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Bill Nye slams creationism
By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)–Famed TV scientist Bill Nye is slamming creationism in a new online video for Big Think titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children."

"Denial of evolution is unique to the United States," Nye begins in a YouTube video posted on Thursday. The video quickly picked up steam over the weekend and as of Monday morning had been viewed more than 1,100,000 times.

Nye – a mechanical engineer and television personality best known for his program, "Bill Nye the Science Guy" – said the United States has great capital in scientific knowledge and "when you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in it, it holds everyone back."

"Your world becomes fantastically complicated if you don't believe in evolution," Nye said in the Web video.

Creationists are a vast and varied group in the United States. Most creationists believe in the account of the origins of the world as told in the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible.

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In the creation account, God creates Adam and Eve, the world, and everything in it in six days.

For Christians who read the Genesis account literally, or authoritatively as they would say, the six days in the account are literal 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution. Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.

The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.

During the 30 years Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.

Survey: Nearly half of Americans subscribe to creationist view of human origins

"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye said in the video.

"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it. Because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems," he said.

Creationists' beliefs about the origins of the Earth are often a narrow focus, based in large part on religious beliefs, and while they reject evolution as "just one theory," they often embrace other fields of science and technology.

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In "The Genesis Flood," the 1961 book that in many ways help launch the Young Earth creationism movement in the United States, the authors write: “Our conclusions must unavoidably be colored by our Biblical presuppositions, and this we plainly acknowledge." Their goal for the book was to harmonize the scientific evidence with the accounts in Genesis of creation and the flood.

The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859. By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution.

"In another couple centuries I'm sure that worldview won't even exist. There's no evidence for it. So..." Nye ends his video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDEvmqqcQiI

Not sure if this is posted yet but I agree with the Science Guy!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Avante is about to respond with some bible thumping creationist rant :lol

[Avante]

No way can anyone with a brain believe that some almighty whatever that nobody has ever seen or will ever see created the world and us humans, talk about ridiculous.....sheesh~~~~~~~

What actually happens was these little pollywog type creatues grew legs and walked out of the ocean onto dry land. Then after years and years of finding a female and male on the same beach at the same time they morped into elephants and lions and eagles and alligators and hippos and apes and spiders. Obviously us humans were once monkeys, not sure how we lost our tails.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

No way can anyone with a brain believe that some almighty whatever that nobody has ever seen or will ever see created the world and us humans, talk about ridiculous.....sheesh~~~~~~~

What actually happens was these little pollywog type creatues grew legs and walked out of the ocean onto dry land. Then after years and years of finding a female and male on the same beach at the same time they morped into elephants and lions and eagles and alligators and hippos and apes and spiders. Obviously us humans were once monkeys, not sure how we lost our tails.
:lmao there it is

[Jacob1983]

What about tolerance and being open minded to differing opinions? Who cares if you think the world was created by a supreme being or if some explosion was the cause or it was some goo that transformed into everything or whatever the fuck you think? Why do people bitch about evolution and creationism? Have your differing opinions and shut the fuck up.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

What about tolerance and being open minded to differing opinions? Who cares if you think the world was created by a supreme being or if some explosion was the cause or it was some goo that transformed into everything or whatever the fuck you think? Why do people bitch about evolution and creationism? Have your differing opinions and shut the fuck up.
:lmao another angry bible thumping creationist

lets round 'em all up!

[Avante]

Avante is about to respond with some bible thumping creationist rant :lol

Where did you ever get this idea I was some Bible thumper? I haven't been to church since 8th grade, then it was only because I dug this girl who asked me to go.

I don't know what to believe and neither does anyone else. So they just pick something that makes them happy.

[Woo Bum-kon]

:lmao

[Jacob1983]

What Bibles have I thumped on? Where is your proof that I said I believed in creationsim? Prove it first then I'll give you props. Otherwise, you got nothing.

[Avante]

When things were evolving where are all those different stages of development?

Sea thingy became a what, that turned into a what, that became another what? On the way to become a full grown elephant where are all the other semi-elephants? Why are elephants only in Africa/India? Why no elephants in Hungary? Where did the first cow come from? Where are all those mini cow going to be's? Where did the idea of flight come in? A sea thingy becoming a bird....why?

Who in the fuck is going to believe....

Samson was a bad bad dude but come on whipping up on a 1000 soldiers with just the jawbone of an ass:rolleyes They didn't have spears back then? Nobody thought...."look this cat is badass, he's already killed 200 of us, we need a plan".....who were these guys, the stupid patrol? Stand back and toss spears at the guy. Imagine what numbers 998 999 and 1000 must have thought looking at a mountain of 997 dead idiot soldiers. What..."I got him?"...:rolleyes

[Woo Bum-kon]

Here you go, Avante.

evolution.berkeley.edu

If you actually want to understand evolution (doubtful, since you probably want to ask stupid questions), do some research.

[Avante]

Here you go, Avante.

evolution.berkeley.edu

If you actually want to understand evolution (doubtful, since you probably want to ask stupid questions), do some research.

Why not get involved with the topic instead of me...ok?

I know all about evolution little fella, obviously fucking around.

The bottom line is what difference does it really make, here we are.

[Woo Bum-kon]

How am I messing with you? I am discussing the topic at hand, so stop crying.

Your questions are really stupid. If you knew all about evolution, you wouldn't ask such stupid questions, serious or not.

[Avante]

How am I messing with you? I am discussing the topic at hand, so stop crying.

Your questions are really stupid. If you knew all about evolution, you wouldn't ask such stupid questions, serious or not.

You are so right has always, silly me. Be serious, stay serious.

Enought about me, respect the topic.

[baseline bum]

This is still my favorite video on the subject

oEl9kVl6KPc

[Woo Bum-kon]

I am talking about the topic, stupid.

[Avante]

I am talking about the topic, stupid.

No you're not moron, you're back to chasing me around again. So stop lying, ok?

Ok man I'm not wanting this thread to be all about me so...see ya~~~~~~~~~~~

[Woo Bum-kon]

So, you make stupid posts in a thread, and you expect nobody to respond to them? And those who do are following you around?

:lol you have absolutely no idea how forums work, welsher.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Twitter was saying he died a couple days ago. Now he's resurrected and bashing Creationism? That's just hypocritical.

[Drachen]

Twitter was saying he died a couple days ago. Now he's resurrected and bashing Creationism? That's just hypocritical.

He died and there was nothing there, but then he brought himself back (he IS the science guy after all) to tell the world (on a seperate but related note, I have heard that his show may make a comeback).

[Fabbs]

11:31 AM ET
In the creation account, God creates Adam and Eve, the world, and everything in it in six days.




"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye said in the video.
Symbolic "days" timelength.
Earth itself could have well been billions of years in the forming.
Mankind is indeed only 6,000 years old.
Every *missing link* ape bone has been exposed.
*Mutations*? They may change a little but the NEVER *mutate* into a different species. A fruit fly always remains a fruit fly, albeit with a few color changes.

[Wild Cobra]

No you're not moron, you're back to chasing me around again. So stop lying, ok?

Ok man I'm not wanting this thread to be all about me so...see ya~~~~~~~~~~~
Woo Bum is just a troll. Don't expect a serious conversation.

[redzero]

Symbolic "days" timelength.
Earth itself could have well been billions of years in the forming.
Mankind is indeed only 6,000 years old.
Every *missing link* ape bone has been exposed.
*Mutations*? They may change a little but the NEVER *mutate* into a different species. A fruit fly always remains a fruit fly, albeit with a few color changes.

:lol I hope you aren't serious.

[Proxy]

Symbolic "days" timelength.
Earth itself could have well been billions of years in the forming.
Mankind is indeed only 6,000 years old.
Every *missing link* ape bone has been exposed.
*Mutations*? They may change a little but the NEVER *mutate* into a different species. A fruit fly always remains a fruit fly, albeit with a few color changes.

Things evolve because they NEED to adapt. This can be said for the existence of the Universe. Evolution isn't random. It doesn't happen for the hell of it.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22197-bonobo-genius-makes-stone-tools-like-early-humans-did.html

[mouse]

If Neil DeGrasse Tyson is so knowledgeable about the universe why should NASA have to spend $18.7 billion exploring Mars when they could have just asked him what was there.

[mouse]

Things evolve because they NEED to adapt.

List some examples.


Since your very knowledgeable about this topic please take a minute and satisfy my curiosity, how come diehard surfers who live on the beach everyday don't have web feet by now?

Tribes in Africa that have lived 1000s of years and 100s of miles from water should by now have humps on they're backs like a camel to store water.


If Tuna are always being eaten by Whales how come they haven't grown any defense mechanisms on they're bodies?

How come people who live in Antarctica and other cold regions of the earth for 1000s of years haven't developed fur on they're bodies?

If your naive enough to support evolution at least do a little research on it

[Proxy]

List some examples.


Since your very knowledgeable about this topic please take a minute and satisfy my curiosity, how come diehard surfers who live on the beach everyday don't have web feet by now?

Tribes in Africa that have lived 1000s of years and 100s of miles from water should by now have humps on they're backs like a camel to store water.


If Tuna are always being eaten by Whales how come they haven't grown any defense mechanisms on they're bodies?

How come people who live in Antarctica and other cold regions of the earth for 1000s of years haven't developed fur on they're bodies?

If your naive enough to support evolution at least do a little research on it

Good question! Another thing... why haven't humans evolved to fly for a better motive for transportation? Why haven't humans evolved away from lungs that need oxygen so we can live on other planets?

All the things you listed... have no problem with survival. It's funny that you moronically quoted my emphasis on evolution's basic catalyst being the need for adaptation, and then go and list things that are successful at LIVING and REPRODUCING.

[Halberto]

Well, at least we can go to Mars and explore it. lol

[mouse]

All the things you listed... have no problem with survival.


It's funny that you moronically quoted my emphasis on evolution's basic catalyst being the need for adaptation, and then go and list things that are successful at LIVING and REPRODUCING.


If what you say is true then there is no such thing as "endangered" species since the animals can just evolve to survive. By your theory shouldn't we have millions of dodo birds still around?


Like I said do a little research before you try to debate with someone who has.

[Blake]

Like I said do a little research before you try to debate with someone who has.

We know just how little research you've done

[mouse]

We know just how little research you've done

And I have yet to lost a debate about the age of the Earth or Evolution.


Why is that and what does that say about you and the others?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Tribes in Africa that have lived 1000s of years and 100s of miles from water should by now have humps on they're backs like a camel to store water. arth for 1000s of years haven't developed fur on they're bodies?

What tribes in Africa have lived 1000s of years 100s of miles away from water?

[mouse]

What tribes in Africa have lived 1000s of years 100s of miles away from water?


Water is 100 Miles Away

Food & Water
Food & Water - Zakat Foundation of America | Zakat Calculator | Muslim Charity | Muslim Aid

On any morning in Africa, one can find people walking with empty vessels towards the closest sources of water, in order to obtain water for drinking and cooking. They may arrive after a few hours to the lake and start to fill their containers with dirty water. At the moment, this is their best option for obtaining water.

After filling containers, they head back home to share this precious resource with their families, who are waiting patiently for hours on end. This insight is just a preview of what a normal day looks like for a poor person living in Africa; when they must walk miles in order to reach a water source.

http://www.zakat.org/images/sized/images/uploads/library/120210-water-miles-away-1-290x218.jpg

Walking many miles to find water is just one obstacle for the average person living in Africa. It could be that the water they do find is not good for them, and may expose them to waterborne illnesses. Most of the surface water that people in Africa use contains harmful bacteria. This sad fact contributes to the reality that causes diarrhoea diseases in children. Diarrhoea diseases impact is greater than the combined impact of HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis and malaria.
Food & Water - Zakat Foundation of America | Zakat Calculator | Muslim Charity | Muslim Aid
http://www.zakat.org/images/sized/images/uploads/library/120210-water-miles-away-2-290x218.jpg
By simply improving water sanitation and drinking-water quality in Africa, the suffering from these diseases could be reduced by nearly 90%. (UN)

To date, more than 100,000 people in Africa have been given access to clean water by using wells built by Zakat Foundation donors. Zakat Foundation continues digging wells in areas of water scarcity throughout Africa in order to provide drinkable water and prevent water related diseases. You can change the lives of thousands of people in Africa by digging a well and allowing them to have access to clean water.

Donate to dig a well in Africa and save thousands!

