Best Finals MVP since 2003

[irishock]

?

[baseline bum]

:cry Ginobili 2005 :cry

[racm]

Tim 2003 with LeBron 2012 a close second. Dirk 2011 is especially underrated.

[LkrFan]

Pau of 2010? :lmao

[Fabbs]

Tim 2003
LeBron 2012
Tim 2005
Wade 2006 The whistles sucked but he was still very good.
Pierce 2008 then he turned into such a puss.
Billups 2004
Dirk 2011 meh more of a Miami choke then anything. Was excellent tho.
Tony 2007 inc.

Entertainment winners in WWE rigged years:
Pau 2010
Kobe 2009

[racm]

Eh, Dirk WAS the Mavs offense in the same way Tim was the Spurs offense in 2003.

And getting to the Finals was harder for them than the Finals themselves. LeBron forgot he was the best player on the Heat in that series.

[Latarian Milton]

bron/wade both my nigs but me gotta be honest, 2011 dirk was the true god and was just unstoppable. their championship might be a fluke but its no doubt he was the best player overall of the series, dude deserves to have a ring before he retires imho

[Fabbs]

perhaps Dirk was the Mavs offense in the same way Tim was in 2003, but defense?

No comparison. Timmy Duncs getting it done on both ends of the court.

[racm]

perhaps Dirk was the Mavs offense in the same way Tim was in 2003, but defense?

No comparison. Timmy Duncs getting it done on both ends of the court.

Of course. Combine Dirk and Chandler and you get 2003 TD in terms of two-way impact.

[ElNono]

Don't understand the hate on Kobe, tbh

[racm]

Don't understand the hate on Kobe, tbh

Totally deserved the 2009 FMVP, tbh. 40/8/8 in Game 1. :toast

[Latarian Milton]

perhaps Dirk was the Mavs offense in the same way Tim was in 2003, but defense?

No comparison. Timmy Duncs getting it done on both ends of the court.

at least tim got a HOF center to play alongside in 03, Dirk got nothing but dipshits around him and still managed to do the upset almost single handedly imho. although its true that he played like shit in the last game, and they would've hardly won it w/o role players performing (JET, JJB, Findog etc...), they'd have never gone there in the first place but for dirk's performances in previous games and previous rounds tbh

[lakerhaterade]

duncan 03, dirk 11, and lebron 12, in that order.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Dirk

[racm]

at least tim got a HOF center to play alongside in 03, Dirk got nothing but dipshits around him and still managed to do the upset almost single handedly imho. although its true that he played like shit in the last game, and they would've hardly won it w/o role players performing (JET, JJB, Findog etc...), they'd have never gone there in the first place but for dirk's performances in previous games and previous rounds tbh

Findog? He was retired by then (surely you mean Marion/Stevenson)?

[Latarian Milton]

^ brian cardinal (Findog) not retired, he still on mavs roster imho

[lakerhaterade]

tbh I might move dirk 11 to #1 solely due to the competition in da nba finals...

[lefty]

Since Kobe is as great as Laker fan says he is, then Billups

He absolutely destroyed Kobie in 2004

[namlook]

Entertainment winners in WWE rigged years:
Pau 2010
Kobe 2009

lol Every time the Lakers win its rigged and when other teams win it's not.

Why state the obvious? :lmao

[FkLA]

If were talking strictly Finals performance, theres no reason why Dirk and his 40 FG% should be anywhere near the top. Its second only to 10' Kome as far as worse shooting goes IIRC.

Id go 03 Duncan, 12' James, and 06' Wade as my Top 3 tbh.

[irishock]

lol Every time the Lakers win its rigged and when other teams win it's not.

Why state the obvious? :lmao

True though.

2000- Portland game 7 officials rig
2002- Game 6 nuff said
2009- Kobe elbows Nelson, no call
2010- Game 7 FT differential

I'll give you 2001 though. Gotta be happy for Kobe's 1 legit title- wait that was Shaq's lol

[scanry]

1. Tim Duncan 2003/LBJ 2012
3. Kobe 2009
4. Dirk 2011
5. D Wade/Josh Howard 2006
6. Duncan 2005
7. Pierce 2008
8. Kobe 2010
9. Tony 2007
10. Billups/Kobe 2004

6-10 can be debatable and they were all pretty average.

