***Patriots 2012 season thread***

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Hi

[LnGrrrR]

Pats are gonna win it all this year.* Brady ties the record for most rings, sets the record for most SB appearances, and all types of stuff like det.




*Assuming the Giants don't make it back.

[Fabbs]

Hello.
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[DeadlyDynasty]

They're schedule sets them up for no worse than 14-2. I'd still be worries about Solder against elite pass rushers though...dude got beat on nearly every down by Will Smith.

[MultiTroll]

Brady ties the record for...all types of stuff like det.
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Toms going to raise things on SpursTalk Patsie Posters for sure!

[LnGrrrR]

Tbh, as long as the Pats win the SB, Brady could get down on his knees, take two cocks to the face while screaming that he's a flaming homo, and I wouldn't give a fuck.

[LnGrrrR]

Oh I forgot...

:lol Chargers

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

They're schedule sets them up for no worse than 14-2. I'd still be worries about Solder against elite pass rushers though...dude got beat on nearly every down by Will Smith.
Homers on Patsfans.com are convinced that Solder is gonna play like a pro bowl left tackle this year but I agree his readiness to be the full time LT is a question mark. They really need Waters to come back so they're at least set on the inside with Mankins-Connolly-Waters. There's a good chance Vollmer's back problems prevent him from returning to the player he was and Solder is still pretty raw.

Fletcher's injury is gonna hurt them more than people think. He's one of their best special teams players and was decent on defense. Idk why BB waived him rather than just putting him on IR.

Their O-line is by far the biggest concern right now. If everything works out and their week 1 lineup up front is Solder-Mankins-Connolly-Waters-Vollmer then 13-14 wins is likely. It woulda been great if Matt Light played just 1 more season to give Solder more time to be ready at LT. From what I've heard they're gonna bring in Chad Clifton.


EDIT: Fletcher clears waivers and is now on IR. They lucked out with that risk as Fletcher is useful enough for a team to pickup and sit on for a year. Curious to see who they pick up to fill his spot.

[Clipper Nation]

Oh I forgot...

:lol Chargers
I still think we can beat the Cheats, provided we leave Craterface at the hotel, tbh...

[Avante]

No worst than 7-1 at home.

On the road...6-2

Now throw in a game where everything went wrong and they were favored.

So they win the East 12-4.

If they are at home in the playoffs they will be making another SB showings. Can they go into Baltimore and beat them there I have my doubts.

As we know no team in the NFL has a better coach/QB combo than the Pats. Belichick/Brady as good as it gets.

Their offensive line is solid. Weak at running back with no stud ball carrier. With Welker and those TE's-dynamic!

The D is weak, they aren't strong at any level. But with the Pats scoring as they can/do they are adequate.

It's very important that the Pats win that homefield advantage, something very realistic, they do not want to play in Balitmore or Pittsburg with a SB in the balance.

Can they beat the Giants/Packers/Niners? If the Giants are the same team, they beat NE again. If the Pack still sucks on the D they will beat them. These Niners knnow nothing about SB's, so the size of the game vs the experience of the Pats they beat them.

In summary...

Pat fans you do not want Baltimore on the road in the Playoffs, you do not want the Giants again in the SB.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Avante-

They have the easiest schedule in the NFL so 13-14 wins seems likely.

When healthy they have one of the best O-lines in the NFL but there are so many health questions surrounding it I doubt it'll be ready by the start of the year.

Their D is weak but it'll be much better than last year. IMO, they need to fully commit Arrington to the nickel back role and Ras-I Dowling to the RCB role. Arrington deserves a starting role more than Dowling but nickel corner is basically a starter these days. Chung has also gotten reportedly much better in coverage during camp.

With their front 7 they have so much depth that I think they'll have a few presences emerge. Ron Brace and Kyle Love have both had a great training camp as possible interior compliments to Wilfork. Jones has been a monster so far at RE. I still think Andre Carter should be brought back. Deaderick, Ninkovich, and Cunningham are all good 3-4 players who give flexibility.

If the secondary can gel and rebound from last year, most notably McCourty, the front 7 is definitely gonna be better and the D will be above average.

[Avante]

They do have it rough early on starting in week 4 at Baltimore then at Buffalo, hard to win back to back on the road, then they have Denver at home then they fly way out to Seattle. These coast to coast situations favor the home team big time. Time zones. I can see them maybe dropping a couple there, very realistic to think that. Late in the season Houston/Niners back to back. 13-3 a very real possibility, I see 12-4.

