Interesting new take on fast and furious...

[CosmicCowboy]

I know...consider the source...

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/newswatch/2012/08/shocking-allegation-about-fast-and-furious/

Shocking allegation about ‘Fast and Furious’
Posted on 08/09/2012 by Greg Anglin


Zambada-Niebla (MSNBC)
A high-ranking Mexican drug cartel operative in U.S. custody says the failed federal operation known as “Fast and Furious” wasn’t about tracking guns at all, the Blaze reports.

Jesus Vicente Zambada-Niebla, known as the Sinaloa Cartel’s “logistics coordinator.” says it was about supplying them — part of a deal between the U.S. government and Mexico’s powerful Sinaloa Cartel to take down rival cartels.

Zambada-Niebla, who was extradited to the Chicago last year to face federal drug charges, says that under a “divide and conquer” strategy, the U.S. helped finance and arm the Sinaloa Cartel through Operation Fast and Furious in exchange for intelligence on rival cartels.

He adds that the cartel was allowed to traffic massive amounts of drugs across the U.S. border from 2004 to 2009 as long as the intel kept coming.

A soruce in Congress tells the Blaze that some lawmakers are closely watching the case against Zambada-Niebla to see whether any of his claims are substantiated.

Read more:
Was U.S. secretly working with cartel?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/high-ranking-mexican-drug-cartel-member-makes-explosive-allegation-fast-and-furious-is-not-what-you-think-it-is/

[George Gervin's Afro]

So the US govt teamed up with bad guys.. in order to get intel on even badder guys. Par for the course if you ask me.

[CosmicCowboy]

So the US govt teamed up with bad guys.. in order to get intel on even badder guys. Par for the course if you ask me.

If true, this would be over the top. It's one thing to look the other way on the occasional drug shipment, but supplying them with thousands of weapons?

[cantthinkofanything]

If true, this would be over the top. It's one thing to look the other way on the occasional drug shipment, but supplying them with thousands of weapons?

How is this different than anything we do around the globe? We supply arms to groups that support our current agenda. And at some point, those arms may be used to kill Americans.

But a necessary evil I guess.

[clambake]

If true, this would be over the top. It's one thing to look the other way on the occasional drug shipment, but supplying them with thousands of weapons?

bin ladin says hi.

[George Gervin's Afro]

How is this different than anything we do around the globe? We supply arms to groups that support our current agenda. And at some point, those arms may be used to kill Americans.

But a necessary evil I guess.

kind of how I feel about it... The government has done this type of thing in the past and will continue to do so in the future. For isntatnce I believe the US govt has allowed drugs to be imported into this country at one point or another.. has any died because these drugs were allowed in? Absolutely...

[baseline bum]

Wow, so Obama really meant it when he said he admired Reagan.

[ElNono]

Wow, so Obama really meant it when he said he admired Reagan.

:lol

[johnsmith]

Drug running pussies.

Sincerely,
Taliban

[George Gervin's Afro]

The more I think about it this story makes more sense than anything I have seen written about Fast and Furious to date

[TeyshaBlue]

Mexghanistan.

[CosmicCowboy]

Based on the alleged agreement ”the Sinaloa Cartel under the leadership of defendant’s father, Ismael Zambada-Niebla and ‘Chapo’ Guzman, were given carte blanche to continue to smuggle tons of illicit drugs into Chicago and the rest of the United States and were also protected by the United States government from arrest and prosecution in return for providing information against rival cartels which helped Mexican and United States authorities capture or kill thousands of rival cartel members,” states a motion for discovery filed in U.S. District Court by Zambada-Niebla’s attorney in July 2011.

hmmmmmmmm

[boutons_deux]

If this is true, an equally valuable quid-pro-quo would be CIA telling US banks to launder drug trafficker $Bs.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

2004 to 2009??

OBAMAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're STILL blaming Bush for what happened from 2004 to 2009?!?!?! It's time for Obama to take some responsibility there!

[Wild Cobra]

So the US govt teamed up with bad guys.. in order to get intel on even badder guys. Par for the course if you ask me.
I agree.

It happens all the time. Doesn't make it right, and those giving the orders need to be in jail.

[CosmicCowboy]

The phone call that started it:

"Hey Barry!...Barry Sotero!...hows my homeboy? It's Kareem...Kareem from back in the hood!...We proud of you bro!...you done really stepped up from community organizin..."

"What can I do for you Kareem?"

"Bro...I need some big time help...your gubment boys been slapping my boy Guzmans shipments HARD lately...It's dryer around here than Michelle's snatch! Think your boys can let up on my homey a little if he throws you some bones?"

"Damn bro!..we can't let my Chicago homes be missin their blow!...I'll see what I can do and get back to you...Say...don't forget there is another election coming up homes...If I get it greased for you and Chapo I'm gonna expect a littl sumpinsumpin in the offering plate on Sunday if you get my drift..."

