Worst religion

[Clipper Nation]

I still don't get how "atheism is a religion so there" is supposed to be a valid counterargument or an insult, tbh.... evangelicals don't realize that a.) they're wrong, and b.) atheists don't give a fuck about what evangelicals' flawed definition of "religion" is....

[Blake]

I've now concluded Yoni's intolerant religion is the worst.

Whatever religion that might be.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I still don't get how "atheism is a religion so there" is supposed to be a valid counterargument or an insult, tbh.... evangelicals don't realize that a.) they're wrong, and b.) atheists don't give a fuck about what evangelicals' flawed definition of "religion" is....
I think they're trying to convince themselves that the belief god doesn't exist is just as much faith-based as the belief that god does exist.

I also don't get how its supposed to be an insult either. They're basically saying, "Well, I know religion is stupid and irrational, but you're just as religious as I am! ha!"

[Yonivore]

So now only some atheists are in a religion, not all of them? Not only are you moving the goalposts, you're also contradicting yourself, as you began by claiming simply that atheism in and of itself is a religion and that all atheists should leave the US and start their own country....
Until you came along no one had lumped agnostics and the rest into atheism.

Whatever you want to call it; if, as an article of faith, you deny the existence of God, that's a religion.


Apparently not, as you want anyone who doesn't believe in a god to leave this country...
Again, not what I said. I suggested that if the freedom to express religion, enshrined in our Constitution, bother the atheists, they should consider starting their own country.

They're certainly free to stay and I never said I want them to leave because they don't believe in God. After all, that their expression of religion.

[Yonivore]

lol if you dont believe in something it's a religion. what a fucking moron
No, if you are identified by believing a deity does not exist, you're a religion.

[Yonivore]

i dont believe in santa. I must belong to the no-santa religion tbh
Santa's not a deity.

[Yonivore]

now atheists are free to stay in your God's country?
I've never said they weren't.


why are you so scared to answer my question as to which God you believe in? Are you ashamed of yourself for believing in fairy tales?
I've answered the question. I can't help that it doesn't satisfy you.

[Yonivore]

You can't disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster either, tbh.
Why would I want to do that?

[Yonivore]

Apparently, every definition of atheism and religion, besides Yonivore's, is wrong.
I get what you're saying and, yes, I was imprecise. Agnosticism and the rest that do not claim a deity but, stop short of saying there is no deity, are generally classified as atheists.

But, this construct didn't get raised until later in the thread, long after I stated that it was believing God doesn't exist that made atheism a religion. Not knowing whether or not there is a God, wasn't considered in my posts and yes, that is a irreligious position to hold.

So, let me rephrase; the atheists who hold the belief that God does not exist constitutes a religion.

[Yonivore]

Atheists who claim to know that God doesn't exist aren't part of a religion either.
Sure they are.


Are you trying to say that anyone that makes a guess at something is part of a religion? :lol
No, I'm saying if anyone claims, as an article of faith, there is or isn't a deity, is part of a religion.

[Yonivore]

I've now concluded Yoni's intolerant religion is the worst.

Whatever religion that might be.
What's intolerant about my religion, whatever it is?

[Yonivore]

I think they're trying to convince themselves that the belief god doesn't exist is just as much faith-based as the belief that god does exist.
It is; couldn't have put it better myself.


I also don't get how its supposed to be an insult either. They're basically saying, "Well, I know religion is stupid and irrational, but you're just as religious as I am! ha!"
It wasn't meant to be an insult and your characterization is wrong.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So, let me rephrase; the atheists who hold the belief that God does not exist constitutes a religion.
Anyone who believes the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist also constitutes a religion in your book.

Here comes some kind of comeback about how you don't believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist.

[Yonivore]

Anyone who believes the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist also constitutes a religion in your book.
If the person proposes a positive disbelief rather than mere suspension of belief, in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, absolutely.

Personally, I have no position on the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. With God, anything's possible.


Here comes some kind of comeback about how you don't believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist.
I guess you could say that is what I did but, are there people who seriously believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a deity?

[LnGrrrR]

No, I'm saying if anyone claims, as an article of faith, there is or isn't a deity, is part of a religion.

