Which of These QBs Will Win a Superbowl?

[Darth_Pelican]

Which of these young QBs (if any) will win a Superbowl in their career?
I've listed only starting QBs under 30 with no playoff wins, except backup Tebow with 1 win.

Ryan Fitzpatrick
Matthew Stafford
Cam Newton
Andrew Luck
RG3
Jake Locker
Sam Bradford
Matt Flynn
Andy Dalton
Tim Tebow
Brandon Weeden
Matt Moore
Blaine Gabbert
John Skelton
Christian Ponder
Josh Freeman

[Darth_Pelican]

Ryan Fitzpatrick - NO. I think the Bills jumped the gun on thinking he was the future when the Bills started off hot last season.

Matthew Stafford - YES. Threw for over 5,000 yards and 40 TDs last season.

Cam Newton - NO. History has proven that a black running QB cannot lead his team to a championship

Andrew Luck - YES. If he is as good as advertised, he will have his day in the sun.

RG3 - NO. See Cam Newton

Jake Locker - NO. He has shown to be innacurate on his passes, and thinks run too often.

Sam Bradford - NO. He is injury prone and hasn't lived up to expectations.

Matt Flynn - NO. I think he will be a solid starting QB, but 9 win seasons might be his ceiling.

Andy Dalton - YES. I like his game. He is poised and smart. The only question is whether he spends his entire career with that abortion of a franchise in Cincy.

Tim Tebow - NO. Sorry God.

Brandon Weeden - NO. He's too old coming into the league.

Matt Moore - NO. He isn't good enough

Blaine Gabbert - NO. He probably won't even be the starter by the end of the year.

John Skelton - NO. Kolb will be the starter by the end of the year.

Christian Ponder - Unknown.

Josh Freeman - NO. He looked horrible last season.

[Avante]

Only one...

Matthew Stafford.

He is young, has a great receiver, that defense keeps getting better and better. They get a stud back and....

[Darth_Pelican]

Only one...

Matthew Stafford.

He is young, has a great receiver, that defense keeps getting better and better. They get a stud back and....

So in 7-10 years when Brady, Eli, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, and Ben are all retired, and the young crop above are in their 30s, only Stafford is going to win Superbowls?

[Avante]

So in 7-10 years when Brady, Eli, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, and Ben are all retired, and the young crop above are in their 30s, only Stafford is going to win Superbowls?

Of course not. But as of "right now" the only one where I can actually say..."yes he will"...with some confidence is Stafford. None of the rest get that confidence from me.."right now"...ok?

[Clipper Nation]

RG3, Stafford, and maybe Cam Newton, tbh.... also, MVPhilip is exactly 30 years old, still quite some time left for him to get at least one ring.....

[Blake]

Bradford and Luck, imo

[J.T.]

I guarantee RG3 busts out of the NFL, Ryan Leaf-style. Basically a lock to happen now that Andrew Luck has matched Peyton's career path by being a No.1 overall selection by Indy and throwing a TD on his first pass. Hopefully it does not take him nine years to win the Super Bowl though.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Yeah, Luck will definitely ring some day, barring injury. lol @ anybody suggesting RG3 or Cam winning one. You're either black, stupid, or both if you think that.

[Avante]

Yeah, Luck will definitely ring some day, barring injury. lol @ anybody suggesting RG3 or Cam winning one. You're either black, stupid, or both if you think that.

Why are you that confident in taking that stance? Talking RGIII/Newton?

[gaKNOW!blee]

its so incredibly hard to win a superbowl, and takes so many ingredients this question is basically impossible to answer without flat out guessing.

Luck will be the best quarterback though, so on any given year he will likely have the best shot.

[Clipper Nation]

Yeah, Luck will definitely ring some day, barring injury. lol @ anybody suggesting RG3 or Cam winning one. You're either black, stupid, or both if you think that.

Yeah, yeah, I know the "running QB's don't win Super Bowls" cliche, but colleges haven't stopped producing them, so one of them will have to win eventually tbh...

