Amazing Kobe stats (well, not really...)

[BigTex342006]

Kobe has one of the highest user rates in history, not surprisingly as we all know he likes the ball in his hands.....and we know he isn't afraid to take shots... but has his attempts effected the Lakers ability to win games??
(basketballreference.com)
Kobe has shot 30 or more times in a game 118 times. Lakers won 51 times for a winning percentage of 43.2%
Kobe shot 25 or more times in a game 356 times. Lakers won 193 of those games for a winning percentage of 54.2%.
Kobe shot 20 or LESS times in a game 752 times. Lakers won 540 of those games for a winning percentage of 71.8%
Kobe shot 15 or LESS times in a game 378 times. Lakers won 274 of those games for a winning percentage of 72.5%
**What is truly amazing about the first two stats (30,25) is that the Lakers while Kobe has been on the team have won almost 66% of the time. Basically you have to gather that when Kobe defer's and plays team basketball, the Lakers are very hard to beat. When he dominates the ball and shots, the Lakers are not only mediocre, but downright crappy.
Last year Kobe shot the most shots per game since 06. This year with Nash (and of course Gasol and Bynum - maybe) it is interesting to see if he will allow his shots to go down, deferring to this very talented team-mates.
Opinions/ Comments??

[pass1st]

I'm more interested in the ratio of GNSF posts about Kobe to Duncan

[Killakobe81]

5 new Kobe threads when he is a TOSB and also a pretty much a non factor on Team USA ... the obsession with this guy is pretty crazy. His prime was over two season ago. Sure he is still a top 10 all-time player and maybe still one in today's game but not deserving of this much attention. It's Lebron's and to a lessor degree Durant's world now.

[monosylab1k]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most of those 15 shots or less games came during blowouts, where Kobe sat most of the 4th quarter, thus lowering his shot total. So clearly they would win most of those games.

I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that most games where Kobe shoots 25+ are tightly contested games against equal opponents, where your best player is expected to take alot of shots, and where you're probably only going to win half the time.

[pass1st]

Tbh, I don't get why Kobe stays so popular with so many other noteworthy players out there now. Lebron should be the most popular player in the world, but Kobe's overseas fans probably rival Yao's peek fame in China.

Even a lot of spurfans, Rivals of the Lakers and should detest the guy, can't stop talking about him :lol

[BigTex342006]

127 of them were 35 minutes or more - for a record of 86-41 (67.8%)

251 of them were 34 minutes or less - for a record of 188-63 (74.9%)

182 of them were less than 30 minutes - for a record of 137-45 (75.3%)

...no bias here....just posting interesting stats. Make of them what you will...

[TheNextGen]

You guys just pissed pass1st off. Enough Kobe bashing.

[pass1st]

I didn't even read OP, tbh. I just find it funny how GNSF post about Kobe more than Duncan in many cases.

I'm not a Kobe fan, made that clear. He's inefficient and has been out of it since 10/11

[Killakobe81]

Tbh, I don't get why Kobe stays so popular with so many other noteworthy players out there now. Lebron should be the most popular player in the world, but Kobe's overseas fans probably rival Yao's peek fame in China.

Even a lot of spurfans, Rivals of the Lakers and should detest the guy, can't stop talking about him :lol

I get why Spur fans hate him or even other fanbases ... he is one arrogant prick, who has delivered many daggers while being an asshole. But why keep bringing him up? Even by bashing him you give him relevancy. IF anyone is deserving of a sticky thread or weekly threads in the NBA right now it's James, not Kobe. I did think the leopard print phone stuff was funny but the Kobe stuff is beaten to death and even I see no point in defending him. You cant really argue his legacy except with contemporaries (Duncan, Dirk, Nash, KG, Pierce) since he is not retired yet. When I joined here he was still arguably the best player in the game ...now he is not. And hasnt been for at LEAST 3 years. Even the most ardent Kobe fans have to admit that. Every year he should be LESS relevant not more, and he will need even MORE help to win #6.

Im a Kobe fan, but a Laker fan first and you just have to be honest Kobe maybe a bigger global star than anyone today but his game is no longer deserving of that status, and the number of Kobe-centric posts/threads here should reflect that.

