Who are you going to vote for?

[SnakeBoy]

I'm curious what some of you are planning to do in November. Particularly those who say you don't like Obama but reserve most of your criticism for Romney/Ryan/GOP.

So what will be your pick...

1.) Obama
2.) Romney
3.) 3rd Party. Who?
4.) Undecided
5.) Not going to vote

[MannyIsGod]

I'm undecided but won't be voting for Obama or Romney.

[Das Texan]

I'm hoping by some miracle that a real candidate will emerge.

Its not happening so I'll prolly vote for some third party candidate. It's really too bad that the political races this time out especially are being bought by the rich and powerful.

[symple19]

3rd party...No question about it

[xrayzebra]

I'm undecided but won't be voting for Obama or Romney.


So you are voting for Obama.:lol

[SnakeBoy]

Forgot to answer my own question...

Romney - unenthusiastically

[AFBlue]

If you reside in Texas does it really matter?

[LnGrrrR]

Assuming Obama has it in the bag, then a 3rd party. If it's close, Obama.

[clambake]

reluctantly, i'll vote for obama.........but only 6k times instead of 7k times.

[CuckingFunt]

Obama. I've been disappointed in him as a president, but not enough to completely pull my support given the options. There are things he's done I haven't liked, and positions with which I disagree, but his views are still by far the closest to my own on the issues that matter the most to me. Especially compared to Romney who, in the real world, is the only other person who's got a chance.

In general, I really hate that our decision continuously comes down to a choice between multiple evils, and would in theory love the idea of an electable third party candidate, but it ain't going to happen. I'm not terribly overjoyed with any of the other candidates this year anyway, so it's a moot point, but we all know that the person who wins is going to be either a Democrat or a Republican. Barring the future development of a third party candidate about whom I am genuinely excited/passionate, for as long as our elections come down to the lesser of two evils, I'll keep voting for the lesser. Can't live with the possibility that I stayed home and the greater of those evils ended up with the job.

[SnakeBoy]

Assuming Obama has it in the bag, then a 3rd party. If it's close, Obama.

What is the rationale behind that? Clearly you want Obama to have a 2nd term so why not just vote for Obama?

[benefactor]

If you reside in Texas does it really matter?
Bingo.

[ElNono]

Haven't registered yet, so right now option 5... honestly, not a lot of incentive to register and vote option 3...

[DarrinS]

Assuming Obama has it in the bag, then a 3rd party. If it's close, Obama.

He has it in the bag, so vote 3rd party. And tell a friend.

[baseline bum]

If you reside in Texas does it really matter?

This.

[CuckingFunt]

Haven't registered yet, so right now option 5...

This is true for me, too, at the moment. I'm currently in limbo and not registered anywhere, so unless I get my shit together and register before I'm out of time, all of my postulating is for naught.

[baseline bum]

Haven't registered yet, so right now option 5... honestly, not a lot of incentive to register and vote option 3...

WTF? We're letting illegals vote now? :pctoss

[ElNono]

:lol

[DarrinS]

I will vote for who I think will best handle the economy.

[SnakeBoy]

If you reside in Texas does it really matter?

What does that have to do with the question? You could say the same about most states.

[ElNono]

You could say the same about most states.

Another reason why there's not much incentive to register and go vote 3rd party... NJ will likely go blue no matter what...

[baseline bum]

I will vote for who I think will best handle the economy.

You're writing-in Limbaugh? smh

[mavs>spurs]

I'm writing myself in

[DarrinS]

You're writing-in Limbaugh? smh

I wanted Ryan to run for POTUS, so you know who I'm voting for.

[LnGrrrR]

He has it in the bag, so vote 3rd party. And tell a friend.

:lol :tu

[MannyIsGod]

I wanted Ryan to run for POTUS, so you know who I'm voting for.

So you like the Ryan plan?

[Latarian Milton]

it ain't bothering me whoever gets elected, bored of helping make up the political scam when i can't make my voices heard anyways

[DarrinS]

So you like the Ryan plan?

I like that he's not afraid to do what's right, even if unpopular. Probably still needs some tweaks. What other plans have been put forth?

[MannyIsGod]

I haven't seen many economists say that Ryan's plan is worth a damn. I'm not sure what you mean by right.

[Yonivore]

I haven't seen many economists say that Ryan's plan is worth a damn. I'm not sure what you mean by right.
What have economists said about Obama's plan?

[mavs>spurs]

that it sucks ass

[jack sommerset]

Romney. God bless

[symple19]

All these people who say they'll vote differently if it's close is yet another reason to kill the awful electoral college

[Clipper Nation]

I will either vote for GOP nominee Ron Paul, or write in Ron Paul, tbh.... Ron bless

[Clipper Nation]

All these people who say they'll vote differently if it's close is yet another reason to kill the awful electoral college
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the electoral college, tbh.... this nation is a democratic republic, not a mob rule democracy... by having the 50 states' electors elect the president, every single state has a voice in who wins... going only on popular vote would make pretty much every state besides New York, California, and Texas completely irrelevant to the political process and would intensify pandering....

The REAL issue with the voting process are the dumbass sheeple voters who don't do their research, fall for lame cable news spin and picky semantics arguments, and give their votes to establishment candidates who won't significantly change anything under the delusional assumption that they will, tbh..... the second biggest issue is the large number of fucking selfish, out-of-touch Baby Boomers, who voted their way into unsustainable entitlements and now will vote for anyone who will keep the gravy train going, and to hell with the financial future for the rest of us....

[MannyIsGod]

What have economists said about Obama's plan?

Probably poor things as well. I don't see how that makes Ryan's plan any better.

[MannyIsGod]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the electoral college, tbh.... this nation is a democratic republic, not a mob rule democracy... by having the 50 states' electors elect the president, every single state has a voice in who wins... going only on popular vote would make pretty much every state besides New York, California, and Texas completely irrelevant to the political process and would intensify pandering....

The REAL issue with the voting process are the dumbass sheeple voters who don't do their research, fall for lame cable news spin and picky semantics arguments, and give their votes to establishment candidates who won't significantly change anything under the delusional assumption that they will, tbh..... the second biggest issue is the large number of fucking selfish, out-of-touch Baby Boomers, who voted their way into unsustainable entitlements and now will vote for anyone who will keep the gravy train going, and to hell with the financial future for the rest of us....

There's really no good reason that a person in vermont or iowa should have more pull than a person in Texas or California. The Electoral College is ridiculous and completely unequal. If it was gone each person's vote would matter the same. The electoral college is what intensifies the pandering. Not sure how you can argue the opposite.

[Drachen]

If you reside in Texas does it really matter?

Yes, unless you vote for one of the top two parties.

I don't understand why people want to continue the two party hegemony. vote third party, try to get them to 5% so that they have a small chance to start making a dent in national politics. Cucking and nono should get it together and vote third party.

/soapbox

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm probably gonna be lazy and not vote at all. Don't care enough to show up and wait in line and shit.

[symple19]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the electoral college, tbh.... this nation is a democratic republic, not a mob rule democracy... by having the 50 states' electors elect the president, every single state has a voice in who wins... going only on popular vote would make pretty much every state besides New York, California, and Texas completely irrelevant to the political process and would intensify pandering....

The REAL issue with the voting process are the dumbass sheeple voters who don't do their research, fall for lame cable news spin and picky semantics arguments, and give their votes to establishment candidates who won't significantly change anything under the delusional assumption that they will, tbh..... the second biggest issue is the large number of fucking selfish, out-of-touch Baby Boomers, who voted their way into unsustainable entitlements and now will vote for anyone who will keep the gravy train going, and to hell with the financial future for the rest of us....

You make some good points, imo, but Manny pretty much gave you a good reply that reflects how I feel

[symple19]

I'm probably gonna be lazy and not vote at all. Don't care enough to show up and wait in line and shit.

we need more smart people to vote, not less


Apathy is going to end up killing this great nation

[CosmicCowboy]

So you like the Ryan plan?

do I want to own every detail of the plan he negotiated?

No

Do I respect the fact that he recognizes that there really is a problem and he hung his ass out there with a real plan to reduce the deficit?

Yes.

Keep voting for platitudes. YES WE CAN!!!!!!!...:depressed

[symple19]

I don't understand why people want to continue the two party hegemony


This is also how I feel... Lets kill the electoral college and topple the two party system

I can think of few things that would do this country more good (at least politically)

[mavs>spurs]

This is also how I feel... Lets kill the electoral college and topple the two party system

I can think of few things that would do this country more good (at least politically)

This. They're all crooks and need to go. I'd take it a step further and say we start prosecuting some of these assholes and bringing them to justice to set an example.

[baseline bum]

do I want to own every detail of the plan he negotiated?

No

Do I respect the fact that he recognizes that there really is a problem and he hung his ass out there with a real plan to reduce the deficit?

Yes.

Keep voting for platitudes. YES WE CAN!!!!!!!...:depressed

What don't you like about Ryan's plan?

[SnakeBoy]

I don't see how that makes Ryan's plan any better.

Why does the Ryan plan play so much of a factor with your decision? We aren't voting on the Ryan plan, and we really aren't voting on the Romney plan or the Obama plan (neither of them have one).

[CosmicCowboy]

What don't you like about Ryan's plan?

I'm not all that crazy about continuing to try to be the worlds policeman and keeping to fund the military at 100% while cutting back elsewhere. (if I interpret it correctly) someone please correct me if I am wrong.

[Latarian Milton]

Yes, unless you vote for one of the top two parties.