[DeadlyDynasty]

Yeah, yeah, I know the "running QB's don't win Super Bowls" cliche, but colleges haven't stopped producing them, so one of them will have to win eventually tbh...
they haven't stopped producing real QBs, either...

[Avante]

Superbowl QB's have come in all guises, there is no cookie cutter.

[symple19]

Luck, Newton, Stafford -- IMO

Newton has shown he's far more than a running QB. Caveat being that he has to stay healthy and for Rivera to slowly move him away from running the ball too often

[symple19]

and lol for apologizing to god on teabags behalf

[Clipper Nation]

they haven't stopped producing real QBs, either...

"Running QB" and "real QB" don't have to be mutually exclusive, tbh....

[DeadlyDynasty]

Superbowl QB's have come in all guises, there is no cookie cutter.
Not really, the one guise is that they're white--and most are considered elite QBs.

Eli Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Ben Roethlisberger
Tom Brady
Brad Johnson*
Kurt Warner
Trent Dilfer*
John Elway
Brett Favre
Troy Aikman
Steve Young (he was more of a pocket-passer at that point in his career)


Those are the last 20 SB winners, all of which are or will be in the HOF except Dilfer and BJ--who had historically great defenses--especially the best-ever Ravens 2000 D.

Please drop the act.

[johnsmith]

Not really, the one guise is that they're white--and most are considered elite QBs.

Eli Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Ben Roethlisberger
Tom Brady
Brad Johnson*
Kurt Warner
Trent Dilfer*
John Elway
Brett Favre
Troy Aikman
Steve Young (he was more of a pocket-passer at that point in his career)


Those are the last 20 SB winners, all of which are or will be in the HOF except Dilfer and BJ--who had historically great defenses--especially the best-ever Ravens 2000 D.

Please drop the act.

You bring up an interesting point here. Since Avante basically has the equivalent of a teenage school crush on every black pro athlete, do you suppose it eats away at him that black quarterbacks are pretty much irrelevant?

Avante, please respond to this.

[DeadlyDynasty]

^
:lol

I also forgot to add Peyton Manning to that list...yet another non-black, elite future HOFer.

[johnsmith]

^
:lol

I also forgot to add Peyton Manning to that list...yet another non-black, elite future HOFer.

But, but, but, he doesn't have world class speed.

[johnsmith]

Anyone care to take bets that avante will be in here shortly to list off all players that have ever had "world class speed" in response to my last post?

[Blake]

Superbowl QB's have come in all guises, there is no cookie cutter.

That's not an answer to the question.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Stafford and Luck? Yes

Newton and RGIII? Nope. Black QB's are destined to fail in the NFL. It is the way of the world.

MAYBE on Andy Dalton.

Hell no on the rest of the list.

[Spursfan092120]

I don't get all the Cam Newton bashing. Dude has already proven he can throw the ball too. The racism in here is overflowing. Just because he's black doesn't mean he can't throw the ball too.

[Avante]

Not really, the one guise is that they're white--and most are considered elite QBs.

Eli Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Ben Roethlisberger
Tom Brady
Brad Johnson*
Kurt Warner
Trent Dilfer*
John Elway
Brett Favre
Troy Aikman
Steve Young (he was more of a pocket-passer at that point in his career)


Those are the last 20 SB winners, all of which are or will be in the HOF except Dilfer and BJ--who had historically great defenses--especially the best-ever Ravens 2000 D.

Please drop the act.

Act???

So you see all those guys and Peyton Manning as carbon copies of each other? Drew Brees is how tall? Tom Brady reminds you of Steve Young? I could go on and on....

[vander]

I don't get all the Cam Newton bashing. Dude has already proven he can throw the ball too. The realism in here is overflowing. Just because he's black doesn't mean he can't throw the ball too.


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also: "throwing the ball" ≠ quarterbacking

[Avante]

You bring up an interesting point here. Since Avante basically has the equivalent of a teenage school crush on every black pro athlete, do you suppose it eats away at him that black quarterbacks are pretty much irrelevant?

Avante, please respond to this.

