The President has 22 days to...

[Yonivore]

...drop Biden. Will he or won't he?

I say it depends on if he can give Hillary something Bill hasn't given her for a very, very long time. Satisfaction.

[Drachen]

(sad trombone)

[ElNono]

How long does Ryan has to ditch Mitt?

[Yonivore]

How long does Ryan has to ditch Mitt?
:lmao

22 days. The man is comedy gold.

[Wild Cobra]

That would be funny if Obama picked someone else.

[Yonivore]

That would be funny if Obama picked someone else.
You know he's trying to figure out how to do it and not look like an idiot -- which, by the way, he was, for ever selecting Plugs Biden as his running mate.

Remember? Joe was his foreign policy credentials. :lmao

[Wild Cobra]

You know he's trying to figure out how to do it and not look like an idiot -- which, by the way, he was, for ever selecting Plugs Biden as his running mate.

Remember? Joe was his foreign policy credentials. :lmao

Is that why we are attacking inconsequential places like Libya, and being friendly with real threats? helping radical Islam to overthrow and destabilize the parts of the Middle east that leave us alone?

[ElNono]

:lol @ the GOP laughing at anybody after consecutive picks of Palin, Romney and Ryan...

then you wonder why dumb Joe is the Vice President... :lol

[Yonivore]

Is that why we are attacking inconsequential places like Libya, and being friendly with real threats? helping radical Islam to overthrow and destabilize the parts of the Middle east that leave us alone?
No, I doubt Obama is listening to anything Biden says unless it's a "big fucking deal" but, in '08, he picked Biden because of he vast foreign policy experience. The man hasn't been right on any major foreign policy question in -- well -- forever; except briefly when he was in favor of the Iraq surge, changing to a harsh critic -- right before it worked.

[Yonivore]

:lol @ the GOP laughing at anybody after consecutive picks of Palin, Romney and Ryan...

then you wonder why dumb Joe is the Vice President... :lol
:lmao I think you have some spit in corner of your mouth, ElNono. :lmao

[George Gervin's Afro]

Is that why we are attacking inconsequential places like Libya, and being friendly with real threats? helping radical Islam to overthrow and destabilize the parts of the Middle east that leave us alone?

sincerley,

iraq war whore

[ElNono]

:lmao I think you have some spit in corner of your mouth, ElNono. :lmao

:lmao I think you're foaming at the mouth that you one-upped dumb Joe with dumb Palin :lmao

[Yonivore]

:lmao I think you're foaming at the mouth that you one-upped dumb Joe with dumb Palin :lmao
Nope. I still think Sarah Palin would have been a great Vice President. She's a great American.

Do you think Obama is happy with his choice of Vice President? Would you, if you were Obama, be looking for a way to replace him on the ticket?

[ElNono]

Nope. I still think Sarah Palin would have been a great Vice President. She's a great American.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Is that why we are attacking inconsequential places like Libya, and being friendly with real threats? helping radical Islam to overthrow and destabilize the parts of the Middle east that leave us alone?
So you're admitting that you're for big government?

[Clipper Nation]

Nope. I still think Sarah Palin would have been a great Vice President. She's a great American.
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[Wild Cobra]

So you're admitting that you're for big government?
How do you extrapolate that out of what I said?

[Trainwreck2100]

Nope. I still think Sarah Palin would have been a great Vice President. She's a great American.


:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin: rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

[Drachen]

So you're admitting that you're for big government?

watch yourself, you are speaking to the board libertarian.

[Clipper Nation]

How do you extrapolate that out of what I said?
You clearly want to ramp up the warmongering and nation-building abroad, so you're for Big Government, tbh...

[DarrinS]

If you dump Joe, you admit that you had poor judgement. Too risky and too late, tbh.

Everyone knows Joe is a moron, but it really doesn't matter at this point.

[Trainwreck2100]

if he dumps joe, joe will go out with "health reasons"

[Wild Cobra]

You clearly want to ramp up the warmongering and nation-building abroad, so you're for Big Government, tbh...

No I don't. Again how do you extrapolate that?

My point was that the Obama administration is supporting wars that we shouldn't be involved in. That if he really is going to engage in more shit with US funds, hardware, manpower, etc. that there are more suitable places to be than places like Libya and Egypt.

Did you miss where I asked why are we out of Afghanistan yet?

[Clipper Nation]

My point was that the Obama administration is supporting wars that we shouldn't be involved in.
I'm sure you had zero issues with Bush doing the same thing....

[Wild Cobra]

I'm sure you had zero issues with Bush doing the same thing....
We had cause.

Please go back and review my reasons in those appropriate threads.

If we didn't, why did the house and senate give him the go?

Why didn't Obama put Libya up for a vote in the house and senate?

