what a chicken commercial...

[CosmicCowboy]

This guys wife died SIX YEARS after Romney left Bain Capital

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[clambake]

why did mitt make her suffer so long?

[Wild Cobra]

And Clamy's comeback is also a chickenshit one.

[coyotes_geek]

Well I certainly don't want my wife to die of cancer, so I guess I better vote for Obama.

[clambake]

And Clamy's comeback is also a chickenshit one.

you wouldn't understand. your wife ran away.

[Yonivore]

Good to see Bill Maher's money is being wasted.

[Wild Cobra]

you wouldn't understand. your wife ran away.
That's all you ever have. Chickenshit comments about things you don't understand.

P.S.

I am the one who petitioned for divorce. I know that never came up, but I dumped her.

[clambake]

That's all you ever have. Chickenshit comments about things you don't understand.

P.S.

I am the one who petitioned for divorce. I know that never came up, but I dumped her.

:lol sure!

[jack sommerset]

That ad was done in poor taste..That man is being taking advantage of. Cancer killed his wife not mitt. God bless

[jack sommerset]

:lol sure!

My silly brother, some say divorce is worse than death. I have had friends, family and co workers go through divorces and it changes them, some of them in a very negative way. You should cut the wild cobra some slack. You have said just about everything you could say to hurt him over the years. Let it go. Be better than that. God bless

[CosmicCowboy]

Cancer killed my sister and she HAD insurance.

[clambake]

My silly brother, some say divorce is worse than death. I have had friends, family and co workers go through divorces and it changes them, some of them in a very negative way. You should cut the wild cobra some slack. You have said just about everything you could say to hurt him over the years. Let it go. Be better than that. God bless

he started it. how can such a religious wise man let that escape his attention?

[jack sommerset]

he started it. how can such a religious wise man let that escape his attention?

He did not bring his ex wife up, you did and you do it a lot. Let it go. God bless

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

you wouldn't understand. your wife ran away.
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[clambake]

He did not bring his ex wife up, you did and you do it a lot. Let it go. God bless

he brought up his ex-wife. we should give thanks to the lord for her successful escape from evil.

[Yonivore]

Actually, the poor widower was misled. It wasn't Romney that killed his wife...

Obama Bundler Kills Woman, Media Silent (http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/obama-bundler-kills-woman-media-silent/)


So seven years after Romney really left Bain this woman died. Yet left unmentioned is the fact when the plant closed, it was an Obama bundler (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/19/Obama-bundler-Bain-Capital) running Bain, as noted a few weeks ago when this whole bogus “Romney didn’t leave Bain until 2002″ meme surfaced.
So, Jonathan Lavine, managing director at Bain, who has bundled between $100,000 and $200,000 in contributions for the 2012 Obama Victory Fund, was one of the guys running Bain when GST went belly-up in 2001. He was also there when the ad's principal became a widower.

The Obama camp knew this when the "outsourcing" and "felony" nonsense blew up in their faces but, they just can't seem to help themselves. They've got nothing else, particularly since they're in the process of throwing Harry Reid and his smear under the bus.

[Yonivore]

Cancer killed my sister and she HAD insurance.
Then, there's that; cancer is pretty fucking apolitical.

[clambake]

lol at yoni's rags.

as bad as bou lol

[CosmicCowboy]

I think trash talking about posters wives and ex-wives should be off limits. It's VERY uncool.

[clambake]

I think trash talking about posters wives and ex-wives should be off limits. It's VERY uncool.

my happiness for her escape is sincere, not trash talking.

[clambake]

he said he dumped her..........apparently like common trash.

get it?

[CosmicCowboy]

wow.

I don't know the details and don't want to.

I have had friends go through divorces and everyone suffers.

She said, he said, bullshit.

I get the feeling she cheated/left and he filed. Don't have anything to back that up with.

Either way your trash talk is very uncool.

[clambake]

he trashed her. i'm here to defend her honor. very uncool of you to defend him.

[CosmicCowboy]

fucking loser

[clambake]

wow.

I don't know the details and don't want to.

I have had friends go through divorces and everyone suffers.

She said, he said, bullshit.

I get the feeling she cheated/left and he filed. Don't have anything to back that up with.

Either way your trash talk is very uncool.
you yourself just metaphorically said she ran away.

fucking loser

you should be sorry.

[jack sommerset]

he trashed her. i'm here to defend her honor. very uncool of you to defend him.

You're logic is one of a silly clown. I was hoping you could let go of the hurtful things you have said to WC about his ex wife. It did the opposite, it fueled your resentment towards him even more. God bless

[clambake]

You're logic is one of a silly clown. I was hoping you could let go of the hurtful things you have said to WC about his ex wife. It did the opposite, it fueled your resentment towards him even more. God bless


he trashed her. i'm here to defend her honor. very uncool of you to defend him.

i understand your position. you religious guys don't see women as equals.