Looking at their roster I only see a Mayo as a stud defender. Keep in mind..31...on D? Thank God for number...2...on O. Hightower is just a rookie, why so high on him? Picking up Fanene will help. They will miss Carters 10 sacks.

The thing is can they win more games than the Ravens and secure that home field? I really do believe that will be a major factor in them getting to another SB. I see the Ravens going...12-4 also, wow talk about drama. Big game on the 23rd of Sept.

The bottom line is that they had the 31st ranked D, they no longer have their stud sack man. The Pats will do what they do, that being score a lot of points. I have little faith in that defense. 31 vs the pass, ouch! Middle of the pack vs the run.

But, it was what it was last season and they made it to the big show. But as we saw when it came down to brass tacks the better defense won the Championship belt.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Looking at their roster I only see a Mayo as a stud defender. Keep in mind..31...on D? Thank God for number...2...on O. Hightower is just a rookie, why so high on him? Picking up Fanene will help. They will miss Carters 10 sacks.
Hightower is a rookie but he was the signal caller of the most complex D in college football and BB has praised him unlike he's ever praised a rookie linebacker before. He ain't gonna be a star this year, but the combo of Hightower and Spikes ensures Mayo doesn't ever have to play on the strong side and he'll be able to go for more big plays. The last few years, Mayo has always had to go for the safe play because of how shitty the secondary and other LBs were.

Wilfork is also the most important player on New England not named Tom Brady, I'd consider him a stud defender.



The thing is can they win more games than the Ravens and secure that home field? I really do believe that will be a major factor in them getting to another SB. I see the Ravens going...12-4 also, wow talk about drama. Big game on the 23rd of Sept.
If Suggs ends up missing the entire year, Baltimore's D is gonna take a step back.


The bottom line is that they had the 31st ranked D, they no longer have their stud sack man. The Pats will do what they do, that being score a lot of points. I have little faith in that defense. 31 vs the pass, ouch! Middle of the pack vs the run.
Their 31st ranked D was largely due to having worse secondary play than any other team last year. So far, their secondary projects to be much better. They had Josh Barrett and James Ihedigbo at free safety, two guys who shouldn't be on the field for more than special teams. McCourty also had a horrid sophomore slump. They had a stretch where Julian Edelman was playing corner because of how bad they were at the position. Everything that possibly could have gone wrong for them in the secondary did last year.

[Avante]

Hightower is a rookie but he was the signal caller of the most complex D in college football and BB has praised him unlike he's ever praised a rookie linebacker before. He ain't gonna be a star this year, but the combo of Hightower and Spikes ensures Mayo doesn't ever have to play on the strong side and he'll be able to go for more big plays. The last few years, Mayo has always had to go for the safe play because of how shitty the secondary and other LBs were.

Wilfork is also the most important player on New England not named Tom Brady, I'd consider him a stud defender.



If Suggs ends up missing the entire year, Baltimore's D is gonna take a step back.


Their 31st ranked D was largely due to having worse secondary play than any other team last year. So far, their secondary projects to be much better. They had Josh Barrett and James Ihedigbo at free safety, two guys who shouldn't be on the field for more than special teams. McCourty also had a horrid sophomore slump. They had a stretch where Julian Edelman was playing corner because of how bad they were at the position. Everything that possibly could have gone wrong for them in the secondary did last year.

Can't disagree with any of that. I'm like you and every other fan we see things on the positive side. Yep, Wilfort a stud. my bad! I can see why you're optimistic, like you said if it could go wrong...

Don't get me wrong the Pats don't need a top 10 D, their offense isgoing to score a ton, I do think a middle of pack would be about all. Not 30ish.

Yes no Suggs will hurt. If I'm a Pat fan (Niners) I'm paying close attention to the Ravens, they are the one team that could spoil things.

[LnGrrrR]

I really, really, really hope McCourty bounces back.

