with a guy, by the same name, associated with the Tea Party in Aurora and making the connection. Wrong.

In the aftermath of the attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, a cacophony of accusations filled the airwaves that it was the violent, militaristic use of things like cross-hairs in Sarah Palin's ads that drove the shooter to act. Wrong.

Immediately after the attempted Times Square bombing, Mayor Bloomberg insinuated it was probably someone opposed to Obamacare. Wrong.

Some guy flies a plane into an IRS office and The New York Times asks, "The First Tea Party Terrorist?" Nope. He wasn't.

Some census workers commits suicide and scrawls the word "Fed" on his own body and Time Magazine speculates it's related to Tea Party vitriol.

Combine just those examples with the fact there have been NO instances of violence tied to the Tea Party and, well, you begin to wonder if the media and the left (sorry for the redundancy) are trying to invent a narrative about the Tea Party.

Then, you look at the actual violence perpetrated by the Occupy crowd, who were supported by just about every top Democrat figure, including Obama and Pelosi, and you also wonder, WTF?

[boutons_deux]

"non-stop stream of such connections being made, erroneously"

self-describe much?

[Spurminator]

Then, you look at the actual violence perpetrated by the Occupy crowd, who were supported by just about every top Democrat figure, including Obama and Pelosi, and you also wonder, WTF?

Name one act of violence allegedly perpetrated by the Occupy crowd that you feel merited national news coverage.

[ChumpDumper]

lol occupy violence

You forgot to mention the New Black Panthers, but you usually have to change yourself after doing so.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I don't think it's odd at all; nor is it a sign of guilt. It's a knee-jerk reaction due to a non-stop stream of such connections being made, erroneously, in the past.

During the Aurora Shooting aftermath, Brian Ross immediately tries to tie the violence to the Tea Party by, apparently, just Googling the shooter's name, in conjuction with the term "Tea Party" and coming up with a guy, by the same name, associated with the Tea Party in Aurora and making the connection. Wrong.

In the aftermath of the attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, a cacophony of accusations filled the airwaves that it was the violent, militaristic use of things like cross-hairs in Sarah Palin's ads that drove the shooter to act. Wrong.

Immediately after the attempted Times Square bombing, Mayor Bloomberg insinuated it was probably someone opposed to Obamacare. Wrong.

Some guy flies a plane into an IRS office and The New York Times asks, "The First Tea Party Terrorist?" Nope. He wasn't.

Some census workers commits suicide and scrawls the word "Fed" on his own body and Time Magazine speculates it's related to Tea Party vitriol.

Combine just those examples with the fact there have been NO instances of violence tied to the Tea Party and, well, you begin to wonder if the media and the left (sorry for the redundancy) are trying to invent a narrative about the Tea Party.

Then, you look at the actual violence perpetrated by the Occupy crowd, who were supported by just about every top Democrat figure, including Obama and Pelosi, and you also wonder, WTF?

lol ..one person at one news organization... and it's the media

[Yonivore]

Name one act of violence allegedly perpetrated by the Occupy crowd that you feel merited national news coverage.
It's a Left wing movement imbued with a culture of violence.

Name one act of violence perpetrated by the Tea Party? Yet, you have the mainstream media incessantly barking about what a violent movement is the Tea Party.

But, since you ask, here's an act of Occupy Crowd violence warranting national news:

Obama campaign office window smashed during Occupy protest (http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=8761493)

:lmao Ahem, seriously though...

5 arrested in alleged plot to blow up Cleveland-area bridge (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/05/report-5-arrested-in-alleged-plot-to-blow-up-cleveland-area-bridge/1#.UCAQSfZlTrQ)

Of course, if you want to speak to the generally violent nature of Obama's beloved Occupy crowd, just look at the crime statistics in the various camps they've occupied around the country.

