Kobe is now the Lakers 2nd best player

[Tiago Splitter]

That was never the issue for any of Jordan's six rings. :rollin

[HarlemHeat37]

Kobe's best role during his career has been as a sidekick, scary for the rest of the league, tbh..

[Ace]

Kobe coattailing to a championship is nothing new tbh

[Clipper Nation]

Kobe coattailing to a championship is nothing new tbh
Story of his career, tbh... :lol

[ALVAREZ6]

He was the 2nd best player for 3 of his 5 rings tbh...nothing new.

[Koolaid_Man]

I'm just happy we gots dat nigga

[Koolaid_Man]

I'm happy we got Dwight

[Koolaid_Man]

I'm happy dat Spur, Mav, and Heat fan are sad.

[Koolaid_Man]

All hail Meeks and Blake

[BRHornet45]

son Kobe has only been the clear cut choice for the Lakers best player from 2004-2007 whenever he didn't have Shaq, Gasol, and others to hold his hand every step of the way. this is not my opinion, but pure fact. see below ...



sons I posted this in another thread, but for those of you not viewing it I didn't want you to miss these truth bombs.


what did Kobe do during that 3 and a half year span when he didn't have daddy there? oh yea that's right! he didn't do shit!!!

Kobe as team leader without Shaq or Gasol ...


2004-05

Lakers: 34-48 (failed to even make playoffs)


2005-06

Lakers: 45-37 (stomped out by PHX in first round)


2006-07

Lakers: 42-40 (stomped out by PHX again in first round)


2007-08

Kobe cries to be traded because he knows he can't lead a team so Stern sends him Gasol and the Lakers immediately hit a 10 game winning streak that started on Gasol's third game as a Laker and they finish the season 27-9 since Gasol's arrival.



lol sons he led the Lakers to a 121-125 record during the 3 seasons without Shaq. :lol

I knew he was pathetic as a leader, but I didn't realize it was that bad.


Truth BOMBS about Kobe Bryant - Sons simply the facts

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189727

[Koolaid_Man]

Let's talk about Laker practices...which team would you pick to win.

Team A :
Kobe
Dwight
Hill
Duhon
Jamison

Team B:
Nash
Pau
Artest
Meeks
Ebanks

Who wins ? This is a good fucking problem to have

[ElNono]

what you mean "now"?

[ClipperLuva]

bean married bean chasing horry not michael

[ClipperLuva]

Let's talk about Laker practices...which team would you pick to win.

Team A :
Kobe
Dwight
Hill
Duhon
Jamison

Team B:
Nash
Pau
Artest
Meeks
Ebanks

Who wins ? This is a good fucking problem to have
what team has pink colors brofer?

[cobbler]

He could be the 12th best as long as he helps us win titles. Who cares? Oh that’s right, all you obsessed types who know what's coming and the only solace you have is ripping our 18 year veteran. As if that diminishes our joy or rains on our parade route.

The only thing all these posts or threads do for us real Laker fans is acknowledge how truly insecure most of you are. It’s quite beautiful to see. Keep em coming!

:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:
:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:
:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:
:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:

:lobt2:

[The Gemini Method]

Yeah, If the haters watch as we pile up the chips--I say fuck 'em...let them rot rooting for the Spurs or whatever. It's just fortunate the Lakers' FO aint a bunch of do-nothings or whatnot. From the days of Magic and on to the future, as long as the Buss Empire runs shit--things won't be exciting in the City of Angels.

[AussieFanKurt]

Yeah, If the haters watch as we pile up the chips--I say fuck 'em...let them rot rooting for the Spurs or whatever. It's just fortunate the Lakers' FO aint a bunch of do-nothings or whatnot. From the days of Magic and on to the future, as long as the Buss Empire runs shit--things won't be exciting in the City of Angels.

This is lolable really. I'm assuming you just see it as coincidence but the Lakers giving away nothing to get a reasonable big in Pau and once again giving away nothing ultimately to get Dwight. The Lakers are just lucky they get the ratings and thus NBA helps them get the best. There is no way in hell the T-Wolves would ever get Dwight and give away nothing.

[The Gemini Method]

This is lolable really. I'm assuming you just see it as coincidence but the Lakers giving away nothing to get a reasonable big in Pau and once again giving away nothing ultimately to get Dwight. The Lakers are just lucky they get the ratings and thus NBA helps them get the best. There is no way in hell the T-Wolves would ever get Dwight and give away nothing.

So then, Kangaroo Jack, do you explain the Knicks? Playing in a larger metropolitan area than L.A., has just as big of a t.v. contracat and monetary support as the Lakers do but yet, they are run inadequately even with all those resources? It is somewhat luck, but if you're going on the 33rd year of having some starpower and being a playoff contender, it isn't just 'luck' it is the ability for the FO to do something. Because if it was warranted by how one' stance in the financial upwind of the league, Dolan would even have a title contending team or Chicago would have been able to flip the script. So be it if you're going to weird out on some conspiracy theory. Fuck it. Orlando had other offers and the league could've forced their hand to N.Y. or Brooklyn I mean but it didn't. So I'll take whatever suits up with the PnG and stand behind them.

[Deuce Bigalow]

son Kobe has only been the clear cut choice for the Lakers best player from 2004-2007 whenever he didn't have Shaq, Gasol, and others to hold his hand every step of the way. this is not my opinion, but pure fact. see below ...








