The Spurs 'bigs' situation

[ElNono]

I was thinking about this about a week ago while watching Splitter out there with Brazil. The Howard trade just brought it back in my head.

Offensively, the only relatively consistent back to the basket guy we have is Tim, and even that is debatable. He's been morphing his game into more of a mid range shooter as seasons have gone by, mostly out of necessity to lower the toll on his body.

Diaw is a pass first guy, Splitter is a pick and roll guy, Bonner is Bonner, Blair has basically no offense. Except for Tim, none can create anything for themselves. Only Diaw and Tim have a mid range game.

Defensively, it just gets worse, IMO. Tim, at his age and with all his miles, is basically still our top interior defender. Diaw has a big body, but he isn't really athletic, or a guy known for his defense. I have to admit Splitter has been a disappointment in this area. He has the tools, but he picks up a lot of silly fouls or gets manhandled too easily. He just doesn't look out there like the alert, quick guy that screams defensive talent. And that's pretty much where it ends. Bonner and Blair might be ok to match up with the middle of the road teams, but their defense is basically below average.

Now, I know the Spurs can't just go out there and get Chandler. And while I yet don't have buyer's remorse spending the money on Diaw, I was hoping we would make a few more moves to shore up the middle a bit, especially on the defensive end.

What are your thoughts? Is this a realistic concern, or not? Are there any players still out there that could help?

[-21-]

Definitely a realistic concern. Tbh, just getting another big body would help no matter how much of a scrub he is. Here are some of the guys still in FA that I think could help.

Kenyon Martin
Anthony Tolliver
DJ White
Ivan Johnson

If you want someone 'big' to clog up the middle and get physical there are less options. Looking at the FA list on NBA.com these are the best guys I could find.

Shelden Williams
Darko Milicic
Lou Amundson
Jamaal Magloire
Greg Oden (if he plans to play this season)

[racm]

We've only trades and the vet min.

[Duncan2177]

Definitely a realistic concern. Tbh, just getting another big body would help no matter how much of a scrub he is. Here are some of the guys still in FA that I think could help.

Kenyon Martin
Anthony Tolliver
DJ White
Ivan Johnson

If you want someone 'big' to clog up the middle and get physical there are less options. Looking at the FA list on NBA.com these are the best guys I could find.

Shelden Williams
Darko Milicic
Lou Amundson
Jamaal Magloire
Greg Oden (if he plans to play this season)
Chris Anderson?

[LakerLanny]

You are hosed, Lakers look severely tall and skilled.

[Duncan2177]

You are hosed, Lakers look severely tall and skilled.

With Mike Brown as head coach, Good luck with that :lol

[8FOR!3]

Chris Anderson?

Isn't he facing child porn charges? I'd stay away from that if I'm San Antonio's FO.

[spurs10]

A defensive minded 'big' is a big concern. While I have to remind myself that we won a lot of games with our current lineup, I feel like the FO must be looking for someone. If rumors are correct they are trying to move Blair, but have no takers. I also have to remind myself that a full season and training camp with Diaw and Jax will be a real blessing. Didn't Tiago play next to Tim more often at the beginning of last season? Is it written in stone that Tiago can't play in the 4 spot?

Despite their character questions, I'm leaning toward K Mart and /or Blatche for the reasons ElNono mentioned. We need some tough defensive presence under the basket. I'm also counting on Kawhi and Green to pick up the perimeter defense. Diaw is the best 4 we've had in a long time, to be sure.

[Proxy]

Blatche seems like the last option. While he would be a risk, the other options seem like they would take miracles.

[rmt]

Pop needs to play TD and Splitter heavy minutes together so they can get used to each other. TD can play C on defense and PF on offense (jumpers). Splitter - Pf on defense and pick and roll with TP/Manu.

Spurs should try to trade Blair and some of their many guards (2s) for a PF. Any of the above mentioned: Martin, Darko, Oden even is worth the risk.

[DMC]

We're in smoke and mirrors mode right now (and have been for a few years). Pop found a magic formula to win regular season games and he had the team playing on all cylinders. You won't have that same dynamic if you bring in all these other guys to fill needs. It's hard to build a championship team, and the illusion that "we just need one good piece" seems to permeate these threads. The gap between a champion and the Spurs is much larger than it seems. The Thunder got destroyed and they destroyed the Spurs. There are other teams who didn't get that far who have better players, they are just trying to get it together.

So, if the goal is just to get to the playoffs again to keep the talking points going (consecutive playoff seasons or 50 game win seasons or whatever) then that's one thing, but there's absolutely no move the Spurs can make that will make them a championship contender.

[Calispursfan11]

OMG, like this topic hasn't been addressed ad nauseum... This has to be like the 30th "Spurs need another BIG" thread. Give it a rest.

[Texas_Ranger]

Bonner is still here so our bigs situation is pretty much fucked.

[Russ]

So, if the goal is just to get to the playoffs again to keep the talking points going (consecutive playoff seasons or 50 game win seasons or whatever) then that's one thing, but there's absolutely no move the Spurs can make that will make them a championship contender.

Harsh, but likely true.

However, I hold out hope for one "inside straight" type scenario -- an improbable "under-the-radar" return to Spurs D.

Why could it happen? Because defense is the one area that can be improved without getting the higest profile, highest paid free agent types. And defense can win titles (especially when the Spurs have pretty good offensive potential in reserve).

Why won't it happen? It's still a tall order to find the right pieces. Still very improbable, almost impossible. And for whatever reason, Pop seems to have given up on defense (at least publically).

So you're probably right -- offense and regular season wins sell tickets. And we'll all watch the sun set to the rhythm of that fading samba drumbeat.

[therealtruth]

Pop needs to play TD and Splitter heavy minutes together so they can get used to each other. TD can play C on defense and PF on offense (jumpers). Splitter - Pf on defense and pick and roll with TP/Manu.

Spurs should try to trade Blair and some of their many guards (2s) for a PF. Any of the above mentioned: Martin, Darko, Oden even is worth the risk.

I believe the big rotation should mostly be TD, TS, and Diaw. If Pop wants to decrease TD's minutes he can increase TS and Diaw's minutes and play small ball.

[ElNono]

OMG, like this topic hasn't been addressed ad nauseum... This has to be like the 30th "Spurs need another BIG" thread. Give it a rest.

OMG thanks for your opinion

[Duncan2177]

Bonner is still here so our bigs situation is pretty much fucked.

Pop thinks otherwise of course. Pathetic

[spurs10]

We're in smoke and mirrors mode right now (and have been for a few years). Pop found a magic formula to win regular season games and he had the team playing on all cylinders. You won't have that same dynamic if you bring in all these other guys to fill needs. It's hard to build a championship team, and the illusion that "we just need one good piece" seems to permeate these threads. The gap between a champion and the Spurs is much larger than it seems. The Thunder got destroyed and they destroyed the Spurs. There are other teams who didn't get that far who have better players, they are just trying to get it together.