And yeah, the Ravens always play us rough.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I think the Ravens' window is shutting rapidly...you had the distinct feeling that it was the last real chance for Lewis, Reed, etc in that AFCCG. The one saving grace is that everyone thought Flacco was going to be the one to do them in (again), when in fact he played his balls off and was the best Raven on the field that night. Flacco was clutch last year (the antithesis of his career up until last season)--so if he can just stay more consistent then Baltimore still might challenge NE.

fwiw, Pittsburgh has reloaded too. Their secondary is showing signs of age, but they continue to have (and draft) beast linebackers and serviceable DLineman. Their offense should be beastly as long as Wallace remains.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Don't get me wrong the Pats don't need a top 10 D, their offense isgoing to score a ton, I do think a middle of pack would be about all. Not 30ish.
The unfortunate thing is, they don't need a top 10 D during the season, but I'm convinced their D will need to deliver at least one elite performance at the right time in the playoffs if New England is gonna win it all. The offense seems to have a playoff game every year where it lays an egg. Last year it was obviously the superbowl where they needed the D to close the game out even after how well the D played through 3 quarters. I've given up on Brady turning in 3-4 straight dominant playoff games, it's not gonna happen.


Yes no Suggs will hurt. If I'm a Pat fan (Niners) I'm paying close attention to the Ravens, they are the one team that could spoil things.
The biggest reason why Baltimore has always played New England tough is how bad Dan Koppen has been against 3-4 nose tackles (like Haloti Ngata) since 2007 (2009 playoffs against Ngata, 2010 playoffs against Pouha), and how unstable they were at right guard the last few years with Stephen Neal always ending the year on IR. Brian Waters signing and giving them immediate stability at RG coupled with Koppen going down and being supplanted by Connolly at C were two very lucky breaks last year that made their offense so dynamic.

If Mankins can make it to 90% full strength by the playoffs and if Waters can come back so Connolly doesn't have to move over to RG, then their interior line stays intact and it won't get abused by Ngata like it was in the 2009 game.

I also agree with DD to a large extent that there's a feeling last year was Baltimore's last chance. They lost their best lineman and Boldin has demonstrated how unproductive he is without someone like Fitzgerald opening up the middle of the field. They're gonna need Flacco to utilize Dickson and Pitta a lot more, and they'll need Kindle + Upshaw to step up as pass rushers.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I like Pitta's game...dude is a stud imho. Dickson seemingly drops 2/3's of his targets and was a big momentum killer several times for Baltimore last year.

[Avante]

Reading that Olympic sprinter Jeff Demps might be signing with the Packers.

He would be by far the fastest player they have ever had. Other than receiverr Stanley Morgan they have never had speed guys. Welker is more quick than fast.

Demps is a speed guy he does not break tackles, so his role, kick return/situational player..???

[Avante]

Reading that Olympic sprinter Jeff Demps might be signing with the Packers.

He would be by far the fastest player they have ever had. Other than receiverr Stanley Morgan they have never had speed guys. Welker is more quick than fast.

Demps is a speed guy he does not break tackles, so his role, kick return/situational player..???

Try Patriots...shesh!!!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

After the Eagles games here's what my ideal 53 man roster would look like-

QB - Brady, Hoyer, Mallett (3)
RB - Ridley, Vereen, Woodhead, Demps (4)
FB - (0)
TE - Gronk, Hernandez, Fells (3)
WR - Lloyd, Welker, Branch, Gaffney, Edelman, Slater (6)
T - Solder, Vollmer, Clifton (3)
G - Waters, Mankins, Cannon, McDonald (4)
C - Connolly, Wendell (2)
Total offense: 25

NT - Wilfork, Love (2)
DT/3-4 DE - Brace, Fanene, Deaderick (3)
DE/3-4 OLB - Jones, Cunningham, Ninkovich, Bequette, Francis (5)
LB/3-4 ILB - Mayo, Hightower, Spikes, Carpenter, Koutouvides (5)
CB - McCourty, Dowling, Arrington, Dennard, Moore (5)
S - Chung, Gregory, Wilson, Ihedigbo, Ebner (5)
Total Defense: 25

Specialists
K: Gostkowski
P: Mesko
LS: Aiken
Total specialists: 3



Jeff Demps over Bolden because they don't have any quality kick returners on the team with Tate gone
Gaffney/Branch over Stallworth since Demps makes Stallworth expendable as a kick returner
Clifton signed so they have more than 2 players who can play tackle
Cannon moved to guard as Waters' ultimate replacement
Trevor Scott hasn't shown enough to make the roster over guys like Bequette and Francis who have flashed potential
Koutouvides, Ihedigbo, Slater and Ebner are the 4 players who make it for their special teams prowess.