Truth BOMBS about Kobe Bryant - Sons simply the facts

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189727
Let's take a look at Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Do you know who that is? Well, He was a 6x Champion, 2x Finals MVP, 6x MVP, 2nd in Playoff points, and #1 in regular season points. After he got traded from to the Lakers in 1975, he did not have a great player until 1979-1980 season when his team got Magic Johnson. You want to know what Kareem did without Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson while he was in his prime?

1974-75: 38-44, Missed the Playoffs
1975-76: 40-42, Missed the Playoffs

And I would like for you to explain me how Pau Gasol has been better than Kobe from 2008-2012?

2007-08
All-Star: Kobe - Yes, Pau - No
All-NBA: Kobe - 1st team, Pau - None
MVP: Kobe - Won award (1st), Pau - Not a single vote

2008-09
All-Star: Kobe - Yes, Pau - Yes
All-NBA: Kobe - 1st team, Pau - 3rd team
MVP: Kobe - 2nd place, Pau - Not a single vote
Finals MVP: Kobe - Won award, Pau - No

2009-10
All-Star: Kobe - Yes, Pau - Yes
All-NBA Team: Kobe - 1st team, Pau - 3rd team
MVP: Kobe - 3rd place, Pau - Not a single vote
Finals MVP: Kobe - Won award, Pau - No

I could go on, but there is no point

[LkrFan]

Kobe coattailing to a championship is nothing new tbh

Who is he coattailing? Dwight "no rings before Kobe" H:lolward? OTOH, what you are saying is spot on for LeBron - if you catch my drift. :downspin:

[Clipper Nation]

OTOH, what you are saying is spot on for LeBron - if you catch my drift. :downspin:
Who did LeClutch coattail to ring 1 of 7 this summer, B? He was carrying an injured Bosh and a chucking, TOSB version of Wade, tbh....

[LkrFan]

Who did LeClutch coattail to ring 1 of 7 this summer, B? He was carrying an injured Bosh and a chucking, TOSB version of Wade, tbh....

I hope you didn't drive tonight. You are clearly wasted. Post after post of "not-smartness". :downspin:

[Clipper Nation]

I hope you didn't drive tonight. You are clearly wasted. Post after post of "not-smartness". :downspin:
:lol Dodging my question

[LkrFan]

:lol Dodging my question

I'm not dodging anything. He won. Question is, will he repeat? They need to match up with dem boys in my signature. I don't think they can unless they get more help down low.

[namlook]

Funny how none of these guys ever got a ring before they joined Kobe.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Funny how none of these guys ever got a ring before they joined Kobe.
And when they do win a ring, they carried him.

[Nathan89]

Funny how none of these guys ever got a ring before they joined Kobe.

I think it's funny how kobe got 1 win in the 2nd round the last 2 years with the best front court in the league. And now he's going to be the reason if they win? No, it's going to be the fact that they finally added a top 10 talent in the league to the team. We all know kobe could never win without a top 10 player on the team. Only the greats can do that imho.

[Venti Quattro]

sure

[LkrFan]

I think it's funny how kobe got 1 win in the 2nd round the last 2 years with the best front court in the league. And now he's going to be the reason if they win? No, it's going to be the fact that they finally added a top 10 talent in the league to the team. We all know kobe could never win without a top 10 player on the team. Only the greats can do that imho.

True greats repeat as champions. ;)

[Don Ready]

Who is he coattailing? Dwight "no rings before Kobe" H:lolward? OTOH, what you are saying is spot on for LeBron - if you catch my drift. :downspin:


Funny how none of these guys ever got a ring before they joined Kobe.


And when they do win a ring, they carried him.

Kobe fans out in full force defending their man.:lol


It's not Kobe, it's the Lakers the are the reason Kobe keeps winning. The Lakers are just a great team more so than Kobe being a great player. Orlando never gave Dwight even one guy close to the talent he now has beside him in Gasol, Nash and Kobe. The best sidekick he had was Hedo and Jameer:lol

[racm]

Kobe is back to number two. More rings incoming imho

Two rings and three Finals appearances with Kobe as first option
Three rings and four Finals appearances with Kobe as second option

Shows how good he is, tbh

[ChrisRichards]

And when they do win a ring, they carried him.


Funny how none of these guys ever got a ring before they joined Kobe.
Precisely.

[ChrisRichards]

Orlando never gave Dwight even one guy close to the talent he now has beside him in Gasol, Nash and Kobe. The best sidekick he had was Hedo and Jameer:lol
Weak excuse tbh. Olajuwon only needed Mario Ellie, Robert Horry and Kenny Smith to win a championship. Dwight had more help in a weaker era and he still failed to win tbh.

[ChrisRichards]

I think it's funny how kobe got 1 win in the 2nd round the last 2 years with the best front court in the league. And now he's going to be the reason if they win? No, it's going to be the fact that they finally added a top 10 talent in the league to the team. We all know kobe could never win without a top 10 player on the team. Only the greats can do that imho.
not a lot of team can go win 3 straight nba finals. obviously jordan, kobe/shaq and russell did it, thats why they are all exceptions. among the top 10 goat list, many have failed to win 3 straight. kobe's back to back with fisher, odom and gasol were impressive tbh.