I don't understand why people want to continue the two party hegemony. vote third party, try to get them to 5% so that they have a small chance to start making a dent in national politics. Cucking and nono should get it together and vote third party.

/soapbox

probably because there're too many minor groups that could possibly become a third party besides democrats and republicans, and people cannot tacitly cast their votes to the same unknown party and make it a 3rd power instantly imho

[ElNono]

Here's a simple question since this is my first election in this country:

If you register, you don't have an obligation to go cast a vote on election date, correct?

Registering by mail looks easy enough. I'm just not sure if I'm gonna lazy out on election date. Not a lot of enthusiasm here, tbh...

[baseline bum]

I'm voting for Kodos.

[symple19]

Here's a simple question since this is my first election in this country:

If you register, you don't have an obligation to go cast a vote on election date, correct?

Registering by mail looks easy enough. I'm just not sure if I'm gonna lazy out on election date. Not a lot of enthusiasm here, tbh...

no, there's no obligation

I'll never fucking understand people who don't vote... It's beyond me

[CuckingFunt]

Here's a simple question since this is my first election in this country:

If you register, you don't have an obligation to go cast a vote on election date, correct?

Registering by mail looks easy enough. I'm just not sure if I'm gonna lazy out on election date. Not a lot of enthusiasm here, tbh...

It's well within your rights as a 'Murrican to register and then forever ignore the election process completely.

[CuckingFunt]

I'm voting for Kodos.

Kang is the clear choice.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

we need more smart people to vote, not less


Apathy is going to end up killing this great nation
I live in Arizona and I'm not exactly proud of Obama or the Democratic party, and I'm certainly not voting for 2 morons who STILL preach supply-side economics after its 30 years of failure. No one in politics remotely agrees with my views (i.e. not wasting billions keeping old people alive) so i don't see any reason to vote.

[ElNono]

no, there's no obligation


It's well within your rights as a 'Murrican to register and then forever ignore the election process completely.

Thanks.


I'll never fucking understand people who don't vote... It's beyond me

I guess after being obligated to cast a vote for many years, actually having the option to not do it is somewhat appealing.

[symple19]

and one more thing, since I'm on my soapbox

They also need to take away the ability to vote along a single party line.

Eh, maybe not such a good idea... turnout would go down even further if people had to actually read their ballot and think critically in each race

[mavs>spurs]

They shouldn't even say on the ballot whether or not the person is Dem or Rep. You'd better research beforehand and know who these people are or don't bother showing up.

[symple19]

I live in Arizona and I'm not exactly proud of Obama or the Democratic party, and I'm certainly not voting for 2 morons who STILL preach supply-side economics after its 30 years of failure. No one in politics remotely agrees with my views (i.e. not wasting billions keeping old people alive) so i don't see any reason to vote.

I get it dude, for sure. You're stuck in a red state with shitty options. But ultimately, imo, the local races are going to affect you more than will the presidential one, and they are often very close

[AFBlue]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the electoral college, tbh.... this nation is a democratic republic, not a mob rule democracy... by having the 50 states' electors elect the president, every single state has a voice in who wins...

The REAL issue with the voting process are the dumbass sheeple voters who don't do their research, fall for lame cable news spin and picky semantics arguments, and give their votes to establishment candidates who won't significantly change anything under the delusional assumption that they will, tbh.....

:lol every vote counts = "mob rule"

The electoral college marginalizes the vote and voice of millions of Americans.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I get it dude, for sure. You're stuck in a red state with shitty options. But ultimately, imo, the local races are going to affect you more than will the presidential one, and they are often very close
I'm leaving this backwater shithole once I'm done with school and get a job on the east coast, so the local elections won't affect me much either :lol

[symple19]

I guess after being obligated to cast a vote for many years, actually having the option to not do it is somewhat appealing.

I guess I can dig that. You're Argentine, right? Didn't know there was an obligation down there.

[AFBlue]

Yes, unless you vote for one of the top two parties.

I don't understand why people want to continue the two party hegemony. vote third party, try to get them to 5% so that they have a small chance to start making a dent in national politics. Cucking and nono should get it together and vote third party.

/soapbox

Not enough grass roots support for that kind of derailment of the status quo, tbh. The problem with "third party" is that it means so many things to so many people...makes it hard to rally around a specific candidate. Meanwhile, you have the two big parties doing their best to bring any grass roots movement under their umbrella to control it and ultimately broaden their base of support.

[symple19]

I'm leaving this backwater shithole once I'm done with school and get a job on the east coast, so the local elections won't affect me much either :lol

I can parry that one too...Most of NYC was a disgusting shithole in the 70's and 80's, while now it looks like a different planet in many places...The revitalization of Brooklyn being the centerpiece, imo. Granted, parts are still hellish, but mostly the work (politically) was done by local officials who had to be voted in

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I've got family that lives in the nicest burbs (Jew connections NIGGA) just outside of Queens. If I get a job in Manhattan I can live with them rent free and take the train every day. My living expenses will be low while I'll be getting higher salary people get when they start in NYC.

[vy65]

Can I write in alex jones?

inf:lolw:lolrs

[Clipper Nation]

There's really no good reason that a person in vermont or iowa should have more pull than a person in Texas or California.
There is a good reason: the President governs 50 states, not just two... therefore, all 50 should have a say...


The Electoral College is ridiculous and completely unequal. If it was gone each person's vote would matter the same.
Wrong, tbh... in a popular vote system, all a candidate would really need to do to become president is win a clear majority of the vote in Texas, Florida, New York, and California, and barely eke out a respectable percentage everywhere else....


The electoral college is what intensifies the pandering. Not sure how you can argue the opposite.
Pandering is way too prevalent now, but just imagine how bad it could get if the candidates literally only had to campaign in a select few large population centers that run the gamut of political opinions... everybody would be forced into the middle, and we would officially have no real choice anymore, tbh....

[Latarian Milton]

There's really no good reason that a person in vermont or iowa should have more pull than a person in Texas or California. The Electoral College is ridiculous and completely unequal. If it was gone each person's vote would matter the same. The electoral college is what intensifies the pandering. Not sure how you can argue the opposite.

MannyIsGook making yet another retarded proposal imho. if each person's vote is counted equally on the national scale, they might as well expand the voting to other countries and make it a ASG style so you chinks would control the US politics like they should do, right?

if the US annexed china as the 51st state someday, then the asian state with a population of over a billion would pretty much dominate the whole union, and that's definitely not what the real americans want to see tbh. just give them a fair number of electoral votes based on their relevance and they have nothing to complain about tbh.

seriously tho, if the election counts people's total votes instead of electoral votes, states like texas and california would pretty much dominate the election and exceedingly the whole country. even texans & calis won't want this happening tbh

[Winehole23]

I like that he's not afraid to do what's right, even if unpopular. Probably still needs some tweaks. What other plans have been put forth?TARP,stimulus and auto bailout "yea" votes show his bona fides there.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

There is a good reason: the President governs 50 states, not just two... therefore, all 50 should have a say...
Yeah, and a simple popular vote would do just that.

[SnakeBoy]

I've got family that lives in the nicest burbs (Jew connections NIGGA) just outside of Queens. If I get a job in Manhattan I can live with them rent free and take the train every day. My living expenses will be low while I'll be getting higher salary people get when they start in NYC.

So get out of school, make a high salary, and mooch off of relatives. Sounds like a great plan.

[Clipper Nation]

The electoral college marginalizes the vote and voice of millions of Americans.
The popular vote system would marginalize the vote of southern and western states, which tend to favor property rights, fiscal conservatism, and the Second Amendment, while amplifying the voice of large left-leaning population centers, tbh...

[Winehole23]

I'm voting for Gary Johnson.

[vy65]

The popular vote system would marginalize the vote of southern and western states, which tend to favor property rights, fiscal conservatism, and the Second Amendment, while amplifying the voice of large liberal population centers, tbh...

popular vote =|= winner take all on a state by state basis.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So get out of school, make a high salary, and mooch off of relatives. Sounds like a great plan.
It's a lot better than working 80 hours a week and spending most of the money paying rent on some shithole studio apartment in Manhattan. Being able to save money in your 20s is the only way people my age are gonna be able to retire before age 80.

[symple19]

I've got family that lives in the nicest burbs (Jew connections NIGGA) just outside of Queens. If I get a job in Manhattan I can live with them rent free and take the train every day. My living expenses will be low while I'll be getting higher salary people get when they start in NYC.

That sounds great. I would cut off a toe to live in NYC. Sadly, although I keep getting better jobs, I keep moving farther away from water, and thus deeper into the boring interior of these United States

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The popular vote system would marginalize the vote of southern and western states, which tend to favor property rights, fiscal conservatism, and the Second Amendment, while amplifying the voice of large left-leaning population centers, tbh...
I'm all for marginalizing the vote of bible banging jizz rags in Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas and Louisiana.

I also don't get how a popular vote marginalizes their vote. Someone in Alabama would have the same vote as someone in California.

[Clipper Nation]

I'm voting for Gary Johnson.
I've thought about voting Gary Johnson if the Ron Paul delegates don't pull off the miracle in Tampa, but he's a fraud, tbh... he's pro-interventionism (wanted to send the military in to find Kony and suggested that we leave bases in Afghanistan), pro-drones, pro-subsidies, and pro-choice, so he's not a true libertarian, tbh... Ron bless

[jack sommerset]

I would like to see more people here cast a vote for Romney. God bless

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I've thought about voting Gary Johnson if the Ron Paul delegates don't pull off the miracle in Tampa, but he's a fraud, tbh... he's pro-interventionism (wanted to send the military in to find Kony and suggested that we leave bases in Afghanistan), pro-drones, pro-subsidies, and pro-choice, so he's not a true libertarian, tbh... Ron bless
True Libertarians are pro-choice

[ElNono]

I guess I can dig that. You're Argentine, right? Didn't know there was an obligation down there.