So, if the goal is just to get to the playoffs again to keep the talking points going (consecutive playoff seasons or 50 game win seasons or whatever) then that's one thing, but there's absolutely no move the Spurs can make that will make them a championship contender.
You are probably right, but they were looking mighty strong before they came up a couple wins short of the Finals. Our chances are a lot better if we can get some help for TD, TS, and Diaw. We added two important pieces at the end of last season, so it's really not adding just one player. Jax, Diaw, and Kawhi have at least improved our chances of doing something. Another championship??? No, probably not, but I wasn't thinking we'd sweep our way into the WCF last year either...
:flag:

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

We need to flip Blair and Bonner and Neal and Pop's wine cellar and TD's collection of hardback, 2nd edition AD+D manuals for Ilyasova, but that's not going to happen, so we may as well resign ourselves to an entertaining regular season and, barring major injuries to Fakers/OKC, a first or second round playoff exit. C'est la vie. :depressed

[racm]

We need to flip Blair and Bonner and Neal and Pop's wine cellar and TD's collection of hardback, 2nd edition AD+D manuals for Ilyasova, but that's not going to happen, so we may as well resign ourselves to an entertaining regular season and, barring major injuries to Fakers/OKC, a first or second round playoff exit. C'est la vie. :depressed



Injuries? Blatche can help with that, all he gotta do is elbow Dwight in the back or break Durant's arm.

[sananspursfan21]

Injuries? Blatche can help with that, all he gotta do is elbow Dwight in the back or break Durant's arm.

Howard vs. Blatche, a pay per view matchup with more potential than a mayweather Pacquio fight

[rr2418]

OMG, like this topic hasn't been addressed ad nauseum... This has to be like the 30th "Spurs need another BIG" thread. Give it a rest.


You could actually NOT click on this thread! :rolleyes

[SenorSpur]

A defensive minded 'big' is a big concern. While I have to remind myself that we won a lot of games with our current lineup, I feel like the FO must be looking for someone. If rumors are correct they are trying to move Blair, but have no takers. I also have to remind myself that a full season and training camp with Diaw and Jax will be a real blessing. Didn't Tiago play next to Tim more often at the beginning of last season? Is it written in stone that Tiago can't play in the 4 spot?

Despite their character questions, I'm leaning toward K Mart and /or Blatche for the reasons ElNono mentioned. We need some tough defensive presence under the basket. I'm also counting on Kawhi and Green to pick up the perimeter defense. Diaw is the best 4 we've had in a long time, to be sure.

Or rather the lack of, but I know what you meant.

The concern I have is that there just hasn't been a real sense of urgency to upgrade the frontline around Duncan - at least the past 3-4 seasons. Diaw has been a nice addition, yet he's still undersized. Which leads me to my next concern. Pop's continued insistence in employing 2 bigs that are both undersized and underskilled is mind-boggling. We all know what Bonner is, and more importantly, what he isn't. The experiment has failed and his time on this team should have been up a year ago. Meanwhile, Blair, who has been serviceable during the regular season, has seemingly gone off the edge and has also outstayed his usefulness. The overall sheer lack of size, skill and athleticism around Duncan is quite alarming. At age 35, there is absolutely no reason for Duncan to continue having to be the best big on this team. A better complement of bigs around him is long overdue. However, as of now, there just aren't many options now for the Spurs.

The Howard acquisition by the Fakers, ceremoniously locked the window that the Thunder closed shut, on the Spurs, this past spring.

[Strategic]

[QUOTE=ElNono;6070150]
Offensively, the only relatively consistent back to the basket guy we have is Tim, and even that is debatable.

I think you're confusing debatable with a debacle. Maybe the reason the FO has been loading up on 2 and 3 position players is because Timmy needs to throw the ball back out. This only works if the low post player is a real scoring threat, which Timmy isn't at this point. All of the teams strategizing was just super trumped by the lakers bank roll. Only money will speak now!

[ElNono]

^ I think the Spurs expected a better post game from Splitter to complement... he did show some of that in Spain, but obviously there the competition was fairly subpar...
That relegated his offense to basically pick & roll, which dropped him into the pile of players we have that cannot create for themselves, and, as you said, doesn't really let you run an inside-out game

[SpurNation]

It's got to take a trade. Splitter's confidence was mortally wounded against OKC and it seemed to carry over to the Olympics. Don't how strong mentally he may be as a player after being subjected to last year's WCF's but an interesting article begs to ask if he can overcome.
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/buckharvey/2012/08/splitter-out-and-maybe-his-demons-are-too/

As far as your question of who out of the list of players still available...I would pick a player that would add defensive toughness around the rim. Amundsen? Milicic?

As we know...offense wasn't the issue last year for the Spurs and don't see it as an issue next season. Defensive toughness on the interior was it's weakest suit often needing Spurs perimeter players to cheat inside to provide assistance for it's bigs.

But more so was the lack of athleticism from the interior bigs. And an issue that presents itself competing against the athletic youth of some of the Spurs formidable opponents next season in OKC, Memphis, Miami, Chicago and now LA.

Can't turn back time, can't teach height AND athleticism. Good question posed with no real answer in sight barring a trade for that kind of talent.

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

The Howard trade might be the motivation needed for Pop/RC to finally look to add size. The window is already shut, so any likely addition won't put the team back into contention. Still, maybe this Howard debacle is what it takes for Pop/RC to become more serious in changing the big man rotation, i.e, getting rid off Bonner. But more likely, I see the Spurs shooting for another regular season championship with what they have. And that's probably this team's ceiling anyway. So might as well try to enjoy the ride and support Pop as he moves up in the pantheon of all-time wins.

[venitian navigator]

The free agents still available that, imho, are still worth to be considered by the Spurs are Martin, Blatche, Delfino and Childress.

If the FO likes the players I see for all of the above mentioned free agents a legitimate chance to be added to the team.

Martin it's true he wants more than the minimum, but it's also true that be part of a team with a legitimate chance to compete for a championship could be a good push for him to accept a role in the Spurs team.

Blatche and Childress could see the Spurs their best chance to revamp their nba careers after bad seasons...both are still yoing enough to learn aoour system, have very good potential and both, in next three years, are probably not gonna have offers exceeding the money they're already gonna take 'cause of the amnesty.

Delfino, if is not reached by some offer he can't refuse, could well decide to join his olimpic teammate Manu, after a good showing in London, for a good championship race.

Only other chance to improve the team is go in the trade route, having only Neal, Blair and Bonner as tradable pieces... but I frankly don't see a player with a so much more value than them we could gain from another nba team. But if the FO wants and have the chance to add more than one of the above mentioned free agents, a trade, also for (decent) draft choices, will have to be made just for having more roster spots...