[jack sommerset]

i understand your position. you religious guys don't see women as equals.

You clearly dont. There is no reasoning with you today. God bless

[clambake]

There is no reasoning with you today. God bless

i got my chivalry on.

[ElNono]

i understand your position. you religious guys don't see women as equals.

if you were only black with all that determination... jack would love to own one or two of you...

[clambake]

if you were only black with all that determination... jack would love to own one or two of you...

careful, i have a feeling cowboy's gonna tuck his skirt and run to kori.

[Yonivore]

You clearly dont. There is no reasoning with you today. God bless
Today? Why do you think I have it on ignore?

[Yonivore]

It's gotta be real bad for CNN to be calling bullshit on the ad.


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:lmao Another Obama fail! I hope that PAC burned through every penny of Bill Maher's $1 million dollar donation making and buying airtime for that despicable ad.

[boutons_deux]

"I like to fire people", Gecko is job destroyer.

Fire someone with health insurance, esp an middle aged, sick person, and they're most often screwed out of insurance completely, often condemned to bankruptcy and poverty for year, and perhaps forever for middle aged sick people.

So this ad is a reminder that ACA Obamacare, just like Geckocare in MA, is a humanitarian attempt to counter the vicious economic Darwinism that makes America the most inhumane of industrial countries.

[Spurminator]

Just another reason to get PAC money off the airwaves.

[Yonivore]

Just another reason to get PAC money off the airwaves.
Certainly on the Democrat side.

[Spurminator]

That sounds like something a stupid person would say.

[leemajors]

That sounds like something a stupid person would say.

At least after the Olympics I will be back to mainly DVR watching until the NFL starts, missing many shitty ads from everyone.

[jack sommerset]

if you were only black with all that determination... jack would love to own one or two of you...

Silly clowns. God bless

[Yonivore]

Ooops! Did the Obama Campaign coordinate Soptic ads with a PAC? That would be illegal.

Team Obama denies knowing story of man in its TV ad, call (http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/team-obama-says-they-dont-story-of-man-who-stars-of-131462.html)


Asked about the Priorities spot on MSNBC Wednesday morning, Robert Gibbs said he doesn’t “know the specifics” while Stephanie Cutter said on CNN: “I don’t know the facts about when Mr. Soptic’s wife got sick or the facts about his health insurance.”

And Jen Psaki told reporters on Air Force One that “we don't' have any knowledge of the story of the family,” according to Yahoo! News.

But Cutter hosted an Obama campaign conference call in May in which Soptic told reporters the very story featured in the Priorities spot.

Both the campaign and the Priorities USA Action said there was no coordination about Soptic’s appearances. In the campaign’s ad, Soptic speaks only about the plant. In the Priorities spot, he tells the personal story he relayed during the Obama campaign conference call.

“We have no idea when Priorities shot their spot,” an Obama campaign official said. “We’re not allowed to coordinate with them – but we can tell you it wasn’t when we shot ours.”
I'm convinced. :rolleyes

So, for those of you playing at home, Soptic talked about his wife's illness, death, and lack of insurance (which turns out to be a lie, by the way), during a conference call hosted by Obama Campaign official Stephanie Cutter. The Campaign airs an ad that, while it doesn't feature the wife's story, features Soptic. Soptic is then featured in a Priorities USA Action "PAC" ad in which he tells the story about Romney murdering his wife...the same story he told on the Obama Campaign-sponsored conference call. And, for the kicker, Stephanie Cutter claims no knowledge of Soptic's wife's circumstances even though she sponsored a call during which the story was told.

Let's go to the tape:


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Sounds like he's reading form a script, too. I wonder who wrote it.

And, oh yeah, the lies! The lies!

GST was shut down after Romney left Bain but, while a major Obama bundler was running the place.

Mrs. Soptic was employed and had insurance when Mr. Soptic was laid off from the GST.

Same guy, two different ads. Same story, two different venues. Nah, no coordination there.


“We have no idea when Priorities shot their spot,” an Obama campaign official said. “We’re not allowed to coordinate with them – but we can tell you it wasn’t when we shot ours.”
:lmao

Having Mr. Soptic mention the pension was a nice touch.

Delphi salaried retirees get documents for their pension termination case (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120610/AUTO0103/206100346)


Washington— The Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp has turned over 62,000 pages of documents to a group of Delphi Corp. salaried retirees that are suing over the 2009 termination of the pension plan covering more than 20,000 current and future retirees.
I wonder how many "Soptic" stories could be mined out of 20,000 Delphi screwees?

[ChumpDumper]

So what's the penalty for this illegal act?

How many years in federal prison?

[DarrinS]

This ad is sure to be effective in getting the coveted independent vote. Money well spent.

