Adrian Beltre

[Lincoln]

Who said that he would suck ass in Texas and is a grade A piece of shit contract whore?

He's been the best 3rd baseman in baseball

[Reck]

A product of another Boston fuck up.

This guy is clutch as fuck.

[jjktkk]

Who said that he would suck ass in Texas and is a grade A piece of shit contract whore?

He's been the best 3rd baseman in baseball

I remember that guy. :lol

[Spursfan092120]

I'd love for Beltre to play great and prove me wrong. the problem is that IT WON'T FUCKING HAPPEN. I have years and years and years and years of evidence to back up my claims. You have two contract years and a bunch of rose colored glasses fanboy hopes to back up yours.
:downspin:

I want to hear in 2 months how great this signing is, when Beltre is hitting .240 and it's obvious he's never going to match his production in Boston. Defensively it will be an upgrade no matter what, but if we end up losing Vlad or Young's bat for this guy, the Rangers will rue the day they made this signing.

He's the Erick Dampier of baseball.
:lmao

The Rangers will regret giving Beltre this contractPERIOD
ummm....


Still stand by everything i said. The Rangers will regret giving Beltre this contractPERIOD
:wakeup

[Pelicans78]

Mono shitted on Tyson after Cuban let him go and Chandler proceeded to have an outstanding season and has done the same with Beltre now.

[Chris]

False prophets!

[Flintstones32]

Who said that he would suck ass in Texas and is a grade A piece of shit contract whore?

He's been the best 3rd baseman in baseball

Beltre is having a great year but I honestly would not put him ahead of Miguel Cabrera at 3rd base.

Its not even close.

[Spursfan092120]

Beltre is having a great year but I honestly would not put him ahead of Miguel Cabrera at 3rd base.

Its not even close.

Disagree...but you're welcome to your opinion.

[Chris]

Beltre is having a great year but I honestly would not put him ahead of Miguel Cabrera at 3rd base.

Its not even close.

Right now its
Agon
Mig
Beltre
Freese

but there's still a lot of games to play

[Clipper Nation]

Right now its
Agon
Mig
Beltre
Freese

but there's still a lot of games to play

David Wright and Chase Headley belong on that list too, tbh....

[Chris]

David Wright and Chase Headley belong on that list too, tbh....

Definitely Wright idk about Headley

[AussieFanKurt]

Glad that someone has Freese high, he is a gun at 3rd

[Flintstones32]

Disagree...but you're welcome to your opinion.


Thanks. Yes it is just my opinion but there is not one offensive category that Beltre is ahead of Cabrera in.

Would call that more statistical proof than opinion. Just cause you like somebody more doesn't mean they would help your team more.

[Spursfan092120]

Thanks. Yes it is just my opinion but there is not one offensive category that Beltre is ahead of Cabrera in.

Would call that more statistical proof than opinion. Just cause you like somebody more doesn't mean they would help your team more.

Um...just saying it's my opinion. You're welcome to agree or disagree..you disagree, and that's fine. The roll Beltre is on right now is better than any 3B in the league...and I put no 3B above him on the defensive end. You might, and that's fine, but with my team, I want Beltre on third.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Um...just saying it's my opinion. You're welcome to agree or disagree..you disagree, and that's fine. The roll Beltre is on right now is better than any 3B in the league...and I put no 3B above him on the defensive end. You might, and that's fine, but with my team, I want Beltre on third.

lol so you're just admitting you're a huge homer.

Cabrera is killing Beltre statistically, and their fielding percentage is identical.

[Clipper Nation]

and I put no 3B above him on the defensive end Ummm.... Mike Moustakas? 10 DRS, .764 RZR, 6.3 RngR, 12.4 UZR... the only stat Beltre's better in is UZR/150, but Moustakas has better range overall and saves more runs, tbh....

[stretch]

Cabrera certainly has a superior career, but as of right now? It's hard not to say Beltre is playing the position as well, if not better than anyone.

And let's not get ahead of ourselves for those who tried to compare Cabrera's fielding ability to Beltre... not even close.

If I had to choose between the two players for my own team... you really can't go wrong with either, and it boils down to necessity. In the case of the Rangers, I'll take Beltre, because he's not counted on to be the main guy in the lineup (not that he's incapable of being that), and his defense is incredibly welcomed (especially after having to suffer with Michael Young being garbage defensively). But if you don't have that luxury of a guy like Josh Hamilton to bat alongside, then I would probably take Cabrera.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lol the better fielder argument

I guess Rangerfan thinks Beltre's fielding % of .968 compared to Cabrera's fielding % of .967 outweighs the fact Cabrera is a better offensive player in every single category.