[Phenomanul]

The gargantuan disconnect here is that "origins" science has nothing to do with modern technology, or solving technological problems... "we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems" Nye says... Well I'm an engineer, I solve all sorts of real world problems and can troubleshoot with the best of the them (having to employ calculus, physics, thermodynamics, chemistry among other disciplines)... I need not believe that I share genetic ancestry with apes to do so... My belief in a Creator doesn't impact in any way, form or fashion how I go about solving said problems, nor does it limit my proficiencies... I work with observable, repeatable (let me repeat that one for emphasis), and measureble scientific data (you know, the three immutable pillars that the scientific method is built upon). The origins event cannot be repeated without incurring interference bias from those attempting such experiments. Any "best guess" experiment is merely that... a "guess", because no one can verifiably say that "x" or "y" process was the defacto process by which life began... No human! I repeat, no human was there to observe said event, much less measure and quantify it.

If people were really honest about it, they would acknowledge that the concept of "origins" falls outside of the realm of the true scientific method... As such, the origin of life is not quantifiable by our science, falling within the realm of speculation (no matter how fancy or complex that speculative "theory" has become)... Of course, Nye's accusation could be redirected at those with his line of thinking considering he's not being consistent with the criteria required by the scientific process. Not that they'd ever accept that either. They're so busy trying to convince others that belief in a higher power is holding humankind back... of course as they do this they want folks to ignore the history of the scientific movement, to ignore that the Enlightenment was sparked by men of faith (reference other posts below)... Geez... this topic has been discussed ad infinitum...





No, you haven't. I debunked most of your posts, Galileo, Descartes, Bacon, DaVinci, etc.


Well then go on... don't stop there.

Nicolaus Copernicus - just because he was persecuted by the Vatican does not mean he wasn't a believer. He was a devout man of faith.

Johannes Kepler - One of the Fathers of Modern Astronomy

Louis Pasteur - Father of Microbiology

Gregor Mendel - Father of Modern Genetics

Michael Faraday - Distinguished Physicist

Blaise Pascal - Distinguished Mathematician

Sir Isaac Newton - Father of Calculus and Physics (without him the modern scientific era doesn't unfold)

Carolus Linnaeus - Father of Taxonomy

Leonhard Euler - Distinguished Mathematician and Physicist

Niels Bohr – The Atom, need I say more...

John Dalton – Distinguished Chemist

James Clerk Maxwell - Father of Electromagnetism

William Thomson "Lord" Kelvin - Father of Thermodynamics - Distinguished Physicist

Linus Pauling – Revolutionized the World of Chemistry

Werner Heisenberg – Father of Quantum Theory

Max Planck - Distinguished Physicist – Co-father of Quantum Theory

Enrico Fermi - Distinguished Physicist

John Ambrose Fleming - Distinguished Mathematician and Physicist

J. Robert Oppenheimer – Distinguished Physicist

Alexander Fleming – Discovery of Penicillin

Sir Robert Boyd - Distinguished Astrophysicist

Albert Einstein - Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." Much like Isaac Newton (more on him below), this belief actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed… My favorite quote of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

I think that what really bothers many of you is having to admit that ‘science’ and what we now know as the ‘scientific process’ were largely invented by ‘religious’ people (and especially Christians)… Most branches of science were developed by Christians, even if schoolbooks abstain from mentioning such details… Furthermore, you all seem to strongly gravitate away from the idea that scientists can in fact be believers (this thread wreaks of it). But you all wouldn’t have such a hard time reconciling the two positions if you would only accept the fact that numerous professors and scientific leaders worldwide today are Christians... Either way, these facts make the statements that claim that "science and Christianity are enemies" as being absolutely false and extremely unfair distortions of history and of the present.

It is also a fact that Christian scientists often publish in respected journals, but if they write about ‘creation’ or something ‘religious,’ even if it’s rigorously testable scientifically, it’s almost always censored and banned from publication just like those who think of alternative theories to the Big Bang (even if not Christian) are censored and usually not allowed much freedom to publish. We never think of our free press being censored, but it is in several areas and especially in reference to the relationship between science and faith...

Unfortunately, some Christians have reacted to this ridicule with ridicule of their own. This has just hardened each camp in its position and greatly hindered progress and true scientific knowledge. I am trying hard to avoid this because I know and have met many very sincere atheists and evolutionists who want to understand what is true and accurate and follow it. There are many atheists and evolutionists who have contributed important things to science and they are dedicated and want to do good things for human beings. But, they have serious philosophical questions that make belief in God difficult for them and this should be respected and everyone should be allowed the freedom to theorize and try to prove their theories. So, I have much respect for those who search for truth and really try to be objective even if that means giving up a worldview or theory that they have held for a long time. This deserves much respect.

That said, it cannot help the truth to intentionally distort history and posit the idea that Christians are intellectually inferior, simply because of their Christian beliefs...



and secondly, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, there are exceptions to everything. Hitler was a Christian. So what?

He most definitely was not... FAIL. Or are you trying to make a Bill Maher-like argument here? Maher recently suggested that Stalin established a “state religion” while building his case against ‘religion’ only to conveniently lambast Christians for it? Talk about blinders… and revisionism… Stalin pushed one of the most devastating atheistic movements in the history of mankind. And as I stated in another thread, more than 40 million people lost their lives in opposition.



The large majority do not believe in a god, no matter if Newton did. There are many others who don't.

Except that you are conveniently minimizing who Newton was and what he represented… Isaac Newton is arguably one of the 10 most influential people of all time.

As an aside, in today’s age, scientists who openly embrace faith are blackballed by academic publishers… For that reason alone, I will always doubt the validity of such surveys/studies… if you can even call them that… these surveys do nothing more than propagate the notion that belief in GOD is tantamount to idiocy. Ironically these ‘studies’ do a great disservice to the virtues of scientific process they are trying to endorse…



Pasteur didn't practice religion like you do. His idea of a God was much more abstract and not specifically oriented.

So then you are saying he wasn’t a believer? Either he was or he wasn’t… clearly his writings show that he was. He just happened to take the position that many other great Deists, including Einstein, chose to follow. They believed in GOD regardless.



quote http://www.gradesaver.com/the-philosophical-writings-of-descartes/wikipedia/religious-beliefs/

"The religious beliefs of René Descartes have been rigorously debated within scholarly circles. He claimed to be a devout Roman Catholic, claiming that one of the purposes of the Meditations was to defend the Christian faith. However, in his own era, Descartes was accused of harboring secret deist or atheist beliefs. Contemporary Blaise Pascal said that "I cannot forgive Descartes; in all his philosophy, Descartes did his best to dispense with God. But Descartes could not avoid prodding God to set the world in motion with a snap of his lordly fingers; after that, he had no more use for God."

Using Descartes as definitive proof of an intelligent man who believed in a God is dishonest.
And using this as an argument against the supposed lack of intelligence in believers is a reach… and you know it. :wakeup

now attack ad infinitum... you've never been one to concede on anything, much less admit to erring.





Look, all the people arguing that some smart people believe in God... so what? What does that have to do with the OP? I don't think the point was that NO smart person believes. Just that, on average, non-believers have higher IQs than believers. :lol

No one's saying it's a hard line and there are no outliers.

It's a 'fair' take... but, I think you among others here missed the point.

Such studies are biased from the get-go - a complete slap-in-the-face to the scientific process they are supposedly trying to uphold (have you seen their methods, their sample pools? laughable really). Its assertions are without merit. Yet, you all have gleefully taken them to heart as if they helped justify the lack of belief amongst those here.

The scientific movement was largely born out of people who wished to understand the world around them... because they inherently understood that we were gifted the capacity to reason and comprehend the 'workings' of our world and our place in it (unlike the other creatures around us)... more specifically, they understood their unique place among 'creation'. Hasn't anyone here ever questioned the philosophical implications of being situated in the one zone in the galaxy that allows us to 'safely' study the universe to begin with? Most other zones in our galaxy are a haven for biodestructive cosmic forces, and aren't as conducive to providing the stability required for life to flourish, much less for that life to 'develop' the cognitive ability to question their place in the universe and the means to understand it.

Anyways, it's disingenous to continually distort history to the point where you all fail to admit that Believers, by and large, propelled the scientific movement. All those people I listed (out of a much larger list) revolutionized their fields and helped usher in the modern technological era. It's also rather disingenous to presume that they would be athiests in today's world...

Ask yourself this question... Why wasn't the scientific movement born out of other world philosophies (Islam, Shintoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, or even Atheism since you all tout its virtues so much)??? NOW, I'm not saying that their adherents lacked the intellectual capacity to do so... simply that they weren't gifted with the perspective to put it together, or to seek out Truth. Nowadays everyone shares in the benefit of all past contributions, and embraces the scientific process... but many (as exemplified in this thread) believe it to be a product of secularism, and the pre-requisite rejection of faith. Nothing can be further from the truth...

If some of the brightest minds ever have come to the realization that our universe was created, how is it you all can nonchalantly ignore the significance of their realization? Sure, go ahead and think for yourselves... ultimately matters of faith are entirely up to you all... but don't for a second believe you completely grasp the nuances of the physical laws that govern our universe, or the implications of the subatomic world which has unfolded before us... If you all think that being 'smart' is to accept only that which can be seen and measured then IMO you all aren't very smart at all. As I've said many times before... Science isn't the catch-all, be-all, end-all tool you all wish it to be... it's only a tool, not a world view.

As an aside, Atheism these days is becoming rather religious... except that many of its adherents can't even see, much less admit to this irony...

[redzero]

Oh lawdy, another idiot creationist is in our midst.

[mouse]

Oh lawdy, another idiot creationist is in our midst.

Oh lawdy, another wannabee TRoll nat buzzing around topics entering them just to try and insult posters with outdated comments since you really don't have any of the proper education it takes to even add to the original topic you have no choice.

[mouse]

I really, really hope that all these creationist fuckheads die off within my lifetime.


Real intelligent reply.

[redzero]

It doesn't take any education to copy/paste from creationist websites like you do, Mark.

[johnsmith]

Mouse, check your PM's.

[Proxy]

If what you say is true then there is no such thing as "endangered" species since the animals can just evolve to survive. By your theory shouldn't we have millions of dodo birds still around?


Like I said do a little research before you try to debate with someone who has.

Evolution depends on a successful, beneficial mutation. Things don't change just because you will them to change. Endangered species have been successful up to a point; now their brand of living is outdated in relation to the variables affecting them or their habitat.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Water is 100 Miles Away

Food & Water
Food & Water - Zakat Foundation of America | Zakat Calculator | Muslim Charity | Muslim Aid

On any morning in Africa, one can find people walking with empty vessels towards the closest sources of water, in order to obtain water for drinking and cooking. They may arrive after a few hours to the lake and start to fill their containers with dirty water. At the moment, this is their best option for obtaining water.

After filling containers, they head back home to share this precious resource with their families, who are waiting patiently for hours on end. This insight is just a preview of what a normal day looks like for a poor person living in Africa; when they must walk miles in order to reach a water source.

http://www.zakat.org/images/sized/images/uploads/library/120210-water-miles-away-1-290x218.jpg

Walking many miles to find water is just one obstacle for the average person living in Africa. It could be that the water they do find is not good for them, and may expose them to waterborne illnesses. Most of the surface water that people in Africa use contains harmful bacteria. This sad fact contributes to the reality that causes diarrhoea diseases in children. Diarrhoea diseases impact is greater than the combined impact of HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis and malaria.
Food & Water - Zakat Foundation of America | Zakat Calculator | Muslim Charity | Muslim Aid
http://www.zakat.org/images/sized/images/uploads/library/120210-water-miles-away-2-290x218.jpg
By simply improving water sanitation and drinking-water quality in Africa, the suffering from these diseases could be reduced by nearly 90%. (UN)

To date, more than 100,000 people in Africa have been given access to clean water by using wells built by Zakat Foundation donors. Zakat Foundation continues digging wells in areas of water scarcity throughout Africa in order to provide drinkable water and prevent water related diseases. You can change the lives of thousands of people in Africa by digging a well and allowing them to have access to clean water.

Donate to dig a well in Africa and save thousands!
So where's the part about them living for 1000s of years 100s of miles away from water? The fact they live far away from water in modern times has nothing to do with what you original said.

[mouse]

Evolution depends on a successful, beneficial mutation. Things don't change just because you will them to change. Endangered species have been successful up to a point; now their brand of living is outdated in relation to the variables affecting them or their habitat.