Yeah, voting is obligatory there unless you don't reside in the country or you have a proper excuse not to (ie: sick with doctor's note, etc).

[Clipper Nation]

True Libertarians are pro-choice
Ehhh... libertarians tend to be split on the abortion issue, tbh... I side more with Ron Paul's consistent pro-life approach... no abortion, no preemptive wars, no death penalty...

Both sides make valid points... the pro-choice libertarians argue that the government shouldn't make the decisions for the mother, while the pro-life libertarians argue that the fetus will eventually be a human being with rights, and that the mother shouldn't get to prevent it from being able to exercise those rights....

[ElNono]

I've got family that lives in the nicest burbs (Jew connections NIGGA) just outside of Queens. If I get a job in Manhattan I can live with them rent free and take the train every day. My living expenses will be low while I'll be getting higher salary people get when they start in NYC.

let me know, I'm 40 mins away... we'll go get a beer and watch kids get circumcised... :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Ehhh... libertarians tend to be split on the abortion issue, tbh... I side more with Ron Paul's consistent pro-life approach... no abortion, no preemptive wars, no death penalty...
Libertarians are supposed to be people who consistently side with giving government the smallest amount of control possible.

The government controlling what a woman can do to her body is as anti-libertarian as it gets.

[Clipper Nation]

Libertarians are supposed to be people who consistently side with giving government the smallest amount of control possible.
Libertarians also consistently side with the principles of non-aggression and self-ownership.... one could argue that aborting a fetus is an unsolicited attack on the fetus' property (their developing body), which goes against non-aggression, and also gives the doctor and the mother full control over the fetus' body and life, which goes against self-ownership....


The government controlling what a woman can do to her body is as anti-libertarian as it gets.
The FEDERAL government controlling abortion would be anti-libertarian... however, abortion is a perfectly legitimate state issue, tbh...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

let me know, I'm 40 mins away... we'll go get a beer and watch kids get circumcised... :lol
Tbh if I get a Big 4 or I-banking offer (unlikely since UA's finance department isn't very prestigious) in Manhattan I'm taking it on the spot. I'll have my CPA by the end of 2013 then I'm gonna move to NY and start bullying niggas.

[ElNono]

Tbh if I get a Big 4 or I-banking offer (unlikely since UA's finance department isn't very prestigious) in Manhattan I'm taking it on the spot. I'll have my CPA by the end of 2013 then I'm gonna move to NY and start bullying niggas.

tbh, if you have family and a place to stay, you should head there regardless...

[SnakeBoy]

It's a lot better than working 80 hours a week and spending most of the money paying rent on some shithole studio apartment in Manhattan. Being able to save money in your 20s is the only way people my age are gonna be able to retire before age 80.

People have a way of becoming angry watching someone make & save money while mooching off of them. If it works out though then more power to you.

[MannyIsGod]

Why does the Ryan plan play so much of a factor with your decision? We aren't voting on the Ryan plan, and we really aren't voting on the Romney plan or the Obama plan (neither of them have one).

Because Ryan's whole thing is the Ryan Plan. Without it he's just another congressman that no one cares about. It's his mark.

[MannyIsGod]

Here's a simple question since this is my first election in this country:

If you register, you don't have an obligation to go cast a vote on election date, correct?

Registering by mail looks easy enough. I'm just not sure if I'm gonna lazy out on election date. Not a lot of enthusiasm here, tbh...

I advise you to check what else is going to be on your ballot. The big press is obviously going to be the presidential race and other federal races but I promise you the biggest impact will be from referendums and other down ballot items/races. There are definitely going to races you'll want to vote on.

[MannyIsGod]

There is a good reason: the President governs 50 states, not just two... therefore, all 50 should have a say...


Wrong, tbh... in a popular vote system, all a candidate would really need to do to become president is win a clear majority of the vote in Texas, Florida, New York, and California, and barely eke out a respectable percentage everywhere else....


Pandering is way too prevalent now, but just imagine how bad it could get if the candidates literally only had to campaign in a select few large population centers that run the gamut of political opinions... everybody would be forced into the middle, and we would officially have no real choice anymore, tbh....

Answer me this: How much pull do the millions of democrats living in Texas have?

[MannyIsGod]

The popular vote system would marginalize the vote of southern and western states, which tend to favor property rights, fiscal conservatism, and the Second Amendment, while amplifying the voice of large left-leaning population centers, tbh...

This makes no sense. The popular vote would mean 1 vote = 1 vote. Not one vote in Ohio = 20 votes in Texas. The electoral college basically rewards certain states with above average populations and demographics that make them swing states.

If Michign isn't a swing state, there's probably no auto bailout. Thats a pretty damn huge influence. There's no doubt that in a popular vote system that places like NYC and Los Angeles would get more attention than they would now but thats only because they've been compltely marginalized now. You seem to think that its somehow fair and equitable that farmers in Iowa get far more attention than the two largest cities in our nation and that blows my mind.

It is undeniable that a popular vote system makes each person's vote equal regardless of where they live. The system should not be based off of campaigning and of of equality.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm voting for Gary Johnson.

I am leaning in this direction myself but I'm not sold yet. I have problems with large portions of Gary Johnson's platform but there's no true perfect platform for me.

I have known for some time that there was no way I could vote for Obama. I entertained voting for Romney for about a day and then realized that I couldn't and it was even worse than Obama.

I think Gary Johnson is it for me but I want to see what other options I have.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

People have a way of becoming angry watching someone make & save money while mooching off of them. If it works out though then more power to you.
I hear you, but when the people I'm mooching off have 3 empty bedrooms in their house and money is an afterthought for them, they aren't likely to get resentful :lol.

[DPG21920]

Im with DoK. I don't do the lesser of two evil thing. If im not inspired I see no reason to vote. It all ends up being the same crap overall anyways despite what they "campaign & promise" so it's all semantics when it comes to the two party bs anyways. They end up dealing with the same stupid issues over and over and nothing changes.

Until there is a system where your vote actually matters (lol electoral college) & until there is an opportunity for an agent of change, I'm not voting.

[symple19]

I hear you, but when the people I'm mooching off have 3 empty bedrooms in their house and money is an afterthought for them, they aren't likely to get resentful :lol.

Get ahead however you can, dude. No reason to not take advantage of a situation like that

[MannyIsGod]

It's a lot better than working 80 hours a week and spending most of the money paying rent on some shithole studio apartment in Manhattan. Being able to save money in your 20s is the only way people my age are gonna be able to retire before age 80.

Nah man, your plan is really really really smart. :tu

[MannyIsGod]

Im with DoK. I don't do the lesser of two evil thing. If im not inspired I see no reason to vote. It all ends up being the same crap overall anyways despite what they "campaign & promise" so it's all semantics when it comes to the two party bs anyways. They end up dealing with the same stupid issues over and over and nothing changes.

Until there is a system where your vote actually matters (lol electoral college) & until there is an opportunity for an agent of change, I'm not voting.

I used to get all high and mighty righteous about those who did not vote. After the abject sadness I felt and utter helplessness during the last election (2010) I completely understand people who do not want to vote.

[Winehole23]

I've thought about voting Gary Johnson if the Ron Paul delegates don't pull off the miracle in Tampa, but he's a fraud, tbh... he's pro-interventionism (wanted to send the military in to find Kony and suggested that we leave bases in Afghanistan), pro-drones, pro-subsidies, and pro-choice, so he's not a true libertarian, tbh... Ron blessanti drug war, anti-intervention (for the most part). pro choice is fine with me.

how is he pro subsidies, btw? which ones?

[Woo Bum-kon]

I'm going to be like all the cool kids and not vote.

[DPG21920]

I used to get all high and mighty righteous about those who did not vote. After the abject sadness I felt and utter helplessness during the last election (2010) I completely understand people who do not want to vote.

I really want to vote. I just don't want to vote on crap & on things that over 4 years don't really matter. Imo no matter who wins in these recent/current races, the overall outcome remains largely the same.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Im with DoK. I don't do the lesser of two evil thing. If im not inspired I see no reason to vote. It all ends up being the same crap overall anyways despite what they "campaign & promise" so it's all semantics when it comes to the two party bs anyways. They end up dealing with the same stupid issues over and over and nothing changes.

Until there is a system where your vote actually matters (lol electoral college) & until there is an opportunity for an agent of change, I'm not voting.
Idk what your politics are, but in my case, the few things the modern day Democratic party and Republican party agree on are things I disagree with them on. My ideal candidate would want the following things:



Raise the Cap gains tax to 25%
Raise the highest income tax bracket to a 40% rate
sharply cut military spending
sharply cut health care spending for 65+ YO people
sharply increase education spending so more people have the opportunities I was born with and did nothing to earn
legalize all drugs and cut off publicly funded rehab for addicts
tax the shit out of tobacco and other drugs
bring back trade tariffs
regulate the hell out of who's eligible to receive welfare (drug tests, etc.)

No candidate remotely agrees with most of that.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

And I'm not saying "I won't vote!" as if that's gonna make some sort of a statement. I'm simply saying that it's no longer worth it to me as all candidates do nothing but pander to "swing voters" these days where there's no difference between the two. The thread was asking who I'm gonna vote for and I answered.