[Don Ready]

Weak excuse tbh. Olajuwon only needed Mario Ellie, Robert Horry and Kenny Smith to win a championship. Dwight had more help in a weaker era and he still failed to win tbh.

Later fan posing as a Heat fan :lol

Olajuwon won when Jordan sat out and he is better than Dwight. Either way Olajuwon doesn't win with that squad today. The one time Dwight made the finals he had to face Kobe's help in two talented 7fters.

[LkrFan]

Later fan posing as a Heat fan :lol

Olajuwon won when Jordan sat out and he is better than Dwight. Either way Olajuwon doesn't win with that squad today. The one time Dwight made the finals he had to face Kobe's help in two talented 7fters.

Later fans? :lol

[ChrisRichards]

Later fan posing as a Heat fan :lol

. .
Not really. Im just exposing some of y'all weak stuff tbh. Just step your game up is all Im asking.



The one time Dwight made the finals he had to face Kobe's help in two talented 7fters
.

So Kobe was the reason Dwight was denied a championship and now he's joining the same guy to win his first.

Kinda proves my point that these players eventually wins a championship when they join Kobe tbqfh.


What's the problem?

[Don Ready]

Later fans? :lol

Your flip phone may not have it but it's called auto correction.

[Don Ready]

So Kobe was the reason Dwight was denied a championship and now he's joining the same guy to win his first.

Kinda proves my point that these players eventually wins a championship when they join Kobe tbqfh.


What's the problem?

Kobe was guarding Dwight in that series? All along I thought it was the two 7fters they had. :wow

Orlando lost to the Lakers, Kobe just happen to play for that team, which had a better roster. Don't tell me you really believe Gasol, Bynum and Odom are on the same level as Jameer, Hedo and Lewis. :lmao

Go back to your Laker fan profile, atleast your agenda wouldn't look so bad that way.

[ChrisRichards]

Orlando lost to the Lakers, Kobe just happen to play for that team, which had a better roster. Don't tell me you really believe Gasol, Bynum and Odom are on the same level as Jameer, Hedo and Lewis.
Eh, you said Orlando never gave Dwight talent. I just responded to your ridicuous claim that they did.


Additionally, Kobe's team won, Dwights team loss. who cares who guarded who. At the end of that day, its a freaking result. Dwight wants a championship ring so he joined the guy who already has 5 is all I'm saying.

[ChrisRichards]

Your flip phone may not have it but it's called auto correction.
Don't get too excited. Proof read before posting to avoid errors in the future.

[Don Ready]

Eh, you said Orlando never gave Dwight talent. I just responded to your ridicuous claim that they did.


Additionally, Kobe's team won, Dwights team loss. who cares who guarded who. At the end of that day, its a freaking result. Dwight wants a championship ring so he joined the guy who already has 5 is all I'm saying.

What talent did Orlando give Dwight? Are you even following the same dialogue?

[ChrisRichards]

What talent did Houston gave Olajuwon?

[Don Ready]

Don't get too excited. Proof read before posting to avoid errors in the future.

You seemed to have read and responded just fine. I'm sure auto correct errors don't really bug you that much. :lol

[Don Ready]

What talent did Houston gave Olajuwon?

Avoiding the question :lol You lost already

[ChrisRichards]

Yeah, you win dude. Print this as a certificate and hang it on your wall along with your many outstanding internet achievements. :lol

[Don Ready]

Yeah, you win dude. Print this as a certificate and hang it on your wall along with your many outstanding internet achievements. :lol

No that's cool. Just having you stop spamming your bs is enough. :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

Eh, you said Orlando never gave Dwight talent. I just responded to your ridicuous claim that they did.


Additionally, Kobe's team won, Dwights team loss. who cares who guarded who. At the end of that day, its a freaking result. Dwight wants a championship ring so he joined the guy who already has 5 is all I'm saying.

ok let's stop..just stop it now...:lol you're defending Kobe and Dwight because you know that Lebron ran off to team up with Wade and Bosh..I see through you dawg...but you are right...:lol

haters gonna hate...I don't care that Lebron teamed up all I care is that the negro gets no more rings...

[Koolaid_Man]

No that's cool. Just having you stop spamming your bs is enough. :lol


Hey Don I noticed your avatar sig...are you in the used car sales business :lol

[Don Ready]

Hey Don I noticed your avatar sig...are you in the used car sales business :lol

No I won't lend you any money you broke ass negro. Here go earn it.

http://rent-a-negro.com/

[Deuce Bigalow]

I think it's funny how kobe got 1 win in the 2nd round the last 2 years with the best front court in the league. And now he's going to be the reason if they win? No, it's going to be the fact that they finally added a top 10 talent in the league to the team. We all know kobe could never win without a top 10 player on the team. Only the greats can do that imho.
Pau Gasol has never received a single vote for MVP in his career. Not a single one.

Here is the MVP voting the 2 years the Lakers won the Championship

http://i.imm.io/AhdK.jpeg

http://i.imm.io/AheD.jpeg

It is arguable that Pau was not top 10, especially in 2009 imo, 2010 he has a great case though. Pau was not a top 10 player in 2009.