Just Google "Occupy Crime Statistics" (https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=eese&gs_nf=1&gs_mss=Occupy%20violence%20s&tok=oXkHGeZ4NNieYwegLn9wgA&cp=20&gs_id=27&xhr=t&q=Occupy%20violence%20statistics&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Occupy+violence+stat&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=4a9f891eb1c200d7&biw=1440&bih=785)

[Yonivore]

lol ..one person at one news organization... and it's the media
If that's all you see, you're blind.
There were actually three media outlets and the mayor of a major city mentioned in that post, and that's leaving out the dozens of Democrats and media outlets that went absolutely bat shit crazy over the Tea Party after the Gabby Giffords shooting -- all of them major and, they are by no means alone in trying to advance the narrative the Tea Party is violent.

It's simply an article of faith, on the left, that the Tea Party is a violent movement -- even thought there is absolutely nothing to support that belief.

You'd run out of bandwidth trying to list all the Democrat politicians that have called the Tea Party violent.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao Ahem, seriously though...

5 arrested in alleged plot to blow up Cleveland-area bridge (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/05/report-5-arrested-in-alleged-plot-to-blow-up-cleveland-area-bridge/1#.UCAQSfZlTrQ)You might want to find an article that has the word "occupy" in it.

Seriously.

[Spurminator]

Name one act of violence perpetrated by the Tea Party? Yet, you have the mainstream media incessantly barking about what a violent movement is the Tea Party.

No you don't. You have selective pieces of speculation pulled from days upon days of coverage of serious crimes, and you've used these to try to create the appearance of some conspiracy against the Tea Party movement.

There haven't been any crimes of a comparable magnitude to the ones you listed that could in any way be reasonably assumed to have been committed by an Occupy protester.




:lmao Ahem, seriously though...

5 arrested in alleged plot to blow up Cleveland-area bridge (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/05/report-5-arrested-in-alleged-plot-to-blow-up-cleveland-area-bridge/1#.UCAQSfZlTrQ)

Isn't anarchy pretty much the antithesis of what the Occupy movement is about? Quite a stretch to tie these guys to the Occupy crowd, but I'm sure you have plenty of blogs that have painstakingly made the connection.

[Yonivore]

You might want to find an article that has the word "occupy" in it.

Seriously.
You noticed that, eh? You're right, it's difficult. Almost as if the media is hiding the fact the bombers are active Cleveland Occupy members.

Bridge bomb plot: Suspects were active in Occupy Cleveland, even as movement slowed to a crawl (http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/05/bridge_bomb_plot_suspects_were.html)

[Spurminator]

you might want to find an article that has the word "occupy" in it.

Seriously.

that's part of the cover-up!!

[ChumpDumper]

So who allowed them into the Occupy movement?

Can anyone be expelled from it?

[Spurminator]

...And you're still comparing news coverage of a foiled plot to coverage of crimes that were successfully carried out.

Again, there's going to be a big difference in the amount of "analysis" of thge crimes you listed, vs. crimes that were not successful, or crimes like vandalism.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You noticed that, eh? You're right, it's difficult. Almost as if the media is hiding the fact the bombers are active Cleveland Occupy members.

Bridge bomb plot: Suspects were active in Occupy Cleveland, even as movement slowed to a crawl (http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/05/bridge_bomb_plot_suspects_were.html)




Five men involved in Occupy Cleveland stand accused of plotting to blow up a bridge (http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/05/5_suspects_arrested_charged_wi.html)over Cuyahoga Valley National Park in Sagamore Hills. The organization itself has not been implicated (http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/05/bridge_bomb_plot_fbi_says_occu.html), but the arrests prompted organizers to cancel their May Day protest and instead spend the day distancing themselves from what they characterized as a fringe element.



Looks like the occupy movement was definitely a supporter of those bombings!

[Yonivore]

No you don't. You have selective pieces of speculation pulled from days upon days of coverage of serious crimes, and you've used these to try to create the appearance of some conspiracy against the Tea Party movement.
I can't help you weren't paying attention after the shooting.


There haven't been any crimes of a comparable magnitude to the ones you listed that could in any way be reasonably assumed to have been committed by an Occupy protester.
The accumulated murders, rapes, and property crimes of the Occupy Movement -- if you use the media "Tea Party" template -- should be a major story but, it isn't.