[pass1st]

I get why Spur fans hate him or even other fanbases ... he is one arrogant prick, who has delivered many daggers while being an asshole. But why keep bringing him up? Even by bashing him you give him relevancy. IF anyone is deserving of a sticky thread or weekly threads in the NBA right now it's James, not Kobe. I did think the leopard print phone stuff was funny but the Kobe stuff is beaten to death and even I see no point in defending him. You cant really argue his legacy except with contemporaries (Duncan, Dirk, Nash, KG, Pierce) since he is not retired yet. When I joined here he was still arguably the best player in the game ...now he is not. And hasnt been for at LEAST 3 years. Even the most ardent Kobe fans have to admit that. Every year he should be LESS relevant not more, and he will need even MORE help to win #6.

Im a Kobe fan, but a Laker fan first and you just have to be honest Kobe maybe a bigger global star than anyone today but his game is no longer deserving of that status, and the number of Kobe-centric posts/threads here should reflect that.

Real talk, tbh. I don't care if people talk shit about Kobe because he deserves most of it, but the amount of attention given to him compared to players like Lebron is just baffling.

[Killakobe81]

But by all means keep posting them if you wish. But most of the fan that care are gone: Allanon, Luva, Cully really only Cobbler and Kool CARE that much.

I would gladly argue at some point Kobe vs. duncan vs. KG etc. and some day Kobe vs. Magic vs. Bird.

But Kobe currently is arguably not even a top 5 player on this Olympic team.

[ElNono]

Let's not pretend Lebron didn't get this much attention when he was a choking hazard, tbh...

[Clipper Nation]

5 new Kobe threads when he is a TOSB and also a pretty much a non factor on Team USA ... the obsession with this guy is pretty crazy.
It's just backlash against the Kobrick stans who spent years outlandishly hyping him up as "better than Jordan" when he's really just a selfish ball-stopping Jordan imitator, tbh....

[pass1st]

Let's not pretend Lebron didn't get this much attention when he was a choking hazard, tbh...

Tbh, it was mostly a 15 seconds of fame kind of thing. Few threads when he misses a winner or defers. Kobe can sit on his ass, watch keeping up with the Kardashians while Vanessa moves around the money in his bank account and a Kobe thread will be made.

I just dunno why non-kobe fans are more obsessed than the kobe & laker fans

[Clipper Nation]

Sure he is still a top 10 all-time player
In no particular order except the first...

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Russell
Kareem
Shaq
Wilt
Duncan
Oscar
LeClutch, aka Ring James
Hakeem
Jerry West
Karl Malone
Stockton
Pippen
Barkley

I'd take ANY of those cats over Kobrick in a second.....

[ElNono]

Tbh, it was mostly a 15 seconds of fame kind of thing. Few threads when he misses a winner or defers. Kobe can sit on his ass, watch keeping up with the Kardashians while Vanessa moves around the money in his bank account and a Kobe thread will be made.

I just dunno why non-kobe fans are more obsessed than the kobe & laker fans

Kobe is just a much easier target because he has provided much more ammo: raped, snitched, diamonds, churches, etc. kobe-fan gets severely butthurt when those are brought up.

Lebron has the receding hairline thing going, but after winning the ship being the top guy on his team, he just killed a lot of material: not1not2not3, choker, delegating, etc.

[Killakobe81]

Let's not pretend Lebron didn't get this much attention when he was a choking hazard, tbh...

But that WAS a story. The best player in the game was failing to close. Was is it a shock that Kobe choked a game against the Thunder or that the Lakers did not win? OKC had the best player, better coach and team. antNot once (except the game Kobe choked away) did I feel like the Lakers were the better team. Durant was the best player in that series and Westbrook was second or close to it.

For me it's kind of like the love for Peyton Manning(and some of the hate). Both have great regular season numbers, great fundamentals and are driven students of the game. Both hit their peaks about 3 years ago and have been up and down in the clutch, even when in their primes. Manning was injured last year Kobe spent his chucking for a pseudo title contender. Neither are relevant for a title right now but still generate way too much buzz ... neither are deserving of that anymore since neither are top 5 players ...

Lebron was deserving of those stories, and he is deserving of even more now both good and bad.