So... going back to that three headed centipede deity living in your crotch... can you definitely prove he doesn't exist? Or are you just saying so as an article of faith?

[LnGrrrR]

If the person proposes a positive disbelief rather than mere suspension of belief, in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, absolutely.

Personally, I have no position on the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. With God, anything's possible.

Seems like a foolish way to live. By your logic, you can't admit that the three headed centipede scrotum deity doesn't exist, because then you'd be a member of a Non-Centipedism religion. You have to allow for the possibility of a three-headed centipede scrotum deity. How dumb is that?


I guess you could say that is what I did but, are there people who seriously believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a deity?

Of course not, but that doesn't matter for the purposes of the discussion. It's an obvious hypothetical.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If the person proposes a positive disbelief rather than mere suspension of belief, in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, absolutely.

Personally, I have no position on the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. With God, anything's possible.


I guess you could say that is what I did but, are there people who seriously believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a deity?
It's amazing the stupid stuff people will say to suit their argument

:lol pretending you don't have a positive disbelief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I guess you could say that is what I did but, are there people who seriously believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a deity?

The fact that no one believes in the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't make a disbelief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster any less of a religion according to your definition.

Unless of course you're about to add an aditional qualification to what religion is.

[Blake]

I've never said they weren't.

True. You just think they should leave.



I've answered the question. I can't help that it doesn't satisfy you.

I've asked twice if the god of the bible is the one you believe in.

I'll ask a third time: is it?

I'm betting you'll pussy out again. Jesus will be ashamed.

[Blake]

What's intolerant about my religion, whatever it is?

You think atheists should start their own country.

You are obviously very intolerant of this ”religion”.

[SnakeBoy]

You athiest's can stop talking shit now. Jesus revealed himself wednesday so the debate is over.

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[Avante]

What does anyone gain by being an atheist?

[SnakeBoy]

What does anyone gain by being an atheist?

I don't know but they do always get to eat the whole tortilla.

[LnGrrrR]

What does anyone gain by being an atheist?

If you're joining a religion for the benefits, I think you're joining for the wrong reasons.

Also, you're using Pascal's Wager, which is a logical fallacy. You guys really need to study up on those.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I get what you're saying and, yes, I was imprecise. Agnosticism and the rest that do not claim a deity but, stop short of saying there is no deity, are generally classified as atheists.

But, this construct didn't get raised until later in the thread, long after I stated that it was believing God doesn't exist that made atheism a religion. Not knowing whether or not there is a God, wasn't considered in my posts and yes, that is a irreligious position to hold.

So, let me rephrase; the atheists who hold the belief that God does not exist constitutes a religion.

Umm no again you fail in understanding the english language for the purposes of making a circular argument.

Lets break the word atheism down into its parts. First lets look at 'theism:'

the·ism (thzm)
n.
Belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in a personal God as creator and ruler of the world.


Now lets look at the prefix 'a:'

Prefix Dictionary – A

a- or an- [Greek a- and an- un-, non-] Negative, not (abiotic, acaulescent, acephalia, aphasia, asexual, atrophy, anorexia). Note: a- is used before consonants other than h (and sometimes even before h); before vowels, and usually before h, an- is used.

Now lets put the two together

NOT Belief in the existence of a god or gods.

You are trying to build assert a positive, ie what they do believe, from them denying a belief.

If I say something is not a man that does not mean automatically that they are a woman.

atheism just menas you do not believe in god. nothing more and nothing less. quit trying to add shit to the definition so you can demonize. your religion has enough about devils and hellfire as it is.

[Avante]

If you're joining a religion for the benefits, I think you're joining for the wrong reasons.

Also, you're using Pascal's Wager, which is a logical fallacy. You guys really need to study up on those.

I don't belong to any religion.

[Clipper Nation]

What does anyone gain by being an atheist?
What does anyone gain by being religious? Religion certainly doesn't ward off disappointment, illness, death, injustice, or financial loss, tbh....

[Avante]

What does anyone gain by being religious? Religion certainly doesn't ward off disappointment, illness, death, injustice, or financial loss, tbh....