[CGD]

Kenyon Martin
Anthony Tolliver
DJ White
Ivan Johnson



I remember we signed Tolliver and the FO was really high on him. I wonder why we soured on him so fast given he's till in the league. He looked to have the makings of that stretch 4 with better defense than Bonner.

[SenorSpur]

I remember we signed Tolliver and the FO was really high on him. I wonder why we soured on him so fast given he's till in the league. He looked to have the makings of that stretch 4 with better defense than Bonner.

I wondered whether or not Tolliver was still available. It would be wise for the Spurs to swap out Bonner for him. Of course, it'll never happen though.

[spurs10]

They are all in London. Perhaps when they return something will get done.

[elemento]

SA obviously has a problem defensively, but putting it in the back of Splitter, who plays only 19 minutes a game or Diaw, who basically played only half a season in SA, is not fair at all.

The problem goes way beyond that.

SA doesn’t have a reliable go-to player to carry SA to a championship. Manu isn’t good enough as a go-to player, plus he is always hurt. Parker isn’t good enough as well.

Manu and Parker are good complementary players, but it has always been all about Timmy. Timmy is no longer a dominant force both ends and good role players like Splitter and Boris won’t change that. Timmy doesn’t attract double-teams anymore and good perimeter players are not afraid to drive at will against San Antonio.

I think it’s time to realize that once Timmy’s game started to decline, SA’s game declined a lot, especially defensively. He made everything possible for SA.

Quite honestly, we simply have to enjoy Timmy’s last years as a Spur. It was a damn good ride. To expect SA to find the savior BIG with min contracts is not very realistic at all.

[Duncan2177]

SA obviously has a problem defensively, but putting it in the back of Splitter, who plays only 19 minutes a game or Diaw, who basically played only half a season in SA, is not fair at all.

The problem goes way beyond that.

SA doesn’t have a reliable go-to player to carry SA to a championship. Manu isn’t good enough as a go-to player, plus he is always hurt. Parker isn’t good enough as well.

Manu and Parker are good complementary players, but it has always been all about Timmy. Timmy is no longer a dominant force both ends and good role players like Splitter and Boris won’t change that. Timmy doesn’t attract double-teams anymore and good perimeter players are not afraid to drive at will against San Antonio.

I think it’s time to realize that once Timmy’s game started to decline, SA’s game declined a lot, especially defensively. He made everything possible for SA.

Quite honestly, we simply have to enjoy Timmy’s last years as a Spur. It was a damn good ride. To expect SA to find the savior BIG with min contracts is not very realistic at all.

http://www.bit-101.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Yeah-well-you-know-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man.jpg

[DMC]

It's not that I have lost hope in the Spurs because I haven't. I still love watching them play as long as they stay true to the game and play the brand of basketball they're known for playing. I prefer that over monkeyball (but an occasional foray into the jungle is fun). I don't, however, fool myself to the point of being suicidal when reality sets in. I think Pop's job is to field the best team he can for the money and have them playing as best as they can. Outside of that it's really a geographical and human free will issue as the bulk of really good players who are still young enough to be effective in the post season are not migrating to low profile cities. No one on the Timberwolves or Spurs is shooting a movie for Disney or Warner Brothers.

[spurs10]

SA obviously has a problem defensively, but putting it in the back of Splitter, who plays only 19 minutes a game or Diaw, who basically played only half a season in SA, is not fair at all.

The problem goes way beyond that.

SA doesn’t have a reliable go-to player to carry SA to a championship. Manu isn’t good enough as a go-to player, plus he is always hurt. Parker isn’t good enough as well.

Manu and Parker are good complementary players, but it has always been all about Timmy. Timmy is no longer a dominant force both ends and good role players like Splitter and Boris won’t change that. Timmy doesn’t attract double-teams anymore and good perimeter players are not afraid to drive at will against San Antonio.

I think it’s time to realize that once Timmy’s game started to decline, SA’s game declined a lot, especially defensively. He made everything possible for SA.

Quite honestly, we simply have to enjoy Timmy’s last years as a Spur. It was a damn good ride. To expect SA to find the savior BIG with min contracts is not very realistic at all.
I idea of enjoying the end of Tim and Manu's careers is realistically where we are. Although Diaw, Jax, Manu, Kawhi, and Tony were a decent support cast, they're were many others that dropped the ball at the wrong time. We can't play Diaw 48 minutes a game and he doesn't have a back up. The closest we have is Blair, and Blair playing next to Tiago doesn't seem to resonant with Pop. Bonner is a liability in any high pressure situation, so this thread is a legitimate concern.

Another ring? That's pretty far fetched..........

[spurs10]

It's not that I have lost hope in the Spurs because I haven't. I still love watching them play as long as they stay true to the game and play the brand of basketball they're known for playing. I prefer that over monkeyball (but an occasional foray into the jungle is fun). I don't, however, fool myself to the point of being suicidal when reality sets in. I think Pop's job is to field the best team he can for the money and have them playing as best as they can. Outside of that it's really a geographical and human free will issue as the bulk of really good players who are still young enough to be effective in the post season are not migrating to low profile cities. No one on the Timberwolves or Spurs is shooting a movie for Disney or Warner Brothers.
Disney isn't picking up The Sandwich Hunter?? The rest of what you said is dead on.

[dunkman]

The Spurs have to make a trade to add an all-star PF tbh.

[SpurNation]

SA obviously has a problem defensively, but putting it in the back of Splitter, who plays only 19 minutes a game or Diaw, who basically played only half a season in SA, is not fair at all.

The problem goes way beyond that.

SA doesn’t have a reliable go-to player to carry SA to a championship. Manu isn’t good enough as a go-to player, plus he is always hurt. Parker isn’t good enough as well.

Manu and Parker are good complementary players, but it has always been all about Timmy. Timmy is no longer a dominant force both ends and good role players like Splitter and Boris won’t change that. Timmy doesn’t attract double-teams anymore and good perimeter players are not afraid to drive at will against San Antonio.

I think it’s time to realize that once Timmy’s game started to decline, SA’s game declined a lot, especially defensively. He made everything possible for SA.

Quite honestly, we simply have to enjoy Timmy’s last years as a Spur. It was a damn good ride. To expect SA to find the savior BIG with min contracts is not very realistic at all.

REALLY?

OK. It's not ALL the fault of role players. But Tiago was never expected to be just a "role" player. Maybe there was "too" much expectation from him coming from Europe as the MVP and he has shown his true self. But this has nothing to do with Tony or Manu. They have been the consummate left and right hand of Tim. The reason this team has ever been this strong for this long with Duncan.

Feel free (as many of us do) to have reservations about things of the past that (could) have helped this team achieve another championship. But REALLY?...Parker and Manu?

[ElNono]

This thread is about the situation with our 'bigs'... the question isn't if we can win another ship or anything like that...