[ChumpDumper]

I still think Sarah Palin would have been a great Vice President. She's a great American.http://data.whicdn.com/images/27189714/black-and-white-laugh-niall-one-direction-Favim.com-373895_large.gif

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[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Nope. I still think Sarah Palin would have been a great Vice President. She's a great American.
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[EVAY]

No, I doubt Obama is listening to anything Biden says unless it's a "big fucking deal" but, in '08, he picked Biden because of he vast foreign policy experience. The man hasn't been right on any major foreign policy question in -- well -- forever; except briefly when he was in favor of the Iraq surge, changing to a harsh critic -- right before it worked.

As opposed to Cheney, who was so 'right' on all his foreign policy assumptions, for example "They (the Iraqi's) will welcome us in the streets as liberators?

As opposed to Cheney who was so 'right on all his domestic policy assumptions, for example "Ronald Reagan proved that deficits don't matter'?

As opposed to Cheney who said to a Senator who disagreed with him about the Iraq War "Fuck You!" on the floor of the Senate Office building? And who, when asked about his use of that expression in public later explained "Well, it made me feel better".

Do you mean as opposed to the last REPUBLICAN vice-president?

[Yonivore]

As opposed to Cheney, who was so 'right' on all his foreign policy assumptions, for example "They (the Iraqi's) will welcome us in the streets as liberators?

As opposed to Cheney who was so 'right on all his domestic policy assumptions, for example "Ronald Reagan proved that deficits don't matter'?

As opposed to Cheney who said to a Senator who disagreed with him about the Iraq War "Fuck You!" on the floor of the Senate Office building? And who, when asked about his use of that expression in public later explained "Well, it made me feel better".

Do you mean as opposed to the last REPUBLICAN vice-president?
No, I mean as opposed to Ryan...the current Republican candidate for Vice President.

Cheney kicked ass, though.

[EVAY]

No, I mean as opposed to Ryan...the current Republican candidate for Vice President.

Cheney kicked ass, though.

Hell, he not only kicked ass, he shot it in the face!!!

[EVAY]

No, I mean as opposed to Ryan...the current Republican candidate for Vice President.

Cheney kicked ass, though.

The only thing you know or care about Paul Ryan is that there is an R next to his name.

[ChumpDumper]

Cheney kicked ass, though.http://animatedgifimages.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/257d8__laugh.gif

[Yonivore]

The only thing you know or care about Paul Ryan is that there is an R next to his name.
That's not true but, you can believe what you like.

[Yonivore]

Hell, he not only kicked ass, he shot it in the face!!!
No, he shot a lawyer in the face.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Nope. I still think Sarah Palin would have been a great Vice President. She's a great American.?
By default she would be better than Biden.

[Homeland Security]

Obama can't dump Biden for Hillary. Hillary wouldn't accept. None of the center-left Democrats close to Clinton would accept because they want Obama to lose. He could pick someone like Boxer or Hickenlooper but I don't think it would really give him a boost.

[Clipper Nation]

We had cause.
Not in Iraq, we didn't.... and it wasn't Constitutionally declared either....

[EVAY]

No, he shot a lawyer in the face.

Oh yes, that's right...his friend the lawyer.

What a terrific history the Republican Party has of selecting wondrous, truly wondrous vice-Presidents.

Oh, wait...Cheney picked himself!!

[mercos]

To late to change the ticket now. That would show weakness and be a disaster. I think if he would have switched in Hillary at an earlier point he would have won re-election in a landslide, as she is very popular right now, but that ship has sailed.

As it stands, Biden is not a liability. The "put ya'll back in chains" comment will play with the Fox News audience, but no one else will even know it occurred. Biden has been largely invisible for the last 4 years, and his only moment of importance will come at the VP debate, which should actually be interesting this time around, unlike the handicap match he had with Palin.

[Yonivore]

Not in Iraq, we didn't.... and it wasn't Constitutionally declared either....
Try reading the Authorization for Military Force in Iraq sometime.

There are a long list of causes and it was passed by large bi-partisan margin in both houses of Congress (making it constitutional).

Carry on.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol Republicans who don't accept the War in Iraq for the abortion it was
:lol still trying to justify it

[Yonivore]

To late to change the ticket now. That would show weakness and be a disaster. I think if he would have switched in Hillary at an earlier point he would have won re-election in a landslide, as she is very popular right now, but that ship has sailed.
It's not too late but, I think Hillary would rather gouge her own eyes out than run on a ticket with Obama.


As it stands, Biden is not a liability.
Oh, he's a liability.


The "put ya'll back in chains" comment will play with the Fox News audience, but no one else will even know it occurred.
Virginians know it occurred and, more importantly, Biden was taken to the wood shed, over his "They gonna put y'all back in chains" remark (during which he tried to effect a black southern accent a' la Hillary Clinton), by the one and only African-American Governor the State has ever had.

Former Democrat Governor Douglas Wilder had this to say:


“Well, first of all it is divisive and certainly uncalled for,” Wilder said. “I don’t think the Obama administration needs that at this time. And, as you know, I have not been the most strong supporter of Joe Biden. And yet, we all know he’s gaffe-prone. But when you make a statement that says ‘They are going to put y’all back in chains,’ which means ‘I’m OK — not going to happen to me.’”