Isn't anarchy pretty much the antithesis of what the Occupy movement is about? Quite a stretch to tie these guys to the Occupy crowd, but I'm sure you have plenty of blogs that have painstakingly made the connection.
Actually, it was the Cleveland news. I think USA Today may have mentioned in a story. But, as chump so helpfully pointed out, it didn't make the national sensation Brian Ross's Google of "Tea Party" and the Aurora Shooter's name.

[Yonivore]

Looks like the occupy movement was definitely a supporter of those bombings!
You're missing the point.

No one seems to need Tea Party endorsement of a violent act in order to paint them as the cause. Why should the Occupy Movement be any different?

Except, in this case, we have REAL Occupy Movement members committing REAL crimes.

[ChumpDumper]

lol may have.

Ross actually said in the same breath that might not be the guy and it needed to be confirmed.

[boutons_deux]

You're missing the point.

No one seems to need Tea Party endorsement of a violent act in order to paint them as the cause. Why should the Occupy Movement be any different?

Except, in this case, we have REAL Occupy Movement members committing REAL crimes.

Repugs, the right-wing hate media, old white "patriot", fat, pissed-off tea baggers, all inflaming the non-stop, load-mouthed hate and viciousness.

[clambake]

anyone notice how yoni hasn't ranted about armed citizens?

how this could have all been prevented?


anyone else think that yoni's not disturbed by "this particular shooting"?

[Oh, Gee!!]

prediction: foxnews will display a picture of a black man with a (D) after his name when identifying the shooter. they will later apologize for the clerical mistake.

[Yonivore]

lol may have.

Ross actually said in the same breath that might not be the guy and it needed to be confirmed.
How and why did he make the Tea Party connection to begin with?

That's the point.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You're missing the point.
Your point about alleged violence committed by the occupy movement? Yeah, I'm definitely missing that point seeing that you haven't provided an example of it yet.


No one seems to need Tea Party endorsement of a violent act in order to paint them as the cause. Why should the Occupy Movement be any different?
No one except for the majority of the media outlets that didn't paint the Tea Party as the cause.

[ChumpDumper]

How and why did he make the Tea Party connection to begin with?He Googled a name, genius.

[TeyshaBlue]

Maybe the shooter doesn't have any direct ties to a right wing group, but the shooting was more than likely fueled by the right's mission to demonize Islamic people.


Not alot of thought put into this post, tbh.


"the right's mission"? WTF.

I have nipples, Greg. Could you milk me?

[Yonivore]

Not alot of thought put into this post, tbh.


"the right's mission"? WTF.

I have nipples, Greg. Could you milk me?
:lmao You owe me a keyboard.

[Yonivore]

Your point about alleged violence committed by the occupy movement? Yeah, I'm definitely missing that point seeing that you haven't provided an example of it yet.
No, the point that the media will create associations between violence and the Tea Party, out of thin air while going to great pains not to make those same associations between violence and the Occupy Movement -- even though, Occupy thugs have proven themselves to be a quite violent bunch.


No one except for the majority of the media outlets that didn't paint the Tea Party as the cause.
I'm not going to catalog the stories for you, I think it's enough that Time Magazine, NBC News, The New York Times, and Mayor Bloomberg were willing to create those connections to convince me it's a media narrative being pursued by a broad number of the outlets.

The trend has been pretty consistent since the inception of the Tea Party...

Tea Party Getting Violent? 10 House Dems Report Threats, Vandalism (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20001259-504083.html)

[elbamba]

Maybe the shooter doesn't have any direct ties to a right wing group, but the shooting was more than likely fueled by the right's mission to demonize Islamic people.

Maybe I'm "politicizing" the shooting by saying that, but violence against Sikh people by morons who think they're Arabs has been a common occurence since 9/11. There's no way around that.

Maybe he was pro-gay marriage and was acting out against Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti's hat speech. Yes, I did wikipedia that crap.