[AFBlue]

This makes no sense. The popular vote would mean 1 vote = 1 vote. Not one vote in Ohio = 20 votes in Texas.

This.

My vote in Texas should count the same as Nono's vote in Jersey, but the sad fact is that neither of them matter at all. So what's my incentive to register my opinion on who I would like to govern this country?

Give everyone equal, and meaningful voice.

[DarrinS]

TARP,stimulus and auto bailout "yea" votes show his bona fides there.

Did any GOP in the house vote for the stimulus? Maybe my memory sucks.

[MannyIsGod]

Nah he just called it a monstrosity then tried to get the money from it into his state as much as possible. Very firm on is principles.

[baseline bum]

This makes no sense. The popular vote would mean 1 vote = 1 vote. Not one vote in Ohio = 20 votes in Texas. The electoral college basically rewards certain states with above average populations and demographics that make them swing states.

If Michign isn't a swing state, there's probably no auto bailout. Thats a pretty damn huge influence. There's no doubt that in a popular vote system that places like NYC and Los Angeles would get more attention than they would now but thats only because they've been compltely marginalized now. You seem to think that its somehow fair and equitable that farmers in Iowa get far more attention than the two largest cities in our nation and that blows my mind.

It is undeniable that a popular vote system makes each person's vote equal regardless of where they live. The system should not be based off of campaigning and of of equality.

The existence of the senate really destroys the idea of everyone's vote being equal also. It's asinine that boundary lines are given representation.

[ElNono]

Did any GOP in the house vote for the stimulus? Maybe my memory sucks.

Which one, dubya or barry's?

[ElNono]

At any rate, it would be Yes for dubya, No for Barry.... as you would expect.

[DarrinS]

Which one, dubya or barry's?

The one that was over 700 billion -- not 150.

[mercos]

I'm voting Obama, even though the vote is essentially meaningless in my state (Alabama). While I haven't been satisfied with everything he did, when put into context I think he's done an ok job. I'm not going to find someone I agree with 100% unless I'm running myself. My biggest beef with Obama has been his caving on the health care and tax issue.

I don't think this country can take another dose of hardcore supply side policy. The budget is already broken thanks to the Bush years, and if Romney gets his way with a 20% across the board tax cut, I think the damage will not be fixable. I am in favor of all tax rates returning to Clinton era levels, and Obama says he'll at least let the top rates go back up, so that is the closest option I have.

I disagree with the Republican's seemingly anti-minority stances on nearly every issue, but as a white person (of Jewish descent) they don't affect me personally. The GOP's economic policy is what prevents me from even considering them as an option. As long as they back this nonsense economic theory that is slowly destroying our country, I can not vote for one of their candidates.

[ElNono]

The one that was over 700 billion -- not 150.

Well, he also voted for Medicare Part D, an entirely unfunded program, which will cost more than either, or the wars, which already cost more than both combined.

I guess we need to redefine what 'fiscal conservative' really means.

[DarrinS]

I disagree with the Republican's seemingly anti-minority stances on nearly every issue, but as a white person (of Jewish descent) they don't affect me personally. The GOP's economic policy is what prevents me from even considering them as an option. As long as they back this nonsense economic theory that is slowly destroying our country, I can not vote for one of their candidates.

you know what's really good for minorities? Lower standards and welfare. Makes people proud.

[AFBlue]

The existence of the senate really destroys the idea of everyone's vote being equal also. It's asinine that boundary lines are given representation.

Those "boundary lines" are called states, which have their own rights and deserve equal representation in the laws that govern the Union. You're also forgetting that Congress is bicameral and the House, which shares the legislative responsibility, is really where the voter is truly represented.

[Jacob1983]

3rd party candidate, probably Gary Johnson

[Spurminator]

Because I'm in Texas, I am voting third party in the hopes that a third party will get enough of the vote to participate more significantly in future campaigns. I would vote for Obama if I was in a state where it would be close.

All told I believe the country will be in pretty much the exact same situation in four years with one President as it would have been with the other, because I don't believe the President amounts to any more than a talking head and a distraction right now. He's not the one running things.

So given that job description I am more likely to vote for the talking head that at least appeals, however minimally, to a more progressive and intellectual worldview. And while I hesitate to ever call Obama's rhetoric intellectual, it comes a lot closer than anything I've heard from a Republican Presidential nominee in years. The Republican mantle is one of stubborn and proud ignorance and I could never vote for anyone who appeals to people on that level.

[Koolaid_Man]

Idk what your politics are, but in my case, the few things the modern day Democratic party and Republican party agree on are things I disagree with them on. My ideal candidate would want the following things:



Raise the Cap gains tax to 25%
Raise the highest income tax bracket to a 40% rate
sharply cut military spending
sharply cut health care spending for 65+ YO people
sharply increase education spending so more people have the opportunities I was born with and did nothing to earn
legalize all drugs and cut off publicly funded rehab for addicts
tax the shit out of tobacco and other drugs
bring back trade tariffs
regulate the hell out of who's eligible to receive welfare (drug tests, etc.)

No candidate remotely agrees with most of that.


you left off your champion issue....legalize gay marriage on a federal level :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

lol @ this thread...while most of you people spend your time on this site trying to convince people you're sophisticated in political thought and will voting your conscience based on some moral compass of right and wrong...

I'll be voting for Obama..all day every day...and here is my official propaganda for 2012 campaign..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY-agNiOFNA&feature=relmfu

[Wild Cobra]

I'm curious what some of you are planning to do in November. Particularly those who say you don't like Obama but reserve most of your criticism for Romney/Ryan/GOP.

So what will be your pick...

1.) Obama
2.) Romney
3.) 3rd Party. Who?
4.) Undecided
5.) Not going to vote
I will take the lesser of the two evils and vote for Rolls and Royce.

http://anexconsview.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/romney-ryan-2012.png?w=580

[Koolaid_Man]

I will take the lesser of the two evils and vote for Rolls and Royce.

http://anexconsview.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/romney-ryan-2012.png?w=580


RR = Racist Republican

[Wild Cobra]

Because Ryan's whole thing is the Ryan Plan. Without it he's just another congressman that no one cares about. It's his mark.
Or is it just the only mark the liberal media tells you about?

[Wild Cobra]

Because I'm in Texas, I am voting third party in the hopes that a third party will get enough of the vote to participate more significantly in future campaigns. I would vote for Obama if I was in a state where it would be close.

I'm hoping liberal Oregonians are so fed up with Obama that that Oregon will go republican this time. Otherwise I would go third party too. Very slim chance of that however. Portland isn't the capitol of the North Left Coast by chance. Even has a theme show called Portlandia. Most the Willamette Valley population is also liberal. That's probably about 80% of Oregon's population.

[Koolaid_Man]

Or is it just the only mark the liberal media tells you about?

once the Democratic Brass finish with Ryan he won't even have a path to the presidency in 2016...:lol

this is just a small start...:lol


He's been in Congress for nearly 13 years, but Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) has only seen two of his bills pass into law during that time. Ryan, who Mitt Romney has tapped as his running mate (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/11/romney-ryan-appear-togeth_n_1767435.html), passed a bill into law in July 2000 that renames a post office in his district. Thanks to Ryan, the post office on 1818 Milton Ave. in Janesville, Wis., is now known as "Les Aspin Post Office Building."



The other time Ryan saw one of his bills become law was in December 2008, with legislation to change the way arrows (as in bows and arrows) are hit with an excise tax. Specifically, his bill amended the Internal Revenue Code to impose a 39-cent tax per arrow shaft, instead of a 12.4 percent tax on the sales price. The bill also "includes points suitable for use with arrows in the 11 percent excise tax on arrow parts and accessories."


Kevin Seifert, Ryan's congressional spokesman, did not respond to a request for comment.


this guy and his plan is a joke....:lol

[Wild Cobra]

You're writing-in Limbaugh? smh
LOL...

Write in Limbaugh/Coulter.

I wonder how many disenfranchised conservatives might do that?

Ever see the Half Hour News Hour?

Even liberals should get a laugh out of this clip:

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[Wild Cobra]

/Kool...

I see why you were pinked. Or is that punked?

[Clipper Nation]

RR = Racist Republican



Spurfan with the RARE, RARE goods, tbh...

[Clipper Nation]

anti drug war, anti-intervention (for the most part). pro choice is fine with me.

how is he pro subsidies, btw? which ones?

He gave taxpayer subsidies to the movie industry while governor of New Mexico... they were also "refundable" so the companies didn't even have to pay taxes to get the $$$.... that's the same crony capitalism shit we get from the two major parties tbh....

[PublicOption]

Obama.

[SnakeBoy]

I am leaning in this direction myself but I'm not sold yet. I have problems with large portions of Gary Johnson's platform but there's no true perfect platform for me.


What's there to be completely sold on? It's not like he has any chance to win.

[coyotes_geek]

Gary Johnson or Ron Paul.

[Yonivore]

I haven't seen many economists say that Ryan's plan is worth a damn. I'm not sure what you mean by right.
How many and which leading economists have you seen that say it is not worth a damn?

It preserves Medicare, as is, for those over 55 (probably those over 53 because it will take some time to get legislation passed). There will be no Grannies thrown from the cliff.

It give everyone else the option of remaining in Medicare or opting for private, federally subsidized insurance.

Ideal? No. But, it's a soft landing for an entitlement program that is in flames and falling fast -- even faster now that President Obama has robbed the program of more than $700 billion to pay for Obamacare.