[ElNono]

But that WAS a story. The best player in the game was failing to close. Was is it a shock that Kobe choked a game against the Thunder or that the Lakers did not win? OKC had the best player, better coach and team. antNot once (except the game Kobe choked away) did I feel like the Lakers were the better team. Durant was the best player in that series and Westbrook was second or close to it.

Sorry Killa, but true kobefan would NEVER willingly hand over the "best player in the game" to Lebron prior to him winning the ship & mvp. These are things we know.


Lebron was deserving of those stories, and he is deserving of even more now both good and bad.

And he'll get them. I'm sure if he would be stinking at the Olympics, he'll get axed to the ground. He's just the team leader right now (along with KD) and it shows.

Plus, as I said, he's just less vulnerable. Kirby caught pants down with a couple of hoes is big drama, for obvious reasons. Lebron in the same situation isn't news.

[pass1st]

Kobe is just a much easier target because he has provided much more ammo: raped, snitched, diamonds, churches, etc. kobe-fan gets severely butthurt when those are brought up.

Lebron has the receding hairline thing going, but after winning the ship being the top guy on his team, he just killed a lot of material: not1not2not3, choker, delegating, etc.

There are no more Kobe-fans left here, besides that one stat-fan that is obsessed with Duncan.

[Clipper Nation]

Sorry Killa, but true kobefan would NEVER willingly hand over the "best player in the game" to Lebron prior to him winning the ship & mvp. These are things we know.
A lot of Kobrick stans STILL won't do it.... Too fixated on ring count instead of context, too delusional to realize that Ring James has already surpassed all of Kobrick's second-banana-at-best titles...

[Killakobe81]

In no particular order except the first...

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Russell
Kareem
Shaq
Wilt
Duncan
Oscar
LeClutch, aka Ring James
Hakeem
Jerry West
Karl Malone :lol
Stockton :lol
Pippen :rollin
Barkley :lol

I'd take ANY of those cats over Kobrick in a second.....

The rest are worthy debates but again I wont delve in to that here because I would be doing the same thing Im crticizing others for. What is the last relevant thing that Kobe has done basketball wise that has been news worthy? He shot more shots and still lost the scoring title to KD. sure at his age the scoring totals were good, but his FG% suffered for it. Other than that he said his squad led by James could win at least ONE game against the Dream Team.

Nothing else I have read on here is thread worthy about Kobe at this point except that funny image of him with that Kardashian like Iphone case ...

[Killakobe81]

Sorry Killa, but true kobefan would NEVER willingly hand over the "best player in the game" to Lebron prior to him winning the ship & mvp. These are things we know.


And he'll get them. I'm sure if he would be stinking at the Olympics, he'll get axed to the ground. He's just the team leader right now (along with KD) and it shows.

Plus, as I said, he's just less vulnerable. Kirby caught pants down with a couple of hoes is big drama, for obvious reasons. Lebron in the same situation isn't news.

I'm no true Kobe fan, but that part I agree with. Felt the same about MJ. The torch is not yours until you ring. But with both MJ and Lebron (and Kobe to a lessor degree) most people knew it was only a matter of time, before they rung. To be honest I still elieve Lebron has a chance to pass them both. Some already believe he has Kobe especially and not just silly Clipper fan ...

[ElNono]

There are no more Kobe-fans left here, besides that one stat-fan that is obsessed with Duncan.

Oh, but they'll be back when real basketball starts again to remind us Kirby has to take 40 shots because Pau and Bynum suck, despite shooting 50%+ from the field. :lol


I'm no true Kobe fan, but that part I agree with. Felt the same about MJ. The torch is not yours until you ring. But with both MJ and Lebron (and Kobe to a lessor degree) most people knew it was only a matter of time, before they rung. To be honest I still elieve Lebron has a chance to pass them both. Some already believe he has Kobe especially and not just silly Clipper fan ...

I know Killa, we agree a lot of times and you're definitely not a kobe lovefest guy or a Lebron hater either...

I'm just saying that hating on Kobe is so much easier, especially because of the situations he gets himself into...

[whitemamba]

kobe 5

[DAF86]

Will Kobe be the 4th best player on its team next season?

[pass1st]

Oh, but they'll be back when real basketball starts again to remind us Kirby has to take 40 shots because Pau and Bynum suck, despite shooting 50%+ from the field. :lol


Wasn't Pakifuck the only kobe-fan left? Assuming kool is just a troll account

[ElNono]

Wasn't Pakifuck the only kobe-fan left? Assuming kool is just a troll account

nigga, please...