[jack sommerset]

jack takes the internets too seriously. I will pray that he finds better uses of his time and quits abandoning his work and family duties rather than whining and praying about the fairness of GGA's posts.

Ron bless.

Brother, you try so hard not to get along, to put people on the defensive. I pray for you to. God bless

[ChumpDumper]

Brother, you try so hard not to get along, to put people on the defensive. I pray for you to. God blessSister, you take my posts too seriously. I will pray for your spelling ability.

Ron bless.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Maybe he was pro-gay marriage and was acting out against Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti's hat speech. Yes, I did wikipedia that crap.
So he was a pro-gay marriage advocate who was also being monitored by anti-hate groups as a Neo-Nazi?

I didn't know Neo-Nazis felt so strongly about the rights of gay people. I guess I learned something new today.

[Oh, Gee!!]

maybe he was mad about the gabby douglas/monkey commercial snafu

[LnGrrrR]

DUNCANownsKOBE isn't high enough on the food chain, for example.

Ok, that was kinda funny. :lol

[Clipper Nation]

"the right's mission"? WTF.
Have you SEEN the witch-hunt that Bachmann has been on?

[TeyshaBlue]

Have you SEEN the witch-hunt that Bachmann has been on?

Are you going to make the same mistake DuncanownesKobe did?

[Spurminator]

I can't help you weren't paying attention after the shooting.

If you're specifically talking abou the Gifford shooting, I paid as much attention as any normal person should. I did not watch hours of Fox News or CNN or MSNBC and I did not scour political blogs for analysis. I did hear discussion about "violent rhetoric" on the right, but I heard about 10x as much bitching FROM the right about this discussion.

In fact, as with a lot of times the right is supposedly unfairly portrayed, I may have only heard about it FROM people like you bitching about it. I'm not sure I would have even known about the crosshairs on Palin's site if not for you guys whining that someone in the media had brought it up. So, thanks I guess?

[jack sommerset]

Sister, you take my posts too seriously. I will pray for your spelling ability.

Ron bless.


I was wonder why you were all over the place today, more than usual that is. You are a few hundred post away from 70,000. Congratulations, brother. I know it's important to you so i will be sure to give you thumbs up when you hit that number! At this current rate you will be there before the end of the week. Thanks for the prays. God bless

[Yonivore]

If you're specifically talking abou the Gifford shooting, I paid as much attention as any normal person should. I did not watch hours of Fox News or CNN or MSNBC and I did not scour political blogs for analysis. I did hear discussion about "violent rhetoric" on the right, but I heard about 10x as much bitching FROM the right about this discussion.

In fact, as with a lot of times the right is supposedly unfairly portrayed, I may have only heard about it FROM people like you bitching about it. I'm not sure I would have even known about the crosshairs on Palin's site if not for you guys whining that someone in the media had brought it up. So, thanks I guess?
Yeah, it was so low-key, the President felt the need to talk about civility and political rhetoric at the memorial.

[jack sommerset]

George, below is an article about an interesting poll. God bless

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/poll-more-obama-voters-mccain-voters-switching-parties-184336191.html

President Barack Obama is having more difficulty keeping 2008 supporters on his side than Mitt Romney is having holding onto John McCain voters, according to a new Gallup poll.
A survey of registered voters conducted July 23-29 found that 92 percent of Americans who voted for McCain in 2008 plan to vote for Romney this fall and just 5 percent have switched sides to support Obama. But among Obama's 2008 supporters, just 86 percent are planning to do so again and 9 percent are switching their support to Romney.
Overall 11 percent of voters who say they cast ballots for Obama or McCain are supporting the other party's candidate.
The margin of error for all 2008 voters is plus or minus 3 percentage points. For the sample of Obama or McCain voters, the margin of error is plus or minus 4 percentage points.

[Yonivore]

A lot of the left-leaning pollsters have been over-sampling Democrats to keep Obama competitive or to show he's way out in front.

Somebody, I think it was Pew, did a D +19 poll in a state where Democrats had never outnumbered Republicans by more than 8% in any election.

I think some Obama fans are going to be in for a surprise.