Wilder suggested that at some point, the Obama campaign and his apologists have to question just how much more of Biden’s gaffe they can withstand before it interferes with Obama’s mission.

“We’ll work through it, but ‘y’all’ would be in chains,” Wilder continued. “Slavery is nothing to joke about. And the history of this nation’s involvement with slavery is nothing to pass off in a joke. And so let’s give him the benefit of the doubt by saying, ‘Well, he didn’t mean all of it,’ and his apologists are already out there saying it. But you can’t continue to make gaffe after gaffe after gaffe and believe that it’s going to be supportive of what you and the president are trying to do.”

Cavuto suggested this could be an indication that Biden would be replaced with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. But Wilder doubted that would happen. He said the more important point was not to divide the country.

“[S]o the more important thing is don’t divide the country,” Wilder said. “We are not African Americans. We are Americans. We are not subjects that, who finally understand what the circumstances are. People will measure up and that’s why you need to reach out and talk to people as adults. Speak to them as equals — not ‘they’ are going to put ‘y’all’ back in chains. So that means you are separating yourself from y’all.”


Biden has been largely invisible for the last 4 years, and his only moment of importance will come at the VP debate, which should actually be interesting this time around, unlike the handicap match he had with Palin.
Keep telling yourself he's invisible and unimportant; the motherfucker is a gaffe-o-matic. I hope he gets his ass reamed by Ryan at the debate.

[Clipper Nation]

There are a long list of causes and it was passed by large bi-partisan margin in both houses of Congress (making it constitutional).


Wrong.... Congress didn't vote to declare war, they voted to authorize Dubya to use military force at his discretion, which is unconstitutional..... the only people who have the power to declare war is Congress, not the executive branch....

Of course, these are wasted words, as I'm arguing with the world's biggest Team Red homer, Mr. "Sarah Palin is a great American"..... if Congress pulled that shit now with Iraq and let Obama call the shots, though, you would be up in arms....

[The Reckoning]

damn so chumpdumper reallly is hemann82?

[Yonivore]

Wrong.... Congress didn't vote to declare war, they voted to authorize Dubya to use military force at his discretion, which is unconstitutional..... the only people who have the power to declare war is Congress, not the executive branch....
Take it up with the Supreme Court.


Of course, these are wasted words, as I'm arguing with the world's biggest Team Red homer, Mr. "Sarah Palin is a great American"..... if Congress pulled that shit now with Iraq and let Obama call the shots, though, you would be up in arms....
I don't think this Congress is that stupid.

[ChumpDumper]

damn so chumpdumper reallly is hemann82?He is?

I mean...I am?

I thought I was Blake or CuckingFunt. This list is getting long.

[Clipper Nation]

Take it up with the Supreme Court.
Take it up with the Founders, who expressly delegated warmaking powers to Congress in the War Powers Clause....

Congress could have also issued letters of marque and reprisal first instead of rushing into a protracted war, but that wasn't even tried....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

He is?

I mean...I am?

I thought I was Blake or CuckingFunt. This list is getting long.
FYI, I'm also considered your understudy by some people since we both make fun of Alex Jones.

[mercos]

Keep telling yourself he's invisible and unimportant; the motherfucker is a gaffe-o-matic. I hope he gets his ass reamed by Ryan at the debate.

:lol Didn't another poster just make a topic wondering where the hell Joe Biden was? Red team is desperately trying to make Biden look as toxic as Ryan right now. Good luck in Florida.

[Yonivore]

:lol Didn't another poster just make a topic wondering where the hell Joe Biden was? Red team is desperately trying to make Biden look as toxic as Ryan right now. Good luck in Florida.
Should be pretty easy when Paul Ryan simply explains it's Obama's $716 billion in cuts and a 13-member, unelected Death Panel that's going to throw Granny from the cliff, not the Romney/Ryan plan to leave Medicare alone for those 55 and older.

Democrats are starting to realize they're losing the Mediscare argument.

The Democrats’ Growing Medicare Dilemma (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/314077/democrats-growing-medicare-dilemma-yuval-levin)


In the last few days, the Romney campaign has moved to dramatically change the terrain of Medicare politics, and it looks like the Democrats are beginning to realize how vulnerable they might be. Because of Obamacare, it is the Democrats who now plan to cut current seniors’ benefits (especially those in Medicare Advantage) and access to care (thanks to the IPAB) while still failing to avert the program’s (and the nation’s) fiscal collapse, and because Romney would repeal Obamacare and pursue a version of the Ryan-Wyden premium-support reform it is the Republicans who would protect current seniors’ benefits and make them available to future seniors while saving the program from collapse through market reforms. Through the candidates’ statements this week and through this new ad, Romney and Ryan have made clear they’re going to inform voters about this and force the Democrats to defend themselves on Medicare.