"No problem bro...just handle it"..*click*

[clambake]

wut?

[Wild Cobra]

The phone call that started it:

"Hey Barry!...Barry Sotero!...hows my homeboy? It's Kareem...Kareem from back in the hood!...We proud of you bro!...you done really stepped up from community organizin..."

"What can I do for you Kareem?"

"Bro...I need some big time help...your gubment boys been slapping my boy Guzmans shipments HARD lately...It's dryer around here than Michelle's snatch! Think your boys can let up on my homey a little if he throws you some bones?"

"Damn bro!..we can't let my Chicago homes be missin their blow!...I'll see what I can do and get back to you...Say...don't forget there is another election coming up homes...If I get it greased for you and Chapo I'm gonna expect a littl sumpinsumpin in the offering plate on Sunday if you get my drift..."

"No problem bro...just handle it"..*click*
LOL...

Can you imagine such commercials on TV or Radio?

[Yonivore]

So the US govt teamed up with bad guys.. in order to get intel on even badder guys. Par for the course if you ask me.
The added twist of arming them to the teeth is a nice touch, don't you think?

[clambake]

The added twist of arming them to the teeth is a nice touch, don't you think?

how many missiles did they get?

[ElNono]

Reminds me of...

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/handshake300.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

The phone call that started it:

"Hey Barry!...Barry Sotero!...hows my homeboy? It's Kareem...Kareem from back in the hood!...We proud of you bro!...you done really stepped up from community organizin..."

"What can I do for you Kareem?"

"Bro...I need some big time help...your gubment boys been slapping my boy Guzmans shipments HARD lately...It's dryer around here than Michelle's snatch! Think your boys can let up on my homey a little if he throws you some bones?"

"Damn bro!..we can't let my Chicago homes be missin their blow!...I'll see what I can do and get back to you...Say...don't forget there is another election coming up homes...If I get it greased for you and Chapo I'm gonna expect a littl sumpinsumpin in the offering plate on Sunday if you get my drift..."

"No problem bro...just handle it"..*click*

Incredibly unfunny, tbh... also, where's the Dubya version? After all, like everything else, Obama was just continuing Dubya's shit policies here....

[ElNono]

Incredibly unfunny, tbh... also, where's the Dubya version?

http://i50.tinypic.com/30vevti.jpg

[CosmicCowboy]

Well, the Mexicans recovered one of the Fast and Furious Barrett 50 cal's...It was in El Chapo's stash when they busted him.

[boutons_deux]

Gun Control 2016: Mexican Drug Cartels Are Using Firearms Purchased Legally In The US

Guns purchased legally in the U.S. don’t end up only in the hands of American criminals; they may also be finding their way into the possession of Mexican drug trafficking organizations.

Guns bought mostly in the Southwest United States account for roughly 70 percent of the weapons seized in Mexico from 2009 through 2014, a report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office (http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-16-223) says.

The report comes as the United States grapples with a national debate over gun control while mass shootings take place on an almost regular basis. President Barack Obama and the Democrats looking to replace him in 2017 have called for comprehensive firearm controls to be passed in Congress, but Republicans have firmly pushed back on the grounds that doing so would violate Second Amendment rights.

The GAO report relied on data analyzed year by year in which the Justice Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms traced weapons confiscated in Mexico back to their origins. Most of the guns were purchased legally at gun shows or gun shops in the U.S. before being brought south. The smugglers have also been complicating the tracing ability for investigators, who said the weapons are often being broken down into parts before being smuggled into Mexico.

Obama has repeatedly addressed the issue of gun control as president, though it was not until last week that he exercised his executive authority to expand background check requirements. Even with that action, and therecent avowal from U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch (http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/u-s-attorney-general-to-institutionalize-obama-gun-laws/) to ensure that those executive actions last beyond his presidency, many have said that his actions aren’t enough in the long run (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/nicole-hemmer/articles/2016-01-12/meaningful-action-on-gun-control-is-beyond-the-presidents-reach).

A recent poll (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-guns-idUSKCN0UQ2O220160113) shows that the majority of Americans support stricter measures.

http://www.ibtimes.com/gun-control-2016-mexican-drug-cartels-are-using-firearms-purchased-legally-us-2266128

[CosmicCowboy]

That can't be.

Guns are illegal in Mexico!

[boutons_deux]

Mapping the Sale of Firearms vs. Frappuccinos


http://cdn.citylab.com/media/img/citylab/2016/01/Screen_Shot_2016_01_12_at_7.04.57_PM/lead_large.png?1452643631

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives reports that (http://www.atf.gov/firearms/listing-federal-firearms-licensees-ffls-2015)

64,747 licensed gun dealers (https://www.atf.gov/firearms/listing-federal-firearms-licensees-ffls-2015)

(defined here as gun shops, pawnbrokers, or individual sellers) existed in the U.S. as of December 2015. But that raw number alone might not mean much to you. So a new mapping project (http://www.safer-america.com/firearmsandfraps/) by data viz company 1point21 Interactive tries to contextualize this number by comparing it to something all Americans know exists in abundance: Starbucks.