The questions go more like: Are the Spurs happy with the makeup and depth of their 'bigs'? Should they be? Is the lack of versatility on those positions a legitimate concern?

[SpurNation]

The questions go more like: Are the Spurs happy with the makeup and depth of their 'bigs'? Should they be? Is the lack of versatility on those positions a legitimate concern?

Should be No to the first and second question. Yes to the last question.

As an arm chair GM....the question is...what would you do? I say swing for the fences first. If that doesn't work...get what you can. If that doesn't work...Spurs go into next season with what they got.

Go Spurs Go!!!

[ElNono]

I actually suspect they're mostly happy with that they have (just a gut feeling, obviously) up to the last big (Blair). If that's the case, I can't particularly agree given what I wrote in the OP.

[Bruno]

So, some of you don't think Blair and Bonner are quality bigs?
WoW, I'm chocked. I've never noticed it.

Spurs "bigs" situation is damn obvious and easy to analyze: Duncan is still very good but he is aging, Diaw and Splitter are average, Bonner and Blair are bad. As a whole, Spurs aren't fine at PF/C.

Once the obvious state of Spurs bigs have been said, there is another evidence to say: getting quality bigs is really hard. People have to be patient because, even if Spurs are trying as hard as they can at improving their frontcourt, it isn't an easy task. Hopefully, at some point of the season, there will have an opportunity to improve the frontcourt and Spurs will take it.

[ElNono]

Duncan is still very good but he is aging

I actually suspect this will be even more of an issue this season, with 82 regular season games, and the west possibly even more competitive in those positions than last season (addition of Howard, Davis, Brand)....

[TD 21]

People have to be patient because, even if Spurs are trying as hard as they can at improving their frontcourt, it isn't an easy task. Hopefully, at some point of the season, there will have an opportunity to improve the frontcourt and Spurs will take it.

People have been patient enough. This is something that they've needed to address, really, since Robinson retired and indisputably so since '08. That shouldn't take 4 or 8 years; not when you're trying to contend, at least. We're not talking about a Howard or Gasol, just someone's who's a legit second big and fills their obvious needs in a big (other than Mahinmi, they haven't even taken a flier on someone with the physical tools they need). Basically, someone slightly under All-Star caliber.

What's worse, I don't think they're really trying to improve the front court. I honestly think they're fine with a Duncan-Diaw-Splitter-Bonner big rotation. I think they'd like to add a Blatche or Martin, but with the intent of mostly being the fifth big (especially Blatche).

I've said it before and I'll say it again: they need to target Smith. Not only can they can put together a competitive package, but it doesn't hurt that Ferry is now running the Hawks. And don't give me this "they don't have anywhere near enough" nonsense. We've seen O'Neal, McGrady, Garnett, Gasol and Howard, all within' the past eight years, dealt for far less than what many thought they'd go for and every one of them was in a different league than Smith. We've also seen plenty of examples of front office people doing favors for friends in other front offices. Given that damn near everyone in the league has come from the Pop tree, it'd be nice if this actually payed off one of these days.

[ElNono]

People have been patient enough. This is something that they've needed to address, really, since Robinson retired and indisputably so since '08. That shouldn't take 4 or 8 years; not when you're trying to contend, at least. We're not talking about a Howard or Gasol, just someone's who's a legit second big and fills their obvious needs in a big (other than Mahinmi, they haven't even taken a flier on someone with the physical tools they need). Basically, someone slightly under All-Star caliber.

To be fair, they did took a flyer with McDyess, presumably trying to address that. Unfortunately, he was over the hill (even though I loved to have him as a Spur).

[SpurNation]

I actually suspect they're mostly happy with that they have (just a gut feeling, obviously) up to the last big (Blair). If that's the case, I can't particularly agree given what I wrote in the OP.
Lets just hope the reports about Blair's offseason routines are true and that he comes back a more improved player if the Spurs aren't going to trade any of their bigs.

[RodNIc91]

I think that the FO is barely fine with the situation because they feel that internal improvements will benefit Splitter and Diaw a lot; mostly Tiago. However I believe that they are looking at any possible situation. One thing Im looking forward to is if they will be willing to deal bonner (Is any front office stupid enough to take him? Then again GSW took RJ). If I had to guess (bearing in mind the possibility that they won't be able to sign anyone before the start of the season) I'd say they would push hard for a trade December-January. Plus don't forget that maybe Dawson comes in. For me our 'Bigs' stands as 2 and a half bigs.

[therealtruth]

If we get back the Splitter that helped us go 8-1 during the RRT I think we will be doing pretty good.

[therealtruth]

So, some of you don't think Blair and Bonner are quality bigs?
WoW, I'm chocked. I've never noticed it.

Spurs "bigs" situation is damn obvious and easy to analyze: Duncan is still very good but he is aging, Diaw and Splitter are average, Bonner and Blair are bad. As a whole, Spurs aren't fine at PF/C.

Once the obvious state of Spurs bigs have been said, there is another evidence to say: getting quality bigs is really hard. People have to be patient because, even if Spurs are trying as hard as they can at improving their frontcourt, it isn't an easy task. Hopefully, at some point of the season, there will have an opportunity to improve the frontcourt and Spurs will take it.

Yeah it's really hard. That's why everyday you hear a big signing with a team. They don't need to be perfect they just need to better than Blair/Bonner.

[elemento]

REALLY?

OK. It's not ALL the fault of role players. But Tiago was never expected to be just a "role" player. Maybe there was "too" much expectation from him coming from Europe as the MVP and he has shown his true self. But this has nothing to do with Tony or Manu. They have been the consummate left and right hand of Tim. The reason this team has ever been this strong for this long with Duncan.

Feel free (as many of us do) to have reservations about things of the past that (could) have helped this team achieve another championship. But REALLY?...Parker and Manu?

Really.

Never took any credit from Manu or Parker in Duncan's ternure. Both are great players and I am a huge Manu fan.

I simply said they're not good enough as go-to players to carry this team to a championship. No shame on that. Only a few players in the NBA can truly carry a team to a championship as go-to players. Duncan could, but can't anymore. Parker and Manu can't.

Once Timmy's game declined, our chances to win went from big to slim, just like that. But if you guys believe Parker or Manu can lead the Spurs to win a championship, feel free to disagree.

As for the situation of our BIGs, I feel that the FO is fine with Duncan and Boris as their starting BIGs and with Splitter as Duncan's backup. I disagree with the OP about Diaw's defense. To me his defense was really good, especially considering how out of shape he was. His low-post defense is very good and he is a really smart defender. He knows how to be in a good position and when to help. He simply needs to be in shape and motivated.

Offensively, yes he is very passive and it's not old news. Once OKC realized it, they simply ignored him and SA's offense took a big hit. Let's see if a whole pre-season with SA helps him in this aspect.

