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flipspursfan
08-29-2012, 09:31 PM
It's been established that Miami Heat point guard Mario Chalmers is a pretty confident dude. Even though he plays alongside regular-season and NBA Finals MVP LeBron James and seven-time All-NBA selection Dwyane Wade, the former Kansas star seems to think of himself as the best player on the court, which is both why his Heat teammates always seem to be yelling at him and why he never seems unwilling to step into big shots at big moments in games featuring much bigger names than his own. Apparently, that self-assurance extends into the offseason.

During a recent appearance in Queens, N.Y., to visit the winner of Spalding's "Arena to Driveway" promotion — remember, Mario rocks Spaldings on the floor, which his well-heeled Heat teammates find pretty hilarious — Chalmers sat down with Bleacher Report's Peter Emerick for a catch-all summer recap interview that touched on topics like offseason training, Dwight Howard and Steve Nash joining the Los Angeles Lakers, and Miami importing shooters Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis.

Chalmers' most interesting comments, though, came in response to a recent statement reportedly made by one of his most frequent Eastern Conference adversaries:

Peter Emerick: "Rajon Rondo recently said that he's the NBA's top point guard. What are your thoughts on that, and where do you think you rank among all the point guards in the NBA?"

Mario Chalmers: "He's not the best, but he's in the top five. There are a lot of great point guards in the league, Deron Williams, Chris Paul and Steve Nash. There are a lot of great guards in the NBA so for him to say he's the best is a pretty bold statement. I'd say that I [Mario Chalmers] am in the front end of the top 10."

Before we get to the argument side of this coin, let's all pause for a second and applaud Chalmers for handily and stylishly winning this particular Bold Statement Contest.

It's one thing to say that a competitor isn't as good as he thinks he is, even though said competitor is a three-time All-Star who has dished the second-most assists in the NBA over the past four years (Rondo's 2,833 dimes trail only Nash's 3,128), has four straight All-Defensive Team selections to his credit and a owns track record of amazing performances in big games. It is QUITE ANOTHER INDEED to then immediately assert your own claim to nearly-as-lofty status, based solely, it seems, on gall. That's some good gumption, Mario. Nicely done.

That said: The "Who's the best point guard in the NBA?" debate is always fun specifically because you can make arguments for a variety of guys in a variety of contexts — for my money, no point guard controls a game as completely and as brilliantly as CP3 — but reasonable people can differ on that score for a million reasons. If you agree with Rondo's self-assessment and think his defense, big-game performances and laundry list of double-digit assist games bumps him up the list, you can make a sound case for it without anyone trying to toss a straightjacket on you.

The same can't be said, though, for Chalmers' estimation. You're the kind of person who's reading an NBA blog while MLB pennant races are in full swing and college football is less than three days from kicking off — you're pretty well aware that Chalmers isn't a top-10 NBA point guard, let alone "in the front end of the top 10."

You might not know that, among the 67 point guards who played at least 6.1 minutes per game last season, Chalmers ranked 48th in Player Efficiency Rating and 43rd in Estimated Wins Added, according to ESPN.com's John Hollinger, but you know he's not a top-10 NBA point guard, irrespective of which guy tops your list, because you know that Paul, Williams, Rondo, Nash, Derrick Rose, Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook, Ty Lawson, Kyrie Irving and Stephen Curry all exist. Even the biggest Heat fans in the world would have a difficult time arguing with a straight face that they'd rather have Mario Chalmers than any of those 10 players.

You might have an argument if we're talking about 11 through 20, because then you'd have to consider how much Chalmers' often-solid on-ball defense (especially on ball-handlers in the pick and roll, which is how opponents most frequently attacked him last year, according to play-tracking data from Synergy Sports Technology) and 3-point shooting (a career-high 38.8 percent last year, good for 36th in the league and 11th among point guards) mitigate his weak 1.56-1 assist-to-turnover ratio and generally unremarkable play.