You must not know anyone into religion. You honestly believe that silliness?

[Avante]

During the past 30 years or so, a slew of studies have suggested that religious people tend to be happier and healthier, on average, than those who describe themselves as non-religious.
In fact, some research has found that people who regularly attend religious services can expect to live an average of seven years longer than their peers who never step inside a church, synagogue or mosque.
For years these kinds of studies have been construed as bad news for the 15 percent of Americans who cite “none” as their religious affiliation. But, as Sandra Upson points out in an article (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=healthy-skepticism&offset=2) this month in Scientific American Mind (http://www.scientificamerican.com/sciammind/), non-religious individuals and atheists (for they are not necessarily the same) needn’t worry.
New research has found “that the positive effects of religion depend enormously on where you live,” writes Upson. “Religious people may be happier than their godless counterparts, but only if the society they belong to values religion highly, which not all societies do.”

[CuckingFunt]

During the past 30 years or so, a slew of studies have suggested that religious people tend to be happier and healthier, on average, than those who describe themselves as non-religious.
In fact, some research has found that people who regularly attend religious services can expect to live an average of seven years longer than their peers who never step inside a church, synagogue or mosque.
For years these kinds of studies have been construed as bad news for the 15 percent of Americans who cite “none” as their religious affiliation. But, as Sandra Upson points out in an article (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=healthy-skepticism&offset=2) this month in Scientific American Mind (http://www.scientificamerican.com/sciammind/), non-religious individuals and atheists (for they are not necessarily the same) needn’t worry.
New research has found “that the positive effects of religion depend enormously on where you live,” writes Upson. “Religious people may be happier than their godless counterparts, but only if the society they belong to values religion highly, which not all societies do.”

Mmmmm, copypasta.

http://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/04/are-religious-people-happier-atheists

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wherever you got that shit from is some shady bullshit. Your blurb claims these studies exist. Then it cites sciam which is one of the more renowned scientific publications out there.

Problem is that the blog entry is not a study nor cites one and it doesn't even conclude that religious people are happier. It says it depends on who you ask.

Those are some slimy tactics.

Oh bytw I was wondering when you get pinked does the "NEW THREAD" button get greyed out or do they put a special message up for you?

[Avante]

Wherever you got that shit from is some shady bullshit. Your blurb claims these studies exist. Then it cites sciam which is one of the more renowned scientific publications out there.

Problem is that the blog entry is not a study nor cites one and it doesn't even conclude that religious people are happier. It says it depends on who you ask.

Those are some slimy tactics.

Oh bytw I was wondering when you get pinked does the "NEW THREAD" button get greyed out or do they put a special message up for you?

I've thought about giving up posting threads and start getting more involved in others threads for awhile now. So a blessing in disguise as far as the pink thing goes. Not worried about it at all. I haven't ried to post a thread obviously.

There are tons and tons of similiar stuff out there. That be happy believe in God, be unhappy be an atheist.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Apparently there is a Columbia study. Found it and here is the portion relating to religion:


Religion
Some 68% of adults in the world say that “religion is important in their daily lives.”85 Yet our understanding of its effects on human happiness is limited. The Gallup World Poll data reported in Chapter 2 provide a starting point.86 They show that religious belief and practice is more common in countries there life is harder (less income, life expectancy, education and personal safety). They also show that in the U.S. religious belief is higher in those states where life is harder. After controlling crudely for those factors, there is no difference in life satisfaction between more and less religious countries. There is however a clear difference when comparing the emotional life of more and less religious regions. In particular, in those countries where life is
tough, there is strikingly more positive emotion and less negative emotion among those people who are more religious. Where life is easier, there is no such difference in this study.
72

It is interesting to understand what aspects of religion produce the positive effects on happiness. Clearly religion has both social aspects (especially through attending places of worship) but also deeply personal aspects (as
connected for example with private prayer). In the Gallup World Poll people are asked about the importance of religion in their daily lives and also about whether they “have attended a place of worship or religious service within the last seven days?” (roughly half of the world’s population had done this). Though these variables are not perfectly correlated they both have similar explanatory power.87