Tim & Lebron are even but 5-10 years down the line, Tim's will stand out.

[racm]

24/17/5/5 in the Finals.

[AussieFanKurt]

Dirk '11 I feel. Did it all him self really. Didn't see Duncan in 03 to judge though

[Lincoln]

Outside of Dirk, who else did the Mavs have besides a bunch of role players? Marion, DeShawn, TC, Peja, Kidd all couldn't create their own shot. They needed someone to set them up. Only Dirk, Terry (3rd option at best), and Barea (crofl) could create a shot and that team managed to take down a team with 2 superstars and an all star.

Yeah Dirk shot bad that percentage because he was constantly being double and even triple teamed. No one around him could make open shots for the first 3 games before those open shots started to fall. He had the game winner in Game 2 after scoring like the last 7 or so points. He was clutch as fuck in Game 3 but fell short on the last possession.

[Lincoln]

Duncan 03 is a close one too because he had a shit supporting cast as well. And as rigged as 06 was, Wade couldn't be stopped and was clutch as fuck. Didn't he average like 35 ppg in the backdoor sweep wins? (although probably half of it coming from the line)

[Lincoln]

Tbh Im still butthurt about dismantling the championship team. Dem mavs destroyed the Thunder and beat the same Miami team in 2011 :cry

[irishock]

Mavs easily earn a rematch with Miami in 2012 if they kept Chandler. Rebounding cost the Mavs the series against OKC, and Dirk was still Dirk avging 26.8 when finally healthy

[Lincoln]

Chandler was a big part but JJB, Peja, and Lincoln were as well. JJ got in the lane at will vs Miami and OKC and Peja hit 3s vs OKC.

Would the Mavs have won still if Caron Butler was healthy?

[irishock]

Chandler was a big part but JJB, Peja, and Lincoln were as well. JJ got in the lane at will vs Miami and OKC and Peja hit 3s vs OKC.

Would the Mavs have won still if Caron Butler was healthy?

Tough call, Mavs played their best basketball of the season with Kidd-Terry-Butler-Dirk-Chandler and Marion off the bench. Butler would've taken away all of Peja's minutes, most of DeShawn's minutes and some of Marion's minutes. All 3 were huge for the team throughout the first 3 rounds.

[Ace]

2006 Wade imho

[Jodelo]

2006 refs imho

Ok...

[Ace]

I like taking it up the ass, especially from black men...
Ok...

[Jodelo]

Tbh, you are pretty unfunny.

[redzero]

Wade was better than Dirk last year, if we are strictly speaking about The Finals.

[z0sa]

Might as well just be Dirk 2011 vs Tim 2003 tbh

[DAF86]

I think people are taking Dirk's entire playoffs run when arguing about his finals' performance.

There's no way 26 pts on 41% shooting, 9.7 rebounds, 2 assists, 0.7 blks and 0.7 stls is better than:

28.6 pts on 47% shooting, 10.2 rebounds, 7.4 assists, 0.4 blks and 1.6 stls (Lebron) or
34.7 pts on 46% shooting, 7.8 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 1 blk and 2.7 stls (Wade) or
24.2 pts on 50% shooting, 17 rebounds (:lol), 5.3 assists, 5.3 blks (:lol) and 1 steal. (GOAT PF)

[Proxy]

Mavs easily earn a rematch with Miami in 2012 if they kept Chandler. Rebounding cost the Mavs the series against OKC, and Dirk was still Dirk avging 26.8 when finally healthy

2011 Mavs get past 2012 Spurs easily?

[mavs>spurs]

Ok...

wouldn't that make blacks gay though?

[Latarian Milton]

Outside of Dirk, who else did the Mavs have besides a bunch of role players? Marion, DeShawn, TC, Peja, Kidd all couldn't create their own shot. They needed someone to set them up. Only Dirk, Terry (3rd option at best), and Barea (crofl) could create a shot and that team managed to take down a team with 2 superstars and an all star.

Yeah Dirk shot bad that percentage because he was constantly being double and even triple teamed. No one around him could make open shots for the first 3 games before those open shots started to fall. He had the game winner in Game 2 after scoring like the last 7 or so points. He was clutch as fuck in Game 3 but fell short on the last possession.