[LnGrrrR]

Well, Fanene got released, so you'll have to add a different name up there DoK...then again, they may just go with Love/Wilfork on the inside and rely on the hybrids to be on the edge.

[monosylab1k]

So are we actually gonna have a pass rush this season or not? If yes, then maybe things will be interesting. If not, I'll be here for the playoff loss meltdown.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Well, Fanene got released, so you'll have to add a different name up there DoK...then again, they may just go with Love/Wilfork on the inside and rely on the hybrids to be on the edge.
They'll prolly just start the year starting those two, Brace and Deaderick as backups, w/ Pryor on PUP as the eventual 5th guy.

The bright side is waiving Fanene means BB has seen enough of Brace to trust him this year.

[LnGrrrR]

So are we actually gonna have a pass rush this season or not? If yes, then maybe things will be interesting. If not, I'll be here for the playoff loss meltdown.

Meltdown, here we come. I foresee another drunken toilet hugging in my future this year.

[J.T.]

Meltdown, here we come. I foresee another drunken toilet hugging in my future this year.

What do you mean another? Celtics and Sox already sent you there this year?

[LnGrrrR]

What do you mean another? Celtics and Sox already sent you there this year?

I meant another, because that's what happened after the SB last year.

[LnGrrrR]

Pats cut both Stallworth AND Gaffney. Surprising, I figured only one would be cut. Looks like Branch will be the 3rd receiver. That means that when the Pats go five wide, we're likely to see Lloyd, Welker, Branch, Gronk and Hernandez. That's a pretty fearsome lineup.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

This also means they'll prolly run with 5 receivers (Edelman and Slater being the other 2), and keep 5 running backs (Ridley, Vereen, Woodhead, Bolden, Demps).

I hear some say this means they're prolly keeping Ebert but he's been so bad from what I've seen I sure as hell hope not.

[mavs>spurs]

:cry my foreskin :cry

I hereby circumcise your shitty posts from the nfl forum

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[LnGrrrR]

Tbh, Pats just getting all their losses out in the preseason.

[Blake]

As long as Welker remains Brady's number 1 target, no reason to think they can't be in the Super Bowl again

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol Welker
:lol shat on by New England's front office
:lol had to sit by and watch as Gronk and Hernandez got long term deals
:lol last year in New England
:lol back to irrelevancy

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So here's what I'd want the roster to look like:

QB - Brady, Hoyer, Mallet (3)
RB - Ridley, Vereen, Bolden, Demps (4)
FB - (0)
TE - Gronk, Hernandez, Fells (3)
WR - Lloyd, Welker, Branch, Edelman, Slater (5)
OT - Solder, Vollmer, Cannon (3)
OG - Mankins, Waters, Thomas, McDonald (4)
C - Connolly, Wendell (2)
Total Offense: 24

NT - Wilfork, Love (2)
4-3 DT/3-4 DE - Brace, Deaderick (2)
4-3 DE/3-4 OLB - Jones, Ninkovich, Cunningham, Scott, Bequette, Francis (6)
4-3 LB/3-4 ILB - Mayo, Hightower, Spikes, Carpenter, Koutouvides, Tarpinian (6)
CB - McCourty, Arrington, Dowling, Moore, Denard, Cole (6)
S - Chung, Gregory, Wilson, Ebner (4)
Total Defense: 26

Specialists:
K: Gostkowski
P: Mesko
LS: Aiken
Total Specialists 3



Outside of a few things that's also how it's most likely to end up.

Offensively, Belichick is prolly gonna keep Woodhead and go with 5 RBs which is a waste of a roster spot especially for a pass first team. While Lloyd makes their receivers better than last year there is a lack of depth at the position given Edelman and Slater are ST players for the most part. Gronk and Hernandez are obviously expected to have another huge year. The O-line is in better shape after Vollmer played well in the last preseason game and will probably be ready week 1. The interior of the O-line will depend completely on Waters. If he doesn't come back then I think the O-line shitting the bed at the wrong time in the playoffs is something we can expect.