- history2bs/KoD/calculated shitbombs
- Douche Bugaboo/stat guy
- c:lolbbl:lolr :toast
- namlook
- LkrFan is also a closet kobefan, IMO

that's just off the top of my head... they might all be the same guy too, tbh...

[FkLA]

5 new Kobe threads when he is a TOSB and also a pretty much a non factor on Team USA ... the obsession with this guy is pretty crazy. His prime was over two season ago. Sure he is still a top 10 all-time player and maybe still one in today's game but not deserving of this much attention. It's Lebron's and to a lessor degree Durant's world now.

Kobe isnt a top 10 player of all-time, Killa.

[pass1st]

nigga, please...

- history2bs/KoD/calculated shitbombs
- Douche Bugaboo/stat guy
- c:lolbbl:lolr :toast
- namlook
- LkrFan is also a closet kobefan, IMO

that's just off the top of my head... they might all be the same guy too, tbh...

Cobbler is just a bandwagon fan, he probably jumped off the Kobe wagon already. I haven't seen the others besides namlook and lkrfan lately. The latter two aren't blatant kobe dick suckers like pakifuck was :lol

[Clipper Nation]

I'm just saying that hating on Kobe is so much easier, especially because of the situations he gets himself into...
And also because he's a douche, his stans are annoying, and he plays the most detestable style of basketball ever (the "chuck first, think later" style), tbh....

I never was a huge Jordan fan for mostly the same reasons.... arrogance, and selfishness early on in his career.... but I can respect Jordan because he still dominated, and he actually learned over time to trust his teammates... I have ZERO respect for Kobrick, who's a cheap knockoff version of Jordan except less clutch and less dominant, routinely throwing teammates and coaches under the bus, and generally acting like a child, tbh....

[DAF86]

5 new Kobe threads when he is a TOSB and also a pretty much a non factor on Team USA ... the obsession with this guy is pretty crazy. His prime was over two season ago. Sure he is still a top 10 all-time player and maybe still one in today's game but not deserving of this much attention. It's Lebron's and to a lessor degree Durant's world now.

Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Duncan, Moses, Hakeem, Lebron, Oscar.

And I'm surely forgetting some.

No, he's not a sure top 10 all-time player.

[DAF86]

It's easy, Kobe is such a polarizing figure 'cause he played for the Lakers his entire career, therefore making a lot of fans. Most of these fans overrated him to the point where neutral observers were left with no choice other than start "hating" the guy, which in reality is telling the truth about Kobe's place in the history of basketball.

[Deuce Bigalow]

The majority ranks Kobe 7th All-Time. That is a sure top 10 player of all-time.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/7550260
25,479 total votes

[Clipper Nation]

The majority ranks Kobe 7th All-Time. That is a sure top 10 player of all-time.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/7550260
25,479 total votes
:lol Relying on an online poll that can EASILY be stuffed by Kobrick stans like you

[Deuce Bigalow]

:lol Relying on an online poll that can EASILY be stuffed by Kobrick stans like you

Just google top 10 nba players alltime list

http://www.hoopsmanifesto.com/articles/basketball/top-10-nba-players-of-all-time.html
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-players-in-NBA-history

Top 10 alltime, u mad?

Kobe 5
Clippers 0

More rings than your franchise, u mad?

[Clipper Nation]

Seems like you mad, B.... I repeat....

In no particular order except the first...

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Russell
Kareem
Shaq
Wilt
Duncan
Oscar
LeClutch, aka Ring James
Hakeem
Jerry West
Karl Malone
Stockton
Pippen
Barkley

I'd take ANY of those cats over Kobrick in a second.....

[Deuce Bigalow]

Seems like you mad, B.... I repeat....

I really value your opinion
Thank you
You changed my mind

[DAF86]

The majority ranks Kobe 7th All-Time. That is a sure top 10 player of all-time.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/7550260
25,479 total votes

You are telling me that the most popular player in the World today did well in a poll? Wow, what a revelation.

If anything I'm surprised he's only 7th.

[Stalin]

i also found this on the interwebs

http://kobebryantisoverrated.webs.com/

[Clipper Nation]

i also found this on the interwebs

http://kobebryantisoverrated.webs.com/
That site delivers, tbh...