It's better than Obama's 13-member death panel that will be deciding on what Medicare will pay to treat covered seniors.

I think the Romney/Ryan campaign should produce an Obama throws Granny from the cliff commercial of their own.

Right after that, they should produce a commercial where Obama lines a bunch of Delphi employees up by an open trench and murders them; after which UAW goon descend into the trenches and steal their shoes, jewelry, and gold fillings.

[Yonivore]

Romney/Ryan in 2012! "America's Comeback Team"

[Drachen]

Im with DoK. I don't do the lesser of two evil thing. If im not inspired I see no reason to vote. It all ends up being the same crap overall anyways despite what they "campaign & promise" so it's all semantics when it comes to the two party bs anyways. They end up dealing with the same stupid issues over and over and nothing changes.

Until there is a system where your vote actually matters (lol electoral college) & until there is an opportunity for an agent of change, I'm not voting.

and until people who are this fed up start making it a point to vote strategically and vote third party every time, none of what you say is going to happen.

People who say not voting is still a choice and that it shows their contempt for the process, etc are half right. It is a choice, you are choosing to let those in power know that they don't have to worry about you (and to a lesser extent your demographic anymore). Vote third party and you (and others voting for that third party) are showing that there is support for "X" platform. Or at the least, you still have to be paid attention to. If you get a third party to 5%, now you are starting to give real coverage to an alternate voice.

It will be slow, and it will suck, but I hypothesize that one of two things will happen

A) Say the Greens get federal matching funds. This will inspire the Libertarians and they may get a better turnout the next election and all of a sudden you have 4 voices instead of two. You are on your way to a permenant multi-party system.

B) Most people can't think more than two days ahead of where they are and this idea never catches on and I am wasting my time voting in every election in my life.

I am a realist, I understand that B is the likely outcome. I will probably be scoffed for even thinking A is possible, whatever. When I think of that, I think, "At least I know I will get 4 hours off of work every four years for something that takes 30 mins".

[Yonivore]

and until people who are this fed up start making it a point to vote strategically and vote third party every time, none of what you say is going to happen.

People who say not voting is still a choice and that it shows their contempt for the process, etc are half right. It is a choice, you are choosing to let those in power know that they don't have to worry about you (and to a lesser extent your demographic anymore). Vote third party and you (and others voting for that third party) are showing that there is support for "X" platform. Or at the least, you still have to be paid attention to. If you get a third party to 5%, now you are starting to give real coverage to an alternate voice.

It will be slow, and it will suck, but I hypothesize that one of two things will happen

A) Say the Greens get federal matching funds. This will inspire the Libertarians and they may get a better turnout the next election and all of a sudden you have 4 voices instead of two. You are on your way to a permenant multi-party system.

B) Most people can't think more than two days ahead of where they are and this idea never catches on and I am wasting my time voting in every election in my life.

I am a realist, I understand that B is the likely outcome. I will probably be scoffed for even thinking A is possible, whatever. When I think of that, I think, "At least I know I will get 4 hours off of work every four years for something that takes 30 mins".
The only thing that happens when you vote third party is that the greater of two evils gets the vote you would have given the lesser of two evils. To me, it only makes sense if you see absolutely no difference in the two choices you have.

[coyotes_geek]

The only thing that happens when you vote third party is that the greater of two evils gets the vote you would have given the lesser of two evils. To me, it only makes sense if you see absolutely no difference in the two choices you have.

That mindset is exactly why we have the two disfunctional parties that we have. Neither party has any need or incentive to actually be good at governing. All they're shooting for is to be the lesser evil.

[Drachen]

That mindset is exactly why we have the two disfunctional parties that we have. Neither party has any need or incentive to actually be good at governing. All they're shooting for is to be the lesser evil.

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BTW, you are absolutely right, it is just that this clip is what I thought of when I read the last sentence (specifically the very last part of the clip).

[elbamba]

The existence of the senate really destroys the idea of everyone's vote being equal also. It's asinine that boundary lines are given representation.

But for the senate, we would not have a USA today. No small state would have joined the USA without an equal vote through the Senate. The larger states only wanted a house of representatives which number of representatives would be determined by population. You can see why less powerful states are happy with a legeslative body that give them an "equal" vote.

[Drachen]

The only thing that happens when you vote third party is that the greater of two evils gets the vote you would have given the lesser of two evils. To me, it only makes sense if you see absolutely no difference in the two choices you have.

Funny, because when someone writes something like this, the only thing that happens is it shows that they are 100% behind their party without thinking critically about their candidate. To me, anyone who thinks critically about politics would never hold such a view.

[coyotes_geek]

BTW, you are absolutely right, it is just that this clip is what I thought of when I read the last sentence (specifically the very last part of the clip).

It certainly fits.

Love that movie. :tu

[TDMVPDPOY]

voting for a 3rd party...u be wasting votes,

obama will be a 2 term president, if the economy turns around...he might be 3 term if his lucky...

problem atm romney and ryan has alot going against them due to their private life and policy voting in the past...

[Clipper Nation]

obama will be a 2 term president, if the economy turns around...he might be 3 term if his lucky...
Did Obama suspend term limits without telling anybody or something? :lol

[Clipper Nation]

The only thing that happens when you vote third party is that the greater of two evils gets the vote you would have given the lesser of two evils. To me, it only makes sense if you see absolutely no difference in the two choices you have.
Voters like you have ruined our political process, tbh...

[coyotes_geek]

voting for a 3rd party...u be wasting votes,


Meh. Most people agree with you, but that's not how I see it. If I don't think red team or blue team have given me an acceptable candidate I'd much rather use my vote to tell them that than to sell out and go with the guy who I think is drowning closer to the surface.

[Drachen]

If you truly believe this is 100% rock solid


obama will be a 2 term president, if the economy turns around...he might be 3 term if his lucky...


The the exact opposite of this must be true in your mind.


voting for a 3rd party...u be wasting votes,

[leemajors]

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[ploto]

I will vote for Obama even though I live in Texas and it will not matter. While I do not agree fully with any candidate, I sure as hell can not vote for Romney/Ryan 2012. Truth be told, I would have considered the Romney that was governor of Mass., but he disappeared in order to get the nomination and then pandered further by selecting Ryan.

[Yonivore]

Voters like you have ruined our political process, tbh...
Actually, the 17th amendment and the feckless State legislatures abdicating their Constitutional obligation to select the President and Vice President have ruined our political process, tbh.

[Yonivore]

That mindset is exactly why we have the two disfunctional parties that we have. Neither party has any need or incentive to actually be good at governing. All they're shooting for is to be the lesser evil.
The moment State legislatures made it a popularity contest is when and why we have the two dysfunctional parties we have. Both parties have every incentive to pander to the most people possible in order to buy their votes.

If the States had kept the responsibility for selecting and sending the electors to December vote for President and Vice President, you and I would still have a modicum of control through our elected State representatives in the State House and State Senate.

[Yonivore]

I think Mitt Romney hit the nail on the head in his speech to the people of Chillicothe, Ohio, yesterday:


[Y]ou don’t hear any answers coming from President Obama’s re-election campaign. That’s because he’s intellectually exhausted, out of ideas, and out of energy. And so his campaign has resorted to diversions and distractions, to demagoguing and defaming others. This is an old game in politics; what’s different this year is that the president is taking things to a new low.

It wasn’t supposed to be this way.

In 2008, Candidate Obama said, “if you don’t have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare voters.” He said, “if you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.” And that, he told us, is how, “You make a big election about small things.”

That was Candidate Obama describing the strategy that is the now the heart of his campaign.

His campaign and his surrogates have made wild and reckless accusations that disgrace the office of the Presidency. Another outrageous charge came a few hours ago in Virginia. And the White House sinks a little bit lower.

This is what an angry and desperate Presidency looks like.

President Obama knows better, promised better and America deserves better.

Over the last four years, this President has pushed Republicans and Democrats as far apart as they can go. And now he and his allies are pushing us all even further apart by dividing us into groups. He demonizes some. He panders to others. His campaign strategy is to smash America apart and then cobble together 51 percent of the pieces.

If an American president wins that way, we all lose. …

Everywhere I go in America there are monuments that list those who have given their lives. There is no mention of their race, their party affiliation or what they did for a living. They lived and died under a single flag fighting for a single purpose. They pledged allegiance to the United States of America. So, Mr. President, take your campaign of division and anger and hate back to Chicago and let us get about rebuilding and reuniting America.

[Creepn]

Did Obama suspend term limits without telling anybody or something? :lol

Happened for Roosevelt.

[Clipper Nation]

Actually, the 17th amendment and the feckless State legislatures abdicating their Constitutional obligation to select the President and Vice President have ruined our political process, tbh.
The mentality that we must pick one of two teams, carry water for them at all costs, and vote for whatever bankster-serving, warmongering shill they put in front of us without question is what allows the self-serving Constitution-haters in Congress and the state legislatures to gain power, tbh.....

It's all strategic - the two establishment candidates in every race always obsess over minor semantics arguments, play to voters' prejudices, and try to rile people up to "just vote the bums out"... that way, they don't actually have to discuss policy, because chances are, they'd agree on 99.9% of policy matters, all of which are geared towards destroying our liberty... and people like you just fall for the scam every election cycle like clockwork...

[Drachen]

I think Mitt Romney hit the nail on the head in his speech to the people of Chillicothe, Ohio, yesterday:

LOL! Who came to the right on his signature piece of legislation even after it was clear that it would still get no votes from the right and who said that their number one priority is to keep whom from being elected to a second term?