11' championship was a fluke and u guys just got lucky to win it, get over it tbh. u got a gang of role players who all played like all-stars in the series hitting horseshit shots, but you still had no one you could trust besides the german allah come crunch time.

spurs 03' one ain't a fluke by any means. they got the fresh backcourt combo of manu and parker who would both become cornerstones of the team, and the admiral still was playing and contributing big, while the east was weak as SHIT at that time. tim's supporting casts in 03 ain't nearly as shitty as those dirk got on the 11' team, 03' spurs got lucky that they didn't have to confront a stacked 04' pistons, but that was never a fluke because they just kicked those asses they were supposed to kick tbh

[irishock]

2011 Mavs get past 2012 Spurs easily?

Yes. You think Duncan/Blair/Diaw can compete with Dirk/Chandler?

[irishock]

11' championship was a fluke and u guys just got lucky to win it, get over it tbh. u got a gang of role players who all played like all-stars in the series hitting horseshit shots, but you still had no one you could trust besides the german allah come crunch time.

spurs 03' one ain't a fluke by any means. they got the fresh backcourt combo of manu and parker who would both become cornerstones of the team, and the admiral still was playing and contributing big, while the east was weak as SHIT at that time. tim's supporting casts in 03 ain't nearly as shitty as those dirk got on the 11' team, 03' spurs got lucky that they didn't have to confront a stacked 04' pistons, but that was never a fluke because they just kicked those asses they were supposed to kick tbh

Spurs in 2003 lost game 1 to the Mavs who were good enough to beat them, Dirk goes down with the injury in game 3.


Spurs are the real fluke.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Duncan 03 is a close one too because he had a shit supporting cast as well. And as rigged as 06 was, Wade couldn't be stopped and was clutch as fuck. Didn't he average like 35 ppg in the backdoor sweep wins? (although probably half of it coming from the line)

The Spurs rode Duncan both offensively and defensively in 2003. It would be like if Dirk did his own job and Tyson Chandler's, too. Tim also came within an eyelash of a quadruple double in game 6 of the 2003 Finals.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Spurs in 2003 lost game 1 to the Mavs who were good enough to beat them, Dirk goes down with the injury in game 3.


Spurs are the real fluke.

Spurs beat the defending champs in 03 AND 05. Some candy ass Mavs team that never did anything to that point doesn't even matter as much as a speed bump.

[irishock]

Spurs beat the defending champs in 03 AND 05. Some candy ass Mavs team that never did anything to that point doesn't even matter as much as a speed bump.

Mavs beat the defending champions in 2006, your point is?

[Clipper Nation]

True though.

2000- Portland game 7 officials rig
2002- Game 6 nuff said
2009- Kobe elbows Nelson, no call
2010- Game 7 FT differential

I'll give you 2001 though. Gotta be happy for Kobe's 1 legit title- wait that was Shaq's lol

Nah, 2001 was rigged too, tbh.... the Bucks (who swept the Lakers in the regular season that year) were fucked over in the ECF so that the Lakers could face the shitty-ass Sixers instead....

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Mavs beat the defending champions in 2006, your point is?

The point is that Dallas in 2003 didn't matter, they were inconsequential, so it didn't matter if they had Dirk or not. They hadn't done a thing. It's much more important that SA beat LA than that Dirk missed a few games for a team that hadn't arrived yet anyway.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Clipper Nation might be the worst poster on this board. He volume shoots like Kobe or Iverson, but hits at a 1% clip on actual basketball takes and puts up a donut when it comes to comedy. Just an absolute embarrassment to spur/clipper fans.

[lefty]

Clipper Nation might be the worst poster on this board. He volume shoots like Kobe or Iverson, but hits at a 1% clip on actual basketball takes and puts up a donut when it comes to comedy. Just an absolute embarrassment to spur/clipper fans.
:wow

[irishock]

:wow

lol arsenal fan

[lefty]

lol arsenal fan
lol Arsenal fans :lol

[FkLA]

Tbh Im still butthurt about dismantling the championship team. Dem mavs destroyed the Thunder and beat the same Miami team in 2011 :cry

OKC was like a 4th seed in 2011 brah. Just in that one year from 2011 to 2012 Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka improved a good amount especially the latter two. 2012 OKC =/= 2011 OKC. The win over Miami was aided by the King choking. If the King performed like he did in 2012 no way Miami loses that Finals.