And true greats atleast get back the the NBA Finals twice in a row. :toast

[dunkman]

Kobe's an great RS stat padder and an remarkable hero shot airballer. Fortunately for him, the Lakers had Shaq, than Gasol/Bynum/Odom/World, and now Pau/Nash/Howard to perform in playoff and finals.

[Clipper Nation]

True greats repeat as champions. ;)

True greats win MVP and Finals MVP in the same year....

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe's an great RS stat padder and an remarkable hero shot airballer. Fortunately for him, the Lakers had Shaq, than Gasol/Bynum/Odom/World, and now Pau/Nash/Howard to perform in playoff and finals.
Why the hell is he 3rd on the all-time playoff scoring list then?
Why the hell does he have the 2nd most 30 point playoffs games in NBA history?
Why does he have 2 Finals MVPs
Why has he won 2 Championships without Shaq? Why 3 straight Finals in a row?
Why has he won 3 Championships without Pau and dominant 6/4 and 9/7 Bynum?

http://i.imm.io/AhpE.jpeg

He's going to be #1 all-time on that list when he's done.

[Koolaid_Man]

Pau was fantastic today and should beast with Dwight next season...he play like he did today there's not a team in the league with a chance to stop us...

[024]

kobe couldn't even get to the finals with the best front court in the NBA for the past two years and now gets an even better front court. the lakers for its entire history had always formed some pretty legendary front courts and kobe is just along for the ride.

[Koolaid_Man]

kobe couldn't even get to the finals with the best front court in the NBA for the past two years and now gets an even better front court. the lakers for its entire history had always formed some pretty legendary front courts and kobe is just along for the ride.

I would sing zippy-de-doo-dah zippy-de-day for you but instead I'll let you stew with this... :lol


Take Pippen from MJ..how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Manu, Parker, David Robinson from Timmy how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Kareem and Worthy from Magic how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Mchale and Parrish from Bird how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Wade and Bosh from Lebron how many rings? :lol = 0

Take Pau and Bynum from Kobe how many rings? :lol = 3
Take Shaq from Kobe how many rings? :lol = 2

That's it and that's all :hat

[Deuce Bigalow]

I would sing zippy-de-doo-dah zippy-de-day for you but instead I'll let you stew with this... :lol


Take Pippen from MJ..how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Manu, Parker, David Robinson from Timmy how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Kareem and Worthy from Magic how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Mchale and Parrish from Bird how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Wade and Bosh from Lebron how many rings? :lol = 0

Take Pau and Bynum from Kobe how many rings? :lol = 3
Take Shaq from Kobe how many rings? :lol = 2

That's it and that's all :hat
No, No, No. Stop using facts!

[DMC]

Why the hell is he 3rd on the all-time playoff scoring list then?
Why the hell does he have the 2nd most 30 point playoffs games in NBA history?
Why does he have 2 Finals MVPs
Why has he won 2 Championships without Shaq? Why 3 straight Finals in a row?
Why has he won 3 Championships without Pau and dominant 6/4 and 9/7 Bynum?

http://i.imm.io/AhpE.jpeg

He's going to be #1 all-time on that list when he's done.

Stat fag,

1. Why can't he win when he doesn't have the strongest team on paper and why couldn't he win at times when he did?
2. Why was he swept by the Mavs last year?
3. Why did he lose to the Thunder this year?
4. How did he lose to the Pistons with 4 HOFers and a HOF coach on his team?

I don't recall Jordan doing that after he'd rang already.

[DMC]

I would sing zippy-de-doo-dah zippy-de-day for you but instead I'll let you stew with this... :lol


Take Pippen from MJ..how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Manu, Parker, David Robinson from Timmy how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Kareem and Worthy from Magic how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Mchale and Parrish from Bird how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Wade and Bosh from Lebron how many rings? :lol = 0

Take Pau and Bynum from Kobe how many rings? :lol = 3
Take Shaq from Kobe how many rings? :lol = 2

That's it and that's all :hat
I know I'm arguing with a Spurs fan but this is too easy:

Pippen wasn't taken from MJ just as Pau hasn't been taken from Kobe. Shaq only left after the team lost to the Pistons.

[Nathan89]

Why the hell is he 3rd on the all-time playoff scoring list then?
Why the hell does he have the 2nd most 30 point playoffs games in NBA history?
Why does he have 2 Finals MVPs
Why has he won 2 Championships without Shaq? Why 3 straight Finals in a row?
Why has he won 3 Championships without Pau and dominant 6/4 and 9/7 Bynum?



1. He's been in a lot of playoff games and he shoots a lot.
2. See number 1
3. Because shaq won the first 3 and Pau didn't get his.
4. Because the Lakers still had the best frontcourt in the league.
5. Shaq


Let's look at how many times he's led his team in TS%.:lol

[Xylus]

Kobe's been their 2nd best player since Nash got signed, and remains their 2nd best player.

[namlook]

Kobe is back to number two. More rings incoming imho

Two rings and three Finals appearances with Kobe as first option
Three rings and four Finals appearances with Kobe as second option

Shows how good he is, tbh

LOL @ thinking Dwight will be the first option. The man has no offensive skill set.

[DAF86]

Kobe won't be completely happy if the Lakers ring and he doesn't win finals' MVP.