That won’t be easy for the Left, since the Romney campaign’s charges are true, and it is beginning to become apparent that the Democrats are totally unprepared for the coming fight. Their defenses so far fall into roughly three categories: Ryan did it too, the Obamacare Medicare cuts aren’t very serious, and finally what can only be called frantic distractions. Even as pure demagoguery (let alone as efforts at actual substantive arguments) all three are exceptionally weak defenses, and suggest the Democrats could be in serious trouble. Let’s examine each one.

The “Ryan did it too” defense is perhaps the most amusing of the three, as it succeeds in being simultaneously untrue, irrelevant, and an admission of the basic charge against the Democrats. Even as they call Paul Ryan a cruel and merciless budget cutter who cares not for the weather service and would gladly see children exposed to E. coli, the Democrats justify their taking $710 billion out of Medicare and spending it on Obamacare over the next decade by pointing out that Paul Ryan didn’t put that money back into Medicare in his budget. So if he had, would that have made their cuts unjustifiable? Well it so happens that he did. By repealing all of Obamacare’s spending, the Republican budget does not spend the money Obamacare took out of Medicare and thus those funds are used to extend the Medicare trust fund. And this point is hardly hidden in the Ryan budget. The budget document spells it out in its spending tables and also explains it in its narrative section, noting on page 54 that:


This budget ends the raid on the Medicare trust fund that began with passage of the new health care law last year. It ensures that any potential savings in current law would go to shore up Medicare, not to pay for new entitlements. In addition to repealing the health care law’s new rationing board and its unfunded long-term care entitlement, this budget stabilizes plan choices for current seniors.

I hear he's good with people -- unlike Slow Joe Biden.

[Clipper Nation]

Paul Ryan is a pompous, faux-intellectual douchebag like all neocons are, and I'd love to see Mr. Math try to explain how sequestration could possibly be the same thing as spending cuts....

[mercos]

While Ryan tries to explain his plan in long winded detail, Obama will be running 20 ads in Florida showing Ryan throw grandma off a cliff. Negative campaigning works, and they are going to bury Romney/Ryan with it. The Bain and tax attacks were just the tip of the iceberg.

[Yonivore]

While Ryan tries to explain his plan in long winded detail, Obama will be running 20 ads in Florida showing Ryan throw grandma off a cliff. Negative campaigning works, and they are going to bury Romney/Ryan with it. The Bain and tax attacks were just the tip of the iceberg.
Ryan has been elected 7 times with 65% or more of the vote in a District that used to be as blue as the hair in Florida.

Ryan has a mother, on Medicare, who happens to reside in Florida.

I think Ryan can handle himself just fine.

Bain? Tax returns? Haven't seen or heard of them since Ryan was named running mate...and, since then, Obama has been defending himself against a despicable ad and the fact that he's the one throwing Granny from the cliff by stealing from Medicare to pay for Obamacare.

[Yonivore]

Paul Ryan is a pompous, faux-intellectual douchebag like all neocons are, and I'd love to see Mr. Math try to explain how sequestration could possibly be the same thing as spending cuts....
I think Obama's explanation of how he intended to pay for Obamacare by reducing Medicare by $500 billion over the next 10 years, will do just fine. The other $200 billion is thanks to Harry Reid being unable to get a budget up for a vote in the Senate and Obama's failed Commission to fix the economy.

[Clipper Nation]

We didn't see or hear from Willard's tax returns BEFORE the Ryan selection... nor will we ever, because he's clearly hiding some serious shit, tbh.....

[mercos]

Ryan has been elected 7 times with 65% or more of the vote in a District that used to be as blue as the hair in Florida.

Ryan has a mother, on Medicare, who happens to reside in Florida.

I think Ryan can handle himself just fine.

Bain? Tax returns? Haven't seen or heard of them since Ryan was named running mate...and, since then, Obama has been defending himself against a despicable ad and the fact that he's the one throwing Granny from the cliff by stealing from Medicare to pay for Obamacare.

None of that is going to help him in Florida.

[Clipper Nation]

I think Obama's explanation of how he intended to pay for Obamacare by reducing Medicare by $500 billion over the next 10 years, will do just fine. The other $200 billion is thanks to Harry Reid being unable to get a budget up for a vote in the Senate and Obama's failed Commission to fix the economy.

:lol Ignoring the fact that Ryan's plan is a total joke
:lol "Reducing the rate of spending increases is the same as cutting spending, honest!"
:lol "Sarah Palin: great American"

[DarrinS]

None of that is going to help him in Florida.

Florida seniors love them some Obama

[Yonivore]

Florida seniors love them some Obama
Wait until they find out how back he's fucked up Medicare and that they'll be subject to some 13-member unaccountable Death Panel deciding if they'll get certain treatments and therapies.

[Yonivore]

:lol Ignoring the fact that Ryan's plan is a total joke
How's it a joke? I've not heard that before.


:lol "Reducing the rate of spending increases is the same as cutting spending, honest!"
It is when the demand will continue to grow.


:lol "Sarah Palin: great American"
What's not great about her?

[Clipper Nation]

Wait until they find out how back he's fucked up Medicare and that they'll be subject to some 13-member unaccountable Death Panel deciding if they'll get certain treatments and therapies.