[Sa_Spursfan20]

Tim Duncan from 2003 was an absolute juggernaut. He gets my vote. With that said, this past season's LeBron James is easily a close second. Both of them really couldn't be stopped.

[Latarian Milton]

lol arsenal fan

can't judge him as an arsenal fan just by his RvP avatar tbh he used to have David Silva avatar so he might be a Man City fan just a few days ago accordingly. plus RvP is a United player already and most arsenal fans hate him and want his head now tbh

[Latarian Milton]

Spurs in 2003 lost game 1 to the Mavs who were good enough to beat them, Dirk goes down with the injury in game 3.


Spurs are the real fluke.

mavs aint relevant at that time, in fact the league as a whole was rather weak with spurs being the only dominant power, and if the spurs didn't get fucked by fisher's 0.4 sec 3 pointer in 04 which was a real fluke, they'd have probably won 3-peat from 03 to 05 tbh. lakers ain't no more the same team post 02 when kobe let his ego get the best of him

[lefty]

can't judge him as an arsenal fan just by his RvP avatar tbh he used to have David Silva avatar so he might be a Man City fan just a few days ago accordingly. plus RvP is a United player already and most arsenal fans hate him and want his head now tbh

Never had a DS avy

And im not an Arsenal fan

[irishock]

Never had a DS avy

And im not an Arsenal fan

RVP and Kobe


Both are great scorers


Both are also grade-a rapists

[Latarian Milton]

RVP and Kobe


Both are great scorers


Both are also grade-a rapists

RvP never raped shit, just some random bitch fabricating the whole story in order to draw public attention tbh, and RvP is like one of the best team players in the world. dude made more assists last season than any teammate did IIRC, besides scoring loads of goals himself

[Clipper Nation]

Clipper Nation might be the worst poster on this board. He volume shoots like Kobe or Iverson, but hits at a 1% clip on actual basketball takes and puts up a donut when it comes to comedy. Just an absolute embarrassment to spur/clipper fans.

Haters everywhere, tbh..... :hat

[scanry]

La Milt piling on them posts. :lol

[DMC]

MVP always goes to the highest scorer because those who make the selection only see the box score it seems.

[Clipper Nation]

BTW, it's Bron this past year, tbh..... such :cry class, heart, and hustle :cry is rarely seen outside of San Antonio tbh.....

[Deuce Bigalow]

True though.

2000- Portland game 7 officials rig
2002- Game 6 nuff said
2009- Kobe elbows Nelson, no call
2010- Game 7 FT differential

I'll give you 2001 though. Gotta be happy for Kobe's 1 legit title- wait that was Shaq's lol
http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/darkfire814/Gifs/NicolasCageLaugh.gif

[irishock]

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/darkfire814/Gifs/NicolasCageLaugh.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6swUWZW_Mi4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjRcTiwVEwo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT2VPTSJk50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-aGv0f5tMA

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6swUWZW_Mi4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjRcTiwVEwo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT2VPTSJk50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-aGv0f5tMA
http://cdn.business2community.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/michael-jordan-lol.gif

[irishock]

http://cdn.business2community.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/michael-jordan-lol.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck9nyiwaTIg

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck9nyiwaTIg
2001

LA...
http://qflf.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/400px-broom_icon.png

2002

LA 4-1

2004

LA 4-2

2008

LA 4-1

[irishock]

2001

la...
http://qflf.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/400px-broom_icon.png

2002

la 4-1

2004

la 4-2

2008

la 4-1

122 86
131 92

[ElNono]

lol shitbombs

[Deuce Bigalow]

122 86
131 92

Game 3, 01 WCF

Lakers - 111
Spurs - 72

Game 4, 01 WCF

Lakers - 111
Spurs - 82

[LkrFan]

Game 3, 01 WCF

Lakers - 111
Spurs - 72

Game 4, 01 WCF

Lakers - 111
Spurs - 82

That will shut his li'l hummingbird ass up for a minute. :lol

[Killakobe81]

Dirk, LeBron and Wade top 3 Duncan and Kobe top 5

[FkLA]

Dirk, LeBron and Wade top 3 Duncan and Kobe top 5

I hope youre trolling.