It is therefore natural that, when further questions are examined, they confirm that religion can help in hard circumstances both by providing more “relatives or friends you can count on,” and more feelings of being respected, and more feeling that “your life has an important purpose or meaning.”88

Most of the results we have considered above are based on inter-country comparisons. When it comes to comparisons between individuals there is always the problem that people who are naturally happier in given circumstances are more willing to believe that there is a benevolent deity. However studies of individuals do largely agree with the preceding inter-country findings. Meta-analysis concludes that greater religiosity is
mildly associated with fewer depressive symptoms89 and 75% of studies find at least some positive effect of religion on well-being.90 This effect is particularly prevalent in high-loss situations, such as bereavement, and
weaker in low-loss situations, such as job loss or marital problems. Thus religion can reduce the well-being consequences of stressful events, via its stress-buffering role.91

A recent large study of individuals in the European Social Survey found small but statistically significant effects on life satisfaction of “ever attending religious services” and “ever praying.”92 And interestingly the religiosity of others in the region was also found to have positive benefits both on those who are religious and on those who are not. This confirms findings from cross-country analysis of the Gallup World Poll that weekly church attendance has positive spillovers on the well-being of others at the national level.93

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've thought about giving up posting threads and start getting more involved in others threads for awhile now. So a blessing in disguise as far as the pink thing goes. Not worried about it at all. I haven't ried to post a thread obviously.

There are tons and tons of similiar stuff out there. That be happy believe in God, be unhappy be an atheist.

Ahh the "its not a punishment because this is what I really wanted" rationalization.

As that study indicated its not understood very well.

They show correlations but they show much stronger correlations to social interaction and economic well being. Have any studies that control for those?

[LnGrrrR]

There are tons and tons of similiar stuff out there. That be happy believe in God, be unhappy be an atheist.

To be honest, "happiness" is not the end-all, be-all. That's why novels like Brave New World are not happy children books.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The Gallup World Poll data reported in Chapter 2 provide a starting point.86 They show that religious belief and practice is more common in countries there life is harder (less income, life expectancy, education and personal safety). They also show that in the U.S. religious belief is higher in those states where life is harder.

http://www.earth.columbia.edu/sitefiles/file/Sachs%20Writing/2012/World%20Happiness%20Report.pdf

[Avante]

Ahh the "its not a punishment because this is what I really wanted" rationalization.

As that study indicated its not understood very well.

They show correlations but they show much stronger correlations to social interaction and economic well being. Have any studies that control for those?

I did nothing to be punished for. But it's all good, no problem.

You will not find any studies that tell us it's better off to be an atheist. None!

[LnGrrrR]

You will not find any studies that tell us it's better off to be an atheist. None!

I don't see your point. So what if you're not better off being an atheist. Does that mean I should just hop on a religious bandwagon at random and fake it til I make it?

There's no studies that being a Cleveland Browns fan is better off than being a fan of any other NFL team, but yet, people still buy tickets.

[velik_m]

There are tons and tons of similiar stuff out there. That be happy believe in God, be unhappy be an atheist.

Or put another way: ignorance is bliss.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I did nothing to be punished for. But it's all good, no problem.

You will not find any studies that tell us it's better off to be an atheist. None!

Oh I see. You have been maligned and unfairly treated.

And I just showed you a study that religious belief was inversely proportional to stuff like income, life expectancy, education and personal safety.

It's really not that hard to figure out. Let's take a very secular country such as France, Germany or Britain and compare that with those less secular like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen, Afghanistan, United Arab Emirates, Pakistian, Malaysia, or Mauritania.

Hmmmm.

[Avante]

To be honest, "happiness" is not the end-all, be-all. That's why novels like Brave New World are not happy children books.

Who said it was? I'm saying what does anyone gain by being an atheist? Well?

[Avante]

Oh I see. You have been maligned and unfairly treated.

And I just showed you a study that religious belief was inversely proportional to stuff like income, life expectancy, education and personal safety.

It's really not that hard to figure out. Let's take a very secular country such as France, Germany or Britain and compare that with those less secular like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen, Afghanistan, United Arab Emirates, Pakistian, Malaysia, or Mauritania.

Hmmmm.

So you are trying to tell me it's better to not have a God in your life? That being an atheist is the way to go?