Then wait until they find out that the death panels are a phony neocon scare tactic!

There are many valid criticisms of Obamacare, but that isn't one of them....

[Yonivore]

None of that is going to help him in Florida.
You're right.

What's going to help him in Florida is that seniors will finally learn it is Obama that is going to fuck them over on their Medicare, not Romney.

That's going to help Romney a lot.

[ElNono]

Wait until they find out how back he's fucked up Medicare and that they'll be subject to some 13-member unaccountable Death Panel deciding if they'll get certain treatments and therapies.

Wait until they find out their grandchildren won't even have Medicare at all...

lol death panels

[Yonivore]

Then wait until they find out that the death panels are a phony neocon scare tactic!
The Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB) is very real...you can find it in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010. Look it up.


There are many valid criticisms of Obamacare, but that isn't one of them....
You're right, it's a criticism of what he's doing to Medicare recipients.

[Clipper Nation]

It is when the demand will continue to grow.
Cutting the rate of increase still means spending will increase, therefore it's not a real cut, end of story....



What's not great about her?
Besides her ignorance, trashy redneck family, typical boorish neocon policies, history of lying, inability to name a Supreme Court case, overinflated ego, terrible oratory skills, and nails-on-a-chalkboard voice.... there's still plenty more things that aren't great about her...

[Yonivore]

Wait until they find out their grandchildren won't even have Medicare at all...
Hell, their children weren't even going to have it under Obama's plan.


lol death panels
Call it what you will, the IPAB was formed to hold Medicare costs down by rationing care. I don't care how you paint that pig.

[ElNono]

Besides her ignorance, trashy redneck family, typical boorish neocon policies, history of lying, inability to name a Supreme Court case, overinflated ego, terrible oratory skills, and nails-on-a-chalkboard voice.... there's still plenty more things that aren't great about her...

I see you're being kind :lol

[ElNono]

Hell, their children weren't even going to have it under Obama's plan.

lol narratives. There's only one party running on destroying Medicare in the name of "smaller government", that's your team. We'll see how that appeals to voters in general.

If there's something Republicans love it's their entitlements.

[Yonivore]

lol narratives. There's only one party running on destroying Medicare in the name of "smaller government", that's your team. We'll see how that appeals to voters in general.
There's only one party running that has destroyed Medicare to pay for another unaffordable entitlement, that's your team.

What is Obama's plan to save Medicare?

Hell, what is Obama's plan to reduce the deficit and debt?

He just keeps fucking spending and spending and spending.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Why are people outraged over Obama wanting to spend more on healthcare for young people and less on old people who only have a few years left and have nothing left to contribute.

:lol this country going bankrupt to keep old people alive

[Yonivore]

Why are people outraged over Obama wanting to spend more on healthcare for young people and less on old people who only have a few years left and have nothing left to contribute.

:lol this country going bankrupt to keep old people alive
Are you a member of the IPAB?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Are you a member of the IPAB?
What's the IPAB?

Why do you think a country as leveraged as America should be spending billions to keep people in their 80s alive?

[DarrinS]

Wait until they find out how back he's fucked up Medicare and that they'll be subject to some 13-member unaccountable Death Panel deciding if they'll get certain treatments and therapies.

It's strange that blue team is trying desperately to scare old people, yet old people voted overwhelmingly for GOP in 2010.

[ElNono]

There's only one party running that has destroyed Medicare to pay for another unaffordable entitlement, that's your team.

:lol I don't have a team, like the ACA or support it at all. As a matter of fact, I stated so many times.

The fact is the Ryan's plan is about as bad or even shittier (depending on which version of the plan you're talking about), and addresses cost by passing it on to seniors. In other words, destroys their coverage over time.

The ACA sucks, but it can be modified to make it workable without opening the door of destroying medicare in the process.

Again, there's only one party running on destroying medicare for future generations under the "smaller government" mantra. Start :downspin: that one.

[ElNono]

It's strange that blue team is trying desperately to scare old people, yet old people voted overwhelmingly for GOP in 2010.

That makes no sense. The Ryan plan doesn't change Medicare for seniors. Anybody 55 or younger should certainly be afraid.

[ElNono]

What's the IPAB?

Why do you think a country as leveraged as America should be spending billions to keep people in their 80s alive?

Don't you *DARE* suggesting taking away older people's entitlements! :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Don't you *DARE* suggesting taking away older people's entitlements! :lol
:madrun We're the baby boomers and we'll be damned if we don't get every government entitlement available :madrun

[ElNono]

:madrun We're the baby boomers and we'll be damned if we don't get every government entitlement available :madrun

:madrun smaller government only for you, young mister! :madrun

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:madrun smaller government only for you, young mister! :madrun
:madrun You young'uns better be ready to pay for my retirement and medicare :madrun

:madrun I want small government except for when I need the government to finance retirement I didn't save for :madrun

[ElNono]

BTW, Gallup poll on the Ryan VP pick (http://www.gallup.com/poll/156545/Reaction-Ryan-Pick-Among-Least-Positive-Historically.aspx)...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

BTW, Gallup poll on the Ryan VP pick (http://www.gallup.com/poll/156545/Reaction-Ryan-Pick-Among-Least-Positive-Historically.aspx)...
But the conservative blogs Yoni reads said it was a great pick!