[ElNono]

With the whole electoral college stuff, how many people switch votes doesn't matter as much as how many people switch votes on states that matter...

That said, I was reading just last night how much more complicated it has gotten for pollsters (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/06/us/politics/political-pollsters-struggle-to-get-the-right-cell-number.html?pagewanted=all) to actually get numbers these days.

Something to keep in mind for some guys that used to call a landslide victory! last time around only to look pretty silly afterwards...

[ElNono]

dp

[jack sommerset]

With the whole electoral college stuff, how many people switch votes doesn't matter as much as how many people switch votes on states that matter...

That said, I was reading just last night how much more complicated it has gotten for pollsters (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/06/us/politics/political-pollsters-struggle-to-get-the-right-cell-number.html?pagewanted=all) to actually get numbers these days.

Something to keep in mind for some guys that used to call a landslide victory! last time around only to look pretty silly afterwards...

I certainly will keep that in mind. That and the whole electoral college thing. God bless

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Hi jack.


God bless.

[AFBlue]

Maybe the shooter doesn't have any direct ties to a right wing group, but the shooting was more than likely fueled by the right's mission to demonize Islamic people.

Maybe I'm "politicizing" the shooting by saying that, but violence against Sikh people by morons who think they're Arabs has been a common occurence since 9/11. There's no way around that.

"the right's mission to demonize Islamic people"

I'd like to understand how you arrived at this.

[ElNono]

I certainly will keep that in mind. That and the whole electoral college thing. God bless

Don't recall you predicting a landslide victory for McCain, tbh... ron bless.

[ElNono]

"the right's mission to demonize Islamic people"

I'd like to understand how you arrived at this.

Here's a small sample from the locals:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45723

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

"the right's mission to demonize Islamic people"

I'd like to understand how you arrived at this.
Michelle Bachmann saying an innocent middle eastern American is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Before anyone says, "She's a crazy radical!" she at one point was winning the straw polls for the Republican primary. Her views are a lot more in line with mainstream Republican views than people care to admit.

[Yonivore]

Michelle Bachmann saying an innocent middle eastern American is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Before anyone says, "She's a crazy radical!" she at one point was winning the straw polls for the Republican primary. Her views are a lot more in line with mainstream Republican views than people care to admit.
The Muslim Public Affairs Council called a Press Conference in front of the RNC this morning to denounce Bachman and, apparently, the press said -- eh, nobody cares. They didn't bother to show.

Maybe you're exaggerating the story a bit.

[ChumpDumper]

I was wonder why you were all over the place today, more than usual that is. You are a few hundred post away from 70,000. Congratulations, brother. I know it's important to you so i will be sure to give you thumbs up when you hit that number! At this current rate you will be there before the end of the week. Thanks for the prays. God blessThis is deflection. I know avoiding your own problems is important to you -- just as following me around and keeping track of my posts is important to you, so we'll pretend you aren't in complete torment right now. but I will pray for you just the same.

Ron bless.

[jack sommerset]

This is deflection. I know avoiding your own problems is important to you -- just as following me around and keeping track of my posts is important to you, so we'll pretend you aren't in complete torment right now. but I will pray for you just the same.

Ron bless.

Brother, this is a conversation we have been having here and there for a year. You are hurting. Continue to pray. God bless

[boutons_deux]

A lot of the left-leaning pollsters have been over-sampling Democrats to keep Obama competitive or to show he's way out in front.

Somebody, I think it was Pew, did a D +19 poll in a state where Democrats had never outnumbered Republicans by more than 8% in any election.

I think some Obama fans are going to be in for a surprise.

:lol

538 Silver gives Gecko a 28% chance of winning

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

[Clipper Nation]

A lot of the left-leaning pollsters have been over-sampling Democrats to keep Obama competitive or to show he's way out in front.

Somebody, I think it was Pew, did a D +19 poll in a state where Democrats had never outnumbered Republicans by more than 8% in any election.