[Yonivore]

This ad is sure to be effective in getting the coveted independent vote. Money well spent.
That's the PAC to which Bill Maher sent his million. Priceless.

[George Gervin's Afro]

You're logic is one of a silly clown. I was hoping you could let go of the hurtful things you have said to WC about his ex wife. It did the opposite, it fueled your resentment towards him even more. God bless

Logic to jack = oil & water. Lol

[Yonivore]

I saw (and commented on) a clip from this show, in another thread. And, since Sorkin did a pretty good job with The West Wing, it's possible this show will receive some attention and that we'll see more of Sorkin's scripted political wisdom, played out in this forum, from the mouths of actors such as Jeff Daniels and Sam Waterston.

So, it appears he's already getting fact checked on his liberal nonsense, as well.

In this clip, John Samples of CATO completely destroys Aaron Sorkin's vision of free speech in general and the Citizens United decision in particular.


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If Sorkin has a problem with Citizens United, he should shut his corporate speech the fuck up. :lmao

[Yonivore]

So, if you're keeping score at home...

1) Mitt Romney left Bain Capital in 1999.

2) Bain Capital shuttered GST in 2002.

3) Soptic's wife was still employed and insured through her employer in 2002.

4) Soptic has been employed since his layoff from GST.

5) Soptic's wife was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer in 2006, after being admitted for pneumonia, and died 22 days later.

Now, we find out there's a 1.5.

1.5) Bain Capital offered Soptic a buyout in 2001, before GST was closed.


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This should go down in history as the most dishonest, despicable, and slimiest political ad of all time. Shame on Obama. Shame on Soptic. Shame on Priorities USA Action PAC.

I hope the coordination between Priorities USA Action and Obama For America is proven and Stephanie Cutter goes to prison for it.

[ElNono]

This should go down in history as the most dishonest, despicable, and slimiest political ad of all time.

I wouldn't go that far. It was poorly executed, no doubt.

As far as smearing, it's probably up there with Swift Vets and POWs for Truth...

[Yonivore]

I wouldn't go that far. It was poorly executed, no doubt.

As far as smearing, it's probably up there with Swift Vets and POWs for Truth...
Except the part where Swift Boat Vets were being honest.

[ElNono]

Except the part where Swift Boat Vets were being honest.

lol honest

There was nothing honest about it. That's why even a Vietnam POW like McCain condemned it.

Credit where credit is due though, their tactics are a textbook example on how to run a successful political smear campaign.

[Yonivore]

lol honest

There was nothing honest about it. That's why even a Vietnam POW like McCain condemned it.

Credit where credit is due though, their tactics are a textbook example on how to run a successful political smear campaign.
I'm not sure how John McCain is in a position to know whether or not the Swiftboat Veterans were being dishonest.

In fact, I went to Snopes.com and they found that the statements made by the Swiftboat Veterans cannot be classified as either true or false because they were opinions.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/swift.asp

So, you're comparing the opinions of decorated war veterans to the demonstrable lies of Soptic, the PAC, and the Obama campaign?

[ElNono]

I'm not sure how John McCain is in a position to know whether or not the Swiftboat Veterans were being dishonest.

Apparently he had an opinion about it:

"I condemn the ad, it is dishonest and dishonorable, I think it is very, very wrong," and "I hope that the President will also condemn it."


In fact, I went to Snopes.com and they found that the statements made by the Swiftboat Veterans cannot be classified as either true or false because they were opinions.

That's exactly what smear campaigns are made of, ad-hominems.

If you digged a little deeper, you would also find out that: No members of SBVT were aboard Kerry's boat during any of the incidents for which he was decorated.


So, you're comparing the opinions of decorated war veterans to the demonstrable lies of Soptic, the PAC, and the Obama campaign?

Soptic is giving an opinion, as misguided, deceitful, implausible or wrong as you think it is, it's the opinion the group that paid for the ad is asking him to portray. Again, textbook ad-hominem smear campaign.

Not to mention that the bottomline is that both ads came from well-funded, well-oiled partisan groups behind them.

Honesty sounds a lot nicer when you don't get over $10 millions from Republican donors.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol at tools who think that either candidate or their parties do not coordinate with the superpacs

when karl rove and other SAF people started showing up and participating in GOP fundraising events AND the dems didn't say anything that should have told you something.

[Spurminator]

So, if you're keeping score at home...


We're not.

[Yonivore]

Soptic is giving an opinion, as misguided, deceitful, implausible or wrong as you think it is, it's the opinion the group that paid for the ad is asking him to portray. Again, textbook ad-hominem smear campaign.
Soptic said his wife lost health insurance after GST shut down when, in fact, his wife continued to have insurance through her employer.

A demonstrable lie.

[Yonivore]

We're not.
Well, you should. It's important stuff.

[Clipper Nation]

BTW, how stupid are Willard and his staff to have used this as an opportunity to remind everyone that Willard invented Obamacare?