[Avante]

Or put another way: ignorance is bliss.

I wouldn't say that atheists were ignorant, it's more like stubborn.

[LnGrrrR]

Who said it was? I'm saying what does anyone gain by being an atheist? Well?

Nothing? Self-honesty? Ask a sensible question and you'll get a sensible answer. I am an atheist because I am. *shrug* Why not ask what one gains from following a basketball team, or what one gains from choosing to eat a sandwich instead of a pizza, or some other inanity?

[LnGrrrR]

So you are trying to tell me it's better to not have a God in your life? That being an atheist is the way to go?

You know, being an atheist is not like buying a car. I'm an atheist because I don't have any belief. If tomorrow I woke up, and I was convinced somehow to believe in God/s, I wouldn't be an atheist.

It's a part of who I am, my personality, how I self-identify. Being an atheist is part of me in the same way that being a geek is part of me. I didn't choose to become a geek, it just happened that way.

[Avante]

I don't see your point. So what if you're not better off being an atheist. Does that mean I should just hop on a religious bandwagon at random and fake it til I make it?

There's no studies that being a Cleveland Browns fan is better off than being a fan of any other NFL team, but yet, people still buy tickets.

No, you look at those around you who are into religion and do believe in a God and notice how they are far more content than you are. Then you do some serious soul seraching.

Trust me, it's far better being the fan of a great team...Niners/Steelers/Cowboys/Patriots/Packers than it is being a fan of Lions/Seahawks/Vikings/Browns/Cardinals.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So you are trying to tell me it's better to not have a God in your life? That being an atheist is the way to go?

Who said anything about better? That's your choice and I have zero desire to speak for you.

All I am saying is that countries that have less religion have more income, life expectancy, education and personal safety.

If believing in obvious fabrications makes you feel better about yourself then have at it. The truth no matter how repugnant is still the truth.

[Avante]

Nothing? Self-honesty? Ask a sensible question and you'll get a sensible answer. I am an atheist because I am. *shrug* Why not ask what one gains from following a basketball team, or what one gains from choosing to eat a sandwich instead of a pizza, or some other inanity?

Hey, if you are happy being an atheist more power to you. I don't care.

[LnGrrrR]

No, you look at those around you who are into religion and do believe in a God and notice how they are far more content than you are. Then you do some serious soul seraching.

Funny, you'd think you'd learn the same lesson. Tons of ST posters, and yet, the majority don't get pinked. You'd think you'd learn from that.

Re: soul searching, I'm pretty certain I've read more about religion than the majority of religious people that post on these boards.


Trust me, it's far better being the fan of a great team...Niners/Steelers/Cowboys/Patriots/Packers than it is being a fan of Lions/Seahawks/Vikings/Browns/Cardinals.

Of course. But if you are a fan of the Lions/Seahawks/etc, are you just going to jump ship to another franchise?

Oh, and you wouldn't have said that about the Patriots before the year 2000, to be quite frank.

[Avante]

Who said anything about better? That's your choice and I have zero desire to speak for you.

All I am saying is that countries that have less religion have more income, life expectancy, education and personal safety.

If believing in obvious fabrications makes you feel better about yourself then have at it. The truth no matter how repugnant is still the truth.

I couldn't care less if you talk to me or not. You came to me, right?

If you have some need to live in a fantasy world go for it. I don't give a shit. So you can prove these obvious fabrications, right?

[LnGrrrR]

Hey, if you are happy being an atheist more power to you. I don't care.

For someone who doesn't care, you sure ask a lot of questions. Again, it's not about being "happy".

Personally, I'd love to believe that Heaven was real. Heaven, for the most part, rocks. (The eternity thing might be a little boring...) But just because it sounds awesome doesn't make it real. I can't force myself to believe it's real just to make me happy.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's like judging which religion to follow based on the supposed rewards/punishments.

Virgins, bliss, torment, despair, sublimation, planets, enlightenment, peace, better rebirth, etc.

I do not believe in religion because I have no reason to believe in religion. Give me a reason to believe other than sticks and carrots and that will change.