[scanry]

Dirk, LeBron and Wade top 3 Duncan and Kobe top 5

Duncan tops this imo. Duncan piled on 24.2 Pts/17.0 Rebs/5.3 Assts/5.3 Blocks. He had a freakish 32.0 PER that year.

I think he broke Hakeem's record of total blocks (31) in a finals series (the Dream took 7 games) in 6 games. :wow

[irishock]

Duncan tops this imo. Duncan piled on 24.2 Pts/17.0 Rebs/5.3 Assts/5.3 Blocks. He had a freakish 32.0 PER that year.

I think he broke Hakeem's record of total blocks (31) in a finals series (the Dream took 7 games) in 6 games. :wow

Against the Nets.


Dirk played against the best defense in the league.

[scanry]

Against the Nets.

Dirk played against the best defense in the league.

Dirk was unstoppable against OKC, but he didn't have a great series against Miami. Dallas played great as a team.

IMO Dallas had the best defense last year. Amazing what a great defensive big man can do to your title prospects. That's why i think the Lakers will win it all this year (If Dwight is healthy).

[DAF86]

Against the Nets.


Dirk played against the best defense in the league.

And he shot 41%, being offense his only contribution. He's nowhere near the top among best performances in the finals since 2003.

It's between Duncan, Lebron or Wade.

[ffadicted]

Wade

[irishock]

And he shot 41%, being offense his only contribution. He's nowhere near the top among best performances in the finals since 2003.

It's between Duncan, Lebron or Wade.

10 rbs, highest avg in series

[DAF86]

10 rbs, highest avg in series

Yeah, I forgot that. But still, Lebron got more rebounds than him (while having more pts, efficiency, assists, etc) and Duncan got twice as many rebounds per game.

No way Dirk is the best finals performer in the last decade.

[irishock]

Dirk played with a torn tendon (same hand he used to win game 2), a 100+ degree fever and a sore knee.

[DAF86]

:lol ok.

[irishock]

Gotta at least give him credit for that tho. James and Wade played well due to officiating in their favors and athleticism. I do agree no one tops 2003 tim.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Dirk's TS% was 55.8. Which is good.
Duncan's was 54.8% TS in '03.
Dirk was more efficient, against a much better defense too.

And before some faggot says "well his FG%..."
3 pointers are worth more and Freethrows are worth points too.

[scanry]

Gotta at least give him credit for that tho. James and Wade played well due to officiating in their favors and athleticism. I do agree no one tops 2003 tim.

Dirk was :wow clutch as f@ck against OKC. That was the best i saw from Dirk in all his career.

I remember them Mavsfans back then, they were tearing those Laker a##holes pretty good. But they were nowhere to be found after the finals.

[Kidd K]

I thought this thread was excluding Duncan in 2003? Since that should clearly be the overwhelming pick.

Duncan in '03 Finals:

PPG: 24.1
RPG: 17.0
APG: 5.3
BPG: 5.3
SPG: 1.0
FG%: 49.5%

And with arguably the worst supporting cast of any Finals MVP that won the title in history. And the near quadruple double in the closeout game where he got 21/20/10/8.



Tim 2003 with LeBron 2012 a close second. Dirk 2011 is especially underrated.

Imo Dirk was great until the Finals, where he was average (by the standards he had set earlier). He really dropped off in terms of production once he got there. But prior to the Finals, Dirk was looking like the 7 foot, slow white version of Jordan for about a month.

[Latarian Milton]

Dirk played with a torn tendon (same hand he used to win game 2), a 100+ degree fever and a sore knee.

and shitty supporting casts, despite all the disadvantages tho, dude played like a god and won the championship almost single handedly as if he was using steroid tbh

[racm]

Hey, he needed that ring. How else would he propose?

[Floyd Pacquiao]

03 duncan no doubt....dominated both ends of the court....and lets not forget tim had to go against kenyon martin & dikembe mutombo....

[monosylab1k]

Dirk's TS% was 55.8. Which is good.
Duncan's was 54.8% TS in '03.
Dirk was more efficient, against a much better defense too.

And before some faggot says "well his FG%..."
3 pointers are worth more and Freethrows are worth points too.

rofl and DAF disappears from the thread.

:lmao Ginobili upstaged by Duncan/Parker his entire career.
:lmao 3rd banana in the world's top league

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Dirk's TS% was 55.8. Which is good.
Duncan's was 54.8% TS in '03.
Dirk was more efficient, against a much better defense too.