So you wannabee Darwin lovers get to Pic and choose when Evolution works and when it doesn't?


This may be the easiest debate yet.

[Bill_Brasky]

I really, really hope that all these creationist fuckheads die off within my lifetime.

[Proxy]

So you wannabee Darwin lovers get to Pic and choose when Evolution works and when it doesn't?


This may be the easiest debate yet.

Things aren't picked. They're observed and recorded.

[mouse]

Things aren't picked. They're observed and recorded.

Thank you Jesus

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[Proxy]

Thank you Jesus



I'm curious of what your stance is and why you're so against evolution. You haven't given an ounce of anything worth rebutting. I chose to humor you anyways. Give me a reason to carry on with this conversation. I won't if there's nothing to gain.

[Jacob1983]

Why can't a human believe in both creation and evolution? Is it possible that a person could think that a higher being created Earth and life and that organisms have in a way evolved over time?

[howbouthemspurs]

I miss watching Bill Bye the science guy when I was younger! It was a great show!

[tp2021]

Things evolve because they NEED to adapt. This can be said for the existence of the Universe. Evolution isn't random. It doesn't happen for the hell of it.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22197-bonobo-genius-makes-stone-tools-like-early-humans-did.html

Actually, one of the possible mechanisms of evolution, genetic drift, is population allele frequency changes due to random chance. Natural selection and the handful of other mechanisms aren't random, however.

[BacktoBasics]

What about tolerance and being open minded to differing opinions? Because people use these opinions to legislate their morals upon others. Its not just an opinion.

[BacktoBasics]

If what you say is true then there is no such thing as "endangered" species since the animals can just evolve to survive. By your theory shouldn't we have millions of dodo birds still around?


Like I said do a little research before you try to debate with someone who has.Is this where you dish a little smack then get hit with an actual debatable counter argument only to run from the thread and never return? You got a little bit of a history.

[BacktoBasics]

Why can't a human believe in both creation and evolution? Is it possible that a person could think that a higher being created Earth and life and that organisms have in a way evolved over time? This is certainly possible. It doesn't necessarily have to be a higher "being" either. Could in fact be anything. Its an endless debate of what created what. If there is a being then what created it and so on. Its not that some reject creationism as a whole its that most educated people reject the biblical accounts.

[redzero]

Is this where you dish a little smack then get hit with an actual debatable counter argument only to run from the thread and never return? You got a little bit of a history.

Yep. And he'll pop up in another thread weeks/months later to make the exact same argument.

[BacktoBasics]

So where's the part about them living for 1000s of years 100s of miles away from water? The fact they live far away from water in modern times has nothing to do with what you original said.
Of course it has nothing to do with it. Mouse is the king of non sequiturs and strawman arguments.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Because people use these opinions to legislate their morals upon others. Its not just an opinion.
It's funny that Gaycob1983 cries :crywhy can't people just have their opinion:cry in this thread when he's openly complained about gay people having rights as much as anyone else on this site.

:crywhy can't I just have the opinion gay people should be treated as sub-human:cry

[Blake]

Why can't a human believe in both creation and evolution? Is it possible that a person could think that a higher being created Earth and life and that organisms have in a way evolved over time?

Who says you can't

[Proxy]

Actually, one of the possible mechanisms of evolution, genetic drift, is population allele frequency changes due to random chance. Natural selection and the handful of other mechanisms aren't random, however.

:toast

Didn't know that. I've been reading up on all of this. I really appreciate you telling this to me.

I'm finding it really interesting that the mathematics of chance have a better chance of altering the allele frequency in smaller groups and less of an effect on larger groups.

I'm not sure if this is accurate for me to imagine... I've been wondering if natural selection/adaptation serves as a specific example of some broader phenomenon... for instance, can we assume that the big bang happened because there was a reason for such a change?

You bringing genetic drift to my attention and reading up on how it brings about evolution in a different way is definitely food for thought. I've thought that things are the way they are due to adaptive nature on macro levels... realizing how something like genetic drift functions on chance makes me wonder if this can be applied on a cosmic level and if so, what would be the results.

[mouse]

So where's the part about them living for 1000s of years 100s of miles away from water? The fact they live far away from water in modern times has nothing to do with what you original said.


Are you really that ignorant or to lazy to google?

[mouse]

Of course it has nothing to do with it. Mouse is the king of non sequiturs and strawman arguments.


Maybe if you put down the porkskins for 2 minutes and scroll back to were he said humans and animals have to evolve in order to survive.

I posted an African tribe that has been around since 1000BC that has been struggling to find water and have yet to develop water storing humps on there're backs.
Why have they not evolved yet?
Show me the proof is tha so hard?

[Proxy]

Maybe if you put down the porkskins for 2 minutes and scroll back to were he said humans and animals have to evolve in order to survive.

I posted an African tribe that has been around since 1000BC that has been struggling to find water and have yet to develop water storing humps on there're backs.
Why have they not evolved yet?
Show me the proof is tha so hard?

there're
their

This African tribe has been around since 1000 BC. That answers your question. They're successful.

[Clipper Nation]

It's funny that Gaycob1983 cries :crywhy can't people just have their opinion:cry in this thread when he's openly complained about gay people having rights as much as anyone else on this site.

:crywhy can't I just have the opinion gay people should be treated as sub-human:cry

:cry LeBron rang so I have to spend the entire month of July flooding the NBA Forum with butthurt threads about it :cry

:cry Pass the Xanax on the left-hand side :cry

[mouse]

there're
their


Grammar smack is so 1990s update your comebacks (heads up)



This African tribe has been around since 1000 BC. That answers your question. They're successful.


The apes are successful also why did they have to evovle into man?

[Proxy]

Grammar smack is so 1990s update your comebacks (heads up)

I usually don't care but I've never seen 'there're' before.






The apes are successful also why did they have to evovle into man?

You make it sound like it happened overnight. I thought you said you read up on all this stuff.

Anyways, you're playing critic without posing an alternative. That's weak shit man... weak shit. Are you going to take a stance or just give empty rebuttals because it doesn't support your holy texts?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:cry LeBron rang so I have to spend the entire month of July flooding the NBA Forum with butthurt threads about it :cry

:cry Pass the Xanax on the left-hand side :cry
:lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Are you really that ignorant or to lazy to google?
:lol in other words, you can't find evidence of an African tribe that lived 100s of miles away from water 1000s of years ago

[mouse]

Last member of 65,000-year-old tribe dies, taking one of world's earliest languages to the grave
By ANNY SHAW
UPDATED: 20:09 EST, 9 February 2010

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/02/05/article-1248754-082A2348000005DC-331_468x481.jpg
The last member of a 65,000-year-old tribe has died, taking one of the world's earliest languages to the grave.
Boa Sr, who died last week aged about 85, was the last native of the Andaman Islands who was fluent in Bo.
Named after the tribe, Bo is one of the 10 Great Andamanese languages, which are thought to date back to the pre-Neolithic period when the earliest humans walked out of Africa.
Scroll down to hear Boa Sr speak the lost language of the Bo
Boa Sr, who died last week aged about 85, was the last native of the Andaman Islands who was fluent in Bo
Boa was the oldest member of the Great Andamanese, a group of tribes that are the the first descendants of early humans who migrated from Africa about 70,000 years ago and who arrived on the islands around 65,000. Other groups went on to colonise Indonesia and Australia.
She lived through the horrors and hardships of the 2004 Asian tsunami, the Japanese occupation and diseases brought by colonisers in the 19th century.
Boa described the moment the tsunami struck: 'We were all there when the earthquake came.
'The eldest told us "the Earth would part, don't run away or move". The elders told us, that's how we know.'
Professor Anvita Abbi, a linguist who knew Boa, said the tribeswoman had been losing her sight in recent years and was unable to speak with anyone in
her own language and grew up in traditional society, learning to gather wild potatoes and hunt for wild pigs, turtles and

'Alcohol was a big problem. It was killing them one by one.'
The Bo are believed to have lived on the islands for as long as 65,000 years, making them one of the oldest surviving human cultures.Water was hard to find and they walked hundreds of miles to find it.
The king of the Bo tribe died in 2005, leaving only a handful of elderly members who also died over the next five years.
The Great Andamanese once numbered more than 5,000 and were made up of 10 distinct groups each with their own language.
But today, after more than 150 years of contact with colonisers and the diseases they brought with them, the Great Andamanese number just 52.
The only indigenous tribe that is relatively intact is the Sentinelese, who ban any contact with outsiders.

[Jacob1983]

That thing looks like an alien.

Anyways, I never said that homos and lesbos couldn't get married or couldn't have gay sex. They can do whatever they want. I'm just not going to do anything in the fight for marriage equality because I don't care enough. If that makes me a the scum of Earth, then guilty as charged.

And you can believe in evolution, creationish, both, or none of the above. I don't give a shit. You have a mind of your own and can think whatever you want.

[Blake]

And you can believe in evolution, creationish, both, or none of the above. I don't give a shit. You have a mind of your own and can think whatever you want.

Nobody gives a shit that you don't give a shit.

The point is to keep creationism out of science class.

[mouse]

The point is to keep creationism out of science class.

The point is to keep Evolution out of the science class.

[mouse]

I usually don't care but I've never seen 'there're' before.







You make it sound like it happened overnight. I thought you said you read up on all this stuff.

Anyways, you're playing critic without posing an alternative. That's weak shit man... weak shit. Are you going to take a stance or just give empty rebuttals because it doesn't support your holy texts?

Where is your proof?


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[Blake]

The point is to keep Evolution out of the science class.

obviously you made it a point to never go to science class.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol intelligent design
:lol bible thumpers renaming creationism because creationism sounded too retarded

[redzero]

mouse believes that aliens made human, like in Prometheus.

[z0sa]

Some people no doubt remember I was a big creationist defender a few years ago. IMHO I was the only one halfway scientific and willing to debate about it (if you wanna call creationism 'science' by any stretch), sorry Mouse. But what's funny is I was going through this inner turmoil, confronted by the facts of evolution and my own beliefs, and just by chance I catch a Bill Nye rerun and there's that ape-to-man diagram flying through the intro and I think, "Man, I remember watching Bill Nye every day when I was a kid. He would never lie to me." So literally he was the catalyst that permanently changed my camp to that of actual science.

[mavs>spurs]

i believe in creationism and evolution but i'd just like to point out that mouse looks like ron jeremy's retarded twin brother. when they were in the womb together they were attached by the dick but over the course of pregnancy they grow together ultimately forming one super dick which went to ron and mouse was left with nothing tbh.

[Creepn]

It's best to take the Confucius way of thinking on things like this. He believed that anything revolving religion and the beyond surpasses our human intelligence. There's no point in arguing about it. It was best to discuss your present life at hand.

[Jesus]

Bill will get slammed in a way that will make him a believer.

[redzero]

Bill will get slammed in a way that will make him a believer.

:lol believing aliens created humans

[Jesus]

:lol believing aliens created humans

:lmao Believing in the big bang.

[redzero]

:lmao Believing in the big bang.

:lol thinking that your explanation makes more sense.

[Jesus]

:lol thinking that your explanation makes more sense.

:lmao Thinking you make sense.

[redzero]

I'd make more sense if you didn't drop out of middle school, you stupid bum.

[Jacob1983]

I don't care if anyone gives a shit or doesn't give a shit that I don't give a shit. You think I care. To quote Tommy Lee Jones from The Fugitive "I DON'T CARE".

[Blake]

Bill will get slammed in a way that will make him a believer.

if you tried your hand at stand-up, they would crucify you

[Avante]

Has anyone ever entered one of these...evolution vs creation...threads (been here as long as the internet as been here) believing one thing then leaving believing something else?

[Blake]

I don't care if anyone gives a shit or doesn't give a shit that I don't give a shit. You think I care. To quote Tommy Lee Jones from The Fugitive "I DON'T CARE".

Clearly you don't care

[DoubtingThomas]

Has anyone ever entered one of these...evolution vs creation...threads (been here as long as the internet as been here) believing one thing then leaving believing something else?

No

[z0sa]

I'd make more sense if you didn't drop out of middle school, you stupid bum.

Those Jews were so far ahead of their time.