[Avante]

Funny, you'd think you'd learn the same lesson. Tons of ST posters, and yet, the majority don't get pinked. You'd think you'd learn from that.

Re: soul searching, I'm pretty certain I've read more about religion than the majority of religious people that post on these boards.



Of course. But if you are a fan of the Lions/Seahawks/etc, are you just going to jump ship to another franchise?

Oh, and you wouldn't have said that about the Patriots before the year 2000, to be quite frank.

I was asking for it so I got it, no big deal at all. Cool the videos, a few less threads, no problem. Blend in instead of stand out, E-Z.

Hey if you're happy with no God or hope in your life, go for it. If while laying on your death bed nobody is praying for you, whatever man.

[Avante]

For someone who doesn't care, you sure ask a lot of questions. Again, it's not about being "happy".

Personally, I'd love to believe that Heaven was real. Heaven, for the most part, rocks. (The eternity thing might be a little boring...) But just because it sounds awesome doesn't make it real. I can't force myself to believe it's real just to make me happy.

Whatever you say.

[Avante]

That's like judging which religion to follow based on the supposed rewards/punishments.

Virgins, bliss, torment, despair, sublimation, planets, enlightenment, peace, better rebirth, etc.

I do not believe in religion because I have no reason to believe in religion. Give me a reason to believe other than sticks and carrots and that will change.

Believe what you like, no problem.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hey if you're happy with no God or hope in your life, go for it. If while laying on your death bed nobody is praying for you, whatever man.

If the only reason you have people by your side as you are dying is because of religious belief that says everything about you and nothing about the existence of a deity.

[LnGrrrR]

Hey if you're happy with no God or hope in your life, go for it. If while laying on your death bed nobody is praying for you, whatever man.

I don't see why I would need someone to pray for me, but they might choose to anyways. I'm not going to tell them not to, if it makes them feel better. My wife is a Catholic, after all. :lol

[LnGrrrR]

Whatever you say.

Are you aware you come off as rather passive-aggressive?

[SnakeBoy]

I don't see why I would need someone to pray for me, but they might choose to anyways. I'm not going to tell them not to, if it makes them feel better. My wife is a Catholic, after all. :lol

At least you are represented...that might get you through the gates.

[Avante]

If the only reason you have people by your side as you are dying is because of religious belief that says everything about you and nothing about the existence of a deity.

You are totally missing the point.

People prefer to think there is a better place than this, they want to think this isn't all there is. Hope and faith are very important to a lot of people, billions actually, to play this.."there is no God, I can't see Him"...hey, if that's where you're at, cool~~~~~

Look man I've seen these discussions enought to know nobody ever does anything, they just go around in circles. I prefer to believe in God, ya see it makes me feel better and yes happy. If you don't need that, no problem, ok?

[Avante]

Are you aware you come off as rather passive-aggressive?

Tell me what can I or anyone say to get you to change your mind about anything, let me guess...there isn't anything anyone can say...right? So why do I need to do anything but.....do your thing man..? Try, commoin sense.

[LnGrrrR]

You are totally missing the point.

People prefer to think there is a better place than this, they want to think this isn't all there is. Hope and faith are very important to a lot of people, billions actually, to play this.."there is no God, I can't see Him"...hey, if that's where you're at, cool~~~~~

Look man I've seen these discussions enought to know nobody ever does anything, they just go around in circles. I prefer to believe in God, ya see it makes me feel better and yes happy. If you don't need that, no problem, ok?

I tend to look at my atheism in a positive light. As cliche as it is, I try to make sure I experience each day, that I make sure to tell my loved ones that I love them, to take pleasure in simple things, etc etc because I don't think I"ll have an eternity to ponder/live.

[LnGrrrR]

Tell me what can I or anyone say to get you to change your mind about anything, let me guess...there isn't anything anyone can say...right? So why do I need to do anything but.....do your thing man..? Try, commoin sense.

I assume that if God wanted to convert me, he'd know what it would take to convert me. :)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are totally missing the point.

People prefer to think there is a better place than this, they want to think this isn't all there is. Hope and faith are very important to a lot of people, billions actually, to play this.."there is no God, I can't see Him"...hey, if that's where you're at, cool~~~~~

Look man I've seen these discussions enought to know nobody ever does anything, they just go around in circles. I prefer to believe in God, ya see it makes me feel better and yes happy. If you don't need that, no problem, ok?