And before some faggot says "well his FG%..."
3 pointers are worth more and Freethrows are worth points too.

Yeah, but he needed Chandler to do his work for him on the other side of the court. Tim pulled double duty, and came within 2 blocks of a quad double, setting the Finals blocks record in the process. It's no more valid to compare Finals Dirk to Duncan than it would be to compare Finals Tyson Chandler to Duncan. They each did exactly one half of his masterpiece of 2003.

[Lincoln]

:lol acting like that shit team Duncan played in the 03 finals had anything on the Heat. Dirks work was against the best perimeter defense in the league and he still managed to take over in the clutch and even hit a game winner with his left hand. The same left hand that had a fuckin torn tendon.

Can't forget about him playing through a 103 degree fever

[Latarian Milton]

:lol acting like that shit team Duncan played in the 03 finals had anything on the Heat. Dirks work was against the best perimeter defense in the league and he still managed to take over in the clutch and even hit a game winner with his left hand. The same left hand that had a fuckin torn tendon.

Can't forget about him playing through a 103 degree fever

dirk put up what was probably the greatest personal effort in NBA finals history in that series and we got really lucky to deal with the german allah who was in god mode tbh. dude got the ring he deserved

the 03 spurs deserved some credits for taking down them lakers but the finals that year was hardly a good one worth remembering imho, the nets just lost the series meekly w/o putting up much fight

[monosylab1k]

Yeah, but he needed Chandler to do his work for him on the other side of the court. Tim pulled double duty, and came within 2 blocks of a quad double, setting the Finals blocks record in the process. It's no more valid to compare Finals Dirk to Duncan than it would be to compare Finals Tyson Chandler to Duncan. They each did exactly one half of his masterpiece of 2003.

against the Nets.

It's like saying my 84-0 drubbing of the Bengals on Madden on the Rookie difficulty setting last night was a masterpiece.

[Kidd K]

Dirk's TS% was 55.8. Which is good.
Duncan's was 54.8% TS in '03.
Dirk was more efficient, against a much better defense too.

And before some faggot says "well his FG%..."
3 pointers are worth more and Freethrows are worth points too.

You posted their playoff TS%, not their Finals TS%. The thread is about Finals MVP, not best playoff run. And even if it was about playoff run, Duncan shits on him anyway because 1% difference in TS% doesn't make up for the massive difference in rebounding and defense.

Dirk's Finals TS% was 53.7% in the Finals, not 55.8%. He also shot just 41.6% from the field.

Duncan's Finals TS% was 54.6%, and his FG% was 49.5%.

So Duncan was more efficient, not Dirk.

And the Heat's defense wasn't better. Miami's team defensive rating was 103.5 that year. New Jersey's was 98.1. Which means they give up 5.4 less points per 100 possessions.

So you were literally wrong on both supposedly fact-based points due to not having your facts straight. Your opinion about FG% not being everything I agree with, but Dirk's TS% in the Finals was worse anyway even with the better FT shooting and the threes.

And of course, this doesn't even touch on Duncan's massive dominance everywhere else too.

Duncan in '03 Finals:

PPG: 24.1
RPG: 17.0
APG: 5.3
BPG: 5.3
SPG: 1.0
FG%: 49.5%
TS%: 54.6%


Dirk in '11 Finals:

PPG: 26.0
RPG: 9.3
APG: 2.0
BPG: 0.667
SPG: 0.667
FG%: 41.6%
TS%: 53.7%


And just for easier comparing:

Dirk's stats vs Duncan's:

PPG: + 1.9
RPG: - 7.7
APG: - 3.3
BPG: - 4.633
SPG: - 0.333
FG%: - 7.9%
TS%: - 0.9%


Duncan massively destroyed Dirk in overall performance in nearly every single category besides PPG, which he barely lost in (due to Dirk taking about 2 more shots per game to get the extra basket per game).

Meanwhile, Duncan with nearly 7.7 boards, 3.3 assists, and 4.6 blocks more per game. Gargantuan defensive presence, and more versetile and reliable on offense. Can't even compare tbh.