Disagree with his positions all you want, but to try to build up this fantasy that he has been the wedge just further proves this


that they are 100% behind their party without thinking critically about their candidate.

[Clipper Nation]

Happened for Roosevelt.
Yeah, but it wasn't against the law back then, it was just an informal tradition that he broke, tbh.... a few years after he left office, the 22nd Amendment was ratified, banning presidents from serving more than two terms, and it's been that way ever since....

[Yonivore]

The mentality that we must pick one of two teams, carry water for them at all costs, and vote for whatever bankster-serving, warmongering shill they put in front of us without question is what allows the self-serving Constitution-haters in Congress and the state legislatures to gain power, tbh.....
I think change starts with your local State representative and U. S. Congressperson. You're not going to effect change by continuing to field candidates that cannot outspend the the two parties.

You want change? Elect more Ron Pauls in your district races.


It's all strategic - the two establishment candidates in every race always obsess over minor semantics arguments, play to voters' prejudices, and try to rile people up to "just vote the bums out"... that way, they don't actually have to discuss policy, because chances are, they'd agree on 99.9% of policy matters, all of which are geared towards destroying our liberty... and people like you just fall for the scam every election cycle like clockwork...
And, if we returned to the original intent of the Constitution, these candidates would have to pander to people, in our State Legislatures, who are accountable to a relatively small number of voters.

If you don't like the way your State Representative voted in the presidential election, you'd have more influence than if you don't like how the majority of your fellow citizens voted.

[Creepn]

Yeah, but it wasn't against the law back then, it was just an informal tradition that he broke, tbh.... a few years after he left office, the 22nd Amendment was ratified, banning presidents from serving more than two terms, and it's been that way ever since....

You know your stuff. I'm impressed. :tu

[Clipper Nation]

I think change starts with your local State representative and U. S. Congressperson. You're not going to effect change by continuing to field candidates that cannot outspend the the two parties.

You want change? Elect more Ron Pauls in your district races.
And that's one of the goals of the Ron Paul movement, tbh..... that being said, it shouldn't matter which party these Ron Pauls come from, because your vote should be based on policy beliefs and actual ideas, not "rah rah go Team Red/Blue"...

If the next Ron Paul runs for president as a Democrat, I'll vote Democrat... if they run as a Libertarian, I'll vote Libertarian, etc...

[Yonivore]

And that's one of the goals of the Ron Paul movement, tbh..... that being said, it shouldn't matter which party these Ron Pauls come from, because your vote should be based on policy beliefs and actual ideas, not "rah rah go Team Red/Blue"...

If the next Ron Paul runs for president as a Democrat, I'll vote Democrat... if they run as a Libertarian, I'll vote Libertarian, etc...
Well, tbh, The Romney/Ryan smaller government, "you did build this," theme resonates more with me than does the Obama/Biden larger government, "shared prosperity" theme.

Perhaps Ron Paul should have spent his time in local politics, around the country, instead of running for President. Perhaps, though, there aren't enough Ron Pauls to achieve what you want.

I don't know much about Paul, does he advocate a repeal of the 17th amendment or a Constitutional amendment forcing State Legislatures to do their jobs instead of pushing it off on citizens?

[Clipper Nation]

Well, tbh, The Romney/Ryan smaller government, "you did build this," theme resonates more with me than does the Obama/Biden larger government, "shared prosperity" theme.
Yet they both share the same "give up your liberties for temporary 'safety' while we inflate the currency some more" theme at the end of the day tbh....


Perhaps Ron Paul should have spent his time in local politics, around the country, instead of running for President.
I think Paul's spent his time very productively as it is... standing for liberty in the House even when his positions aren't popular or easy, ethering Volcker, Greenspan, and Bernanke, writing extensively on Austrian economics and a liberty-oriented worldview, running a successful medical practice during his break from public life, and publicizing libertarian views during his presidential campaign... government needs more people like him at every level... Ron bless


I don't know much about Paul, does he advocate a repeal of the 17th amendment or a Constitutional amendment forcing State Legislatures to do their jobs instead of pushing it off on citizens?
He does call for repealing the 17th Amendment, tbh...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The only thing that happens when you vote third party is that the greater of two evils gets the vote you would have given the lesser of two evils. To me, it only makes sense if you see absolutely no difference in the two choices you have.
Voting 3rd party just for the hell of it when I don't even like the 3rd party candidate is another exercise in stupidity.

[Yonivore]

Yet they both share the same "give up your liberties for temporary 'safety' while we inflate the currency some more" theme at the end of the day tbh....
We disagree on this.


I think Paul's spent his time very productively as it is... standing for liberty in the House even when his positions aren't popular or easy, ethering Volcker, Greenspan, and Bernanke, writing extensively on Austrian economics and a liberty-oriented worldview, running a successful medical practice during his break from public life, and publicizing libertarian views during his presidential campaign... government needs more people like him at every level... Ron bless
A voice in the wilderness. His time would have been better spent visiting a majority of his fellow Congress Critters' districts and convincing the electorate there to abandon the two party nonsense and bring real reform to Congress.


He does call for repealing the 17th Amendment, tbh...
I like that. Now, have Ron Paul cultivate a candidate in my Congressional District that believes the same thing, and is electable, and you'll have two Ron Pauls in Congress.

[Bill_Brasky]

Not voting; both candidates the same. Not gonna stand in line for hours to choose between Jack Johnson and John Jackson.

[Yonivore]

Not voting; both candidates the same. Not gonna stand in line for hours to choose between Jack Johnson and John Jackson.
If you think these candidates are the same, I don't want you voting. So, thank you.

[Bill_Brasky]

If you think these candidates are the same, I don't want you voting. So, thank you.

:cry support the president :cry

Unless it's not the guy you voted for and you're still asshurt about it years later.

[ElNono]

Money wins candidacies... which in turn buys favor that return the money down the road... this is why you're not going to see a 3rd party candidate ever making a serious run.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I love seeing Republicans get really mad over "You didn't build that" because it makes them feel like they've actually built something :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

We disagree on this.
Well, it's just a fact, tbh.... Romney supports the PATRIOT Act, Obama extended it.... Romney wants a protracted military conflict in Iran, Obama wants one in Syria... Romney says he "would have signed" NDAA, Obama signed it... neither of them will ever end the Fed...


A voice in the wilderness.Ron Paul is the reason why the Federal Reserve, NDAA, SOPA/PIPA, etc. are mainstream political issues...


I like that. Now, have Ron Paul cultivate a candidate in my Congressional District that believes the same thing, and is electableHere's the problem.... neocons such as yourself who carry water for the team no matter what immediately brand anyone like Ron Paul as "unelectable" because they won't toe the neocon party line of warmongering and Christian theocracy, tbh.... Ron bless

[Yonivore]

Money wins candidacies... which in turn buys favor that return the money down the road...
But, how is that money and influence translated into votes -- the only thing that wins elections?

Persuasion.


this is why you're not going to see a 3rd party candidate ever making a serious run.
Remove the incentive to pander. Force the State legislatures to name the slate of electors that will vote on the President and Vice President -- separately, like it used to be.

[ElNono]

I love seeing Republicans get really mad over "You didn't build that" because it makes them feel like they've actually built something :lmao

Yeah, or getting worked up when told both parties stand for the same shit :lol

:cry my candidate is different, he's gonna use more lube and call himself Bush the 3rd.... different! :cry

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah, or getting worked up when told both parties stand for the same shit :lol

:cry my candidate is different, he's gonna use more lube and call himself Bush the 3rd.... different! :cry
Idk how many Republicans are lower middle class but say, ":cryI'm gonna ultimately be rich and when I am I don't want the Democrats taking my wealth away.:cry" The GOP does a remarkable job convincing voters who don't have two nickels to rub together that they're gonna one day be rich.

The best is seeing the "I'll keep my money guns and freedom, you can have your CHANGE" bumper sticker on a beaten to shit pickup truck. What money exactly are you keeping :lmao

[Yonivore]

Well, it's just a fact, tbh.... Romney supports the PATRIOT Act, Obama extended it.... Romney wants a protracted military conflict in Iran, Obama wants one in Syria... Romney says he "would have signed" NDAA, Obama signed it... neither of them will ever end the Fed...
On the one issue, most important in this elect, they differ greatly. Obama is pursuing policies that promise to redistribute wealth. Romney says he will pursue policies that free the engine of our economy to increase prosperity across the board.

You can disagree on whether or not either person is capable of achieving their objectives but, their objectives are very different.


Ron Paul is the reason why the Federal Reserve, NDAA, SOPA/PIPA, etc. are mainstream political issues...
Mainstream political issues among hundreds of other mainstream political issues. His fundamental political ideology is going nowhere because there aren't enough Ron Pauls to make a difference.


Here's the problem.... neocons such as yourself who carry water for the team no matter what immediately brand anyone like Ron Paul as "unelectable" because they won't support warmongering and Christian theocracy, tbh.... Ron bless
I vote Republican because Democrats are so fucking disastrous for our country.

Tell me, why does Ron Paul run as a Republican?

[ElNono]

But, how is that money and influence translated into votes -- the only thing that wins elections?

Persuasion.

Hard to persuade anybody when you're not given the chance. Let's be frank here, guys that have the "party apparatus" behind them are the ones heard. This is how you ended up having to carry water for Mitt after ideologically supporting every other candidate during the primaries.

Gary Johnson is a good example of a guy that didn't get the apparatus support because he's not a team player, and thus he's been drowned into irrelevancy. Ron Paul would be another example.