[DMC]

The majority of the average folk in the US are ignorant fucks. Shocker. You only need look here where at least the ignorant fucks know how to use a PC to see that even those kind still cannot ween themselves from the god teat in fear of "what if I'm wrong?". It's not that they don't understand science, they just don't have any trust in their perception of reality. They are sheep who desperately need to be led by someone who feigns a more steadfast trust in whatever they claim to believe in, be it science or religion. Who gives a fuck what Nye says? I am an atheist and I rely heavily on science but who gives a fuck what a popular TV engineer thinks? Is he now the secretary of science? Might as well ask the Dirty Jobs guy about pig shit and publish his thoughts to the manure farmers around the world.

Let the ignorant worship whatever they want, just as long as I don't have to interact with the idiots.

[DMC]

Has anyone ever entered one of these...evolution vs creation...threads (been here as long as the internet as been here) believing one thing then leaving believing something else?

If your belief is caused by discussion, I am not sure I would give a shit what you believe.

[DMC]

It's best to take the Confucius way of thinking on things like this. He believed that anything revolving religion and the beyond surpasses our human intelligence. There's no point in arguing about it. It was best to discuss your present life at hand.
Believing anyone who says they have the answer and proceeding with "it's beyond our intelligence" puts you right there with the other sheep.

The cop out of the mentally lazy or just genetically challenged mind is to claim "well it don't matter because no one knows".

When you catch up on what is already known, then maybe you will begin to understand that "beyond our ability to understand" is the tribal ignorance that keeps the wolf of reality at bay and allows the fearful among us to sleep at night. You certainly don't want to question the unknown.

[DieMrBond]

A 2010 survey conducted by Auspoll and the Australian Academy of Science found that 79% of Australians believe in evolution (71% believe it is currently occurring, 8% believe in evolution but do not think it is currently occurring), 11% were not sure and 10% stated they do not believe in evolution.


According to a 2007 Gallup poll, about 43% of Americans believe that "God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so." This is only slightly less than the 46% reported in a 2006 Gallup poll. Only 14% believed that "human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God had no part in this process", despite 49% of respondents indicating they believed in evolution.


A 1997 study found that fewer than 20% of Americans possessed basic scientific literacy and a People for the American Way poll found that less than half (48%) of those polled chose the correct definition of evolution from a list.[138] In 2006, New Scientist reported that almost 2/3 of Americans believe they share less than half their genes with "monkeys", when in fact the figure is between 95–99% depending on the primate and comparison method.

I'll just say that I am glad I live where I live. I'll leave that up to you to interpret.

[DMC]

I'll just say that I am glad I live where I live. I'll leave that up to you to interpret.

I prefer the US. There's a greater opportunity sheer sheep here.

[Proxy]

I'll just say that I am glad I live where I live. I'll leave that up to you to interpret.

The American education system is embarrassing

[Creepn]

Believing anyone who says they have the answer and proceeding with "it's beyond our intelligence" puts you right there with the other sheep.

The cop out of the mentally lazy or just genetically challenged mind is to claim "well it don't matter because no one knows".

When you catch up on what is already known, then maybe you will begin to understand that "beyond our ability to understand" is the tribal ignorance that keeps the wolf of reality at bay and allows the fearful among us to sleep at night. You certainly don't want to question the unknown.

Ok have fun pondering, fighting, and arguing over something you'll never have all the facts and answers to. Good luck on that Nobel prize Mr. Shepherd.

[The Reckoning]

I prefer the US. There's a greater opportunity sheer sheep here.



tbh New Zealand is best for that. there's more sheep than people there.

[The Reckoning]

I'll just say that I am glad I live where I live. I'll leave that up to you to interpret.


it doesnt dismiss the fact that your country folk are now on average fatter than americans.

apparently yall believe in the right to evolve to pasture grazing holsteins.

[Creepn]

What happened to the homo erectus btw?

[mavs>spurs]

What happened to the homo erectus btw?

you are the living proof they exist

[howbouthemspurs]

you are the living proof they exist


HAHAHA!! BURN!!! . wait... that was stupid.... really dude?

[Homeland Security]

Creationist Jeebotards are like the easiest people ever to control. When we're in power they will love our leader like he's reincarnate Jesus. And they'll be so eager to start killing people they hate that we expect we'll have to settle them down. Especially since they'll want to waste time and resources killing poor blacks.

[Avante]

If your belief is caused by discussion, I am not sure I would give a shit what you believe.

Are you stupid enought to think anyone gives a fuck if you care what they believe? Aren't you a dumbass atheist? So here you are in world totally surrounded by all kinds of religious beliefs and there you are ..."you can't fool me"...what a fucking retard. Pull your head out of ass moron and figure it the fuck out.

DMC...but science says that....

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

Dude, in 1936 right after Jeese Owens won the Olympic 100m in 10.2, science was asked just how fast could a human run, our limits. They put their scientific mumbo jumbo together and game up with..9.9 seconds. TCU alone has had six guys run that fast or faster. Ever think just maybe there are some thing science simply can't handle? Of course not you're a fucking idiot!

[mouse]

why do people who support Evolution always feel threaten?


They just can't accept we all have our own views on how we got here and respect others who have a different view.

They always have to cop an attitude and resort to childish insults.


I personally don't care if a person thinks they evolved from a snail or if a huge man in a beard put them here.


Just don't call it Science and keep it out of the text books.

[howbouthemspurs]

Science is the pursuit of knowledge by forming logical and rational hypothesis by using conductive reasoning. Religion is neither logical or rational, therefore it serves no purpose to advance a society to its full potential. Without religion, this world would be far more advance than it is today.


:ihit

[Jacob1983]

Why not just believe in whatever you want and not try to jam your shit down on other people's throats? I laugh and smile at people who have this cocky arrogant and know it all attitude and act like they know everything. They apparently know that there is no higher being or supreme being and that there is no life after death or Heaven. In my opinion, unless you have died and actually experienced what happens, you can't say for sure one way or the other.

[Avante]

Why not just believe in whatever you want and not try to jam your shit down on other people's throats? I laugh and smile at people who have this cocky arrogant and know it all attitude and act like they know everything. They apparently know that there is no higher being or supreme being and that there is no life after death or Heaven. In my opinion, unless you have died and actually experienced what happens, you can't say for sure one way or the other.

It really is funny isn't it? Nobody "really" knows shit about this yet think they do, hahaha!!!!!!!

What I do know is that those with a God in their life are better adjusted to the trials/tribulations of life than those playing..."bah humbug!"

[The Reckoning]

What happened to the homo erectus btw?


most likely killed off by homo sapiens.

the evolutionary pattern wasn't linear by any means, so you have several different types of hominids living in the same general areas.

[mouse]

Well let's see what we do know.

We know Earth is special. Eventhough there was this "Random" explosion and all the planets and moons are just the right distance from each other and planet Earth has air,water,and vegitation.

We have fish,cattle,eggs,fruit etc

We have sunlight,rain,snow,and heat

We have rivers,seas,lakes,and springs

We have colorful landscapes flowers and rainbows

And all this from some huge explosion of matter that no one can explain how it got there or what caused it to explode?

The only thing that can sound anymore unbelievable is the fact all that was possible except for humans we had to evolve from a chimpanze.

[The Reckoning]

Well let's see what we do know.


We have fish,cattle,eggs,fruit etc
.

all domesticated by people



The only thing that can sound anymore unbelievable is the fact all that was possible except for humans we had to evol(v)e from a chimpanze.


youre correct by this because it's not true. derp.

[mouse]

Science is the pursuit of knowledge by forming logical and rational hypothesis by using conductive reasoning. Religion is neither logical or rational, therefore it serves no purpose to advance a society to its full potential. Without religion, this world would be far more advance than it is today.


:ihit


Adding bakingsoda to vinegar to see what happens or experimenting on a artifitfical liver is fantastic Science.

Telling people there is no God and how the Earth was formed 4 billion years ago and can't explain how Stonehenge was buit is not Science.

[The Reckoning]

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[mouse]

all domesticated by people

How do you domesticate a tuna?

youre correct by this because it's not true. derp.

Did I choose the wrong primate?

You don't really understand evolution if you did you would know all life evolved from warm pools of liquid after the earth cooled for two billion years.

So the facts of "Science" books claim we were all once a snail at one time.


You see as you uncover Evolution and break it down "scientifically" it starts to sound foolish to intelligent people.

[The Reckoning]

if God gave us tuna then why did He put them way out in the middle of the fucking ocean where we could only access them by solid ship construction and sails?

[redzero]

Mark and Avante with the logical fallacies, as usual.

[redzero]

Mark, how do you think human beings came into being?

[Shaolin-Style]

I really don't think there's anyway to find what the source of existence is. I'd say God even came from something. Too complicated! I lean towards the theistic evolution stance personally.

[Wild Cobra]

How can Bill Nye be a true guy of science when he says something does not exist without scientific proof?

[Avante]

Mark and Avante with the logical fallacies, as usual.

Everywhere we go in this world we will find places of worship and religion.

They once found some lost tribe in the Phillipine jungles, they had a God. People want a God, and it should be very obvious, to go around..."that isn't logical"...is stupid. Hell no it isn't logical it's spiritual. It's not suppose to be logical. It's about faith not logic.

Dude:rolleyes

[redzero]

Humans are inclined to believe in fairy tales. That doesn't make the fairy tales any less silly.

[Avante]

Humans are inclined to believe in fairy tales. That doesn't make the fairy tales any less silly.

I pity you man. No faith in anything, no hope in anything. I would not wanna be you.


Sftr17h2dO4 (http://Sftr17h2dO4)

[redzero]

Faith and hope are not synonymous.

Are you going to provide an actual argument any time soon?

[Avante]

Faith and hope are not synonymous.

Are you going to provide an actual argument any time soon?

Nope, you are obviously too far gone to bother with. As you saw in the video (I know you didn't watch it) nobody cares about people like you, they believe. Like I said I pity you. No back and forth tonight little fella, really not in the mood for another.."no you don't!"...when yes I do.

See ya~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Wild Cobra]

Faith and hope are not synonymous.

Are you going to provide an actual argument any time soon?

I will simply say this again.

A true man of science will not say that God is impossible.

[redzero]

^ That's nice.

So, Avante, are you ever going to give a coherent response? You're jumping all over the place.

[DieMrBond]

it doesnt dismiss the fact that your country folk are now on average fatter than americans.

apparently yall believe in the right to evolve to pasture grazing holsteins.

They may be fat, but at least they have an education in science ;)
Also, you're just jealous you've lost your gluttony crown.

I'm not entirely sure exactly HOW Australia became the fattest, because in the west coast you don't see very many obese people at all. I know of two criminally obese people in my entire social/work/educational/sporting circle - and the rest are all pretty firmly within healthy BMIs. They must be hiding in Maccas or something?

But seriously, over 140 MILLION people (more than 4 times more than there are actual Australians) don't believe in evolution or other scientifically provable things? That amazes me. I polled the people on my Facebook about this, and to a person they all couldn't believe it - including the two Americans I know.

[Blake]

I will simply say this again.

A true man of science will not say that God is impossible.

A true man of science will never invoke god to fill gaps.

[Blake]

No back and forth tonight little fella, really not in the mood for another.."no you don't!"...when yes I do.


That time of the month, princess?

[The Reckoning]

They may be fat, but at least they have an education in science ;)
Also, you're just jealous you've lost your gluttony crown.

I'm not entirely sure exactly HOW Australia became the fattest, because in the west coast you don't see very many obese people at all. I know of two criminally obese people in my entire social/work/educational/sporting circle - and the rest are all pretty firmly within healthy BMIs. They must be hiding in Maccas or something?

But seriously, over 140 MILLION people (more than 4 times more than there are actual Australians) don't believe in evolution or other scientifically provable things? That amazes me. I polled the people on my Facebook about this, and to a person they all couldn't believe it - including the two Americans I know.

i'm sure surveys are always skewed in america regarding religion.

regarding mickey d's.,,it's probably the east coast honestly. ill be in perth (fremantle) here in a couple of weeks to assess the situation. stay tuned.

[Blake]

I pity you man. No faith in anything, no hope in anything. I would not wanna be you.


tell us what you believe is out there and what happens when we die so that we can all share your hope

[InK]

Well let's see what we do know.

We know Earth is special. Eventhough there was this "Random" explosion and all the planets and moons are just the right distance from each other and planet Earth has air,water,and vegitation.

We have fish,cattle,eggs,fruit etc

We have sunlight,rain,snow,and heat

We have rivers,seas,lakes,and springs

We have colorful landscapes flowers and rainbows

And all this from some huge explosion of matter that no one can explain how it got there or what caused it to explode?