[ElNono]

But the conservative blogs Yoni reads said it was a great pick!

to be fair, I personally don't give a lot of credit to individual polls.... anybody can draw their own conclusions...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

That poll just reminded me about the waive of stupidity that hit America with its initial praise of Sarah Palin :lol

[ElNono]

That poll just reminded me about the waive of stupidity that hit America with its initial praise of Sarah Palin :lol

tbh, I was out of the country and completely missed it. When I came back and started hearing the interviews and shit, I was like: "WTF????" :lol

I'm actually going to head out again next month for a couple of weeks, hopefully saving me from more baloney ads and conventions...

[DarrinS]

BTW, Gallup poll on the Ryan VP pick (http://www.gallup.com/poll/156545/Reaction-Ryan-Pick-Among-Least-Positive-Historically.aspx)...

Fuck, I'm sure glad that wasn't skewed by Democrats polled.

[ElNono]

All that said, I was reading VPs only marginally change the race.. at the very top is a 2% swing historically (or very bottom -2% swing). I'm pretty sure neither Ryan or Biden will matter much

[baseline bum]

tbh, I was out of the country and completely missed it. When I came back and started hearing the interviews and shit, I was like: "WTF????" :lol

I'm actually going to head out again next month for a couple of weeks, hopefully saving me from more baloney ads and conventions...

They didn't/don't have TV in Mexico?

[Clipper Nation]

:madrun smaller government only for you, young mister! :madrun

:madrun "Small government for young punk kids, incredibly large government for me at home and against scary brown people abroad!" :madrun

[ElNono]

They didn't/don't have TV in Mexico?

Nor radio... these are things we know... :lol

But I wasn't in Mexico anyways...

[Clipper Nation]

It's strange that blue team is trying desperately to scare old people, yet old people voted overwhelmingly for GOP in 2010.

Ummm... what? Team Red's entire platform is based on scaring the shit out of rednecks and the elderly, tbh.... "vote for us or the illegal commie black female gay atheists and their army of scary brown people that hate us will take over the country and steal your Medicare!"

[DarrinS]

Ummm... what? Team Red's entire platform is based on scaring the shit out of rednecks and the elderly, tbh.... "vote for us or the illegal commie black female gay atheists and their army of scary brown people that hate us will take over the country and steal your Medicare!"

:lol if you say so

[Winehole23]

Should be pretty easy when Paul Ryan simply explains it's Obama's $716 billion in cuts and a 13-member, unelected Death Panel that's going to throw Granny from the cliff, not the Romney/Ryan plan to leave Medicare alone for those 55 and older.

Democrats are starting to realize they're losing the Mediscare argument.

The Democrats’ Growing Medicare Dilemma (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/314077/democrats-growing-medicare-dilemma-yuval-levin)Principled Republicans once disdained scaring seniors. So much for that.


It’s clear the Romney campaign fully anticipated an attack on Rep. Paul Ryan’s Medicare reform proposal. Its premeditated response so far has been quite clever.


Step one: Remind voters of Obamacare’s cuts to — the “raid” on! — Medicare. Step two: Promise to restore (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57493453/mitt-romney-ryan-will-fall-in-line-on-medicare) those “arbitrary” cuts. Step three: Characterize Romney-Ryan Medicare reform proposal — which reduces spending below current law by 35-45 percent (http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-romney-medicare-plans-budget-2012-8)), but not until 10 years from now — as a means of strengthening, not cutting, the program. (To hear this argument more fully fleshed out, see James C. Capretta (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/314024/president-obama-s-700-billion-medicare-problem-james-c-capretta) and Yuval Levin (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/314077/democrats-growing-medicare-dilemma-yuval-levin).)


Never asked, let alone answered, is the question that if Romney’s Medicare reforms are so painless, why not demand that current beneficiaries accept them? Why is it necessary to spare them from structural reforms that are so self-evidently “sensible” (Capretta’s word)? (To his credit, Reihan Salam indeed calls (http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/314017/it-really-true-romney-ryan-and-obama-backed-same-medicare-cuts-reihan-salam) for a faster timetable for the premium-support changeover.)


That this Orwellian gambit is being pitched as the bold, courageous, grown-up alternative to politics as usual is, on its face, pretty astonishing.
But I’ve long since lost the ability to be astonished by Mitt Romney and Eric Fehrnstrom’s cynicism.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/romney-ryan-medicare-strategy-comes-into-sharp-relief/

[EVAY]

Principled Republicans...

So much for that.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/romney-ryan-medicare-strategy-comes-into-sharp-relief/

That is sort of my problem today....no principled Republicans anymore.