[ElNono]

Idk how many Republicans are lower middle class but say, ":cryI'm gonna ultimately be rich and when I am I don't want the Democrats taking my wealth away.:cry" The GOP does a remarkable job convincing voters who don't have two nickels to rub together that they're gonna one day be rich.

The best is seeing the "I'll keep my money guns and freedom, you can have your CHANGE" bumper sticker on a beaten to shit pickup truck. What money exactly are you keeping :lmao

:lol well, you know, when the trickle down never comes you just...












Charge it to tha game!

[Clipper Nation]

On the one issue, most important in this elect, they differ greatly. Obama is pursuing policies that promise to redistribute wealth. Romney says he will pursue policies that free the engine of our economy to increase prosperity across the board.
Sounds like a direct and indirect way of saying the same thing.... in the end, money gets redistributed to the same banksters and special interests....


I vote Republican because Democrats are so fucking disastrous for our country.
"Rah... rah... Go! Team! Red!"


Tell me, why does Ron Paul run as a Republican?
To get into debates... Ron bless

[baseline bum]

:cry support the president :cry

Unless it's not the guy you voted for and you're still asshurt about it years later.

:cry You go against President Bush, it's because you hate America :cry

:cry Fuck the nig in the white house now :cry

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:cry You go against President Bush, it's because you hate America :cry

:cry Fuck the nig in the white house now :cry
:cry not supporting President Bush is treason :cry


:cry if you don't support the Patriot Act you're not a patriot :cry

[baseline bum]

:cry not supporting President Bush is treason :cry


:cry if you don't support the Patriot Act you're not a patriot :cry

:cry It's ok to hate on the anti-war government nig since he's not a real president due to the lack of birth certificate :cry

[EVAY]

I'm one of the few remaining undecideds in the country.

Cannot stand some of Obama's cabinet picks, i.e. Holder (maybe the worst AG in history) and Sibelius (know her personally and cannot abide her self-righteous liberalism). Always fearful of a second term president (remember Bush II?) who doesn't have to worry about another election. Scary policy initiatives.

Cannot abide the R-R team's promise of a return to deregulation, supply-side economics and neo-con muscular foreign policy that gave us two unfunded wars (over a trillion combined), two unfunded tax cuts (over a trillion combined), unfunded Medicare Part-D, TARP, and the biggest financial collapse since 1929-1939.

I haven't yet figured out who IS the lesser of two evils.

Thought about not voting but this thread has convinced me I should do SOMETHING. Just unsure what.


I will vote to throw out my incumbent congressman because NO one in this congress deserves to be re-elected.

[Clipper Nation]

:cry Crackers for Cain proves our non-racism :cry

:cry We're not racist, but we still want racial profiling at the airport, support Muslim Brotherhood investigations, and think Zimmerman was innocent :cry

:cry No more big government, except for Middle East nation-building and Baby Boomer handouts :cry

[SnakeBoy]

Cannot abide the R-R team's promise of a return to deregulation, supply-side economics and neo-con muscular foreign policy

Return implies that we left those policies. Did we?

[Clipper Nation]

:cry It's ok to hate on the anti-war government nig since he's not a real president due to the lack of birth certificate :cry

:cry "Don't touch me, TSA, touch that scary brown person over there instead" :cry

:cry "We're not intolerant bigots, we just want a Christian theocracy that denies equal rights to gay people" :cry

[EVAY]

Return implies that we left those policies. Did we?

Dodd-Frank is a miserable excuse for effective regulation of the Wall Street traders, but it was at least lip service. The fact that the Jamie Dimon's of the world are still out there threatening another financial collapse is proof of how watered down the deregulation is, but it will only get worse under the R-R team because they have made it a plank of their platform (saying it will be a part of their platform) to remove Dodd-Frank and other financial reform efforts of the last few years.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:cry No more big government, except for Middle East nation-building and Baby Boomer handouts :cry
this reminds of this dumb tea party slut on TV who was holding a sign that said, "KEEP YOUR GOVERNMENT HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY!!!" :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Or when a McCain supporter was on TV screaming, "IF THAT SOCIALIST GETS ELECTED, I'M MOVING TO CANADA!!!"

[ElNono]

Always fearful of a second term president (remember Bush II?) who doesn't have to worry about another election. Scary policy initiatives.

tbqh, I wouldn't worry too much about this. Barry will propose some shit, then proceed to cave into whatever the right wants, then ultimately pass some nuanced shit probably close to what R-R would try to pass too or not pass anything at all.

[Yonivore]

Sounds like a direct and indirect way of saying the same thing.... in the end, money gets redistributed to the same banksters and special interests....
I disagree. The current redistribution of income is pushing the middle class into poverty and adding people to the unemployment and welfare rolls.


"Rah... rah... Go! Team! Red!"
Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama, two of the worst economic presidents of all time.


To get into debates... Ron bless
Didn't he originally run for his Congressional seat as a Republican?

[boutons_deux]

Dodd-Frank is a miserable excuse for effective regulation of the Wall Street traders, but it was at least lip service. The fact that the Jamie Dimon's of the world are still out there threatening another financial collapse is proof of how watered down the deregulation is, but it will only get worse under the R-R team because they have made it a plank of their platform (saying it will be a part of their platform) to remove Dodd-Frank and other financial reform efforts of the last few years.

Gecko: ‘No One Is Talking About Deregulating Wall Street’

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/08/15/694591/romney-deregulate-wall-street/

So I wonder why Wall st is contributing to Gecko at 10x their contribs to Barry? :lol

[DarrinS]

Lol @ Baseline bum and clipper nation having mental breakdowns in this thread

[Yonivore]

Gecko: ‘No One Is Talking About Deregulating Wall Street’

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/08/15/694591/romney-deregulate-wall-street/

So I wonder why Wall st is contributing to Gecko at 10x their contribs to Barry? :lol
Penance for putting President Goldman-Sachs in office 4 years ago.

[baseline bum]

Lol @ Baseline bum and clipper nation having mental breakdowns in this thread

Just quoting Santorum, son.

[DarrinS]

Penance for putting President Goldman-Sachs in office 4 years ago.

Lol

[ElNono]

Penance for putting President Goldman-Sachs in office 6 years ago.

fify

[ElNono]

Just another area where red = blue

[Trainwreck2100]

i live in Texas my vote doesn't matter, however I vote anyway cause you only have the right to bitch if you voted. May write in "These two assholes suck" but it's the same as voting obama anyway.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I might do a write in vote for Gabriel Santorum.


For the Arizona governor elections in 2010, I did a write in vote for Sarah Palin's retarded offspring, Trig.

[Yonivore]

Another difference...

Yes, Romney-Ryan would help Wall Street — and Main Street, too (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/the_rumble/2012/08/yes-romney-ryan-would-help-wall-street-%E2%80%94-and-main-street-too)


Romney/Ryan would be good for Wall Street, sure. But we shouldn't ignore how good a Romney/Ryan administration would be for Main Street too. Let's consider the anti-prosperity effects of one of the President's major legislative achievements, the Dodd-Frank banking bill.

Dodd-Frank was supposed to clean up Wall Street and prevent a recurrence of the Great Recession, in part by curtailing the "too big to fail" phenomena and completely overhauling the federal regulations that govern financial institutions. It was billed by the President as enacting "the strongest consumer financial protections in history."

How'd that work out? Not that well, actually. It turns out, predictably, that the big banks are most capable of adapting to the new regulatory burdens of Dodd-Frank, while the smaller banks are getting squashed by compliance costs. The result is that the existing "too big to fail" banks are getting a lot bigger, and the smaller banks are struggling to survive.

For Middle America, this is a disaster. Smaller banks, the community banks, were the backbone of American prosperity for decades. They were where you went for mortgages, loans and basic checking. But not for long. In no small part because of Dodd-Frank, the days of free checking and no-fee debit cards are drawing to a close. Incoming Dodd-Frank lending rules are about to make mortgages and home loans more difficult to get from community banks, putting Main Street at the mercy of the big banks that got us into this mess.

So Obama's banking bill, for all its good intentions, has made things worse. That's one of the reasons why Gov. Romney and Rep. Ryan are proposing to repeal Dodd-Frank and replace it. By reducing the cost of regulation to banks (while, of course, keeping necessary protections in place), we can reduce the costs to Main Street for the things they need to get the economy back on track. That's the true purpose of government — not to punish banks, but to get out of the way of the American consumer.

[baseline bum]

I might do a write in vote for Gabriel Santorum.

:cry Likely the best Republican option. :cry

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:cry letters to Gabriel :cry

[ElNono]

http://i48.tinypic.com/x55m5h.jpg

[baseline bum]

:cry letters to Gabriel :cry

:cry If you want to kill government no better option than a dead person in charge :cry

:cry Finally a candidate who will not sign one of congress' shitty budgets :cry

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:cry If you want to kill government no better option than a dead person in charge :cry
:cry Karen Santorum's abortion was different than a normal abortion because she aborted her baby in a classy way and then played with the fetus afterwards :cry

Karen Santorum = class :cry

[ElNono]

What's Gabriel's platform website, tbh? Sounds he's pretty different from the rest.

[baseline bum]

What's Gabriel's platform website, tbh? Sounds he's pretty different from the rest.

No cooperation whatsoever with congress appears to be the main theme.

[ElNono]

No cooperation whatsoever with congress appears to be the main theme.