The only thing that can sound anymore unbelievable is the fact all that was possible except for humans we had to evolve from a chimpanze.

DID extensive research on topic.

[Brazil]

List some examples.


Since your very knowledgeable about this topic please take a minute and satisfy my curiosity, how come diehard surfers who live on the beach everyday don't have web feet by now?

Tribes in Africa that have lived 1000s of years and 100s of miles from water should by now have humps on they're backs like a camel to store water.


If Tuna are always being eaten by Whales how come they haven't grown any defense mechanisms on they're bodies?

How come people who live in Antarctica and other cold regions of the earth for 1000s of years haven't developed fur on they're bodies?

If your naive enough to support evolution at least do a little research on it

is this guy for real ?

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Brazil]

Why not just believe in whatever you want and not try to jam your shit down on other people's throats? I laugh and smile at people who have this cocky arrogant and know it all attitude and act like they know everything. They apparently know that there is no higher being or supreme being and that there is no life after death or Heaven. In my opinion, unless you have died and actually experienced what happens, you can't say for sure one way or the other.

believing in god or not is fully respectable

believing in creationism while negating evolutionism is just plain stupid and laughable, just the sign of some uneducated farmers in the mid west

[DoubtingThomas]

believing in god or not is fully respectable

believing in creationism while negating evolutionism is just plain stupid and laughable, just the sign of some uneducated farmers in the mid west

God's creation is always evolving.

[Avante]

tell us what you believe is out there and what happens when we die so that we can all share your hope

72 virgins.

[Blake]

God's creation is always evolving.

Bible verse?

[Blake]

72 virgins.

what makes you believe that?

Do women also obtain 72 virgins or do they get to be one of your virgins?

[Ginobilly]

take a big hit of some salvia and you will feel that there is a God or a higher being(system) that is governing our very existence. It knows what each of us is doing all the time. The bible is a medium that helps us bring salvation to our souls for the next step in life. Earth and the universe you could say is the bridge-gap between heaven and hell. It's very simple, you live a good moral life; you move on. You don't. Then earth becomes your hell and you no longer exist anymore. I bet you that Bill Nye still believes in a higher source(just like all the great physicist). But what he is trying to say to people is that we no longer have the excuse to act like idiots and barbarians and not let Science and innovation expand because you are misinterpreting the bible or religion in general.

[Avante]

what makes you believe that?

Do women also obtain 72 virgins or do they get to be one of your virgins?

Pssst...just kidding:rolleyes

Nobody knows a damn thing about nothing. So it all comes down to do you feel better about things living a life without a God in it or with a God. So far most people prefer to have a God in their life.

Does anyone have a clue what happens after they die, of course not. There's where faith and hope come in. You hope He does exist you have faith that He does. Anyone saying that no there is no God can't prove a fucking thing, so why even bother? If they get off on ..bah humbug...why bother those who prefer something better than that?

The happiest people I know believe in God. I'd much rather be around those with God in thier life than a bunch of ...bah humbuggers.

[Blake]

The bible is a medium that helps us bring salvation to our souls for the next step in life. ....
...It's very simple, you live a good moral life; you move on.

Problem there is that the bible is extremely immoral.

[TimothyLeary]

take a big hit of some salvia and you will feel that there is a God or a higher being(system) that is governing our very existence. It knows what each of us is doing all the time. The bible is a medium that helps us bring salvation to our souls for the next step in life. Earth and the universe you could say is the bridge-gap between heaven and hell. It's very simple, you live a good moral life; you move on. You don't. Then earth becomes your hell and you no longer exist anymore. I bet you that Bill Nye still believes in a higher source(just like all the great physicist). But what he is trying to say to people is that we no longer have the excuse to act like idiots and barbarians and not let Science and innovation expand because you are misinterpreting the bible or religion in general.

I'd much rather drop acid.

[Blake]

Nobody knows a damn thing about nothing. So it all comes down to do you feel better about things living a life without a God in it or with a God. So far most people prefer to have a God in their life.

Does anyone have a clue what happens after they die, of course not. There's where faith and hope come in. You hope He does exist you have faith that He does. Anyone saying that no there is no God can't prove a fucking thing, so why even bother? If they get off on ..bah humbug...why bother those who prefer something better than that?

The happiest people I know believe in God. I'd much rather be around those with God in thier life than a bunch of ...bah humbuggers.

stop beating around the bush. Tell us what you believe.

[Smart Ass]

stop beating around the burning bush. Tell us what you believe.

fify

[Avante]

stop beating around the bush. Tell us what you believe.

You asked

The Bible is a fraud. Just another form of mythology not unlike Jupiter, Odin, Zeus. Totally humanoid made. There was no Jesus, it's nothing like that at all. And...Mohammad was a liar.

There is something so out there we can't fathom it. So far superior to the Gods we know of it's ridiculous. Something totally incredible. But like everyone else I don't know what it is. To think all of this just happened when it takes so many things working in perfect concert to pull it off is crazy. What if the sun was closer or further away? What if we spun around faster/slower? Everything has to be absolutely perfect. That takes a Master Designer or Designers.

But since nobody has a clue, why not just go with God as we know Him.

[Proxy]

Pssst...just kidding:rolleyes

Nobody knows a damn thing about nothing. So it all comes down to do you feel better about things living a life without a God in it or with a God. So far most people prefer to have a God in their life.

Actually we know a lot. We just recently found the Higgs Boson for example. Found sugar molecules in space as well.


Does anyone have a clue what happens after they die, of course not. There's where faith and hope come in. You hope He does exist you have faith that He does. Anyone saying that no there is no God can't prove a fucking thing, so why even bother? If they get off on ..bah humbug...why bother those who prefer something better than that?

Afterlife is a way of admitting you're scared of your mortality to the point where you'll choose to believe in a fairy tale. You can live life believing nothing is a miracle, or you can live life believing that everything is a miracle.


The happiest people I know believe in God. I'd much rather be around those with God in thier life than a bunch of ...bah humbuggers.

Happiness doesn't correlate with religious beliefs. There are happy christians and happy atheists and happy buddhists and happy satanists. There are humbuggers everywhere, and far more humbuggers that resort to violence under religious cause than there are under atheistic cause.

[Ginobilly]

Problem there is that the bible is extremely immoral.

You probably haven't read it right and you are misunderstanding it. It is the apposite of immoral, but if you let it; it could guide you to do terrible things which will cause you to go to hell. It's your choice how you want to use it. I know it freaks some people out when you speak to them about God and the complexity of life and the universe. It's because those people are scared. It's like a dog suddenly becoming smarter and learning about its existence and it's place in the universe. About God, about how cruel Humans really are,etc. He will probably be sad and depressed and ask why??? He would rather be back to being an ordinary dog. It's like the more you about the complexities of life, the more pain you will feel and the more you will be held accountable. I have finally accepted that there is. That's why I'm not really afraid of dying or anything like that anymore. Albert Einstein refused to have an operation to save his life and just let, "nature have it's way with me". Just like like Bill Nye has. But that doesn't mean we can't explore this reality.

[Proxy]

You asked

The Bible is a fraud. Just another form of mythology not unlike Jupiter, Odin, Zeus. Totally humanoid made. There was no Jesus, it's nothing like that at all. And...Mohammad was a liar.

There is something so out there we can't fathom it. So far superior to the Gods we know of it's ridiculous. Something totally incredible. But like everyone else I don't know what it is. To think all of this just happened when it takes so many things working in perfect concert to pull it off is crazy. What if the sun was closer or further away? What if we spun around faster/slower? Everything has to be absolutely perfect. That takes a Master Designer or Designers.

But since nobody has a clue, why not just go with God as we know Him.

If you have a beginning... a starting point, then why wouldn't the Universe just come into being instead of taking the extra step in making a designer to make the universe. It's an illogical step that you're imagining to give yourself a sense of immortality and purpose. It scares you to admit that life on this planet has no grand purpose and will seemingly mean nothing.

[Blake]

fify

No, you're not better than a dumb ass.

[Avante]

If you have a beginning... a starting point, then why wouldn't the Universe just come into being instead of taking the extra step in making a designer to make the universe. It's an illogical step that you're imagining to give yourself a sense of immortality and purpose. It scares you to admit that life on this planet has no grand purpose and will seemingly mean nothing.

Right there is where everyone makes the big mistake. You being the perfect example. We are finally confronted with someting totally illogical. It's not to be ruled by our limitations it goes far beyond what we can comprehend. We need it to fit inside our perimeters and it simply can't that's why so many struggle with it, they are used to everything having some logic attached to it, this doesn't. We are dealing with something so our of our relm of understanding it's like a newborn let loose in the world.

[Blake]

You asked

The Bible is a fraud. Just another form of mythology not unlike Jupiter, Odin, Zeus. Totally humanoid made. There was no Jesus, it's nothing like that at all. And...Mohammad was a liar.

There is something so out there we can't fathom it. So far superior to the Gods we know of it's ridiculous. Something totally incredible. But like everyone else I don't know what it is. To think all of this just happened when it takes so many things working in perfect concert to pull it off is crazy. What if the sun was closer or further away? What if we spun around faster/slower? Everything has to be absolutely perfect. That takes a Master Designer or Designers.

To think that a master designer did all that but never shows himself to us.

what an asshole he is.


But since nobody has a clue, why not just go with God as we know Him.

You just said that the bible is a fraud. Make up your mind.

[Blake]

Right there is where everyone makes the big mistake. You being the perfect example. We are finally confronted with someting totally illogical. It's not to be ruled by our limitations it goes far beyond what we can comprehend. We need it to fit inside our perimeters and it simply can't that's why so many struggle with it, they are used to everything having some logic attached to it, this doesn't. We are dealing with something so our of our relm of understanding it's like a newborn let loose in the world.

right here is a perfect example of people making shit up and passing it off as existential truth.

[Avante]

To think that a master designer did all that but never shows himself to us.

what an asshole he is.



You just said you don't know him. Make up your mind.

Dude, are you really that dense?

I wasn't talking about me...OBVIOUSLY!!!!!!!!

How do you make it out there in that big old world?

[Blake]

You probably haven't read it right and you are misunderstanding it. It is the apposite of immoral, but if you let it; it could guide you to do terrible things which will cause you to go to hell. It's your choice how you want to use it. I know it freaks some people out when you speak to them about God and the complexity of life and the universe. It's because those people are scared. It's like a dog suddenly becoming smarter and learning about its existence and it's place in the universe. About God, about how cruel Humans really are,etc. He will probably be sad and depressed and ask why??? He would rather be back to being an ordinary dog. It's like the more you about the complexities of life, the more pain you will feel and the more you will be held accountable. I have finally accepted that there is. That's why I'm not really afraid of dying or anything like that anymore. Albert Einstein refused to have an operation to save his life and just let, "nature have it's way with me". Just like like Bill Nye has. But that doesn't mean we can't explore this reality.

You clearly haven't read the bible, specifically the book of Leviticus.

[Blake]

Dude, are you really that dense?

I wasn't talking about me...OBVIOUSLY!!!!!!!!

How do you make it out there in that big old world?

Nothing is obvious about you other than you act like a diva, princess.

I've asked you twice specifically what you yourself believe. If you are being sarcastic, use blue ink next time. Otherwise, what you say goes.

[Proxy]

Right there is where everyone makes the big mistake. You being the perfect example. We are finally confronted with someting totally illogical. It's not to be ruled by our limitations it goes far beyond what we can comprehend. We need it to fit inside our perimeters and it simply can't that's why so many struggle with it, they are used to everything having some logic attached to it, this doesn't. We are dealing with something so our of our relm of understanding it's like a newborn let loose in the world.

You imagine something that benefits your psyche. If you're searching your imagination for the origins of the universe, and you come up with something that makes you feel happy, you're most likely wrong.

Re-read what you just posted to me. You are the kind of person that is terrified of reality.

[Avante]

right here is a perfect example of people making shit up and passing it off as existential truth.

Blake

We have to talk, dude do you work at being a dummy? Who in the fuck knows jack shit about what's really going on.....NOBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...there is no such thing as a truth. So we all have our own opinions backed up with absolutely.....zero!!!!!!

You actually saw that as me trying to pass that off as the existential truth? Are you really that fucking stupid? I 'll go really slow idiot....

That was an opinion based on....zero.

Ok man I need a break, you are too fucking moronic to bother with.

[Avante]

You imagine something that benefits your psyche. If you're searching your imagination for the origins of the universe, and you come up with something that makes you feel happy, you're most likely wrong.