[gaKNOW!blee]

lol the better fielder argument

I guess Rangerfan thinks Beltre's fielding % of .968 compared to Cabrera's fielding % of .967 outweighs the fact Cabrera is a better offensive player in every single category.

But...beltre had 3hr and a cycle in the same week.


HE'S ON A ROLL!

[Spursfan092120]

Geez...all I'm saying is I would want Beltre on my team. Different guys have different personalities which cause differences in the locker room. If you guys wouldn't want him above Cabrera or Moustakas that's fucking fine. But I would. Get over yourself...not everybody is going to have the same opinion as you. The arrogance is overflowing in here.

[Chris]

Cabrera is a freak - I'm a diehard Rangers fan, but I would take him over Beltre.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I understand it's just your opinion....the point is your opinions are laced with homerism.

[stretch]

I understand it's just your opinion....the point is your opinions are laced with homerism.

So if a Tigers fan said that Cabrera was an equal or extremely comparable defensive player, that wouldn't be laced with homerism either?

Cabrera doesn't make a lot of mistakes or errors, but he isn't exactly a guy who consistently shows range well beyond that of average 3Bs.

In general, I'd take Cabrera over Beltre as well, but with the season he is having, as well as the streak he's been on lately, it's hard not to say he is playing as well as any 3B in the league right now.

[Flintstones32]

So if a Tigers fan said that Cabrera was an equal or extremely comparable defensive player, that wouldn't be laced with homerism either?

Cabrera doesn't make a lot of mistakes or errors, but he isn't exactly a guy who consistently shows range well beyond that of average 3Bs.

In general, I'd take Cabrera over Beltre as well, but with the season he is having, as well as the streak he's been on lately, it's hard not to say he is playing as well as any 3B in the league right now.

I am a Tiger's fan and I would of course take Cabrera over any 3b, but let us not kid ourselves. The reason Cabrera has a comparable amount of errors and fielding pct to Beltre is because I believe Beltre actually gets to more balls than Cabrera.

So there are more potential chances for Beltre to commit and error than for Cabrera. Don't get me wrong, Cabrera has done much better than I thought he would have had 3b and I believe he will continue to improve but he sure as hell is not needed for his defense.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So if a Tigers fan said that Cabrera was an equal or extremely comparable defensive player, that wouldn't be laced with homerism either?
Saying Cabrera is as good a fielder as Beltre would be laced with homerism, but not nearly to the degree of homerism the opinion that Beltre's fielding advantage outweighs Cabrera's batting advantage has.


Cabrera doesn't make a lot of mistakes or errors, but he isn't exactly a guy who consistently shows range well beyond that of average 3Bs.
How many plays do you think Beltre has made this year that Cabrera couldn't have made? How much has that affected the Rangers' wins and losses?


Be specific.


Rangerfan's argument wreaks of, "I'm going to say beltre has really vague things that can't be quantified knowing that those things have a miniscule impact on the game."

[stretch]

Saying Cabrera is as good a fielder as Beltre would be laced with homerism, but not nearly to the degree of homerism the opinion that Beltre's fielding advantage outweighs Cabrera's batting advantage has.

Well, this is 90210 we are talking about... no need to get butthurt over his usual stuff. Although I haven't once seen anyone in this thread claim that Beltre's defensive advantage outweighs Cabrera's offensive advantage. Who said that?


How many plays do you think Beltre has made this year that Cabrera couldn't have made? How much has that affected the Rangers' wins and losses?

Be specific.


Rangerfan's argument wreaks of, "I'm going to say beltre has really vague things that can't be quantified knowing that those things have a miniscule impact on the game."

If Nelson Cruz had half the range and/or balls that Adrian Beltre has as a fielder, the Rangers would be World Champions and looking to defend their title. If Bill Buckner makes a better read on a bounce, the 1986 Red Sox are World Champions.

It may not necessarily make a massive difference in wins and losses, but let's not act like competent defense isn't a part of the game that matters.



Of course we can expect a cynical, sarcastic reply from you to go something like this:

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Yeah, twice in history did a routine fluky play go wrong and cost a team a championship, so now every team needs to unload money on elite defenders at each position to protect from a World Series losing defensive mistake :lmao





:rolleyes

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So you can't quantify it. Didn't think so.