”Looking at the Federal Firearms License data, the first question I asked myself was, ‘Is that a lot—it sounds like a lot?’” Brian Beltz (https://twitter.com/buckleyourbeltz), who helped put the project together, tells CityLab. “That's why we chose to compare it to something that everyone knows and has a reputation of being on every corner.”

In their analysis, Beltz and colleagues found that there were

six gun dealers in the U.S for every Starbucks (of which there are 10,843, according to 2013 data (https://opendata.socrata.com/Business/All-Starbucks-Locations-in-the-US-Map/ddym-zvjk)).

Gun sellers also outnumber grocery stores (http://www.fmi.org/research-resources/supermarket-facts) (37,716 in 2014),

McDonald’s (http://www.businessinsider.com/more-gun-stores-in-america-than-grocery-stores-2012-12) (14,350 in 2014), and

total coffee shops (55,246 in 2016 (http://www.statista.com/statistics/196590/total-number-of-snack-and-coffee-shops-in-the-us-since-2002/)) in the U.S.

If gun collectors, manufacturers, and importers were all counted as gun dealers, the total number balloons to 138,659—far more than, say, the number of public schools in the country (98,328 in 2011-12 (https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84)).

http://www.citylab.com/crime/2016/01/map-gun-dealers-starbucks/423801/

And every single one of these gun dealers is scrupulously careful of who he sells to.

"fast and furious" ? :lol

[rmt]

Off-topic: why do people go to Starbucks? I can buy ORGANIC coffee at my local supermarket (I buy whenever it's buy one get one free) for so cheap compared to what Starbucks charges. I guess it's social? My brother's girlfriend works as a manager there (can you imagine only $10 per hour for a manager) and she says Starbucks spend more on healthcare than on coffee.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Gun Control 2016: Mexican Drug Cartels Are Using Firearms Purchased Legally In The US

Guns purchased legally in the U.S. don’t end up only in the hands of American criminals; they may also be finding their way into the possession of Mexican drug trafficking organizations.

Guns bought mostly in the Southwest United States account for roughly 70 percent of the weapons seized in Mexico from 2009 through 2014, a report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office (http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-16-223) says.

The report comes as the United States grapples with a national debate over gun control while mass shootings take place on an almost regular basis. President Barack Obama and the Democrats looking to replace him in 2017 have called for comprehensive firearm controls to be passed in Congress, but Republicans have firmly pushed back on the grounds that doing so would violate Second Amendment rights.

The GAO report relied on data analyzed year by year in which the Justice Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms traced weapons confiscated in Mexico back to their origins. Most of the guns were purchased legally at gun shows or gun shops in the U.S. before being brought south. The smugglers have also been complicating the tracing ability for investigators, who said the weapons are often being broken down into parts before being smuggled into Mexico.

Obama has repeatedly addressed the issue of gun control as president, though it was not until last week that he exercised his executive authority to expand background check requirements. Even with that action, and therecent avowal from U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch (http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/u-s-attorney-general-to-institutionalize-obama-gun-laws/) to ensure that those executive actions last beyond his presidency, many have said that his actions aren’t enough in the long run (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/nicole-hemmer/articles/2016-01-12/meaningful-action-on-gun-control-is-beyond-the-presidents-reach).

A recent poll (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-guns-idUSKCN0UQ2O220160113) shows that the majority of Americans support stricter measures.

http://www.ibtimes.com/gun-control-2016-mexican-drug-cartels-are-using-firearms-purchased-legally-us-2266128




Why must you always post articles that grossly misrepresent the facts? They even link the actual GOA report they misrepresent for fucks sake. "According to data from the Department of Justice's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), 73,684 firearms (about 70 percent) seized in Mexico and traced from 2009 to 2014 originated in the United States"

There is a huge difference between guns seized in Mexico and guns seized in traced. You lie and your article lies.

For example:

"And Mexico recovers a lot more guns than it submits to the U.S. In December 2008, Mexican Attorney General Eduardo Medina Mora put the number of recovered crime weapons in the country over the past two years at nearly 29,000, according to USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-12-10-drugwar_N.htm). And figures given by ATF make clear that the agency doesn’t trace nearly all of those.
According to ATF, Mexico submitted 7,743 firearms for tracing in fiscal year 2008 (which ended Oct. 1) and 3,312 guns in fiscal 2007.
"Not every weapon seized in Mexico has a serial number on it that would make it traceable, and the U.S. effort to trace weapons really only extends to weapons that have been in the U.S. market," Matt Allen, special agent of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/counting-mexicos-guns/

[Winehole23]

https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/faceinthecrowd_griffith__120703212620.jpg