Re-read what you just posted to me. You are the kind of person that is terrified of reality.

Why pretend like you have any clue at all about how all this came about? Who have no idea at all just like me and everyone else. I like to think "something" is responsible for all this, you prefer to think that no it wasn't like that, neither of us knows a damn thing so it's just what we prefer to believe, you disagree?

[Proxy]

Why pretend like you have any clue at all about how all this came about? Who have no idea at all just like me and everyone else. I like to think "something" is responsible for all this, you prefer to think that no it wasn't like that, neither of us knows a damn thing so it's just what we prefer to believe, you disagree?

I don't know how it came about. I have a clue on how it didn't come about.

[Avante]

I don't know how it came about. I have a clue on how it didn't come about.

No you don't know anything at all about it, nobody does. So we just go with what we need to make us feel better about the situation, actually some never think about it at all, couln't care less.

To try and force your opinion which is based on...0...on somebody else who also has an opinion also based on....0....is ridiculous. It's like you trying to convince me that your favorite color red is far better than my favorite color blue.......good luck!

[AngryMan]

I don't know how it came about. I have a clue on how it didn't come about.

Man, sit yo' non-knowing ass down.

[Blake]

Blake

We have to talk, dude do you work at being a dummy? Who in the fuck knows jack shit about what's really going on.....NOBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...there is no such thing as a truth. So we all have our own opinions backed up with absolutely.....zero!!!!!!

You actually saw that as me trying to pass that off as the existential truth? Are you really that fucking stupid? I 'll go really slow idiot....

That was an opinion based on....zero.

Ok man I need a break, you are too fucking moronic to bother with.

You just told someone else that they made a big mistake in their opinion.

Make up your fucking stupid mind, princess.

[Proxy]

No you don't know anything at all about it, nobody does. So we just go with what we need to make us feel better about the situation, actually some never think about it at all, couln't care less.

To try and force your opinion which is based on...0...on somebody else who also has an opinion also based on....0....is ridiculous. It's like you trying to convince me that your favorite color red is far better than my favorite color blue.......good luck!

Science, history, math.... this trifecta of knowledge serves as a 'clue' to the human race in it's search for origins. Through process of elimination by known FACT, we can cross out all the fairy tales man kind has invented to make itself feel better about their lives of which are meaningless outside your social network and that we are mortal. There isn't something out there 'looking out' for you.

[Creepn]

Afterlife is a way of admitting you're scared of your mortality to the point where you'll choose to believe in a fairy tale. You can live life believing nothing is a miracle, or you can live life believing that everything is a miracle.


I understand your point but the reality of it is quite the opposite. People believing in the afterlife actually welcome death. Take for example the extremists blowing themselves up. Christians also die with peace of death. No fear.

[mouse]

To think that a master designer did all that but never shows himself to us.

what an asshole he is.



Like the many men out there that get women pregnant and never have visited their children?

Same principle.

Hey Blake what kind of car you drive? has the designer of the car ever reviled himself to you?

Does that mean you don't think your car had a designer?

[mouse]

if God gave us tuna then why did He put them way out in the middle of the fucking ocean where we could only access them by solid ship construction and sails?

Your asking the wrong person. I never said There was a God and I don't support religion.

I support Alternative design.

[Proxy]

I understand your point but the reality of it is quite the opposite. People believing in the afterlife actually welcome death. Take for example the extremists blowing themselves up. Christians also die with peace of death. No fear.

I don't believe in an afterlife and I'm made unhappy at the thought of dying because the concept of death exists in my mind. It will all end for me then.

Believing in afterlife is another way of coping. They aren't scared of death because they don't accept it's existence or they misinterpret it on purpose. Saying there's an afterlife is believing that we are all immortal.

Consciousness is the brain; no such thing as a soul.

[Proxy]

Like the many men out there that get women pregnant and never have visited their children?

Same principle.

Hey Blake what kind of car you drive? has the designer of the car ever reviled himself to you?

Does that mean you don't think your car had a designer?

DNA

You can research and find the car designer

There is proof

I'm refusing to believe you are for real so that it doesn't depress me.

[mouse]

Consciousness is the brain; no such thing as a soul.


So people who temperately died on the operating tables and were able to tell the doctors in great detail what they saw before they was revived all came from the brain?

You don't have to be religious or believe in God to admit you have a soul.

Unfortunately for you the answer will come at death.

[mouse]

DNA

.

What good is DNA without anyone to compare it too? How do you explain to your 10 year old son he has a father if you can't prove it?


And if your 10 year old son never sees his father should he assume he evolve from a goat?

And how do you feel about school text books teaching him that and calling it "Science"

[redzero]

So people who temperately died on the operating tables and were able to tell the doctors in great detail what they saw before they was revived all came from the brain?

And you know these people are correct how?


You don't have to be religious or believe in God to admit you have a soul.

No, but one would be just as wrong.

[Creepn]

I don't believe in an afterlife and I'm made unhappy at the thought of dying because the concept of death exists in my mind. It will all end for me then.

Believing in afterlife is another way of coping. They aren't scared of death because they don't accept it's existence or they misinterpret it on purpose. Saying there's an afterlife is believing that we are all immortal.

Consciousness is the brain; no such thing as a soul.

It's no t just a coping method that lead them to think this way. People have experiences that may lead them to such immortal claims as well. This whole universe is full of mysteries and is not so black and white as you think.

[Proxy]

It's no t just a coping method that lead them to think this way. People have experiences that may lead them to such immortal claims as well. This whole universe is full of mysteries and is not so black and white as you think.

Humans look for patterns. Superstition is a way of making the incomprehensible comprehensible.

I don't think anything is black and white. Everything is very grey.

[Blake]

Your asking the wrong person. I never said There was a God and I don't support religion.

I support Alternative design.

So if there is no god, who/what designed the designer of this universe in your theory

[xellos88330]

So if there is no god, who/what designed the designer of this universe in your theory

My opinion is that God is actually Energy. You cannot have anything without energy, including intelligent thought. Technically that makes both sides correct.

[leemajors]

So people who temperately died on the operating tables and were able to tell the doctors in great detail what they saw before they was revived all came from the brain?

You don't have to be religious or believe in God to admit you have a soul.

Unfortunately for you the answer will come at death.

they were tripping on DMT, mope.

[Blake]

My opinion is that God is actually Energy. You cannot have anything without energy, including intelligent thought. Technically that makes both sides correct.

You can have random energy without a driving intelligence, so no it doesn't.

[mouse]

And you know these people are correct how?




The patient that described to doctors what she saw was blind since birth.

The patient reported subsequently that she was awakened out of anesthesia by the sound of the pneumatic saw, and then felt herself pulled out of the top of her head and viewed the operating room from above the neurosurgeon's shoulder. She accurately described the 20 doctors, nurses, and technicians in the room, 17 of whom she had never met,

[Creepn]

Humans look for patterns. Superstition is a way of making the incomprehensible comprehensible.

I don't think anything is black and white. Everything is very grey.

Sadly that will be your answer for any kind of experience even if it slapped you in the face. I've had two physical experiences that happened in spiritual settings. I've tried to recreate it outside of a spiritual setting and it never happened.I'm sure you'll just say it's just my brain looking for patterns when I was initially not expecting anything to happen at all.

I'm only telling you this because I used to think like you. I've thought, 'it's gonna suck if nothing happens after you die because you will cease to exist forever. Double digit years compared to billions and billions of years." Not a good state of mind to be in.

[DMC]

Ok have fun pondering, fighting, and arguing over something you'll never have all the facts and answers to. Good luck on that Nobel prize Mr. Shepherd.

We know beyond a reasonable doubt that evolution exists. The rational mind will conclude that God doesn't exist. Only the zealot will continue to find ways to shove their god into the works as some nebulous concept that changes as soon as we learn something new.

[DMC]

tbh New Zealand is best for that. there's more sheep than people there.
wow

[DMC]

Are you stupid enought to think anyone gives a fuck if you care what they believe? Aren't you a dumbass atheist? So here you are in world totally surrounded by all kinds of religious beliefs and there you are ..."you can't fool me"...what a fucking retard. Pull your head out of ass moron and figure it the fuck out.

DMC...but science says that....

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

Dude, in 1936 right after Jeese Owens won the Olympic 100m in 10.2, science was asked just how fast could a human run, our limits. They put their scientific mumbo jumbo together and game up with..9.9 seconds. TCU alone has had six guys run that fast or faster. Ever think just maybe there are some thing science simply can't handle? Of course not you're a fucking idiot!
You didn't graduate HS. I am not surprised you don't understand science.

[mouse]

So if there is no god, who/what designed the designer of this universe in your theory

That is a question I ask myself daily. I try and use process of elimination.

I eliminated Darwin's theory the first day.

Subjects like these you must have an open mind and some common sense with a tad of intelligence. Unfortunate that is rarely found in this forum.


Scientist want you to believe this complex organism evolved from a warm pool of liquid

Then there are complex ecosystems which do not seem to have been accidental.


The Flagellum's Rotary Engine


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/IDmotor.jpg

The engine itself [above] is about 1/100,000th of an inch wide -- far smaller than can be seen by the human eye.

Flagellum are tiny bacteria -- one cell -- that have a tail and use it to move through a liquid. Upon close examination of the tail, biologists noticed that the tail is actually rotated like an axle and powered by a biological "rotary motor" made of 15 distinct parts.
The tiny flagellum gets together with a normally immobile protozoa inside the intestines of a termite. It attaches itself to the protozoa and moves it around so the wood can be digested and secreted as "food" for the termites. Without this arrangement between three unique organisms, the termite could not exist. How did this arrangement evolve? What resisted "survival of the fittest" and caused competing organisms to cooperate?

For the motor to work and have any benefit to the flagellum, all 15 parts must function perfectly. If one part fails, the motor will not turn. So the question is then passed back to the Evolutionists. "How did this motor evolve?" There is no possibility for gradual trial and error in developing the motor. It had to have all 15 parts already assembled. It couldn't be just a beneficial mutation. It must have been planned... designed.

[redzero]

:lol mouse still thinks it takes intelligence to copy/paste from creationist websites.

[mouse]

:lol mouse still thinks it takes intelligence to copy/paste from creationist websites.

What do you care where I get pictures or quotes from?

Stop whining about shit that has nothing to do with the subject.

Either add to the discussions or just read your low mental capability to understand these matters is causing you to become a nuisance.

[Creepn]

We know beyond a reasonable doubt that evolution exists. The rational mind will conclude that God doesn't exist. Only the zealot will continue to find ways to shove their god into the works as some nebulous concept that changes as soon as we learn something new.

Sorry, don't see how evolution cancels out God. You can't prove that God doesn't exist.

Seriously, where did the homo sapiens come from anyway? Let's see, we got the homo erectus that were responsible for spreading throughout the globe. Then all of the sudden homo sapiens were living amognst them and even trading with them. Did the dumb hairy homo erectus start popping out less hairy creatures with a bigger brain capacity and slimmer bone structure? I honesty don't know.

[redzero]

I care because you claim to be intelligent, then turn around and plagiarize other people's arguments (ones that have been debunked anyway).

[DMC]

Sorry, don't see how evolution cancels out God. You can't prove that God doesn't exist.

Bible: In the beginning blah blah blah God created man from dust.

Evolution: Man is evolved from lower species.

No where does the "word of God" say "God evolved man from a microbial single cell life form".

Ergo every "evidence" you have for God's existence is rendered less reliable than The Hobbit and much less interesting.

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof" -Hitchens


Seriously, where did the homo sapiens come from anyway? Let's see, we got the homo erectus that were responsible for spreading throughout the globe. Then all of the sudden homo sapiens were living amognst them and even trading with them. Did the dumb hairy homo erectus start popping out less hairy creatures with a bigger brain capacity and slimmer bone structure? I honesty don't know.No, an invisible sky dad poofed them into existence.

Like I said, you are uneducated when it comes to the theory of evolution but you feel smug enough in your ignorance to scoff at it and dismiss it as "no one knows".

[DMC]

:lol mouse still thinks it takes intelligence to copy/paste from creationist websites.
It's an MIT thing.

[Proxy]

Sadly that will be your answer for any kind of experience even if it slapped you in the face. I've had two physical experiences that happened in spiritual settings. I've tried to recreate it outside of a spiritual setting and it never happened.I'm sure you'll just say it's just my brain looking for patterns when I was initially not expecting anything to happen at all.