Wilfork, Love, Brace and Deaderick are locks as the 4 interior linemen with Pryor hopefully coming back after week 6. The concern there is the lack of bodies if the same thing as last season happens where they want to use more 3-4, but the lack of bodies also indicates how much they think Love and Brace will do this year. They're loaded with depth at DE but the trio of Jones/Ninkovich/Cunningham is very unproven. Bequette's draft position is the only reason he's making the roster as both Scott and Francis have been better. Mayo/Hightower/Spikes is great against the run but there isn't much speed, and that tells me they plan on using a lot of 4-2-5 this year, which brings me to the secondary. The chances of them keeping 6 corners is slim to none, but Wilson and Ebner have both been better than expected at safety and the 5th safety was gonna be a strictly special teams player. With the injuries they have at corner every year and the necessity of depth at corner in the NFL, having both Moore and Denard seems more important than a 5th safety who can't play safety but plays special teams.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Well two surprise cuts already, Branch and Hoyer. Hoyer makes sense granted I thought he might have been able to fetch a late pick, Branch being cut hopefully means there's a receiver they plan on picking up because right now they only have two receivers who actually play receiver.

[LnGrrrR]

Well two surprise cuts already, Branch and Hoyer. Hoyer makes sense granted I thought he might have been able to fetch a late pick, Branch being cut hopefully means there's a receiver they plan on picking up because right now they only have two receivers who actually play receiver.

Very surprised on cutting Branch. Mildly surprised Koutavides didn't make it either. A few other special teamers (Ihidegbo or however you spell it) was cut too.

[LnGrrrR]

Welcome back Branch...

and Koutovides for that matter.

And :lol at releasing Salas... Guess Josh McDaniel's vouching for him wasn't quite enough.

[Fabbs]

They're schedule sets them up for no worse than 14-2.
psssssh.
Good luck on going 13-1 the rest of the way.

Dec when 9er comes to town prolly gonna be Randy Moss catching his 10th t.d. of the year as Brady gets picked 3Xs.
28-13 49ers.

[BUMP]

psssssh.
Good luck on going 13-1 the rest of the way.

Dec when 9er comes to town prolly gonna be Randy Moss catching his 10th t.d. of the year as Brady gets picked 3Xs.
28-13 49ers.

who's 9er?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

psssssh.
Good luck on going 13-1 the rest of the way.

Dec when 9er comes to town prolly gonna be Randy Moss catching his 10th t.d. of the year as Brady gets picked 3Xs.
28-13 49ers.
pssssh...well of course...who didn't have them losing at home to the Cardinals and losing Hernandez in the process?

[Fabbs]

pssssh...well of course...who didn't have them losing at home to the Cardinals and losing Hernandez in the process?
I dunno here's MultiTroll in advance:


Now before people go ape-shit, consider a few things:

-They're 9-2 in their last 11 games, despite shaky-at-best QB play.

-Of those 2 losses, one of them was a close one-possession loss at Cincy last year--the other was a 23-7 loss @SF before Thanksgiving.

-The defense has quietly been of the best in the league going back to last year.

-They haven't given up more than 23 points in a game since 10/30/2011--a game in which they blew a 24-3 lead @Baltimore.

If nothing else, I think you definitely have to BUY their defense being the real-deal

and


Don't sleep on the Cards' D as they went up to Foxboro, sight of the massacre a few years back, and beat one of the supposed Super Bowl contenders. Calais Campbell, Darnell Dockett and Patrick Peterson are holding that side of the ball up. I would say that the QB will be the undoing unfortunately. I need Larry Fitz to start picking up some FF pts though...the running game is kinda horrid. I'm going to have to sell though I want to buy.
but yeah i don't think anyone here laid money on the Cards.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Both those posts were made AFTER the Pats game:lmao

[BUMP]

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[log in/log out goods]

'bbs going up for the coast to coast highlight reel jam with Fitz sliding in front of him causing him to lose his balance, Sportscenter not top 10, Da na na....Da na na, etc

[Fabbs]

Both those posts were made AFTER the Pats game:lmao
another "Lock". :lol

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I dunno here's MultiTroll in advance:


Both those posts were made AFTER the Pats game:lmao


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[Lincoln]

Have y'all seen fabbs gf? Someone post the pic please, I'm horny

[Avante]

Not sure what all the fuss about. The Pats will win that candyass division so it really doesn't matter what we see right now. As we know the Playoffs are a different beast.

[Fabbs]

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They're schedule sets them up for no worse than 14-2.

[LnGrrrR]

So Kellen Winslow asked to leave the team. That was fun. Quick, get your jerseys! Half off! :lol