Haven't been many principled Democrats for some time, bit both teams are essentially amoral anymore when it comes to getting elected.

[Clipper Nation]

That is sort of my problem today....no principled Republicans anymore.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Ronpaul1.jpg/250px-Ronpaul1.jpg


Haven't been many principled Democrats for some time
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Denniskucinich.jpg

[EVAY]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Ronpaul1.jpg/250px-Ronpaul1.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Denniskucinich.jpg

Guess I don't really consider Paul a Republican...the Libertarian that admittedly runs as Republican but doesn't really seem to be one.

Is that Kucinich? Serious question...I'm not sure who it is. If it is Kucinich, I may stand corrected...but I honestly don't know enough about him to judge one way or another.

[TeyshaBlue]

We didn't see or hear from Willard's tax returns BEFORE the Ryan selection... nor will we ever, because he's clearly hiding some serious shit, tbh.....

lol @ clearly.

[TeyshaBlue]

The Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB) is very real...

Wow, one misplaced consonant, and Apple could've sued them into oblivion.:lol

[boutons_deux]

"he's clearly hiding some serious shit"

That's exactly how everybody who's not a Gecko-sucker sees it.

Same with his destruction/secreting of his MA governor and Olympic records.

Gecko is a real sicko about secrecy.

[TeyshaBlue]

"he's clearly hiding some serious shit"

That's exactly how everybody who's not a Gecko-sucker sees it.

Same with his destruction/secreting of his MA governor and Olympic records.

Gecko is a real sicko about secrecy.

lol confirmation bias. Everyone's wrong except me!:lol

[boutons_deux]

Here's Gecko's "reasoning" how "small minded
people should be concerned other "big stuff" rather Gecko's secret tax returns

“I just have to say, given the challenges that America faces — 23 million people out of work, Iran about to become nuclear, one out of six Americans in poverty — the fascination with taxes I paid I find to be very small minded compared to the broad issues that we face,” Romney explained.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/16/romney-scolds-small-minded-people-asking-for-his-tax-returns/

He an amazingly inept, wooden-tonged liar. "small minded" includes 10Ms of voters who want to see his tax returns, his MA governor records, his Olympic records.

[Winehole23]

Jared Bernstein breaks down (http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/more-on-the-medicare-dust-up/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+JaredBernstein+%28Jared+Berns tein%29) the core elements of the Medicare debate:

[T]here’s been a lot of confusion generated by the $700 billion in cuts that both the President and Gov Ryan have in their budgets. I’ve written about this as have others: see here (http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/the-700-billion-smoke-screen/) and here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/14/ryans-budget-keeps-obamas-medicare-cuts-full-stop/). The numbers may be the same, but...[i]n the Affordable Care Act, they’re derived from seeking efficiencies in way health care is delivered, and they’re used to provide health care to beneficiaries of Medicare and Medicaid.


In the Ryan budget, they’re at least partly used to pay for tax cuts weighted toward wealthy households.
After musing on Romney's ostensible rejection of the Ryan budget, he keeps up the full-court press on hypocrisy:

Republicans and other alleged chicken budget hawks are constantly complaining that the President is failing to lead on fiscal issues because he refuses to tackle the entitlement “crisis.” Then, a sentence or two later, the nail him for cutting $700 billion from Medicare!
Josh Barro's view (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-15/romney-ryan-want-it-both-ways-on-medicare.html):

Cutting more than $700 billion out of Medicare over 10 years is hard. Ryan's position is that he will make those cuts, but they won't be through an IPAB or an IPAB-like mechanism. And they won't be through premium support. And they won't hurt seniors. But we don't get to know how they will work. It is no surprise that defenses of this position fail.
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/08/the-700-billion-shell-game.html

GOP vaporware versus Dem vaporware. how to pick b/w the two?

[Clipper Nation]

Is that Kucinich? Serious question...I'm not sure who it is. If it is Kucinich, I may stand corrected...but I honestly don't know enough about him to judge one way or another.
It is Kucinich, he's the closest thing the Dems have to a Ron Paul, tbh...

[Wild Cobra]

Kucinich?

No thanks.

[Clipper Nation]

Kucinich?

No thanks.

Considering his views on the Fed, nation-building, and Big Pharma, you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Kucinich as a self-proclaimed libertarian, tbh....

That being said, I don't like his views on gun rights or media regulations, but he's still a damn sight better than most Democrats, tbh...

[Wild Cobra]

Considering his views on the Fed, nation-building, and Big Pharma, you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Kucinich as a self-proclaimed libertarian, tbh....

That being said, I don't like his views on gun rights or media regulations, but he's still a damn sight better than most Democrats, tbh...
He would be better than other democrats we have, but he is still a socialist. Unless I don't recall his policies right, he is for redistribution of wealth.

Am I right or wrong?

[LnGrrrR]

He would be better than other democrats we have, but he is still a socialist. Unless I don't recall his policies right, he is for redistribution of wealth.

Am I right or wrong?