[Koolaid_Man]

I know I'm arguing with a Spurs fan but this is too easy:

Pippen wasn't taken from MJ just as Pau hasn't been taken from Kobe. Shaq only left after the team lost to the Pistons.

in your silly quest to try and spin or defend the indefensible you answer with a pretty fucking stupid response that doesn't answer the central theme of my argument..try again please :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

again there is no logical explanation for this except the obvious...which is Kobe is just fucking great...lol

Take Pippen from MJ..how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Manu, Parker, David Robinson from Timmy how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Kareem and Worthy from Magic how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Mchale and Parrish from Bird how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Wade and Bosh from Lebron how many rings? :lol = 0

Take Pau and Bynum from Kobe how many rings? :lol = 3
Take Shaq from Kobe how many rings? :lol = 2

That's it and that's all :hat

[DMC]

in your silly quest to try and spin or defend the indefensible you answer with a pretty fucking stupid response that doesn't answer the central theme of my argument..try again please :lol

Your argument is that all great players had help. Like always, your troll schtick is to use more words than necessary to get that across. You failed though, since Kobe had tons of help and still couldn't get it done.

Jordan didn't get Barkley and Thomas along with Pippen. Had he done so, he wouldn't have lost like Kobe did.

Bird didn't get Hakeem and Ewing along with Kevin and Chief. However, those people you cite were nothing before then, unlike Shaq, unlike Pau, unlike Howard, unlike Malone and Payton.

[Ace]

again there is no logical explanation for this except the obvious...which is Kobe is just fucking great...lol

Take Pippen from MJ..how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Manu, Parker, David Robinson from Timmy how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Kareem and Worthy from Magic how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Mchale and Parrish from Bird how many rings? :lol = 0
Take Wade and Bosh from Lebron how many rings? :lol = 0

Take Pau and Bynum from Kobe how many rings? :lol = 3
Take Shaq from Kobe how many rings? :lol = 2

That's it and that's all :hat
Kobe two finals MVPs... No need to go on...

[Deuce Bigalow]

Stat fag,

1. Why can't he win when he doesn't have the strongest team on paper and why couldn't he win at times when he did?
2. Why was he swept by the Mavs last year?
3. Why did he lose to the Thunder this year?
4. How did he lose to the Pistons with 4 HOFers and a HOF coach on his team?

I don't recall Jordan doing that after he'd rang already.
1. He's won every year his team was good enough to except 04
2. Back to back defending Champions, 3 straight WC Champs
3. Thunder were clearly better
4. Injuries, chemistry problems, and a little bit of himslef

[Deuce Bigalow]

1. He's been in a lot of playoff games and he shoots a lot.
2. See number 1
3. Because shaq won the first 3 and Pau didn't get his.
4. Because the Lakers still had the best frontcourt in the league.
5. Shaq


Let's look at how many times he's led his team in TS%.:lol
1. And MJ and Kareem don't?
2. See a doctor
3. So Pau deserved those Fianls MVPs huh? :rollin
4. And the Lakers had the best player in the league, while none of his amazing frontcourt got a single MVP vote in their entire careers
5. What did Shaq win without Kobe? I'm just using your dumbass logic.

[Koolaid_Man]

Your argument is that all great players had help. Like always, your troll schtick is to use more words than necessary to get that across. You failed though, since Kobe had tons of help and still couldn't get it done.

Jordan didn't get Barkley and Thomas along with Pippen. Had he done so, he wouldn't have lost like Kobe did.

Bird didn't get Hakeem and Ewing along with Kevin and Chief. However, those people you cite were nothing before then, unlike Shaq, unlike Pau, unlike Howard, unlike Malone and Payton.

:lol you mad cuz we got Nash and Howard Dawg :lol

my point is that the years Kobe didn't get it done he had no help...

Kwame who openly asked Kobe not to pass him the ball bcuz he was scared...I submit that MJ nor any great player past or present has played with a guy that said don't pass to me because I'm scared :lol

Secondly he had smush parker, Devean George, Chris Mihm, Chucky Atkins, Luke Walton, Brian Cook, Sasha Vujacic, Radmonivich ohhh and let's throw in Lamar "inconsistent" Odom for good measure...by comparison who was Timmy playing with during this time :lol

2008 - Bynum and Ariza were hurt DNP in the finals vs. Boston...prior to the Gasol trade I think we were like 28-13 and making a strong run to the play-offs...Pau came in and gave us that extra lift to the finals

2009 - Title Yr....Bynum avg during the regular season 14 pts and 8 rbs and only a paltry 6pts and 3 rebounds during the play-offs and during the finals he avg 6 pts and 4 rebounds...I hardly call that help :lol

2010 - Title Yr. Bynum avg during the regular season 15 pts and 8 rbs...during the play-offs he avg 8 pts and 6 rbs....during the finals he avg 7 pts and 5 rbs...again you call this help from a 7-1 275 lb guy? ok :lol

2011 play-offs he avg 14 / 9 and acting like a baby against Dallas

2012 play-offs he 16 / 11 and wet the bed against Denver and but yet again against OKC when it counted the most...again you call this help...