As for Tiago, I don't know if you guys watched him in Spain, but he was never a low-post scorer. I don't even know why some of you guys are complaining about it. He is a p&r roll BIG and has always been one. It's just like complaining about Neal's lack of ball-handling/PG skills when he is a spot-up shooter SG. He shouldn't be playing big minutes as a PG, just like Splitter shouldn't spend too much time in the low-post. That's not their "thing".

With only 19 minutes a game, i'd say Splitter is doing a good job backing up Duncan.

9.3 points/5.2 rebounds/0.8 block FG 61.8% / TS 64.9% PER 20.5 19 min per game

Those are solid numbers for a backup Center.

As for Blair and Bonner I simply don't know what to say. Bonner is the RS fool's gold and Blair is the BIG body that could play significant minutes in the RS to keep the Duncan/Diaw fresh for the playoffs, but once SA gets there, he is useless.

[thOOdee]

I can't believe bonner has been on this team since 2006! when will it end!

[JonNOKC]

Probably nothing to this, but fwiw

http://forums.hoopshype.com/forums/index.php?topic=76187.0

I remember RC liking the guy before draft two years ago

[ElNono]

As for Tiago, I don't know if you guys watched him in Spain, but he was never a low-post scorer. I don't even know why some of you guys are complaining about it. He is a p&r roll BIG and has always been one.

I don't know about that, tbh... I recall seeing him play quite a bit with his back to the basket... you look at videos like this:

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and nearly half his stuff was down low with that weird ass hook that has no place in the NBA.

[elemento]

It's basically HL stuff. Even though he appears in the low-post in the HL, that wasn't a big part of his game at all.

His hook shot has an ugly form and the release is not very high. May work sometimes, but probably won't most of the time. (in the NBA it did not)

I am Brazilian and i could be a homer here, but the fact is that Splitter's low-post game is basic and nothing special. He may improve in this area, but simply keep your hopes not really high.

Now if Pop works more in p&r plays involving Manu, Parker and Splitter, then we may have a different story.

[ElNono]

It's basically HL stuff. Even though he appears in the low-post in the HL, that wasn't a big part of his game at all.

His hook shot has an ugly form and the release is not very high. May work sometimes, but probably won't most of the time. (in the NBA it did not)

I am Brazilian and i could be a homer here, but the fact is that Splitter's low-post game is basic and nothing special. He may improve in this area, but simply keep your hopes not really high.

Now if Pop works more in p&r plays involving Manu, Parker and Splitter, then we may have a different story.

He has all the tools to be a back to the basket guy. Maybe he'll develop it, I dunno. We definitely need variety out there, IMO. Everything is outside-in and OKC made it look easy in those last 4 games...

All that said, as far as Splitter is concerned, I'm much more disappointed in his defense, tbh... he's young and can probably improve, but even in Brazil you can see him getting manhandled a lot by even smaller guys. I think he's going to need to bulk up a bit and even then I'm not sure he really can be a solid solution for defense inside.

[dunkman]

Really.

Never took any credit from Manu or Parker in Duncan's ternure. Both are great players and I am a huge Manu fan.

I simply said they're not good enough as go-to players to carry this team to a championship. No shame on that. Only a few players in the NBA can truly carry a team to a championship as go-to players. Duncan could, but can't anymore. Parker and Manu can't.

Once Timmy's game declined, our chances to win went from big to slim, just like that. But if you guys believe Parker or Manu can lead the Spurs to win a championship, feel free to disagree.

As for the situation of our BIGs, I feel that the FO is fine with Duncan and Boris as their starting BIGs and with Splitter as Duncan's backup. I disagree with the OP about Diaw's defense. To me his defense was really good, especially considering how out of shape he was. His low-post defense is very good and he is a really smart defender. He knows how to be in a good position and when to help. He simply needs to be in shape and motivated.

Offensively, yes he is very passive and it's not old news. Once OKC realized it, they simply ignored him and SA's offense took a big hit. Let's see if a whole pre-season with SA helps him in this aspect.

As for Tiago, I don't know if you guys watched him in Spain, but he was never a low-post scorer. I don't even know why some of you guys are complaining about it. He is a p&r roll BIG and has always been one. It's just like complaining about Neal's lack of ball-handling/PG skills when he is a spot-up shooter SG. He shouldn't be playing big minutes as a PG, just like Splitter shouldn't spend too much time in the low-post. That's not their "thing".

With only 19 minutes a game, i'd say Splitter is doing a good job backing up Duncan.

9.3 points/5.2 rebounds/0.8 block FG 61.8% / TS 64.9% PER 20.5 19 min per game

Those are solid numbers for a backup Center.

As for Blair and Bonner I simply don't know what to say. Bonner is the RS fool's gold and Blair is the BIG body that could play significant minutes in the RS to keep the Duncan/Diaw fresh for the playoffs, but once SA gets there, he is useless.

I think that a good backup PF ain't be sufficient to get out of the west. Diaw and Splitter should be backups, Duncan is still one of the best NBA bigs, what is missing is a starter quality PF. The Spurs will try to sign K-Mart or some other player to get released mid-season, but maybe they should make a trade.

[racm]

I'm thinking that the Dwight trade has forced PATFO to work out a trade. Quality bigs don't sign for the vet min so easily.

But they're the kind of FO that hides their hand until everything's worked out (just look at the recent re-signings; we knew they were happening, but the news didn't leak until 24 hours before it was official).

[Bruno]

Probably nothing to this, but fwiw

http://forums.hoopshype.com/forums/index.php?topic=76187.0

I remember RC liking the guy before draft two years ago

I don't know if they are some kind of truth to it but Patrick Patterson would be a good target fort the backup PF spot. Trading Blair and Neal for him would be a fine deal. I wouldn't go as far as giving up too a first round pick after his bad sophomore season.

[JonNOKC]

I don't know if they are some kind of truth to it but Patrick Patterson would be a good target fort the backup PF spot. Trading Blair and Neal for him would be a fine deal. I wouldn't go as far as giving up too a first round pick after his bad sophomore season.

Bruno or anyone else do you know what player might be involve or why the trade would not be able to be complete until after 8/27 - I couldn't think of anything significant about that date but maybe I am missing something obvious

[Capt Bringdown]

Bonner is still here so our bigs situation is pretty much fucked.

Blair too.

Bottom line, I'm sick of these turds and would love to see the Spurs roll the dice on other options.
"Maybe this year Bonner/Blair will stop sucking," is an ironclad plan for playoff failure.

[racm]

Bruno or anyone else do you know what player might be involve or why the trade would not be able to be complete until after 8/27 - I couldn't think of anything significant about that date but maybe I am missing something obvious

Rookies who have signed their contracts cannot be traded until one full month after they signed, IIRC.