I'm only telling you this because I used to think like you. I've thought, 'it's gonna suck if nothing happens after you die because you will cease to exist forever. Double digit years compared to billions and billions of years." Not a good state of mind to be in.

I very much appreciate 'experiences.' I feel like everything is a miracle. I'm very spiritual in many ways... but I'm not about to deter the discussion unless you want me to give you my viewpoints on that...

...we're arguing science here. We're debating and pondering our existence and it just doesn't make sense that people want to hypothesize in such a selfish way. By selfish, I mean that someone is ready to think that the universe is synchronized with human ambition. It isn't. We're a product of the model.

[Proxy]

That is a question I ask myself daily. I try and use process of elimination.

I eliminated Darwin's theory the first day.

Subjects like these you must have an open mind and some common sense with a tad of intelligence. Unfortunate that is rarely found in this forum.


Scientist want you to believe this complex organism evolved from a warm pool of liquid

Then there are complex ecosystems which do not seem to have been accidental.


The Flagellum's Rotary Engine


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/IDmotor.jpg

The engine itself [above] is about 1/100,000th of an inch wide -- far smaller than can be seen by the human eye.

Flagellum are tiny bacteria -- one cell -- that have a tail and use it to move through a liquid. Upon close examination of the tail, biologists noticed that the tail is actually rotated like an axle and powered by a biological "rotary motor" made of 15 distinct parts.
The tiny flagellum gets together with a normally immobile protozoa inside the intestines of a termite. It attaches itself to the protozoa and moves it around so the wood can be digested and secreted as "food" for the termites. Without this arrangement between three unique organisms, the termite could not exist. How did this arrangement evolve? What resisted "survival of the fittest" and caused competing organisms to cooperate?

For the motor to work and have any benefit to the flagellum, all 15 parts must function perfectly. If one part fails, the motor will not turn. So the question is then passed back to the Evolutionists. "How did this motor evolve?" There is no possibility for gradual trial and error in developing the motor. It had to have all 15 parts already assembled. It couldn't be just a beneficial mutation. It must have been planned... designed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_descent

[Creepn]

Bible: In the beginning blah blah blah God created man from dust.

Evolution: Man is evolved from lower species.

No where does the "word of God" say "God evolved man from a microbial single cell life form".

Ergo every "evidence" you have for God's existence is rendered less reliable than The Hobbit and much less interesting.

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof" -Hitchens
No, an invisible sky dad poofed them into existence.

Like I said, you are uneducated when it comes to the theory of evolution but you feel smug enough in your ignorance to scoff at it and dismiss it as "no one knows".

When did I bring up biblical accounts?

I asked you an honest question about homo sapiens but you instead wanted to bash me instead. Way to help educate your fellow man. :tu

Anyway so all you got is more proof but still haven't disproved God. You can present a whole shitload of evidence and still won't be able to disprove God. That's why I'm smug about it.

[redzero]

When did I bring up biblical accounts?

I asked you an honest question about homo sapiens but you instead wanted to bash me instead. Way to help educate your fellow man. :tu

Anyway so all you got is more proof but still haven't disproved God. You can present a whole shitload of evidence and still won't be able to disprove God. That's why I'm smug about it.

So, you'd believe anything so long as it can't be disproven?

[mouse]

I care because you claim to be intelligent, then turn around and plagiarize other people's arguments (ones that have been debunked anyway).

Almost every topic today has been debunked by someone on the www but what makes a debunk final?

People claimed that the Bush haters were making up lies that there were no weapons of mass distruction in Iraq and claimed to debunk the findings as it turns out it was not a lie afterall.

I can debunk your claims to being gay and at the next ST gtg you can grab my crotch in the bathroom at Koris house and prove to me I was wrong by proceeding to give me oral pleasure I will stand corrected.

Just because I post a link of photo doesn't mean I 100% stand behind it I am just showing the poster who asked the question there is evidence out there.


But I don't expect you to comprehend any of this.

[Wild Cobra]

:lol mouse still thinks it takes intelligence to copy/paste from creationist websites.

That's an intelligent design concept.

[Wild Cobra]

Bible: In the beginning blah blah blah God created man from dust.

No, the word used is formed.


Evolution: Man is evolved from lower species.

Intelligent design does not discount evolution. It allows for a helping hand in it.


No where does the "word of God" say "God evolved man from a microbial single cell life form".

Formed is not created, as if by an instantaneous circumstance.


Ergo every "evidence" you have for God's existence is rendered less reliable than The Hobbit and much less interesting.

Nope. I disagree.


"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof" -Hitchens
No, an invisible sky dad poofed them into existence.

Again, the word formed instead of mans re-imaging of the English version.


Like I said, you are uneducated when it comes to the theory of evolution but you feel smug enough in your ignorance to scoff at it and dismiss it as "no one knows".

You are uneducated when it comes to the proper translations of the oldest know Torah.

[redzero]

You are some dumb fucks.

[baseline bum]

I'm not really posting this to argue with mouse since he's a retard, but his 'irreducibly complex' example of that flagellum has been debunked. Here's a great passage from The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins:

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The flagellar motor of bacteria is a prodigy of nature. It drives the only known example, outside human technology, of a freely rotating axle. Wheels for big animals would, I suspect, be genuine examples of irreducible complexity, and this is probably why they don't exist. How would the nerves and blood vessels get across the bearing?* The flagellum is a thread-like propeller, with which the bacterium burrows its way through the water. I say 'burrows' rather than 'swims' because, on the bacterial scale of existence, a liquid such as water would not feel as a liquid feels to us. It would feel more like treacle, or jelly, or even sand, and the bacterium would seem to burrow or screw its way through the water rather than swim. Unlike the so-called flagellum of larger organisms like protozoans, the bacterial flagellum doesn't just wave about like a whip, or row like an oar. It has a true, freely rotating axle which turns continuously inside a bearing, driven by a remarkable little molecular motor. At the molecular level, the motor uses essentially the same principle as muscle, but in free rotation rather than in intermittent contraction.! It has been happily described as a tiny outboard motor (although by engineering standards - and unusually for a biological mechanism - it is a spectacularly inefficient one).

Without a word of justification, explanation or amplification, Behe simply proclaims the bacterial flagellar motor to be irreducibly complex. Since he offers no argument in favour of his assertion, we may begin by suspecting a failure of his imagination.

He further alleges that specialist biological literature has ignored the problem. The falsehood of this allegation was massively and (to Behe) embarrassingly documented in the court of Judge John E. Jones in Pennsylvania in 2005, where Behe was testifying as an expert witness on behalf of a group of creationists who had tried to impose 'intelligent design' creationism on the science curriculum of a local public school - a move of 'breathtaking inanity', to quote Judge Jones (phrase and man surely destined for lasting fame). This wasn't the only embarrassment Behe suffered at the hearing, as we shall see.

The key to demonstrating irreducible complexity is to show that none of the parts could have been useful on its own. They all needed to be in place before any of them could do any good (Behe's favourite analogy is a mousetrap). In fact, molecular biologists have no difficulty in finding parts functioning outside the whole, both for the flagellar motor and for Behe's other alleged examples of irreducible complexity. The point is well put by Kenneth Miller of Brown University, for my money the most persuasive nemesis of 'intelligent design', not least because he is a devout Christian. I frequently recommend Miller's book, Finding Darwin's God, to religious people who write to me having been bamboozled by Behe.

In the case of the bacterial rotary engine, Miller calls our attention to a mechanism called the Type Three Secretory System or TTSS.63 The TTSS is not used for rotatory movement. It is one of several systems used by parasitic bacteria for pumping toxic substances through their cell walls to poison their host organism. On our human scale, we might think of pouring or squirting a liquid through a hole; but, once again, on the bacterial scale things look different. Each molecule of secreted substance is a large protein with a definite, three-dimensional structure on the same scale as the TTSS's own: more like a solid sculpture than a liquid. Each molecule is individually propelled through a carefully shaped mechanism, like an automated slot machine dispensing, say, toys or bottles, rather than a simple hole through which a substance might 'flow'. The goods-dispenser itself is made of a rather small number of protein molecules, each one comparable in size and complexity to the molecules being dispensed through it. Interestingly, these bacterial slot machines are often similar across bacteria that are not closely related. The genes for making them have probably been 'copied and pasted' from other bacteria: something that bacteria are remarkably adept at doing, and a fascinating topic in its own right, but I must press on.

The protein molecules that form the structure of the TTSS are very similar to components of the flagellar motor. To the evolutionist it is clear that TTSS components were commandeered for a new, but not wholly unrelated, function when the flagellar motor evolved. Given that the TTSS is tugging molecules through itself, it is not surprising that it uses a rudimentary version of the principle used by the flagellar motor, which tugs the molecules of the axle round and round. Evidently, crucial components of the flagellar motor were already in place and working before the flagellar motor evolved. Commandeering existing mechanisms is an obvious way in which an apparently irreducibly complex piece of apparatus could climb Mount Improbable.

[Wild Cobra]

There is still a missing link, or several, to the TTSS development.

Looks like some type of miracle in evolution must have happened.

[baseline bum]

LOL, filling that gap opened up two more!

[mouse]

:lol mouse still thinks it takes intelligence to copy/paste from creationist websites.

Baseline bum just did a cut n paste let's see you attack him also.

If not you just proved your bias and full of shit.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm not a fan of Mouse, I disagree with his conspiracy theories and creationism like he does, but intelligent design is the best possibility from what we know. It doesn't need to be a spiritual all knowing god, but it could have been a more advance race than we are.

[redzero]

Intelligent Design is not the best answer. It is not an answer at all.

"We don't know what happened, so X did it."

[baseline bum]

Question for mouse: which conspiracy theory is stronger, creationism or controlled implosion of the WTC?

[Creepn]

So, you'd believe anything so long as it can't be disproven?

Not anything because a whole lot of things can be disproven. But God? Not possible. No matter how much evidence you have. I could say this whole universe is proof of his existence, evolution included. What do you expect though? A carving on a mountain face that says "God made this. -100,000,000,000"? That's why I say these topics are just a waste of your energy because no one has the definitive answer.

Besides, what's the alternative? Believing you are nothing. Take the positive route if anything. It's better for you.

[mouse]

I'm not really posting this to argue with mouse since he's a retard,



Your weak mind just can't post an opinion you feel the need to insult people.

Another frustrated Athiest with a short fuse.

[baseline bum]

You didn't answer my question son.

[redzero]

Not anything because a whole lot of things can be disproven. But God? Not possible. No matter how much evidence you have. I could say this whole universe is proof of his existence, evolution included. What do you expect though? A carving on a mountain face that says "God made this. -100,000,000,000"? That's why I say these topics are just a waste of your energy because no one has the definitive answer.

Besides, what's the alternative? Believing you are nothing. Take the positive route if anything. It's better for you.


Why do you need to believe in fairy tales for validation? That's kind of sad.

And do you believe in the tooth fairy? It can't be disproven.

[mouse]

Question for mouse: which conspiracy theory is stronger, creationism or controlled implosion of the WTC?

That is a loaded question Creationism is a theory / religion WTC is a fact the video evidence shows it to be.

[baseline bum]

So you're saying the WTC conspiracy theory is more credible.

[Creepn]

Why do you need to believe in fairy tales for validation? That's kind of sad.

And do you believe in the tooth fairy? It can't be disproven.

I don't need to believe in "fairy tales". I believe in my experiences.

Tooth fairy? Come on. Are you going to ask me if I believe in toys coming alive like in Toy Story? The fuckers just seem to know when were coming ahead of time. Can't ever seem to catch them!

[Blake]

Are you stupid enought to think anyone gives a fuck if you care what they believe? Aren't you a dumbass atheist? So here you are in world totally surrounded by all kinds of religious beliefs and there you are ..."you can't fool me"...what a fucking retard. Pull your head out of ass moron and figure it the fuck out.

DMC...but science says that....

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

Dude, in 1936 right after Jeese Owens won the Olympic 100m in 10.2, science was asked just how fast could a human run, our limits. They put their scientific mumbo jumbo together and game up with..9.9 seconds. TCU alone has had six guys run that fast or faster. Ever think just maybe there are some thing science simply can't handle? Of course not you're a fucking idiot!

lol ”science” was asked.....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao "intelligent design"

The only reason people came up with "intelligent design" was because it at least had a prayer in court of being taught in public schools and sounded less retarded than creationism.