Don't even get me started on Pau in 2011 and 2012 we all know he wet the bed...point is Kobe has always been put in a position to where he has to baby sit players, coach players, defend their positions because they can't (defended Westbrook, Harding, and Durant) defended Ty Lawson in the Denver series...and on top of all that he has to carry the scoring load because our "All-Star" bigs either get out hustled and out played down low or the simply get pushed out the paint by shooting guards (Pau) :lol

My nigga Kobe is the real deal...get over being mad DIMC we got Dwight you didn't..we got Nash to feed Pau now...stop being mad :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

5. What did Shaq win without Kobe? I'm just using your dumbass logic.

Rookie of the Year and a conference championship before Kobrick, and a ring after Kobrick...

[Clipper Nation]

my point is that the years Kobe didn't get it done he had no help...

Stop crying, son... Iverson and Ring James carried equally-bad teams to the Finals...

[Koolaid_Man]

Rookie of the Year and a conference championship before Kobrick, and a ring after Kobrick...


Shaq gor jealous of lil Penny and ruined his career...Shaq has all-stars in LA (Nick the Quick Van Exell and Eddie Jones) Shaq has always had loaded teams but he couldn't get it done until Kobe came into his own - real talk :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

Rookie of the Year and a conference championship before Kobrick, and a ring after Kobrick...
What did Kobe do without Shaq?
2 Championships
2 Finals MVPs
3 Conference Championships
MVP

[Koolaid_Man]

Stop crying, son... Iverson and Ring James carried equally-bad teams to the Finals...

who were the teams they had to go through in the JV conference during that time :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Shaq gor jealous of lil Penny and ruined his career...Shaq has all-stars in LA (Nick the Quick Van Exell and Eddie Jones) Shaq has always had loaded teams but he couldn't get it done until Kobe came into his own - real talk :lol

He got it done again AFTER the years of carrying Kobrick came to an end.... unlike Kobrick, he actually won MVP and Finals MVP in the same year...

Oh, I forgot, Shaq also won a scoring title before Kobrick....

[Koolaid_Man]

He got it done again AFTER the years of carrying Kobrick came to an end.... unlike Kobrick, he actually won MVP and Finals MVP in the same year...

Oh, I forgot, Shaq also won a scoring title before Kobrick....


Kobe 5

Clippas Clippas :lol

[Clipper Nation]

What did Kobe do without Shaq?
2 Championships
2 Finals MVPs
3 Conference Championships
MVP

That's because he cried for a trade until the Lakers were gifted Pau to go with Bynum.... also, the MVP was a pity/lifetime achievement award, tbh....

:cry "I'd rather play on Mars than the Lakers" :cry
:cry "Jerry Buss lied to me!" :cry
:cry "I don't wanna rebuild!" :cry
:cry "Trade me to the Bulls so I can fully imitate my stalkee, Michael Jordan!" :cry

[Koolaid_Man]

That's because he cried for a trade until the Lakers were gifted Pau to go with Bynum.... also, the MVP was a pity/lifetime achievement award, tbh....

:cry "I'd rather play on Mars than the Lakers" :cry
:cry "Jerry Buss lied to me!" :cry
:cry "I don't wanna rebuild!" :cry
:cry "Trade me to the Bulls so I can fully imitate my stalkee, Michael Jordan!" :cry


You just mad because we scored Dwight :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

That's because he cried for a trade until the Lakers were gifted Pau to go with Bynum.... also, the MVP was a pity/lifetime achievement award, tbh....

:cry "I'd rather play on Mars than the Lakers" :cry
:cry "Jerry Buss lied to me!" :cry
:cry "I don't wanna rebuild!" :cry
:cry "Trade me to the Bulls so I can fully imitate my stalkee, Michael Jordan!" :cry
He got the MVP over your flopping boy CP3
But you were like 7 or 8 at the time though, yeah?

[Clipper Nation]

He got the MVP over your flopping boy CP3
Correction: he was gifted the MVP over Chris MVPaul...


But you were like 7 or 8 at the time though, yeah?

Nah B, but you're DEFINITELY 7 or 8 now...

:lol Duncan obsession
:lol Lame ring count arguments and "half championships"
:lol Even lamer comebacks
:lol GNLF takes

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3068/3079520582_9fc85a461b.jpg

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1106098/paulf.gif

[Clipper Nation]

Kobe 5

Clippas Clippas :lol

Technically, Clippas 13 due to the Braves/Celtics franchise swap in '78... :downspin:

[Clipper Nation]

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3068/3079520582_9fc85a461b.jpg

http://www.talkshoe.com/custom/images/icons/TC-22622-MainIcon.gif

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://queenofsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Catherine-and-Kobe-MVP-1.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20Reaction/Flopping/cpflop.gif

2007-08 Flopping MVP - Chris Fall

[Clipper Nation]

LOL... I see the truth bomb of CP3 being the REAL MVP struck a nerve, tbh... go back to Lakersground, son, they'll give you a shoulder to cry on...

:cry "But... but... CP3 FLOPS!" :cry

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe was the best player in the world and his team won more games.

Go ahead and find me one person who said Chris was.

[Clipper Nation]

Kobe was the best player in the world.

Go ahead and find me one person who said Chris was.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/by-the-numbers-cp3-deserved-mvp

BTW, LeClutch was already the best player in the world, tbh...

[ElNono]

Maybe Nash can tell him how to win back to back NBA MVP, tbh...

[Deuce Bigalow]

The same Lebron who called Kobe the best in 09? (before the 08-09 season started I believe)

Fv37ykpYk84

[Clipper Nation]

The same Lebron who called Kobe the best in 09?