I don't have a crush on anyone, I just go with reality. The worlds best...

sprinters
hurdlers
running backs
wide receivers
defensive backs

...will be black. You disagree? I know...oh yeah well what about Wes Welker....:rolleyes

Doug Williams has won a Superbowl, both Steve McNair and Donovan McNabb have played in them. Warren Moon is in the HOF, the last two Heisman winners...black QB's.

What rookie QB played any better than Cam Newton? If you read any of those football mags the Eagles are flying high in 2012 with Vick.

There just hasn't been that many black QB's in the NFL. Right now we have 4 (starters), which is usually about right. So if we look at from a % perspective black QB's have actually done pretty well.

Warren Moon is number seven in history when it comes to TD passes, he is number five in yards. Both Cunningham and McNabb in the top 35 all time in both those. Steve McNair above Cunningham in yardage.

So if we wanna keep it real...

You need some speedy black runners and receivers and once in awhile a solid black QB.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Act???

So you see all those guys and Peyton Manning as carbon copies of each other? Drew Brees is how tall? Tom Brady reminds you of Steve Young? I could go on and on....

I see them all as white quarterbacks. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[gaKNOW!blee]

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also: "throwing the ball" ≠ quarterbacking

What about scoring a shitload of touchdowns? Or taking the worst offense from 2010 to one of the best in 2011?

[Avante]

I see them all as white quarterbacks. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I was talking about size, style, strengths, weaknesses. Which is what matters, color doesn't matter at the QB position.

[vander]

What about scoring a shitload of touchdowns? Or taking the worst offense from 2010 to one of the best in 2011?

OP was talking about winning SuperBowls

not racking up fantasy points against defenses that underestimated him

[gaKNOW!blee]

OP was talking about winning SuperBowls

not racking up fantasy points against defenses that underestimated him

Lol underestimated him?? That might be the worst excuse I've ever heard.

MAYBE the cardinals underestimated him because that was the first game, but you don't think the rest of his opponents watched him on film and said "hey this guy might be pretty fucking good."?

[vander]

Lol underestimated him?? That might be the worst excuse I've ever heard.

MAYBE the cardinals underestimated him because that was the first game, but you don't think the rest of his opponents watched him on film and said "hey this guy might be pretty fucking good."?

pretty fucking good. that's it, not great, he won't ever win a SB, he'll just put up good fantasy numbers.

also, look at his stats for the second half of 2011, that's about what you can expect from him going forward.

[gaKNOW!blee]

pretty fucking good. that's it, not great, he won't ever win a SB, he'll just put up good fantasy numbers.

also, look at his stats for the second half of 2011, that's about what you can expect from him going forward.

ok his last 8 games his team went 4-4, he had a 10-8 td:int ratio, added another 387 yards rushing and added another 7 scores on the ground.

That projects to 20 passing touchdowns, 16 interceptions, 774 yards rushing and 14 touchdowns rushing. Pretty much exactly what his numbers were for his ROOKIE season. His yards were down a little, I'll give you that.

Give him a defense that doesn't suck complete ass, and I'm willing to bet you see those wins rise and interceptions go down.

[Clipper Nation]

Cam Newton turned the Panthers around from one of the least efficient offenses to one of the most in one year.... that's quite a bit more substantial than just "fluke fantasy numbers" tbh....

[dirk4mvp]

Luck is the obvious choice here tbh.


I'm not sure if either will ever ring, but Cam will easily have the better career between him and Robert Griffin III.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Cam Newton turned the Panthers around from one of the least efficient offenses to one of the most in one year.... that's quite a bit more substantial than just "fluke fantasy numbers" tbh....


:lol That's nice. He still won't win a Super Bowl. Mcnabb got this same praise then he was blowing chunks before the Super Bowl loss against the Patriots.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol That's nice. He still won't win a Super Bowl. Mcnabb got this same praise then he was blowing chunks before the Super Bowl loss against the Patriots.

McNabb was also the biggest choker I've ever seen QB'ing an NFL team, tbh.... dude would have been blowing chunks even if he was slow and white.....

[Pelicans78]

I'll say yes to Luck.

[Creepn]

Expect to see a black quarterback hoisting that trophy if not this year but within very short years.