Then why did you threaten me with having no hope and being alone when I die?

[LnGrrrR]

Hey Avante, tell us how you really feel?


I don't and never have. I look at druggies, atheists, smokers with disgust. They made those choices, fat people usually can't help it. Even if they can they aren't doing anything disgusting.

:lmao

[Avante]

I tend to look at my atheism in a positive light. As cliche as it is, I try to make sure I experience each day, that I make sure to tell my loved ones that I love them, to take pleasure in simple things, etc etc because I don't think I"ll have an eternity to ponder/live.

So your children are atheists also?

[Avante]

Then why did you threaten me with having no hope and being alone when I die?

I just know a lot of peole who once they found God everything in their life changed for the better.

You gain absolutely nothing by ...you can't fool me...nothing!

[Avante]

Hey Avante, tell us how you really feel?



:lmao

More pity than disgust for the atheists.

[LnGrrrR]

So your children are atheists also?

Consdering my children aren't old enough to understand religion, I'd have to say yes, at the moment. When they get older they may choose to be religious; it's their call.

[LnGrrrR]

More pity than disgust for the atheists.

I feel pity for those who feel they need a magic being in their lives in order to feel good about themselves. *shrug* To each their own.

[Avante]

I feel pity for those who feel they need a magic being in their lives in order to feel good about themselves. *shrug* To each their own.

I can see why you're an atheist if that's what you believe. No need to try and set you straight.

Done with you~~~~~~~~~

[LnGrrrR]

I can see why you're an atheist if that's what you believe. No need to try and set you straight.

Done with you~~~~~~~~~

You yourself said some people only felt better once God entered their lives. I feel bad for people who don't have any self-worth, and only gain it once they feel someone is watching over them and guiding their path. I couldn't imagine living life feeling like I wasn't responsible for my own actions, or trying to rationalize everything as some sort of plan.

[AussieFanKurt]

I feel pity for those who feel they need a magic being in their lives in order to feel good about themselves. *shrug* To each their own.

I have to agree with this. I'm without religion and god and am bloody happy in life. I think people either think they need god to be happy or are scared into the fact if they don't believe they will be punished

[Clipper Nation]

So basically Avante is the worst kind of evangelical that thinks he can "convert" atheists, par for the course tbh....

[Blake]

What does anyone gain by being an atheist?

they save money.

[Blake]

So you are trying to tell me it's better to not have a God in your life? That being an atheist is the way to go?

What kind of god is in your life and why is that god the way to go?

[AussieFanKurt]

they save money.

and time

[clambake]

So your children are atheists also?

all children are atheist........until they're indoctrinated.

[Blake]

Yoni, what religion do you subscribe to?

4th time.

[Blake]

Yoni, what religion do you subscribe to?

4th time.

[clambake]

Yoni, what religion do you subscribe to?

4th time.

he subscribes to the one he was indoctrinated into.......by humans.

[Homeland Security]

National religion is really good because then you can claim that doing whatever increases your power is God's will.

[Homeland Security]

So the worst religion would be dissent against that.

[Blake]

Yoni, what religion do you subscribe to?

4th time.

[Wild Cobra]

I personally think the worse religion is the dogma of AGW.

[Blake]

Yoni, what religion do you subscribe to?

6th time.

[Spurminator]

My vote is he's a Massive Voter Fraudist.

[AussieFanKurt]

Sorry Blake, he won't respond :(

[Yonivore]

Sorry Blake, he won't respond :(
He has responded, twice.

[Blake]

He has responded, twice.

you're a liar and/or a weak pussy.

[Clipper Nation]

He has responded, twice.
By dodging his question numerous times... son, you're just too ashamed to admit your mancrush on the invisible sky fairy and his illegitimate child, tbh.....

[4down]

Probably best to not worry about which is the worst religion and just focus on which is the best.

Which is obviously the church of Manu.

Pop 3:17 - and he saith unto the twelve: "get over thyself, and be like unto this man, yea even the stud of the world"