Fv37ykpYk84

LeClass being gracious as usual, tbh.... must suck for you that Ring James has already completely surpassed Food Stamps Bryant's legacy....

[DMC]

The same Lebron who called Kobe the best in 09? (before the 08-09 season started I believe)

Fv37ykpYk84
Yeah well MJ drafted Kwame Brown 1st overall.

Great players obviously don't equal great talent scouts.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Did Kobe fuck your mother?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Yeah well MJ drafted Kwame Brown 1st overall.

Great players obviously don't equal great talent scouts.
What? :lmao

Evaluating talent that is being show is different than predicting FUTURE talent.

keep making excuses

[Clipper Nation]

Did Kobe fuck your mother?

How could he possibly fuck anyone's mother with you firmly attached to his nuts?

[DAF86]

Kobe got a pity-MVP, everybody knows this.

[Deuce Bigalow]

How could he possibly fuck anyone's mother with you firmly attached to his nuts?
What have I said that is ridiculous about Kobe? Nothing.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe got a pity-MVP, everybody knows this.
I'll tell you what, he sure played like the MVP when he sent your team fishing in WCF :lol

[Nathan89]

5. What did Shaq win without Kobe?

A championship.

[Deuce Bigalow]

A championship.
What about Kobe after Shaq? Can you remind me, I forgot.

[DAF86]

I'll tell you what, he sure played like the MVP when he sent your team fishing in WCF :lol

Yeah, too bad he couldn't duplicate that a round later.

[Nathan89]

What about Kobe after Shaq? Can you remind me, I forgot.

Shaq was older.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Shaq was older.
Can you tell me? I can't find it...

[Nathan89]

Can you tell me? I can't find it...

You can't find their ages when they separated?

[Deuce Bigalow]

You can't find their ages when they separated?
No, what Kobe accomplished without Shaq?

[Clipper Nation]

What have I said that is ridiculous about Kobe? Nothing.

That Food Stamps deserved the MVP over CP3, and that Shaq did nothing without Food Stamps, for starters.....

[Deuce Bigalow]

That Food Stamps deserved the MVP over CP3, and that Shaq did nothing without Food Stamps, for starters.....
1. Kobe won the award, was the best player on the planet, played better defense, and his team won more games.
2. I was using Spurfan logic

[ChrisRichards]

Tbh, at the end of the day, Kobe has 5 championships. He won with Shaq, won back to back without Shaq who was replaced by a skinny european Pau Gasol and now he's about to win another one under Mike Brown.


Nash and Dwight wanted chips so bad they had no choice but to join the same player that tormented them for years.


Respect.

[Koolaid_Man]

Tbh, at the end of the day, Kobe has 5 championships. He won with Shaq, won back to back without Shaq who was replaced by a skinny european Pau Gasol and now he's about to win another one under Mike Brown.


Nash and Dwight wanted chips so bad they had no choice but to join the same player that tormented them for years.


Respect.


ahhhhhhhhh yeaahhhhh CR....that felt good...now work the left nut and then all the way up my shaft....just a little bit more to the right :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

Tbh, at the end of the day, Kobe has 5 championships. He won with Shaq, won back to back without Shaq who was replaced by a skinny european Pau Gasol and now he's about to win another one under Mike Brown.


Nash and Dwight wanted chips so bad they had no choice but to join the same player that tormented them for years.


Respect.
With the goods

[ChrisRichards]

kobe couldn't even get to the finals with the best front court in the NBA for the past two years and now gets an even better front court.
No one makes the Finals 5 straight times, unless you count the Celtics, Cousy days. Kobe made 3 straight Finals appearances winning two with basically Gasol as their big man, who I might add was really good in both series but nothing to scream about.

Kobe dominated the series against Orlando and his 15 rebounds (more than any other big man in that game) and 12 points in the 4th quarter was the main reason LA won back to back.


Respect.

[Clipper Nation]

1. Kobe won the award, was the best player on the planet, played better defense, and his team won more games.
Kobrick was handed the award, LeClutch was the best player on the planet, and CP3 averaged 20 points and 10 assists, led the league in steals, and was the first player in 25 years to lead the league in assists while averaging less than 3 turnovers a game...

[Koolaid_Man]

Kobrick was handed the award, LeClutch was the best player on the planet, and CP3 averaged 20 points and 10 assists, led the league in steals, and was the first player in 25 years to lead the league in assists while averaging less than 3 turnovers a game...


:lmao Clippas Fan

Does any Clippers playa have an NBA title or MVP...any? ohh wait our trash Lamar does :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

So the Clippas have 2 titles compliments of Lamar Odom....

[ElNono]

No one makes the Finals 5 straight times, unless you count the Celtics, Cousy days. Kobe made 3 straight Finals appearances winning two with basically Gasol as their big man, who I might add was really good in both series but nothing to scream about.

Kobe dominated the series against Orlando and his 15 rebounds (more than any other big man in that game) and 12 points in the 4th quarter was the main reason LA won back to back.

Respect.

Son, Kobe snitchedPERIOD. You just can't respect a snitch, that's that.