[ace3g]

Rockets do have 25 players on their roster right now (if you include Delfino)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/hou/roster

So maybe there is some truth to this trade rumor, Houston needs to unload some of those players

[MR-Clutch]

July 27th the rockets signed lin. I think I saw they introduced Asik on that date. Terrence jones was signed on the 25t, not sure about the other rookies. I also saw that they completed that trade with Boston on that day. On my phone or I would research it more.

[ace3g]

Based on ESPN trade machine:

Shaun Livingston trade restriction ends Aug 27th? Same for Jon Brockman.

Royce White and Jeremy Lamb restriction ends Aug 26th, but I doubt Rockets trade them.

So some of the details from the post do line up... I guess we will have to wait and see.

I'd easily take a PF/C roster of: Timmy, Diaw, Splitter, Patterson, and Blatche? over Bonner/Blair.

[8FOR!3]

They have 25 players on their roster and I think 11 or 12 of them are bigs. Yeah, considering they could legitimately have an entire roster full of bigs...it's probably safe to say they're trying to make a few trades.

[SpurNation]

So maybe there is some truth to this trade rumor, Houston needs to unload some of those players

I'd be happy to take Marcus Morris off their hands.
(at this point I'd insert a smilie to indicate I know that won't happen...but there isn't one.) :)

[SenorSpur]

I don't know if they are some kind of truth to it but Patrick Patterson would be a good target fort the backup PF spot. Trading Blair and Neal for him would be a fine deal. I wouldn't go as far as giving up too a first round pick after his bad sophomore season.

If there is any truth to this rumor, I'd say HELL YEAH!. DO IT!.

[monkeypunk]

I don't know if they are some kind of truth to it but Patrick Patterson would be a good target fort the backup PF spot. Trading Blair and Neal for him would be a fine deal. I wouldn't go as far as giving up too a first round pick after his bad sophomore season.

If the Rockets have a surplus of players, I don't see them taking back 2 and giving up 1.

[bklynspursfan]

If the Rockets have a surplus of players, I don't see them taking back 2 and giving up 1.

Well the original post did say something about a 3rd team needing to be involved. But I agree, I don't see why the Rockets would take more than they are giving out at this point.

[elemento]

If that rumor has some merit, the Rockets probably get a pick from a 3rd team involved. SA sends Neal + Blair to a 3rd team and receives Patterson from HOU.

I would be ok with that.

[monkeypunk]

Missed the part about the third team. I'd give up Blair and Neal for Patterson all day, as long as we aren't throwing in a first as well. I might give up a second.

[pad300]

Another reason why they might take a 2 for 1 with Neal and Blair: IIRC Blair is un-guaranteed.

[-21-]

I'd do that trade if we don't lose a 1st rounder.

[SpurNation]

It won't allow it to list as a successful trade because Washington would need to cut only $10,500.00 in order to work. But Blair and Neal to the Wizards...Patterson to the Spurs and Jordan Crawford to Houston would work if some how a mere $11,000.00 could be negotiated.

Neal's hometown team and Blair's east coast return? Houston solidifying their SG position? Spurs with a young and talented PF to develop?

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

a trade with the Hawks being the 3rd team works.

Patterson to Spurs

Teague to Rockets

Blair, Neal, & Forbes to Hawks

probably some 2nd round picks to Hawks as well.

[Sandman52]

Has Patterson grown a few inches? Not sure I like using our main trade assets (besides Tiago) for a sub-6'10 PF. I'd hope that Blatche would be the next shoe to drop.

[ElNono]

Has Patterson grown a few inches? Not sure I like using our main trade assets (besides Tiago) for a sub-6'10 PF. I'd hope that Blatche would be the next shoe to drop.

When you have Blair, everybody looks tall, tbh

[ace3g]

From what I see in video, Patterson is a big 6'9.

[TD 21]

Based on ESPN trade machine:

Shaun Livingston trade restriction ends Aug 27th? Same for Jon Brockman.

Royce White and Jeremy Lamb restriction ends Aug 26th, but I doubt Rockets trade them.

So some of the details from the post do line up... I guess we will have to wait and see.

I'd easily take a PF/C roster of: Timmy, Diaw, Splitter, Patterson, and Blatche? over Bonner/Blair.

If one of them is bound for the Spurs in this trade, then it's got to be Brockman. My sense is that if the Spurs acquire Patterson, Bonner is sent packing. Patterson isn't some big time established player or nothing, but I don't think they'd acquire him with the intent of having him be the fifth big. And I also don't think they'd go into the season with the intent of having Bonner as the fifth big. And if you look at the rumored third teams, the Hawks and Wizards could both use stretch fours.

I don't want Brockman, though. He's fine as a fifth big when you have a big rotation like the Lakers. But the Spurs, as we all know, need a fifth big who's really a top four caliber big and he's not that. He does possess bulk and is a strong rebounder (offensive, in particular), two things that aren't exactly in abundance amongst the bigs on this team. But still; he's a severely limited player. I'd much rather Johnson.

I doubt they'd sign Blatche if they acquire Patterson. I think the whole notion of signing Blatche is predicated on having him eventually take over for Bonner. But if they brought in Patterson to do that, then where does Blatche fit? The big rotation would seemingly be set for at least the next two years.

[ace3g]

If the Spurs target is Patterson then Livingston or Brockman will go to the 3rd team, and Rockets will receive cash/picks (with their current roster size they don't want players back).

[TD 21]

If the Spurs target is Patterson then Livingston or Brockman will go to the 3rd team, and Rockets will receive cash/picks (with their current roster size they don't want players back).

Probably. But remember, if Blair and Bonner are outgoing and only Patterson is incoming, then the Spurs need another big and a guy like Brockman is a cheap expiring contract, so there is a possibility that he'd also go to the Spurs.

About Patterson: He's 6-9.25 in shoes and though he's listed at 235, he's much stronger than what that would indicate. He's strong enough to possibly take a turn defending some of the beefier fives, which, when combined with his 15-20 foot range, would make him an ideal two way fit next to Splitter. Think of him as a post knee injury McDyess. He's more athletic and not as good a rebounder, but he's in that mold.

[JonNOKC]

Looks like this guy updated trade earlier today....umm not real sure what to think

http://forums.hoopshype.com/forums/index.php?topic=76187.0

like either scenario ok for the Spurs but not sure makes enough sense for TOR to be the real deal unless they like Blair quite a bit. Alot to be worked out with draft picks and player rights it appears. The fan in me wants this to be true Patterson is an upgrade to the front line for sure IMO

[ace3g]

Source says possibility of simpler trade being done which sends PAtterson to SA, Blair to TOR, Neal & unguaranteed to HOU along with some fillers (picks/rights to TOR and HOU)

That was more along the lines of what I was thinking, wouldn't want or need Livingston (have enough guards).