:lol Willard
:lol Billed as "electable" because of shady primary "wins"
:lol Extremely UNelectable because of shady tax cheating and neocon liberalism
:lol Yet another "electable" trainwreck for the GOP

[Spurminator]

Well, you should. It's important stuff.

Attack ads that insult the intelligence of anyone paying attention? The score is always tied, IMO. No interest in arguing who's doing it more. It's a distraction.

[ElNono]

Soptic said his wife lost health insurance after GST shut down when, in fact, his wife continued to have insurance through her employer.

A demonstrable lie.

It doesn't matter, Yoni. He passed the message he was paid to pass. Unlike you, most people don't feel the urge to dig into minutiae. Some of the swift boat veterans lied too, otherwise your snopes link wouldn't say "multiple". That's how smear campaign works, you mix some truth with some made up bull, and you get basically the stuff you post here 90% of the time.

[ElNono]

Attack ads that insult the intelligence of anyone paying attention? The score is always tied, IMO. No interest in arguing who's doing it more. It's a distraction.

Agreed. For somebody that has no horse in the race and wants to hear actual policy ideas, it's garbage.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's an interesting point that Soptic also shot an earlier commercial for the Obama campaign about the plant closing. (didn't mention his wife at the time)

Strangely enough, Soptic was wearing exactly the same clothes he was wearing in this cancer commercial. Makes you wonder just how much cross pollination there is with campaign money/strategy and PAC money/strategy. Could they have even shot them the same day? I mean we all know it's illegal but what are the chances anyone would ever do anything about it?

[CosmicCowboy]

Here is the other ad that aired months ago PAID FOR BY THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN.

Notice Mr. Soptic wearing THE SAME FUCKING SHIRT!

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[ElNono]

It's an interesting point that Soptic also shot an earlier commercial for the Obama campaign about the plant closing. (didn't mention his wife at the time)

Strangely enough, Soptic was wearing exactly the same clothes he was wearing in this cancer commercial. Makes you wonder just how much cross pollination there is with campaign money/strategy and PAC money/strategy. Could they have even shot them the same day? I mean we all know it's illegal but what are the chances anyone would ever do anything about it?

Probably all shot the same day... what people don't see is the camera crew, the director, the makeup artist, etc :lol

I've been always baffled how any of that is successful, but they keep doing it, so I guess it does stick with the boutons/Yonis of the world.

[CosmicCowboy]

Probably all shot the same day... what people don't see is the camera crew, the director, the makeup artist, etc :lol

I've been always baffled how any of that is successful, but they keep doing it, so I guess it does stick with the boutons/Yonis of the world.

And yet there is supposed to be a Chinese Wall between the campaign and PAC commercials? This is fucking BLATANT. The Obama campaigns fingerprints are all over this "PAC's" malignant cancer campaign.

[ElNono]

And yet there is supposed to be a Chinese Wall between the campaign and PAC commercials? This is fucking BLATANT. The Obama campaigns fingerprints are all over this "PAC's" malignant cancer campaign.

:lol ofcourse... just like the Bush campaign had all the fingerprints behind the swift boats stuff.... the whole 'uncoordinated' shit is fishy at best...

I have no proof, but it's somewhat evident, IMO.

[ElNono]

CC, you sound like this is the first negative commercial you've seen :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

CC, you sound like this is the first negative commercial you've seen :lol

You have to admit this one was pretty clumsily done...I guess it's more intelligence insulting. Unfortunately a LOT of stupid people will buy this shit hook line and sinker.

[ElNono]

You have to admit this one was pretty clumsily done...I guess it's more intelligence insulting. Unfortunately a LOT of stupid people will buy this shit hook line and sinker.

Absolutely... like I said, very poorly executed. But some people are buying this shit, otherwise they wouldn't keep dropping millions on them. Just sad, tbh.

[Yonivore]

Absolutely... like I said, very poorly executed. But some people are buying this shit, otherwise they wouldn't keep dropping millions on them. Just sad, tbh.
Dewhurst dropped some coin on a commercial that tried the same smear on Ted Cruz. Some lady accused Cruz of murdering her son.

Blew up in Dewhurst's face.

Cruz wins.

I think when you disingenuously start accusing your opponent of murder, there's probably going to be a blow back.

[Yonivore]

Pretty much sums it up...


http://www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2012/08/RAMFNclr-081012-mud-IBF-COL.jpg.cms_.jpeg

[leemajors]

Pretty much sums it up...


http://www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2012/08/RAMFNclr-081012-mud-IBF-COL.jpg.cms_.jpeg

if you throw the republican ones in there too and just change it to politics, sure.

[Yonivore]

if you throw the republican ones in there too and just change it to politics, sure.
Example of Republicans that should be in the sty, from the current election?