[baseline bum]

:lmao "intelligent design"

The only reason people came up with "intelligent design" was because it at least had a prayer in court of being taught in public schools and sounded less retarded than creationism.

It was this retarded book that was originally written as a creationist text that created the term intelligent design. It was substituted token for token for 'creationism' from the earlier versions since creationism was no longer allowed to be taught in public schools.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/aa/Pandas_and_ppl.jpg/200px-Pandas_and_ppl.jpg

That word for word substitution is one of the main reasons the ID garbage got shredded in court in Dover, PA.

[redzero]

I don't need to believe in "fairy tales". I believe in my experiences.

Apparently, you do, because you think one needs to in order for their life to have meaning.


Tooth fairy? Come on. Are you going to ask me if I believe in toys coming alive like in Toy Story? The fuckers just seem to know when were coming ahead of time. Can't ever seem to catch them!

You can't prove that they don't come alive when nobody is watching.

See how that works?

[mouse]

So you're saying the WTC conspiracy theory is more credible.

No

WTC7 is still being exzamined and since I don't have access to any of the steel beams or debri I am goiing to wait for testing to be completed.

[Proxy]

That is a loaded question Creationism is a theory / religion WTC is a fact the video evidence shows it to be.

Do you know the meaning of 'theory' in scientific terms?

[Creepn]

Apparently, you do, because you think one needs to in order for their life to have meaning.



You can't prove that they don't come alive when nobody is watching.

See how that works?

I didn't say that. I said the alternative was thinking you'll cease to exist when you die.

I can prove that toys are just plastic and doesn't have life. Simple. Definitive.

[mouse]

It was this retarded book that was originally written as a creationist text that created the term intelligent design. It was substituted token for token for 'creationism' from the earlier versions since creationism was no longer allowed to be taught in public schools.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/aa/Pandas_and_ppl.jpg/200px-Pandas_and_ppl.jpg

That word for word substitution is one of the main reasons the ID garbage got shredded in court in Dover, PA.

How is that book any different than this book?

http://witshadows.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/charles-darwin-the-origin-of-species.jpg

[redzero]

I didn't say that. I said the alternative was thinking you'll cease to exist when you die.

You claimed that the alternative to believing in magic sky daddy was "believing that you're nothing". That's really sad if that's your only way of seeing meaning in life.


I can prove that toys are just plastic and doesn't have life. Simple. Definitive.

You can't prove that toys aren't magic and can come to life. You also can't disprove that the tooth fairy exists. Or Zeus, Odin, Ra, etc. Why don't you believe in them?

[mouse]

Do you know the meaning of 'theory' in scientific terms?


It's a cute way of saying we don't have all the facts.

[Wild Cobra]

Intelligent Design is not the best answer. It is not an answer at all.

"We don't know what happened, so X did it."
Neither does evolution.

You don't get it, do you. ID does not leave out evolution. It does not say evolution doesn't happen. It takes evolution as a tool, and builds changes faster than nature can alone.

[redzero]

"Neither does evolution" is not a proper response to anything you quoted.

[mouse]

I'm not a fan of Mouse, I disagree with his conspiracy theories and creationism like he does, but intelligent design is the best possibility from what we know. It doesn't need to be a spiritual all knowing god, but it could have been a more advance race than we are.


Now you know why I created "alternative" design.

[Creepn]

You claimed that the alternative to believing in magic sky daddy was "believing that you're nothing". That's really sad if that's your only way of seeing meaning in life.



You can't prove that toys aren't magic and can come to life. You also can't disprove that the tooth fairy exists. Or Zeus, Odin, Ra, etc. Why don't you believe in them?

That is the alternative. Just a spec that was. If I'm wrong , give me your other alternatives if you don't believe death is not the end.

So why don't you believe in the toothfairy then? Or if toys are indeed magic nd can come to life?

[Vici]

There is still a missing link, or several, to the TTSS development.

Looks like some type of miracle in evolution must have happened.

Where is the missing link? I hear this all the time, where? At which stage? The link is pretty fucking straight forward from homo erectus to homo sapien.

[redzero]

That is the alternative. Just a spec that was. If I'm wrong , give me your other alternatives if you don't believe death is not the end.

You are basically saying that your life is meaningless without a fairy tale. You are saying that you cannot give your own life a sense of purpose. You need other people to tell you what to live for.

Again, that's kind of sad.


So why don't you believe in the toothfairy then? Or if toys are indeed magic nd can come to life?

I'm not retarded, so I won't believe in something "because it can't be disproven." Lots of things can't be disproven. That's never a reason for believing in something.

[Creepn]

You are basically saying that your life is meaningless without a fairy tale. You are saying that you cannot give your own life a sense of purpose. You need other people to tell you what to live for.

Again, that's kind of sad.



I'm not retarded, so I won't believe in something "because it can't be disproven." Lots of things can't be disproven. That's never a reason for believing in something.

Again that's not what I'm saying. You can have a very meaningful life but in the end, you believe you'll cease to exist. Become nothing. That's you.

So you won't believe it even if you can't prove or disprove either. It's your choice. Why do you bash people believing the other direction?

[redzero]

Again that's not what I'm saying. You can have a very meaningful life but in the end, you believe you'll cease to exist. Become nothing. That's you.

I didn't choose what happens when people die. If you don't like real life and would rather escape into your fantasies, oh well. Tough.


So you won't believe it even if you can't prove or disprove either. It's your choice. Why do you bash people believing the other direction?

I don't like your choice because it is extremely irrational. I'm not going to stop you from believing what you do, but don't come around here with your "you can't prove God doesn't exist" excuse and expect not to be laughed at.

[Bill_Brasky]

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope_calls_for_protection_of_environment_says_crea tionevolution_debate_is_absurdity/

:lmao even the Pope disagrees with mouse

[Creepn]

I didn't choose what happens when people die. If you don't like real life and would rather escape into your fantasies, oh well. Tough.



I don't like your choice because it is extremely irrational. I'm not going to stop you from believing what you do, but don't come around here with your "you can't prove God doesn't exist" excuse and expect not to be laughed at.

Ok so you're saying you do believe something happens after death? Pick one already. What are the alternatives? You can believe people's experiences are fantasies. That's on you.

So things being beyond our understanding means to dismiss it as retarded. Gotcha. Very meaningful from you.

[redzero]

Ok so you're saying you do believe something happens after death? Pick one already. What are the alternatives? You can believe people's experiences are fantasies. That's on you.

I believe that people die and cease to exist. I have been shown no evidence to the contrary.


So things being beyond our understanding means to dismiss it as retarded. Gotcha. Very meaningful from you.

No, don't go with that bullshit. I am against people resorting to magic when they get to something they can't answer instead of just saying, "I don't know."

[mouse]

I believe that people die and cease to exist.."

Feel free to demonstrate to us.

[Creepn]

I believe that people die and cease to exist. I have been shown no evidence to the contrary.



No, don't go with that bullshit. I am against people resorting to magic when they get to something they can't answer instead of just saying, "I don't know."

So in short, you become nothing. No evidence? There's plenty of evidence to the contrary. Plenty. You just choose to dismiss it as irrational because you don't understand it.

This whole evolution thing seems like magic. Big ass dinosaurs sounds like magic no? A single cell to an intelligent being. Crazy shit.

[redzero]

So in short, you become nothing. No evidence? There's plenty of evidence to the contrary. Plenty. You just choose to dismiss it as irrational because you don't understand it.

Link? I would like to see pics, videos, peer-reviewed research, etc. Show me all the evidence that there is life beyond death. Show me videos of the afterlife.

Don't give me any stories. Anybody can make a story.


This whole evolution thing seems like magic. Big ass dinosaurs sounds like magic no? A single cell to an intelligent being. Crazy shit.

No.

[Wild Cobra]

Where is the missing link? I hear this all the time, where? At which stage? The link is pretty fucking straight forward from homo erectus to homo sapien.
I'm talking about what developed to TTSS. Did it just magically come from nothing?

[Blake]

That's why I say these topics are just a waste of your energy because no one has the definitive answer.

The topic of this thread is creationism, which religious nuts try to shove into the public schools.

[Wild Cobra]

:lmao "intelligent design"

The only reason people came up with "intelligent design" was because it at least had a prayer in court of being taught in public schools and sounded less retarded than creationism.
Do you also call our current ability to manipulate DNA and create different forms, creationism?

[Wild Cobra]

The topic of this thread is creationism, which religious nuts try to shove into the public schools.
Sure there are the nits that try to force it into the schools. I disagree with allowing that to happen. What about understanding other peoples culture, and accept that most religious people are just appalled that the schools disallow their belief?

[Creepn]

Link? I would like to see pics, videos, peer-reviewed research, etc. Show me all the evidence that there is life beyond death. Show me videos of the afterlife.

Don't give me any stories. Anybody can make a story.



No.

Go to a haunted house or something. That should set you straight. Plenty of video documentation of said things.

[mouse]

The topic of this thread is creationism, which religious nuts try to shove into the public schools.

Unlike what atheist have been shoving in the schools for decades.

Why shouldn't the students hear from both sides?

[Creepn]

The topic of this thread is creationism, which religious nuts try to shove into the public schools.

Sorry Blake! Threads get derailed sometimes. You know how that goes.

[baseline bum]

Unlike what atheist have been shoving in the schools for decades.

Why shouldn't the students hear from both sides?

Because there's nothing scientific about religious dogma.

[Blake]

Unlike what atheist have been shoving in the schools for decades.

Why shouldn't the students hear from both sides?

Because mythology isn't a science.

[DMC]

No, the word used is formed.

So God is the former. The former god. Here I was thinking "creator" for some odd reason.


Intelligent design does not discount evolution. It allows for a helping hand in it.
I haven't read the term "intelligent design" in the Bible. It's completely fabricated as forced modification to creationism from Genesis that simply does not interface well.


Formed is not created, as if by an instantaneous circumstance.
Rev. 4:11 (http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Rev.%204.11) says, "You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."

27 (http://bible.cc/genesis/1-27.htm)So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Are you trying to assert that the god of the bible isn't considered, by Christians, to be the creator of man? Are you trying to assert that the Bible doesn't say God created man in his own image?


Nope. I disagree.
What's the point of saying that without expounding?


Again, the word formed instead of mans re-imaging of the English version.
In Genesis 1:27 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=1&v=27#27) we are told that God created man. The verb to create is the Hebrew bara. In Genesis 2:7 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=2&v=7#7) the Bible says God formed man (Hebrew asah). Since both of these verses speak of God creating man, we find that man was both created and formed.


You are uneducated when it comes to the proper translations of the oldest know Torah.
Right and you speak fluent Hebrew.

:lol theistic evolution

In your stance there is no need for god. Occam's razor therefore eliminates the concept out of necessity. All you are doing is saying "god did it" to anything discovered as fact, and though the Jews by and large rejected evolution as heresy (rabbis who obviously also didn't understand the Torah as well as you), suddenly it's now become compatible through mental gymnastics and word wrangling. Keep holding on to that dogma, despite the speed of the boat of science that's dragging you through life.

[Blake]

You are uneducated when it comes to the proper translations of the oldest know Torah.

Proper translations do nothing to validate creation.

you calling out someone else does nothing to validate you are educated in ancient Hebrew history.

[DMC]

Do you also call our current ability to manipulate DNA and create different forms, creationism?

You've reduced God to just an advanced scientist.

[redzero]

Go to a haunted house or something. That should set you straight. Plenty of video documentation of said things.

So you have no evidence? Thought so.

[Blake]

It doesn't need to be a spiritual all knowing god, but it could have been a more advance race than we are.

Who created the more advance race?

[DMC]

Who created the more advance race?

Hitler



He's just moving the problem back one step. It's common for people to use that tactic as it appears to buy them time to regroup. He's already lost though because he's abandoned the need for a god by saying an advanced race could have done it, that it doesn't need to be a personal god. No need for a god to get to where we are means no god.

[mouse]

Because there's nothing scientific about religious dogma.

What's so Scientific about Romeo and Juliet?

[Wild Cobra]

Sorry Blake! Threads get derailed sometimes. You know how that goes.
Yes it does.

Just what are we considering "creationism?" If it's the extreme idea that God manipulated the universe in 6 days as we know them, and that the genealogy of mankind starts with the maned named Adam in the Bible, then I say hell no. That is absolutely silly.

The Torah doesn't say this at all. This is the re imaging of the Bible to fit King Jame's need to control mankind.