[TD 21]

Neither trade works. As the person claims, the Raptors would be sending out nothing, but obtaining two players (two bigs, no less). That makes no sense whatsoever, when you consider that they're stocked with bigs as is: Bargnani, Valanciunas, Davis, Johnson, Gray and Acy. The first four are rotation locks and the fifth was in their rotation last season. This would have to be a prelude to them trading one of their bigs, or else there's no way they'd do this.

As for the "simpler trade", the Spurs can't obtain Patterson for only Blair; they'd have to throw in Byars to make it work.

[JonNOKC]

That was more along the lines of what I was thinking, wouldn't want or need Livingston (have enough guards).

I agree, the other trade make less sense other than allowing HOU to unload more salary and to reacquire the Red Rocket...:lol


Some interesting thoughts there with TOR being interested in Hanga's rights would imagine their would be interest in Bertrans as well. ASSUMING this guy actually has good source sounds like SA can make this happen if they really want Patterson just would come down to how much does it cost in players and picks and at what point are you giving too much

[JonNOKC]

Neither trade works. As the person claims, the Raptors would be sending out nothing, but obtaining two players (two bigs, no less). That makes no sense whatsoever, when you consider that they're stocked with bigs as is: Bargnani, Valanciunas, Davis, Johnson, Gray and Acy. The first four are rotation locks and the fifth was in their rotation last season. This would have to be a prelude to them trading one of their bigs; otherwise, there's no way they'd do this.

As for the "simpler trade", the Spurs can't obtain Patterson for only Blair; they'd have to throw in Byars to make it work.

I think that is who guy is referring to when he said Neal and unguaranteed would go to Houston unless we have some other non guaranteed contract to work with....I dont know

[ace3g]

Neither trade works. As the person claims, the Raptors would be sending out nothing, but obtaining two players (two bigs, no less). That makes no sense whatsoever, when you consider that they're stocked with bigs as is: Bargnani, Valanciunas, Davis, Johnson, Gray and Acy. The first four are rotation locks and the fifth was in their rotation last season. This would have to be a prelude to them trading one of their bigs, or else there's no way they'd do this.

As for the "simpler trade", the Spurs can't obtain Patterson for only Blair; they'd have to throw in Byars to make it work.

The simpler trade does work, the guy with source mentions:


Source says possibility of simpler trade being done which sends PAtterson to SA, Blair to TOR, Neal & unguarnteed to HOU along with some fillers (picks/rights to TOR and HOU)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9mm7ezd

[DPG21920]

I'd be fine with Patterson for Blair/Neal. Not normally but with the logjam at guard and contract situation, I'd definitely be good with it.

[JonNOKC]

The simpler trade does work, the guy with source mentions:



http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9mm7ezd

that looks more possible - also the following would work with Houston getting some pick(s) and/or maybe rights to ????

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9fxqovw

either scenario makes alot more sense for raptors

[ace3g]

At least there is are a few blueprints possible for a trade here. Seems like the kicker is the picks involved.

[TD 21]

The simpler trade does work, the guy with source mentions:



http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9mm7ezd

You're right; it works financially from a Spurs perspective. I forgot to account for Neal.

But overall, it still doesn't work. How could it? The Raptors aren't sending anything out. You can't acquire player(s) for nothing. Even when it's really nothing (like the top 55 protect '16 2nd round pick the Spurs acquired in the Ratliff trade), it still technically has to be something.

[DPG21920]

Other details could emerge that make sense. This is a shell of a deal.

[JonNOKC]

You're right; it works financially from a Spurs perspective. I forgot to account for Neal.

But overall, it still doesn't work. How could it? The Raptors aren't sending anything out. You can't acquire player(s) for nothing. Even when it's really nothing (like the top 55 protect '16 2nd round pick the Spurs acquired in the Ratliff trade), it still technically has to be something.

My guess if there is something to this is the Raptors would being sending some kind of pick to Houston - it almost like they get a pretty good player or players just for facilatating this trade (the simpler version that is)

I agree with TD21 the other scenario makes no sense for Toronto

[Spurs151]

I think that the FO is barely fine with the situation because they feel that internal improvements will benefit Splitter and Diaw a lot; mostly Tiago. However I believe that they are looking at any possible situation. One thing Im looking forward to is if they will be willing to deal bonner (Is any front office stupid enough to take him? Then again GSW took RJ). If I had to guess (bearing in mind the possibility that they won't be able to sign anyone before the start of the season) I'd say they would push hard for a trade December-January. Plus don't forget that maybe Dawson comes in. For me our 'Bigs' stands as 2 and a half bigs.


Dawson is out... He signed to a team in china I heard

[RodNIc91]

Dawson is out... He signed to a team in china I heard

Well that's a shame but kind of expected right? That's what we spoke in other forum some time ago. Are there any mumblings you've heard regarding the patterson trade from that hoopshype guy?

[8FOR!3]

If we sign someone Blatche is the only guy I see as a potential difference maker now that Oden's out. K-Mart's still available I guess, but I really don't want anything to do with him.

[Sandman52]

When you have Blair, everybody looks tall, tbh

Well, that's what I mean. We are just itching for any activity and to dump Blair/Bonner/Neal. I looked back at Patterson's draft thread, but I don't see where he immediately jumps out as an improvement to the current team. His biggest asset would be taking over when Diaw moves on & becoming Kawhi's running mate.

[8FOR!3]

Patrick Patterson would help any team he's on. Fairly athletic, he's got standard PF size. Can defend the PF position well, automatic midrange jumper. And that's one thing Diaw lacks the confidence for. He's efficient, understands the game, isn't the best rebounder in the world though. But he keeps himself in shape. He's got good fundamentals in the post. Just a good overall player. His upside isn't exactly high, but you know what you're getting and he's worth giving up Blair/Bonner/Neal for. I think someone should be there to keep Diaw in check anyways and make sure he's still in shape. I don't know about giving up another first rounder though. If we did that it'd be saying we think it's 100% THE year to go to the championship and this is the guy we have to have to take us there.

[CGD]

Just catching up with the last few pages of this thread. Thanks for posting. Interesting stuff if there is any truth to it. Wasn't RC super high on Patterson a few years back? Strikes me as a high motor guy. Solid midrange jumper too.

[Redshadows]

The simpler trade does work, the guy with source mentions:



http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9mm7ezd
I am waiting.

Neal and Blair for Patterson would be fine.

I think the filler might be a second round pick from TOR.

[Redshadows]

Can Spurs send Bonner back to TOR?

People there like him.

[-21-]

This would be a good trade for SA imo. Patterson has good size with a good mid-range jumper, and although he's just an average defender/rebounder, he can't be worse than Blair.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Another reason why they might take a 2 for 1 with Neal and Blair: IIRC Blair is un-guaranteed.

I think Neal is, too.

[wildbill2u]

Interesting sidelight on the ESPN trade machine. Hollinger analysis shows Houston and Toronto pick up 4 wins while SA loses 6 wins.