I think some Obama fans are going to be in for a surprise.
Or maybe people just don't like Willard.... Ron bless

[Spurminator]

Hey guys I've been out of the loop for a while, can someone link all of the stories from the Liberal Mainstream Media that pin this shooting on a Tea Party lunatic? Thanks in advance.

[TeyshaBlue]

Here's a small sample from the locals:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45723

Which has a value approaching zero.

[ElNono]

Which has a value approaching zero.

gee, thanks :lol

[Yonivore]

gee, thanks :lol
A...n...d, zero.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Hey guys I've been out of the loop for a while, can someone link all of the stories from the Liberal Mainstream Media that pin this shooting on a Tea Party lunatic? Thanks in advance.

[ElNono]

A...n...d, zero.

lots of posts in that thread from you... zero indeed.

[Yonivore]

lots of posts in that thread from you... zero indeed.
I agree. This place has no impact on the world.

[Wild Cobra]

Hey guys I've been out of the loop for a while, can someone link all of the stories from the Liberal Mainstream Media that pin this shooting on a Tea Party lunatic? Thanks in advance.
LOL...

I never thought of that.

I'll bet they are straining to do so, but I haven't noted any.

[LnGrrrR]

LOL...

I never thought of that.

I'll bet they are straining to do so, but I haven't noted any.

You know that post was made in order to poke fun at the OP?

[Spurminator]

:lol

[Spurminator]

You know that post was made in order to poke fun at the OP?

More poking fun at Yonivore, but I agree the prediction was off. Frankly, I agreed with the OP and thought there would be more latching on to some random MSNBC analyst comment about the shooter as proof of the liberal MSM's agenda against the Tea Party, but it looks like the biggest story here is that America doesn't really care that much when people get shot in a place of non-Christian worship.

[Wild Cobra]

You know that post was made in order to poke fun at the OP?
Sure. I agree that someone would tie it to the Tea Party or others if they could.
we all know that some lunatic on the left will make a comment trying to tie the alleged shooter to a tea party/ right wing group...

Do you disagree this could likely happen?

[Yonivore]

More poking fun at Yonivore, but I agree the prediction was off. Frankly, I agreed with the OP and thought there would be more latching on to some random MSNBC analyst comment about the shooter as proof of the liberal MSM's agenda against the Tea Party,...
Probably too soon after Brian Ross got slapped down for Googling the Aurora shooter's name and Tea Party.

Tell me, Spurminator; how would you describe the Tea Party?


...but it looks like the biggest story here is that America doesn't really care that much when people get shot in a place of non-Christian worship.
I don't see the coverage as being that different that the Aurora shooting.

[Spurminator]

Tell me, Spurminator; how would you describe the Tea Party?

I would describe the Tea Party as a bunch of Republicans who don't want to call themselves Republicans.

[Clipper Nation]

Tell me, Spurminator; how would you describe the Tea Party?

It started out as a donation drive for Ron Paul da gawd, then was hijacked by neocons and steered towards their usual redneck, evangelical, bigoted, warmongering agenda, tbh... :cry "But we're for microscopic tax decreases, that makes us different from the John McCains of the GOP!" :cry

Ron bless

[Wild Cobra]

I would describe the Tea Party as a bunch of Republicans who don't want to call themselves Republicans.
That is a part of the people who claim such a name. There are also democrats who no longer appreciate the democrat party. It's not just disenfranchised voters of the two major parties either.

[Yonivore]

WC was right, they have been straining to do so. The New York Times finally found the angle ... it's in the music. :lmao

Music Style Is Called Supremacist Recruiting Tool (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/us/hatecore-music-is-called-white-supremacist-recruiting-tool.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper)


But Mr. Burghart and other experts on racist ideology said the movement has grown disjointed in recent years, despite the recruiting opportunities presented by an economic recession and the election of a black president.

One reason for the disarray might be the growth of a more mainstream movement, the Tea Party, whose successful forays into electoral politics have siphoned energy and support from violent fringe groups, said Chip Berlet, a Boston-based journalist who writes about right-wing groups.
It's a squiggly line but they managed to draw it.