[BUMP]

lol the better fielder argument

I guess Rangerfan thinks Beltre's fielding % of .968 compared to Cabrera's fielding % of .967 outweighs the fact Cabrera is a better offensive player in every single category.

I was about to point this out before 'ased Lo pointed this out

Beltre>Cabrera in the field due to mobility but Cabrera has actually been pretty solid in the field this season as a 3B despite the fact that he's a fatass

[BUMP]

I was about to point this out before 'ased Lo pointed this out


that sounds awkward

imo

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Using fielding percentage as the be-all end-all of defensive evaluation

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol Using fielding percentage as the be-all end-all of defensive evaluation
:lol using fielding as if it's as important as batting when evaluating position players

[Clipper Nation]

:lol using fielding as if it's as important as batting when evaluating position players

Hey, I'd much rather have a position player who can field well than a total liability, tbh....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm sure thats why the Angels gave Pujols $200M last summer. They needed a 1st baseman who could field really well.

[Spursfan092120]

So you can't quantify it. Didn't think so.

Didn't say I could quantify anything...said it was my opinion...I prefer Beltre..you don't...that's fine.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

That post was in response to stretch, not you.

[stretch]

:lol using fielding as if it's as important as batting when evaluating position players

Except that nobody did that.

:cry great fucking argument :cry

[Spursfan092120]

That post was in response to stretch, not you.

ok...my bad

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Except that nobody did that.

:cry great fucking argument :cry
So you admit Cabrera's batting is significantly more advantageous than Beltre's fielding? If that's the case I'm not sure why you're in this thread defending the arguments that Beltre is the best 3rd baseman in baseball.

I know it's your thing to say, "I wasn't serious about that really retarded opinion I had!" but it's hilarious how much your tone has changed since the beginning of this thread.

lol Vince Young
lol probably blames Jeff Fisher for the Bills cutting him
lol T-shirt Longhorns fan
lol didn't start posting about the Rangers till they got good

[jjktkk]

I'm sure thats why the Angels gave Pujols $200M last summer. They needed a 1st baseman who could field really well.

Apples and oranges. The primary reason the Rangers signed Beltre, was for his glove. We know why the Angels signed Pujols.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol the Rangers gave Beltre that giant contract because of his glove? If so that's really retarded.

[Lincoln]

Apples and oranges. The primary reason the Rangers signed Beltre, was for his glove. We know why the Angels signed Pujols.

:lmao :lmao Yes, giving someone a 6 year 96 million dollar contract for primarily their glove isn't fucking retarded at all.

[jjktkk]

:lol the Rangers gave Beltre that giant contract because of his glove? If so that's really retarded.

True. Just like the Angels giving Pujols a 10-year, 264 million. Pretty retarded.

[stretch]

So you admit Cabrera's batting is significantly more advantageous than Beltre's fielding? If that's the case I'm not sure why you're in this thread defending the arguments that Beltre is the best 3rd baseman in baseball.

All I said is that he is playing as well as any 3rd baseman in baseball right now. Never once defended that he is the best.


I know it's your thing to say, "I wasn't serious about that really retarded opinion I had!" but it's hilarious how much your tone has changed since the beginning of this thread.

Really? How is that? I think from beginning to end, all I've said is that he is playing at a high level right now, as well as any 3B in baseball at this point in time, but that I would still take Cabrera on my team in most situations.


lol Vince Young
lol probably blames Jeff Fisher for the Bills cutting him
lol T-shirt Longhorns fan
lol didn't start posting about the Rangers till they got good

oooh! sick burn!

[Clipper Nation]

I'm sure thats why the Angels gave Pujols $200M last summer. They needed a 1st baseman who could field really well.

No, they were just dumb enough to give $240 million over 10 years to a 32-year-old.... not a surprise, considering they were also the only team in the league dumb enough to willingly take on Vernon Wells' contract, tbh.....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

He's been the best 3rd baseman in baseball


Um...just saying it's my opinion. You're welcome to agree or disagree..you disagree, and that's fine. The roll Beltre is on right now is better than any 3B in the league...and I put no 3B above him on the defensive end. You might, and that's fine, but with my team, I want Beltre on third.


Cabrera certainly has a superior career, but as of right now? It's hard not to say Beltre is playing the position as well, if not better than anyone.

And let's not get ahead of ourselves for those who tried to compare Cabrera's fielding ability to Beltre... not even close.