I need to know who's he running with... he sounds like he could be pretty fragile :cry

[Clipper Nation]

I disagree. The current redistribution of income is pushing the middle class into poverty and adding people to the unemployment and welfare rolls.
And Willard's plan to counteract this is nothing more than vague platitudes and repeating the word "jobs," tbh..... I mean, ffs, his running mate thinks we're all too stupid to realize that sequestrations aren't the same thing as lasting budget cuts!


Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama, two of the worst economic presidents of all time.
George W. Bush, one of the worst economic AND civil liberties presidents of all time....


Didn't he originally run for his Congressional seat as a Republican?
He also ran for President the first time as the Libertarian nominee in the '80s.... in fact, he left the GOP altogether for a while back then..... Ron bless

[baseline bum]

I need to know who's he running with... he sounds like he could be pretty fragile :cry

Not sure when he's gonna pick a VP; could be a while tbh.

[ElNono]

I have $20 Crookskanks is voting Romney/Ryan...

[Clipper Nation]

this reminds of this dumb tea party slut on TV who was holding a sign that said, "KEEP YOUR GOVERNMENT HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY!!!" :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
:cry "I'm sick and tired of all these welfare queens, but social security queens like me deserve to be pampered!" :cry

[Clipper Nation]

:cry Karen Santorum's abortion was different than a normal abortion because she aborted her baby in a classy way and then played with the fetus afterwards :cry

Karen Santorum = class :cry
:cry "Her class makes her an ideal solution to the Spurs' bigs situation, she's more masculine than Bonner" :cry

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I have $20 Crookskanks is voting Romney/Ryan...
I'll bet she's writing in Santorum/Bachmann

Just imagine if Rick Santorum and Michelle Bachmann had a kid. It would be the ultimate neo-conservative bible thumping Islamophobic right wing mutant :lmao

[clambake]

I have $20 Crookskanks is voting Romney/Ryan...

don't pick on her. she broke a 10 commandment.



:nope no rapture for her!

[baseline bum]

I think Gabriel is the only Republican nominee who wouldn't sign the Ryan plan into law tbh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:cry "I'm sick and tired of all these welfare queens, but social security queens like me deserve to be pampered!" :cry
:cry I'm livid that people in this country are gonna get free healthcare because of Obamacare but I better get my medicare :cry

[Clipper Nation]

I think Gabriel is the only Republican nominee who wouldn't sign the Ryan plan into law tbh.
Ron Paul would chuckle at the Ryan plan while running it through the shredder, tbh.... Ron bless

[ElNono]

Not picking, tbh... just prognosticating...

[ElNono]

Just imagine if Rick Santorum and Michelle Bachmann had a kid. It would be the ultimate neo-conservative bible thumping Islamophobic right wing mutant :lmao

tbh, life has a way of balancing things... he would probably end up being a closet homosexual or something like that.

[baseline bum]

Not picking, tbh... just prognosticating...

Shouldn't your La Raza ass be voting for Marco Antonio Barrera or something?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Rick Santorum is a closet homosexual himself tbh

Those sweater vests he love to wear are basically an invitation for someone to come up and take a ride on his Hershey highway.

[ElNono]

Shouldn't your La Raza ass be voting for Marco Antonio Barrera or something?

What Raza ass? :lol

[LnGrrrR]

Another difference...

Yes, Romney-Ryan would help Wall Street — and Main Street, too (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/the_rumble/2012/08/yes-romney-ryan-would-help-wall-street-%E2%80%94-and-main-street-too)

:lol That article..



(while, of course, keeping necessary protections in place)


Funny how they don't define what's necessary.

[LnGrrrR]

I have $20 Crookskanks is voting Romney/Ryan...

I'll see that and raise you $100.

[ElNono]

I'll see that and raise you $100.

:lol

[Bill_Brasky]

:cry I'm livid that people in this country are gonna get free healthcare because of Obamacare but I better get my medicare :cry

:rollin

[MannyIsGod]

Funny, because when someone writes something like this, the only thing that happens is it shows that they are 100% behind their party without thinking critically about their candidate. To me, anyone who thinks critically about politics would never hold such a view.

Well look at who wrote it.

[MannyIsGod]

I think Mitt Romney hit the nail on the head in his speech to the people of Chillicothe, Ohio, yesterday:

Of course you do.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, or getting worked up when told both parties stand for the same shit :lol

:cry my candidate is different, he's gonna use more lube and call himself Bush the 3rd.... different! :cry

:lmao

[Trainwreck2100]

:cry all them college students protesting so they don't have to pay back their student loans, let the country default i don't give a shit :cry

[Trainwreck2100]

:cry republican gonna repeal the obama act that he needed republican help to pass :cry

[MannyIsGod]

:cry Karen Santorum's abortion was different than a normal abortion because she aborted her baby in a classy way and then played with the fetus afterwards :cry

Karen Santorum = class :cry

Oh shit - there's the Spursfan vote.

[Trainwreck2100]

oh shit - there's the gnspursfan vote.

fify

[MannyIsGod]

I have $20 Crookskanks is voting Romney/Ryan...

Yeah well I got 100 dollars water is wet.

[Trainwreck2100]

Yeah well I got 100 dollars water is wet.

is solid ice wet

[Yonivore]

Well, we now know for whom Obama's 2008 campaign co-chair will vote.

ROMNEY/RYAN!

Obama 2008 Co-Chair Hits Trail ... for Mitt (http://www.newser.com/story/152155/obama-2008-co-chair-hits-trail-for-mitt.html)

How long before Slow Joe calls him a racist?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:cry all them college students protesting so they don't have to pay back their student loans, let the country default i don't give a shit :cry
:cry I took out $80,000 of debt for my degree in Liberal Arts and I'm unemployed :cry

OCCUPY!

http://getoffwallstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/transgender-gay-lesbian.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

:cry I took out $80,000 of debt for my degree in Liberal Arts and I'm unemployed :cry

OCCUPY!

http://getoffwallstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/transgender-gay-lesbian.jpg
I hope you just forgot to use blue, and that it's not true.

[Trainwreck2100]

all the gems in this thread of course that's the only one you reply to

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

all the gems in this thread of course that's the only one you reply to
:lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

But Wild Cobra, it is true.

I just finished my degree in Liberal arts 4 years and 80k later. I haven't found work yet.

[Trainwreck2100]

i though you were accounting

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

i though you were accounting
No. I'm liberal arts. Obama gon' pay for my gas!

[ElNono]

No. I'm liberal arts. Obama gon' pay for my gas!

:lol

[Trainwreck2100]

No. I'm liberal arts. Obama gon' pay for my gas!
to where? you have no job

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

to where? you have no job
To the occupy protests.

[Clipper Nation]

Well, we now know for whom Obama's 2008 campaign co-chair will vote.

ROMNEY/RYAN!

Obama 2008 Co-Chair Hits Trail ... for Mitt (http://www.newser.com/story/152155/obama-2008-co-chair-hits-trail-for-mitt.html)

Just proves even more how similar Obama and Willard truly are, tbh....

[Wild Cobra]

But Wild Cobra, it is true.

I just finished my degree in Liberal arts 4 years and 80k later. I haven't found work yet.
What degree in liberal arts? Does it make for skills needed in a real job?

Supply and demand... How many others are there out there?

Are you working just any job? An employer is going to pick the best candidate. When they find people who fit the job, they have to weed the remainders out somehow to the one or few they need. One thing they look at in this stage and in this economy is if you are already employed. If the find a two good candidates, one not working, and the other flipping burgers at McDonald's... Which do you think they will hire?

Now I don't know your situation, but I have a loser brother-in-law that hasn't worked in years, but he is too good to find just any work as a stepping stone.

[Yonivore]

Just proves even more how similar Obama and Willard truly are, tbh....
No, if anything, it proves how far off the reservation Obama has strayed. If they were similar, Davis would have stayed a Democrat.

[Clipper Nation]

No, if anything, it proves how far off the reservation Obama has strayed. If they were similar, Davis would have stayed a Democrat.
But I thought every single Democrat was right there with Obama off the reservation in your world... :lol

[scott]

I will vote for Obama, but only if I can figure out a way to do so fraudulently.

[ElNono]

I will vote for Obama, but only if I can figure out a way to do so fraudulently.

You have 70 days to commit a felony, tbh

[Yonivore]

But I thought every single Democrat was right there with Obama off the reservation in your world... :lol
The ones that stay with him and think he's doing a bang up job, are off the reservation.

Like Mitt Romney has said, it's okay not to vote for him again.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

What degree in liberal arts? Does it make for skills needed in a real job?
Yes! I got a 3.9 GPA in Liberal Arts!


Supply and demand... How many others are there out there?
My art is more liberal than pretty much anyone else's art. There is NO ONE out there with artistic abilities as liberal as mine are.


If the find a two good candidates, one not working, and the other flipping burgers at McDonald's... Which do you think they will hire?
The one who's artistic skills are more liberal.


Now I don't know your situation, but I have a loser brother-in-law that hasn't worked in years, but he is too good to find just any work as a stepping stone.
When someone's art is as liberal as mine is, I'm not just gonna take any job. I've worked too hard liberalizing my artistic abilities.

[Yonivore]

I will vote for Obama, but only if I can figure out a way to do so fraudulently.
It's easy. Hell, you could cast a hundred votes for Obama if you were willing to spend some time at the nursing home getting friendly with the locals.

[MannyIsGod]

:cry I took out $80,000 of debt for my degree in Liberal Arts and I'm unemployed :cry

OCCUPY!

http://getoffwallstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/transgender-gay-lesbian.jpg

:lol What, starbucks wasn't hiring?