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

Interesting trade idea. I like it less when Bonner isn't rumored on leaving.

[G-Dawgg]

Patterson reminds me of an Antonio McDyess type player. I want somebody taller than Patterson tbh.

[Gagnrath]

Guys a legit 6'9 or 6'10" is plenty tall enough at power forward, especially if he is mobile. A 6'7" guy rounded up to 6'8" isn't big enough to play center especially if he's doing it questionable knees, with more weight than really makes sense for him. Usually 2 inches in height is 3 or 4 inches in standing reach, and with good knees and a lighter frame there is the possibility of jumping as well. Blair really is a decent back-up big the problem is he shouldn't be a starter and it would truly behoove him to develop a short and mid-range jumpshot.

[ace3g]

Paul Garcia PS ‏@24writer

The #Spurs have announced they have waived forward Derrick Byars. Just shedding some salary or possibly looking to bring in someone?

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hmmm, many here (including myself) thought he might be part of that Patterson trade.

[8FOR!3]

It is interesting that they're just randomly choosing to waive him right now. Maybe they're planning on signing someone for the min. Andray Blatche? Fingers crossed but I won't hold my breath.

[Bruno]

The, by far, most likely explanation of Byars being waived is that he found a team overseas.
Spurs should have told him that he had no shot at making the team and that they would release him if he wanted to sign with another team.

[slick'81]

lol didnt even know byars was still on the roster

[loveforthegame]

Wish it meant something was happening but probably just a money saving move.

[racm]

It means there's enough room to sign someone to a vet min contract without going over the luxury tax limit.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Interesting that no-one has focussed on Brockman - I'd swap him for Bonner in a heartbeat, although the salaries don't match. However, it would be easy enough to work a deal given all of the small salaries on both teams.

[Step 2 Texas]

Well, Brockman sucks.

I'd swap Bonner for a rock if it meant getting him off the team, but that doesn't mean it will actually help the team.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Well, Brockman sucks.

I'd swap Bonner for a rock if it meant getting him off the team, but that doesn't mean it will actually help the team.

Actually, Brockman doesn't suck. Two years ago he played very well for the Pacers. He can rebound and hit the 3, and he can be pretty good defensively. I think he'd be a perfect fit for the Spurs as a Bonner replacement.

[Step 2 Texas]

He never played for the Pacers, and has never hit a three in his NBA career (or in college for that matter).

Are you thinking of someone else?

[spurs10]

I do believe the Byars move is because someone is coming to fill that spot on our roster. Unless they were just being nice. Otherwise, why not keep him around?

[TimDunkem]

I do believe the Byars move is because someone is coming to fill that spot on our roster. Unless they were just being nice. Otherwise, why not keep him around?
He's not a very good player, and wouldn't get much playing time.

[8FOR!3]

He never played for the Pacers, and has never hit a three in his NBA career (or in college for that matter).

Are you thinking of someone else?

He's gotta be thinking of that guy from Duke on the Lakers. Josh McRoberts. He would actually be of some service to us, and he's athletic.

Brockman's awful. He's a homeless man's DeJuan Blair.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

He never played for the Pacers, and has never hit a three in his NBA career (or in college for that matter).

Are you thinking of someone else?

My bad. Yeah, I was thinking of McRoberts. I like McRoberts a lot, was hoping we'd grab him last offseason when he was an FA, but he went to Fakerland instead.

[maverick1948]

Interesting sidelight on the ESPN trade machine. Hollinger analysis shows Houston and Toronto pick up 4 wins while SA loses 6 wins.


if you look on every trade you try for SA, the wins always go down when Neal and Blair are involved. I even tried to to get a top player for Blair and Neal and it still gave me losing wins for SA. the trade machine on ESPN is geared to screw the Spurs. When DeRosan/Davis for Bonner/Blair/Neal is put on the TM it says Spurs -4 Raptors +1. Figure that out DeRosan averages almost 17 points and Davis gets 7 boards and they are worse than those 3?

[-21-]

The trade machine win/loss analysis is based on PER I believe. With the Spurs having such great chemistry last year, Blair and Neal's PER is high, which is gonna affect the record prediction. Not sure if I'm accurate but I just wanted to say the trade machine's win/loss analysis isn't really reliable.

[SenorSpur]

If the Spurs were to somehow acquire Patterson in the rumored 3-team trade, I'd love for them to package Blair/Bonner/Neal to make it happen. Assuming there is enough available cap space left over, I'd hope they would then around and sign Blatche to a vet minimum deal.

Over the past several years,the Spurs FO has been very proactive and focused on swapping in and out perimeter players over the past several years. Meanwhile, the frontline has been saddled with undersized, unathletic and underskilled guys. Adding Patterson and Blatche, in one offseason, would inject a massive talent upgrade to the frontline (PF/C) and finally surround Duncan with the much-needed support that he has been missing.

[ace3g]

Jerry Tipton ‏@JerryTipton

Rockets said Patrick Patterson will not play in charity game, Terrence Jones doubtful. Minor off-season surgeries a factor, team said.

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I saw this tweet about Patterson and at first glance I thought maybe he wasn't playing because he could still be part of a deal. Plus I thought off season surgery was referring to Jones and not both. Well after some research, turns out Patterson has had surgery on his ankle the past two seasons:


Patterson, 23, finally had his long-planned ankle surgery before last season, but his rehabilitation cost him all of training camp, forcing him to spend much of the lockout-condensed season catching up. When the season ended, he had another surgery, this time to remove scar tissue from the previous procedure.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/06/rockets-patterson-determined-to-exceed-rookie-promise/

So maybe that worried the Spurs and decided against the rumored deal.

[Spurs da champs]

My bad. Yeah, I was thinking of McRoberts. I like McRoberts a lot, was hoping we'd grab him last offseason when he was an FA, but he went to Fakerland instead.

lmao you liked McRoberts instead of Blatche?

[CGD]

Jerry Tipton ‏@JerryTipton

Rockets said Patrick Patterson will not play in charity game, Terrence Jones doubtful. Minor off-season surgeries a factor, team said.

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I saw this tweet about Patterson and at first glance I thought maybe he wasn't playing because he could still be part of a deal. Plus I thought off season surgery was referring to Jones and not both. Well after some research, turns out Patterson has had surgery on his ankle the past two seasons:



http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/06/rockets-patterson-determined-to-exceed-rookie-promise/

So maybe that worried the Spurs and decided against the rumored deal.

Did the "source" post any updates to his original two comment section insights? I'm just curious if s/he had any more rumblings.

At this point, I'm happy signing the Ukrainian to the 15th roster slot.

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Did the "source" post any updates to his original two comment section insights? I'm just curious if s/he had any more rumblings.

At this point, I'm happy signing the Ukrainian to the 15th roster slot.

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