But are Chalmers' 3-and-D talents enough to slot him in ahead of/on par with skilled and steady vets like Mike Conley, Kyle Lowry, Andre Miller and Jose Calderon, developing playoff-caliber points like Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague and Goran Dragic, or more purely talented but often erratic players like John Wall, Ricky Rubio and Brandon Jennings? You could argue that he works just fine for what Miami wants him to be, given that coach Erik Spoelstra obviously (and understandably) prefers running offense through James, Wade and Bosh, and just wants someone to D up and hit open jumpers. But from a pure "who'd you rather have?" point of view? It's hard to say he's "in the front of" that second set, either.

A charitable analysis would probably slot Chalmers in as a middle-of-the-pack NBA point guard, capable of being a supplemental scorer and facilitator who occasionally pops for a big night (to wit: 25 on 15 shots in Game 4) but mostly just lives on the margins; a more sober viewing could drop him down into the bottom third of NBA starters. Luckily for Heat fans, Chalmers doesn't believe a word of that; frankly, with the Heat coming off a title and looking poised to play big games late into the spring again this coming season, that unyielding (and largely unfounded) confidence is probably his greatest asset.

Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/mario-chalmers-thinks-front-end-top-10-point-163334875--nba.html;_ylt=Ar3yYbL0MIT_QPXQRtlK2yy8vLYF;_ylu=X3 oDMTN1Ymo5MnVhBG1pdANGRUFUVVJFRCBNZWdhdHJvbiBOQkEE cGtnAzhmOTNhMzA5LWE4NmEtMzM2NS1hZDI2LWM3MzRkODg0Yz hhMwRwb3MDMgRzZWMDbWVnYXRyb24EdmVyA2M3NzU0NjIwLWYy MmMtMTFlMS1iZmZlLWJmYzRlMGQyOTUxMA--;_ylg=X3oDMTFoNjVvZWVyBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANuYmEEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3

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lefty
08-29-2012, 09:49 PM
He is a top 10 PG


When Lebron, Wade and Bosh are on the court

BanditHiro
08-29-2012, 10:48 PM
Chamlers: 1

CP3: 0
D-Rose: 0
Deron Williams: 0
Nash: 0
Westbrook: 0

whitemamba
08-29-2012, 11:13 PM
Chamlers: 1

CP3: 0
D-Rose: 0
Deron Williams: 0
Nash: 0
Westbrook: 0

D Fish 5

DJ Mbenga
08-29-2012, 11:16 PM
stand around and make 3s. his job is certainly the easiest

Chris
08-29-2012, 11:25 PM
Dude hit a lot of clutch shots in the playoffs and carried the Heat through some scoring droughts. He might be in the front end, but he has to prove it this coming season.

FkLA
08-29-2012, 11:56 PM
He might be in the front end, but he has to prove it this coming season.

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mj-laughing.gif

Sean Cagney
08-30-2012, 12:03 AM
Dude hit a lot of clutch shots in the playoffs and carried the Heat through some scoring droughts. He might be in the front end, but he has to prove it this coming season.

No he is not, Horry hit huge shots but he was not on the front end of PF's in the game! Fisher too, but he was NEVER considered a top 10 PG. Come on man.

TE
08-30-2012, 12:11 AM
One thing is certain, Chalmers is one arrogant cocky motherfucker.

AussieFanKurt
08-30-2012, 01:10 AM
Why are professional athletes so irrational?

irishock
08-30-2012, 01:26 AM
Paul
Williams
Rondo
Nash
Rose
Westbrook
Parker
Irving
Fisher
Lowry
Jennings

Stabula
08-30-2012, 01:54 AM
Parker is a better PG than Westbrick.

flipspursfan
08-30-2012, 02:12 AM
I recall a thread (or was that a single post) by DoK saying that his rule of "PG's can't lead teams to championships" was held validated by the 2012 Miami Heat. Mario. Fucking. Chalmers.