Like I said before, Dirk had a great playoff run BEFORE the Finals (he had some Jordan-esque scoring performances). . .but wasn't overly impressive once he got to the Finals. Was mostly just typical Dirk stats, only lower FG%/TS%. Duncan on the other hand, stepped his game up and performed well above his normal excellent standards.

I'm a fan of Dirk, but come on, those two perfomances aren't even close.




:lol acting like that shit team Duncan played in the 03 finals had anything on the Heat. Dirks work was against the best perimeter defense in the league and he still managed to take over in the clutch and even hit a game winner with his left hand. The same left hand that had a fuckin torn tendon.

Can't forget about him playing through a 103 degree fever

'03 Nets defensive rating: 98.1
'11 Heat defensive rating: 103.5

Clearly not even close either. The Nets blew the Heat away in defensive ability, but of course, ignorant dipshits like yourself will just rant about how shitty or great people/teams are, then lie about the facts to pretend they support your garbage ass opinions.

Dirk primarily scores within 15 feet of the hoop at with his back to the basket at some point, so perimeter defense doesn't mean much since he's, you know, a 7 foot high post player.

Dumb faggot. You don't know shit do you? :rollin

[FkLA]

:cry but Dirk had a good TS% and a broken hand who cares about his 40% shooting :cry

[TDfan2007]

against the Nets.

It's like saying my 84-0 drubbing of the Bengals on Madden on the Rookie difficulty setting last night was a masterpiece.

The Nets of 2003 had nothing on the 2012 Miami Heat, but you also need to consider matchups. Dirk was being defended by Chris Bosh (:lmao ) for most of that series, while Tim had to face Kenyon Martin and Dikembe Mutombo. That 2003 New Jersey wasn't deep, and basically fed off of Kenyon Martin and Kidd's production. If I remember right, they actually swept through the east that postseason.

The reason why they looked so bad in the finals was because Tim basically made Kenyon Martin his bitch. If you go back and watch, it was one of the most one-sided individual matchups in any series that I can recall. Martin averaged about 19 and 9 during the 2003 playoffs, and those numbers were probably even higher during the first 3 rounds before Duncan ate his lunch.

Dirk was great in 2011, but as other posters have stated, he played on one end. He literally drifted around defensively while Chandler was busy completely shutting Bosh down. Dirk's 2011 finals was no better than Tim's in 2005. A warrior effort against a great team, but not transcendentally dominant.

IMO Dirk's 2011 finals isn't even 2nd or 3rd best. 2nd goes to Lebron last year. That game 5 performance was some of the most beautiful basketball I've ever seen by any player.

edit: Wade's performance against the Mavs in 2006 (and the entire playoffs for that matter) comes in third imo.

[irishock]

against the Nets.

It's like saying my 84-0 drubbing of the Bengals on Madden on the Rookie difficulty setting last night was a masterpiece.

Thank you. That has been my point throughout.

[irishock]

The Nets of 2003 had nothing on the 2012 Miami Heat, but you also need to consider matchups. Dirk was being defended by Chris Bosh (:lmao ) for most of that series, while Tim had to face Kenyon Martin and Dikembe Mutombo. That 2003 New Jersey wasn't deep, and basically fed off of Kenyon Martin and Kidd's production. If I remember right, they actually swept through the east that postseason.

The reason why they looked so bad in the finals was because Tim basically made Kenyon Martin his bitch. If you go back and watch, it was one of the most one-sided individual matchups in any series that I can recall. Martin averaged about 19 and 9 during the 2003 playoffs, and those numbers were probably even higher during the first 3 rounds before Duncan ate his lunch.

Dirk was great in 2011, but as other posters have stated, he played on one end. He literally drifted around defensively while Chandler was busy completely shutting Bosh down. Dirk's 2011 finals was no better than Tim's in 2005. A warrior effort against a great team, but not transcendentally dominant.

IMO Dirk's 2011 finals isn't even 2nd or 3rd best. 2nd goes to Lebron last year. That game 5 performance was some of the most beautiful basketball I've ever seen by any player.

edit: Wade's performance against the Mavs in 2006 (and the entire playoffs for that matter) comes in third imo.

Bosh was put on Dirk for maybe 2 possessions the entire series. It was Haslem throughout.