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao Clippas Fan

Does any Clippers playa have an NBA title or MVP...any? ohh wait our trash Lamar does :lol
:lol Below GNSF-tier debate skills
:lol Moving the goalposts
:lol Extra Stout

[Koolaid_Man]

Son, Kobe snitchedPERIOD. You just can't respect a snitch, that's that.


holding on to that last few feet of rope eh? :lol

listen I can respect a snitch...if you see something..say something...snitching is the new keeping it real....Snitch if you not a bitch....

Snitching is a way of life we all do and would do it...I would snitch in a heartbeat if I felt it benefited me...

[ChrisRichards]

Defending Kobe's legacy is easy tbh, simply because he did it all in his era. There's simply nothing you can say about him that will diminish his importance and status among the All Time Greats. Yes he's a chucker and I think his ability to score has always been his greatest curse because it gives him reason to disregard his teammates sometimes. But really, 5 championships as the teams best closer is nothing to sneeze at. I'm going to maintain my stand that without Kobe's progression in LA's 2nd and 3rd championship run, Shaq may very well end with just 2 titles because no one pushed Shaq like Kobe during the Diesel's prime.



Kobe did most of the dirty work (Portland, Sacramento series) and Shaq simply cleaned up the plates (Indiana, NJ and 76ers)

[ElNono]

listen I can respect a snitch...

:lol you're pathetic, real talk...

[ChrisRichards]

Son, Kobe snitchedPERIOD. You just can't respect a snitch, that's that.
Well, we can't argue that. Off the court, Kobe's been a slimey snake, that much is true.

[Koolaid_Man]

Defending Kobe's legacy is easy tbh, simply because he did it all in his era. There's simply nothing you can say about him that will diminish his importance and status among the All Time Greats. Yes he's a chucker and I think his ability to score has always been his greatest curse because it gives him reason to disregard his teammates sometimes. But really, 5 championships as the teams best closer is nothing to sneeze at. I'm going to maintain my stand that without Kobe's progression in LA's 2nd and 3rd championship run, Shaq may very well end with just 2 titles because no one pushed Shaq like Kobe during the Diesel's prime.



Kobe did most of the dirty work (Portland, Sacramento series) and Shaq simply cleaned up the plates (Indiana, NJ and 76ers)


I may have to re-evaluate our relationship you keep this up...Can I buy you a beer

[Koolaid_Man]

:lol you're pathetic, real talk...


so you wouldn't snitch if facing 20-to-life on a rape charge...yeah get real...I would snitch to say whatever to get myself out of the situation and you would too..if you say you wouldn't you're a got dam liar :lmao

[ChrisRichards]

Kobrick was handed the award, LeClutch was the best player on the planet, and CP3 averaged 20 points and 10 assists, led the league in steals, and was the first player in 25 years to lead the league in assists while averaging less than 3 turnovers a game...
Lebron was not going to win it. The Cavs were a 47 win team.


CP3 was an ideal choice. But the media hates floppers and CP3 was the worst of his kind. If he played like a man, he would earn the media's respect.


Also, the Lakers (1) have a better record than NOH (2). Sure its one game but for something that was so close, you'll need every help you can get and at the end of the day, Kobe had more help thus winning the MVP.


Respect~

[ChrisRichards]

I may have to re-evaluate our relationship you keep this up...Can I buy you a beer
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Deuce Bigalow]

ChrisRichards, What changed your mind?

[ElNono]

so you wouldn't snitch if facing 20-to-life on a rape charge...

snitching on Shaq wasn't going to change his purported conviction :lmao

He's just bitchmade like that....

[Koolaid_Man]

snitching on Shaq wasn't going to change his purported conviction :lmao

He's just bitchmade like that....

He was trying to get the cops to see that cheating was the norm for NBA players...he even snitched on himself by telling of other Ho's in other cities he was banging..point is he was trying to get out of the situation....

and if it was me I would say anything and sell anyone I needed to up the river in order to get off...besides it's not like he knew those slimy Popo was secretly recording him...he didn't snitch on the record....pretty big difference :hat

[ElNono]

He was trying to get the cops to see that cheating was the norm for NBA players...

:lol like cops don't know?

He was just being who he is: a little snitch bitch...

[Ace]

Defending Kobe's legacy is easy tbh, simply because he did it all in his era. There's simply nothing you can say about him that will diminish his importance and status among the All Time Greats. Yes he's a chucker and I think his ability to score has always been his greatest curse because it gives him reason to disregard his teammates sometimes. But really, 5 championships as the teams best closer is nothing to sneeze at. I'm going to maintain my stand that without Kobe's progression in LA's 2nd and 3rd championship run, Shaq may very well end with just 2 titles because no one pushed Shaq like Kobe during the Diesel's prime.



Kobe did most of the dirty work (Portland, Sacramento series) and Shaq simply cleaned up the plates (Indiana, NJ and 76ers)
Lakers land Dwight and look at you, right back to being a Laker fan. :lol

[ElNono]

Lakers land Dwight and look at you, right back to being a Laker fan. :lol

sup Jeremias? :lol

[Ace]

sup Jeremias? :lol

Sup nono, are you going to Brenda's party tonight?

[ElNono]

Sup nono, are you going to Brenda's party tonight?

Gonna pick up T2ZO in about an hour and we'll be there, tbh...:toast

[Killakobe81]

If Dwight is healthy, I agree with OP. Dwight is top 5, Kobe top 10 at this point ...