Venti Quattro
08-30-2012, 03:59 AM
D Fish 5

:rollin

LkrFan
08-30-2012, 04:21 AM
I like Chalmers, but he is overrating himself. He is a solid PG though.

racm
08-30-2012, 06:33 AM
Top 10, yes... in irrational confidence :lol

Ace
08-30-2012, 08:10 AM
Don't think he's a top 10 but I like the confidence. Rio has always believed he is better than he really is.

racm
08-30-2012, 08:24 AM
Hey, that irrational confidence saved the Heat in Game 4.

8FOR!3
08-30-2012, 08:31 AM
LOL, Raymond Felton could probably step in and play the same role for Miami. Mario Chalmers might not be quite that bad, but he's nowhere near top 10. At best he's an average NBA starting point guard. He could start for some teams, but a lot of teams he'd be the backup.

DUNCANownsKOBE
08-30-2012, 09:31 AM
Parker is a better PG than Westbrick.
:lmao

Guessed you missed the WCF.

lefty
08-30-2012, 10:47 AM
:lmao

Guessed you missed the WCF.
:lol

flipspursfan
08-30-2012, 11:17 AM
:lmao

Guessed you missed the WCF.

:rollin

mavs>spurs
08-30-2012, 11:41 AM
Parker is a better PG than Westbrick.

stabula yourself in the throat with a sharpened dildo you shitcunt. go open up a fertilizer wholeseller with all that bull shit you sellin tbh.

whitemamba
08-30-2012, 11:58 AM
westbrook is a 2 gaurd playing the 1 spot. its dumb when ur PG shoots 33 times..

mavs>spurs
08-30-2012, 12:03 PM
chalmers is at the "front end" of the train tbh taking it in the butt from every other pg behind him tbh

Killakobe81
08-30-2012, 12:38 PM
I like Chalmers, but he is overrating himself. He is a solid PG though.

This. I actually thought he would be a perfect fit for the triangle. Clutch shooter who does not need the ball in his hands a alot, and his handles though not very strong he handles wel enough to initiate in that offense.

He is kinda like a younger quicker Dfish anyway ...

flipspursfan
08-30-2012, 01:10 PM
I find it funny that back in NBA 2k12 for the PSP, this guy was rated 82. That's higher than Ricky Rubio, Jrue Holiday, Lou Williams, and hell even James freakin' Harden.

Wild Cobra Kai
08-30-2012, 09:48 PM
People, including Chalmers, don't realized that with LeBron, Wade, and Bosh on the floor, no one is guarding him.

racm
08-30-2012, 11:48 PM
This. I actually thought he would be a perfect fit for the triangle. Clutch shooter who does not need the ball in his hands a alot, and his handles though not very strong he handles wel enough to initiate in that offense.

He is kinda like a younger quicker Dfish anyway ...


Well, Spi did admit to ripping off the triangle.

TDMVPDPOY
08-31-2012, 12:46 AM
but if u watch heat games, his always the one thats on the end of the big 3 tirade when a play is messed up....

Latarian Milton
08-31-2012, 08:00 PM
at least he's aware of his role on his team and never chucks bullshit shots, for this reason at least he's the better option than chimpbrook imho

Kidd K
09-05-2012, 04:58 PM
Chalmers is not even top 25, much less top 10, or LOL, the "front end of the top 10".


Paul
Williams
Rondo
Nash
Rose
Westbrook
Parker
Irving
Fisher ???
Lowry
Jennings

And you forgot Wall, Curry, Lawson, Evans, Holliday, Teague, Nelson, Rubio, Conley, etc.

And easily arguable: Collison,, Calderon, Walker, Dragic, Stuckey, Felton, Miller, Billups, Harris, Davis, Augustin, Ridinour, Barrea, and maybe even Thomas. . .fuck I would even say Jeremy Lin is better.

So technically Chalmers is arguably not even top 30. He doesn't do shit but gamble for steals and take open threes when his man leave him to help defend a real player. Chalmers is basically the PG version of Steve Novak.

And even if you use the best argument possible, he still isn't arguably in the top 20.