[Latarian Milton]

:cry but Dirk had a good TS% and a broken hand who cares about his 40% shooting :cry

dirk played like god the whole series overall and in one game he only missed like 1 shot out of 13 IIRC. the 40% figure was the average of the series i suppose, dude couldn't hit shit in game 6 but thank god he had an on-fire JET who shot lights out that night and secured their win

[FkLA]

game 1- 38.9%
game 2- 45.5%
game 3- 52.4%
game 4- 31.6%
game 5- 50%
game 6- 33.3%

he was god prior to the finals but he only had two games were he was as good as in the western playoffs tbh

[TDfan2007]

Bosh was put on Dirk for maybe 2 possessions the entire series. It was Haslem throughout.

My bad. Well that explains the subpar shooting. Wasn't haslem injured for the beginning? I seem to remember him missing most of those playoffs.

Regardless, the rest of my points/comparisons still stand.

[rayjayjohnson]

Bron

[DAF86]

rofl and DAF disappears from the thread.

:lmao Ginobili upstaged by Duncan/Parker his entire career.
:lmao 3rd banana in the world's top league

I didn't thought it was needed to keep explaining why Dirk's finals performance isn't even close to being consider the best in the last decade but I guess with homers such as you it's needed.

I give you this ranking of historic NBA finals' performances.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-31-40

Just for you to don't waste time: Dirk's 33rd, 30 spots behind Duncan's 2003 performance. God bless, son.

[DAF86]

You posted their playoff TS%, not their Finals TS%. The thread is about Finals MVP, not best playoff run. And even if it was about playoff run, Duncan shits on him anyway because 1% difference in TS% doesn't make up for the massive difference in rebounding and defense.

Dirk's Finals TS% was 53.7% in the Finals, not 55.8%. He also shot just 41.6% from the field.

Duncan's Finals TS% was 54.6%, and his FG% was 49.5%.

So Duncan was more efficient, not Dirk.

And the Heat's defense wasn't better. Miami's team defensive rating was 103.5 that year. New Jersey's was 98.1. Which means they give up 5.4 less points per 100 possessions.

So you were literally wrong on both supposedly fact-based points due to not having your facts straight. Your opinion about FG% not being everything I agree with, but Dirk's TS% in the Finals was worse anyway even with the better FT shooting and the threes.

And of course, this doesn't even touch on Duncan's massive dominance everywhere else too.

Duncan in '03 Finals:

PPG: 24.1
RPG: 17.0
APG: 5.3
BPG: 5.3
SPG: 1.0
FG%: 49.5%
TS%: 54.6%


Dirk in '11 Finals:

PPG: 26.0
RPG: 9.3
APG: 2.0
BPG: 0.667
SPG: 0.667
FG%: 41.6%
TS%: 53.7%


And just for easier comparing:

Dirk's stats vs Duncan's:

PPG: + 1.9
RPG: - 7.7
APG: - 3.3
BPG: - 4.633
SPG: - 0.333
FG%: - 7.9%
TS%: - 0.9%


Duncan massively destroyed Dirk in overall performance in nearly every single category besides PPG, which he barely lost in (due to Dirk taking about 2 more shots per game to get the extra basket per game).

Meanwhile, Duncan with nearly 7.7 boards, 3.3 assists, and 4.6 blocks more per game. Gargantuan defensive presence, and more versetile and reliable on offense. Can't even compare tbh.

Like I said before, Dirk had a great playoff run BEFORE the Finals (he had some Jordan-esque scoring performances). . .but wasn't overly impressive once he got to the Finals. Was mostly just typical Dirk stats, only lower FG%/TS%. Duncan on the other hand, stepped his game up and performed well above his normal excellent standards.

I'm a fan of Dirk, but come on, those two perfomances aren't even close.





'03 Nets defensive rating: 98.1
'11 Heat defensive rating: 103.5

Clearly not even close either. The Nets blew the Heat away in defensive ability, but of course, ignorant dipshits like yourself will just rant about how shitty or great people/teams are, then lie about the facts to pretend they support your garbage ass opinions.

Dirk primarily scores within 15 feet of the hoop at with his back to the basket at some point, so perimeter defense doesn't mean much since he's, you know, a 7 foot high post player.

Dumb faggot. You don't know shit do you? :rollin

Who are the ones that dissapear now? :lol

Bunch of fucking homer faggots.

[rayjayjohnson]

lol pau 10