I don't give a swine's piss on what the Kobe fans say, their attempt in belittling Michael Jordan's legacy to glorify the undeserving treatment that Kobe's receivong, but only from the media and the Kobe fans and the majority of them are from California so I guess it isn't so bad if they support their homeboy. Coming from the streets myself, there's something that I have taken notice of being in the hood, Kobe Bryant has either little or no Street Credibility at all when you talk about basketball. In the streets, when basketball is discussed, it's always guys names like Allen Iverson, Kevin Garnett, Dwayne Wade, LeBron James, Chris Paul, and last but not least, Michael Jordan, but the majority of time when Bryant name is mentioned, it's always "F&*k Kobe" or "F*&k that crybaby azz nigga" (refering to kobe) "Or that nigga is a Jordan wannabe" This is true story. There isonly a habdful of people who do like Kobe. I'm dead serious!

[ChrisRichards]

Man, Larry Bird at # 5? :lol

[Killakobe81]

Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Duncan, Moses, Hakeem, Lebron, Oscar.

And I'm surely forgetting some.

No, he's not a sure top 10 all-time player.

Let me clarify, I never rank those guys I never seen play. So on my list he is in. There are plenty of national media guys that think he is top 10. Colin Cowherd and even Simmons has moved him up his list begrudgingly (dont remeber Bill's exact order). Point is you guys underestimate him but I wont waste my breath here. Bottom line is he is hanging on barely to a top 10 spot (current NBA) so it still doesnt explain why you guys are wasting time on him now.
It made sense to be contrarian and hate on him when he was one of the best. and I would of debated you. Now mostly you will just get a shrug of the shoulders. His shot selection was ALWAYS his biggest flaw more than his arrogance or being a selfish scorer. But as his athleticism declines if he doesnt improve the quality of shots he takes he will be Iversonesque ...

[Clipper Nation]

Colin Cowherd and even Simmons has moved him up his list begrudgingly (dont remeber Bill's exact order)....
Yes, those great oracles of the sports media, Colin Cowherd and Bill Simmons.... who's next? Skip Bayless? TJ Simers?

[Deuce Bigalow]

You are telling me that the most popular player in the World today did well in a poll? Wow, what a revelation.

If anything I'm surprised he's only 7th.


Explain these then

http://www.hoopsmanifesto.com/articles/basketball/top-10-nba-players-of-all-time.html
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-players-in-NBA-history

[ChrisRichards]

Kobe's Top 10 for sure.

Jordan
Magic
Kareem
Bill Russell
Wilt
Shaq
Bird
Kobe
Duncan
Olajuwon


That's my 10. But the thing with Kobe is he's not a lock unlike some of the names there. The immortal 6 will forever be there (MJ, Magic, Bird, Russ, Wilt & Kareem) Duncan has no competition. He's the best and only PF in that list, with his resume it will be extremely hard to replace him by any player in this era. Shaq too. I mean sure, Shaq didn't had a glorious longevity but in terms of his impact in the game, Shaq did more than anyone post MJ era. Shaq was a beast, in terms of pure dominance, no one can touch him in that Top 10 list, so yeah he's not going anywhere.



That leaves us with Olajuwon and Kobe. Olajuwon had 2 amazing years and his dream shake was a sight to see but he's not iconic enough. He will be booted in a few more years once Lebron hangs it up. Which leaves us with Durant possibly challenging Kobe for that 10th spot.


See, I think Kobe has the edge anyway because he's A) A Laker, B) Historically dropped a mean 81 points C) He's the most accomplished player of his generation. That being said, Durant is young and he's already erasing every "youngest to reach" scoring record Kobe broke in his younger days. Time will tell. But if Durant starts bringing some championships home and puts OKC in the map, I can see him sneaking past Kobe for that 10th spot.

[ChrisRichards]

Come to think of it. Its amazing how the game has evolved. If you tell folks back then that players like Dr J, Jerry West, Oscar Robertson, Moses Malone & Isiah Thomas (which were all catalysts and game changes in their own rights) will not be Top 10 players after a decade, I bet you'll be ridiculed and laughed at. That's why I hate comparing eras. Its just a different set of rules and approach to the game.