If I had to choose between the two players for my own team... you really can't go wrong with either, and it boils down to necessity. In the case of the Rangers, I'll take Beltre, because he's not counted on to be the main guy in the lineup (not that he's incapable of being that), and his defense is incredibly welcomed (especially after having to suffer with Michael Young being garbage defensively). But if you don't have that luxury of a guy like Josh Hamilton to bat alongside, then I would probably take Cabrera.

:lmao homers
:lmao arguing Beltre is better than the best offensive player in baseball
:lmao can't wait to see how Rangerfan backpedals out of det one!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

This thread isn't going away anytime soon, nuh uh.

[monosylab1k]

:lol 0-4
:lol shits the bed when his team needs him most
:lol calling him the best 3B in baseball
:lol contract year whore who can't deliver in big games
:lol Beltre over Cliff Lee

[irishock]

He's been the best 3rd baseman in baseball

LOL

http://0.tqn.com/d/weirdnews/1/0/M/j/-/-/miguel-cabrera-mug-shot.jpg

[stretch]

:lmao homers
:lmao arguing Beltre is better than the best offensive player in baseball
:lmao can't wait to see how Rangerfan backpedals out of det one!

Not sure where I ever said that hes the best offensive player in baseball or that he was superior to Cabrera.


:lol 0-4
:lol shits the bed when his team needs him most
:lol calling him the best 3B in baseball
:lol contract year whore who can't deliver in big games
:lol Beltre over Cliff Lee

Oh no I know you aren't saying this crap after all the garbage you spewed saying that Derek Holland and Josh Beckett >>> Lee because "Lee doesnt deliver in big games". Then arguing that Nolan Ryan was just an above average all-time pitcher because "he didnt get a ton of wins or deliver in big games".

Beltre singlehandedly won a postseason game last year and has done a number of great things for the Rangers postseason run last year. Not his fault when relief pitching craps the bed or Cruz becomes a vagina on a game winning catch.

Not his best game today, but if someone deserves a bit of a pass its him. He has by far been the best player on the team this season. Josh and Young have already gotten their passes for crappy big game play the last two years. Beltre deserves his for ONE crappy big game.

[monosylab1k]

Not sure where I ever said that hes the best offensive player in baseball or that he was superior to Cabrera.



Oh no I know you aren't saying this crap after all the garbage you spewed saying that Derek Holland and Josh Beckett >>> Lee because "Lee doesnt deliver in big games". Then arguing that Nolan Ryan was just an above average all-time pitcher because "he didnt get a ton of wins or deliver in big games".

Beltre singlehandedly won a postseason game last year and has done a number of great things for the Rangers postseason run last year. Not his fault when relief pitching craps the bed or Cruz becomes a vagina on a game winning catch.

Not his best game today, but if someone deserves a bit of a pass its him. He has by far been the best player on the team this season. Josh and Young have already gotten their passes for crappy big game play the last two years. Beltre deserves his for ONE crappy big game.

ROFL bringing up personal discussions up here. Fuck you. Fuck you and we're done.

[stretch]

LOL hypocrite. Quit being a crybaby and grow a pair. I didnt bring up anything personal whatsoever.

[monosylab1k]

ROFL yeah you and your little ass buddies can talk all the shit about me you want. Bring that shit up and think i don't know what's going on? Fuck you.

[stretch]

Lol "me against the world" attitude. Didnt that get old after you passed that teenage phase?

Get over yourself. Especially when you dont even know what you are talking about.

[monosylab1k]

rofl two faced little c.unt

[stretch]

Really? Okay.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol is this conflict serious?

stretch, you said you'd take Beltre over Cabrera. You can try and justify it with, "But that's just because the Rangers already have Hamilton!" which doesn't make it any less retarded. No one in their right mind would take Beltre over Cabrera.

[stretch]

Apparently so :dizzy

I was specifically talking about that point in time, because Beltre was on a crazy tear. I think I also made it clear multiple times that Cabrera > Beltre.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I didn't want two brothers to have a falling out when I bumped this thread :cry

[stretch]

Lol

[Bill_Brasky]

lol friendship over because of a fucking Rangers argument

[mavs>spurs]

man mono is weird..i don't think any of that was real

no WAY a 30 year old is throwing internet tantrums at his own family over the internet. if that's the case, he's so butt sensitive that just breathing on it could chap it. You ever tried any of this, bro?

http://www.mountainside-medical.com/product_images/k/658/desitin-cream__19799_zoom.jpg