What politician isn't for redistribution of wealth? :lol I'm pretty sure your boy Bush voted for TARP, which was redistribution upwards...

In fact, pretty much every President is for redistribution of wealth... because, ya know, that's what taxes tend to be. Have we had any President run a campaign based on abolishing all taxation?

[Clipper Nation]

He would be better than other democrats we have, but he is still a socialist. Unless I don't recall his policies right, he is for redistribution of wealth.

Am I right or wrong?

Well, he's against special-interest crony trade organizations like NAFTA and WTO, and voted against TARP corporate welfare....

[Wild Cobra]

What politician isn't for redistribution of wealth? :lol I'm pretty sure your boy Bush voted for TARP, which was redistribution upwards...

In fact, pretty much every President is for redistribution of wealth... because, ya know, that's what taxes tend to be. Have we had any President run a campaign based on abolishing all taxation?
Again, Bush was the lesser of two evils.

Why do you guys think that such vote comparisons work with me?

Some people say the definition of insanity if doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Are you insane?

You do remember don't you, I was 100% against TARP when we discussed it those years back, right?

[Clipper Nation]

Again, Bush was the lesser of two evils.
Highly debatable in hindsight, still evil....

[Wild Cobra]

Highly debatable in hindsight, still evil....
Since when does hindsight count? After you see a politicians ways when they are in office, do you change your vote from years past?

[Clipper Nation]

Since when does hindsight count? After you see a politicians ways when they are in office, do you change your vote from years past?

Did you change your vote in 2004 or 2008?

[Wild Cobra]

Did you change your vote in 2004 or 2008?
I cant go back in time and change my vote, and wouldn't. I still would never want Gore or sKerry as president.

[Clipper Nation]

I cant go back in time and change my vote, and wouldn't. I still would never want Gore or sKerry as president.

Me neither, but I also didn't want Dubya or McCain....

[Yonivore]

17 days. Tick tock.

Just remember, putting Slow Joe Biden one heartbeat away from the Presidency is the very first executive decision made by Barack Obama.

[ElNono]

Apparently, it's a decision Americans didn't have a problem with for 4 years running...

We'll see if they feel the same way about Mitt...

[coyotes_geek]

17 days. Tick tock.

Just remember, putting Slow Joe Biden one heartbeat away from the Presidency is the very first executive decision made by Barack Obama.

Excellent decision on his part. The threat of a Joe Biden presidency keeps him safer than the secret service ever could. :p:

[ElNono]

Excellent decision on his part. The threat of a Joe Biden presidency keeps him safer than the secret service ever could. :p:

Not to mention Joe is what makes him look smart... :lol

[coyotes_geek]

Not to mention Joe is what makes him look smart... :lol

:lol

So true. Hell, picking Biden is probably the best decision he's ever made.

[Clipper Nation]

17 days. Tick tock.

Just remember, putting Slow Joe Biden one heartbeat away from the Presidency is the very first executive decision made by Barack Obama.

Still preferable to actually voting in Dubya as president twice, tbh....

[DMX7]

I still think sarah palin would have been a great vice president. She's a great american.



:lol:lol:lollmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:lol:lol
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[Clipper Nation]

Funny, not dropping Biden from the campaign didn't turn out so bad for Barry after all..

:lol "Sarah Palin: great American"

[ElNono]

:lol Yoni colossal miscalculations

[kamikazi_player]

:lmao Sarah Palin

[Juggity]

:lol Yoni colossal miscalculations

:lol uncalculated shitbombs

[Ashy Larry]

skank

[Winehole23]

Take it up with the Founders, who expressly delegated warmaking powers to Congress in the War Powers Clause....

Congress could have also issued letters of marque and reprisal first instead of rushing into a protracted war, but that wasn't even tried....Clipper Nation sticking up for enumerated powers of Congress in 2012

CN has a lot of hits for "letters of marque and reprisal", Mike Lee and others are bringing this up now presumably in connection with DOD's controversial small craft bombings in the Caribbean and Eastern Pacific. Earlier this year Erik Prince took credit for seeding the idea in his head


Prince spoke with Breitbart News Washington Bureau Chief Matthew Boyle about a recent post (https://twitter.com/BasedMikeLee/status/1883953109443174581) from Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT), discussing what Letters of Marque and Reprisal were and how they could be used to weaken the drug cartels. Prince admitted that he had “helped put this idea in Senator Lee’s head.”


“Letters of marque and reprisal are government-issued commissions that authorize private citizens (privateers) to perform acts that would otherwise be considered piracy, like attacking enemy ships during wartime Privateers are rewarded with a cut of the loot they ‘bring home,'” Lee explained (https://twitter.com/BasedMikeLee/status/1883953138752995508) in his post.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/02/01/exclusive-erik-prince-letters-of-marque-would-allow-private-organizations-to-wipe-out-drug-cartels/

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[Winehole23]

(I wonder who gets to keep the drugs)

[Winehole23]

lol Trumplandia trying to take the law of the sea back to the 18th century, legally speaking