[DAF86]

Explain these then

http://www.hoopsmanifesto.com/articles/basketball/top-10-nba-players-of-all-time.html
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-players-in-NBA-history

Two guys' opinion, that may or may not be Kobe fans. I for once know that those lists are bullshit when Kobe is ahead of guys like Duncan and Shaq.

[Latarian Milton]

shaq should be reserved a top10 spot simply for his glass-smashing dunks, let alone his superman stats. duncan probably deserves one too with the great things he's done for his team and the team's successes

if you evaluate these players by their whole careers & their accomplishments then guys like duncan and kobe should be there, while individually they ain't that great. its all up to the scale used imho. duncan is a hardworking fundamental guy who has all the basic skills and awesome teamwork, but no outstanding remark; kobe is a clutch shooter and that's all, neither guy would've been considered an all-time great w/o the superb supporting casts they have tbh

hakeem should be also a lock as well imho, he was second to none at the center position. his all-round skills and symbolic footwork have yet to been seen on another C since he retired tbh

[Ashy Larry]

Kobe's Top 10 for sure.

Jordan
Magic
Kareem
Bill Russell
Wilt
Shaq
Bird
Kobe
Duncan
Olajuwon


That's my 10. But the thing with Kobe is he's not a lock unlike some of the names there. The immortal 6 will forever be there (MJ, Magic, Bird, Russ, Wilt & Kareem) Duncan has no competition. He's the best and only PF in that list, with his resume it will be extremely hard to replace him by any player in this era. Shaq too. I mean sure, Shaq didn't had a glorious longevity but in terms of his impact in the game, Shaq did more than anyone post MJ era. Shaq was a beast, in terms of pure dominance, no one can touch him in that Top 10 list, so yeah he's not going anywhere.



That leaves us with Olajuwon and Kobe. Olajuwon had 2 amazing years and his dream shake was a sight to see but he's not iconic enough. He will be booted in a few more years once Lebron hangs it up. Which leaves us with Durant possibly challenging Kobe for that 10th spot.


See, I think Kobe has the edge anyway because he's A) A Laker, B) Historically dropped a mean 81 points C) He's the most accomplished player of his generation. That being said, Durant is young and he's already erasing every "youngest to reach" scoring record Kobe broke in his younger days. Time will tell. But if Durant starts bringing some championships home and puts OKC in the map, I can see him sneaking past Kobe for that 10th spot.


Probably the immortal five .... as good as Bird was, LeBron is going to destroy every stat Bird put up and probably tie him in rings. I think James will go down as the best SF ever.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Two guys' opinion, that may or may not be Kobe fans. I for once know that those lists are bullshit when Kobe is ahead of guys like Duncan and Shaq.
:lol @ thinking Kobe being over Duncan is bullshit

Kobe>Duncan. Sorry.

[Killakobe81]

Probably the immortal five .... as good as Bird was, LeBron is going to destroy every stat Bird put up and probably tie him in rings. I think James will go down as the best SF ever.

I agree. And Larry would too. Kobe is probably gonna be ranked ahead of Bird too, but we shall see. Lebron has a outside shot at MJ and I have said that consistently the past 4 seasons. He just needed to ring, then ring some more. I think he gets #2 this year. He gest one more he ties Bird in rings and Im guessing he eclipses every number Bird ever had outside of maybe FT shooting% and 3pt% ...

Kobe, Hakeem and Duncan will also be within reach. Magic, Kareem and MJ will be tougher to catch

[DAF86]

:lol @ thinking Kobe being over Duncan is bullshit

Kobe>Duncan. Sorry.

Duncan 2 MVP's
Kobe 1 MVP

Duncan 3 finals MVP's
Kobe 2 finals MVP's

Duncan accomplished the ultimate NBA feat: Regular season MVP and Finals MVP in the same season.

Not to mention that every objective person that saw both of these guys at their primes know that Duncan was ten times more dominant than Kobe.

Duncan > Kobe

[Deuce Bigalow]

Duncan 2 MVP's
Kobe 1 MVP

Duncan 3 finals MVP's
Kobe 2 finals MVP's

Duncan accomplished the ultimate NBA feat: Regular season MVP and Finals MVP in the same season.

Not to mention that every objective person that saw both of these guys at their primes know that Duncan was ten times more dominant than Kobe.

Duncan > Kobe
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2001_WCF.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2002_WCS.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2004_WCS.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2008_WCS.html

You don't rank players on regular Season MVPs

[Deuce Bigalow]

Using Regular MVPs isn't the end of it all

Kobe in seasons he did not win MVP

'06: 35/5/4 56 TS%
'07: 32/6/5 58 TS%

Duncan in seasons he won MVP

'02: 26/13/4 58 TS%
'03: 23/13/4 56 TS%


Finals MVPs

Duncan won Finals MVP in '05 averaging 21/14/2 47 TS%

Kobe in the '02 Finals averaged 27/6/5 62 TS%, but did not win the award.

[DAF86]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2001_WCF.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2002_WCS.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2004_WCS.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2008_WCS.html

You don't rank players on regular Season MVPs

But you rank them for head to head playoffs series between the teams of those players?

[Deuce Bigalow]

But you rank them for head to head playoffs series between the teams of those players?
Answer this, who was the best player in the Lakers vs Spurs series this last decade?

[mavs>spurs]

kobe is sucking it up right now

[DAF86]

Answer this, who was the best player in the Lakers vs Spurs series this last decade?

I don't know, I would have to look at the stats. But even if it was Kobe, that doesn't mean he's the better player in general.

[BigTex342006]

Playoff stats head to head (30 games):

Duncan - 25.2 pts 13.6 rbs 4.2 asts 2.3 blks

Kobe B - 28.2 pts 5.9 rbs 4.7 asts 1.4 stls

...if you are trying to convince me Kobe is better than Duncan based on stats played head to head in the playoffs, then I am not a buyer. Duncan clearly has the better numbers.

Duncan has been the best player on 4 champion teams....Kobe 2. For all of Kobe's offensive prowess, he only averages 3 pts more per game on less efficient shooting. Defensively Kobe hasn't been in the same league as effecting a game as Duncan. Duncan has simply done more with less...

[Deuce Bigalow]

Playoff stats head to head (30 games):

Duncan - 25.2 pts 13.6 rbs 4.2 asts 2.3 blks

Kobe B - 28.2 pts 5.9 rbs 4.7 asts 1.4 stls

...if you are trying to convince me Kobe is better than Duncan based on stats played head to head in the playoffs, then I am not a buyer. Duncan clearly has the better numbers.

Duncan has been the best player on 4 champion teams....Kobe 2. For all of Kobe's offensive prowess, he only averages 3 pts more per game on less efficient shooting. Defensively Kobe hasn't been in the same league as effecting a game as Duncan. Duncan has simply done more with less...
Both shot 47 FG%, so no Duncan was not more efficient. In fact Kobe was more efficient since he made many 3 pointers and shot higher % from the FT line. Kobe's eFG% was higher.
Kobe's '99 performance (he was still young and raw) lowers his stats which is the only reason why it even looks comparable.
Lakers won 4 out of 6.
Stats don't tell you everything too. In 2002, Duncan has the better stats in that series, but Kobe was the better player if you watched the series. In Game 4 of the 4th quarter he outscored the Spurs entire team by himself and hit the Gamewinner, while Duncan choked. In Game 3 of the 4th quarter Kobe scored 11 points on 5-5 shooting leading his team to victory.

Duncan couldn't take over games in the 4th quarter like Kobe could, so he is the very least in his league on affecting games :lol
No Duncan has not done more with less
He hasn't done more. Kobe won 5, Duncan won 4. Kobe 7 finals, Duncan 4. So how did he do more? :lol
And stop trying to bring his teammates down. D-Rob, Manu, Parker, and Bowen with Pop as Coach is a great cast.

[Jodelo]

Try to spin it your way. Sometimes stats are the truth when they support Kobe, if they don't, stats are uselss.

Point is, you're a faggot!

[BigTex342006]

Head to head you cannot deny Timmy has better stats....

As far as overall playoff stats, Tim still has better numbers.... prove otherwise.

I love when Kobe fans make excuses for Kobe.....he was young!! Don't count his first few years!!! I guess you are willing to forgive any Duncan stats that have gone down because of his four years of college near the end of his career?

Duncan won a championship averaging the most points, rebounds, assists, and blocks.... That is something Kobe could only dream about...