Rob Schneider Speaks Out Against Vaccines

[SA210]

Way to go Rob. :tu

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[Wild Cobra Kai]

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[DarrinS]

Thoughtful interview. There is something going on with the rates of Autism in this country. Some suspect that it has to do with all these vaccinations, but I've never seen any any hard data to back it up. I'm on the fence on this one.

[Spurminator]

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[boutons_deux]

some vaccines work

But BigPharma is pushing hard, so you MUST suspect they are pushing a lot of vaccines that are not only useless, but seriously harmful, even fatal, esp the very high volume vaccines like bird flu.

The schools are BigPharma's enforcment arm: no vaccines, no school entry.

[MannyIsGod]

There is no evidence linking vaccines to autism. The 2nd gunman on the grassy gnoll is likely responsible for autism increases, TBH.

[mercos]

I have yet to see scientific data linking vaccines to autism. To many actors talk about it like its fact. If they don't want their babies vaccinated, don't give birth in a hospital. Let them watch a youtube video and learn to deliver their own baby. They can then home school their kids since they won't be accepted into a public school. Rob Schneider still has his freedom, those options are available to him.

[MannyIsGod]

But hey if such a great scientific mind is speaking out on the subject....

[MannyIsGod]

Seriously, why would anyone link a video from Rob Schnieder talking about anything other than making a shitty movie? He's got no authority on any scientific subject.

[baseline bum]

Seriously, why would anyone link a video from Rob Schnieder talking about anything other than making a shitty movie?

:lol How does that guy get work?

[mavs>spurs]

lol quick everyone scoff

i don't get why you guys have responded to the thread this way, there is a lot of evidence to show that vaccines aren't anything you should be putting into your body. there are a few where there is a real need, but all that yearly flu shot bs started us down a slippery slope now they got a vaccine for everything. some of the chemicals in those things aren't good and they've been known to cause autism and cancer. i wouldn't get any more shots than i had to, not to mention relying on shots to prevent you from getting stuff like the flu is just going to weaken your immune system. i haven't been sick in like 8 years, and that's largely because I say the FUCK away from doctors/hospitals.

[Wild Cobra]

There is no evidence linking vaccines to autism. The 2nd gunman on the grassy gnoll is likely responsible for autism increases, TBH.


I have yet to see scientific data linking vaccines to autism. To many actors talk about it like its fact. If they don't want their babies vaccinated, don't give birth in a hospital. Let them watch a youtube video and learn to deliver their own baby. They can then home school their kids since they won't be accepted into a public school. Rob Schneider still has his freedom, those options are available to him.
Wouldn't it be ironic if it turns out kids don't get enough lead in their diet?

Some trace elements are needed in the body. Maybe lead is one of them. They are only poisonous in larger quantities than trace.

[howbouthemspurs]

Yup.. and only he would know.... fucking moron!

[Bill_Brasky]

:lol How does that guy get work?

By gripping Adam Sandler's base.

[Clipper Nation]

some vaccines work

But BigPharma is pushing hard, so you MUST suspect they are pushing a lot of vaccines that are not only useless, but seriously harmful, even fatal, esp the very high volume vaccines like bird flu.

The schools are BigPharma's enforcment arm: no vaccines, no school entry.
Wow, boutons with the rare, RARE goods.... however, Big Pharma has another enforcement arm in the FDA, who shuts down nearly any alternative to the Big Pharma vaccines, tbh....

[SA210]

Seriously, why would anyone link a video from Rob Schnieder talking about anything other than making a shitty movie? He's got no authority on any scientific subject.

Hey Manny, seriously..It amazes me how full of shit you actually are and how much shit you talk about things you have no fucking idea about.

What is it with jerks like you and Chump that can never have your own real opinion, but all you do is go around ragging on other's opinions or posts?

Rob Schneider doesn't have to be a scientist to know that most vaccines are bad for you. If you ever decided to step out of your narrow minded thinking and did some actual real research you would find a lot of things out.

Let me let you in on something, ok? I take NO vaccines, and neither does my daughter. We do not take over the counter drugs, nor do we EVER take Prescription drugs, we don't drink tap, and as much as we can.. we eat organic or as natural as possible, even though we don't stay perfect at that.

And guess what Mr. Ignorant, I personally have not been sick in over 7 years, not a damn sore throat, cough or even the smallest cold, flu or any other bullshit that I know YOU and everyone else talking shit in here gets with regularity.

My daughter got sick ONCE in her 13 years, ONCE, when she was about 3 years old.

I can be around ANYONE, friends, family who has the shits, fever, the most terrible cold, mucus, vomiting, you name it, and I do not get sick.

I take natural supplements, REAL Vitamin C and D3 everyday and stay I away from vaccines, even the sorry fake ass scam that is the flu vaccine, every year.

Tell me, don't lie, when was the last time you had a running nose, sore throat, just a little cold, any type of sickness? lol

Because it's been almost 8 years for me. It's about strengthening your damn immune system, which you obviously don't know shit about. Most of you don't which is why you cold having, annual flu having sob's comment the way you do, with ignorance. Please, learn something and stop being sick :tu

[SA210]

Government settles the case, then seals the case files :lol

hmm..

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[Creepn]

Hey Manny, seriously..It amazes me how full of shit you actually are and how much shit you talk about things you have no fucking idea about.

What is it with jerks like you and Chump that can never have your own real opinion, but all you do is go around ragging on other's opinions or posts?

Rob Schneider doesn't have to be a scientist to know that most vaccines are bad for you. If you ever decided to step out of your narrow minded thinking and did some actual real research you would find a lot of things out.

Let me let you in on something, ok? I take NO vaccines, and neither does my daughter. We do not take over the counter drugs, nor do we EVER take Prescription drugs, we don't drink tap, and as much as we can.. we eat organic or as natural as possible, even though we don't stay perfect at that.

And guess what Mr. Ignorant, I personally have not been sick in over 7 years, not a damn sore throat, cough or even the smallest cold, flu or any other bullshit that I know YOU and everyone else talking shit in here gets with regularity.

My daughter got sick ONCE in her 13 years, ONCE, when she was about 3 years old.

I can be around ANYONE, friends, family who has the shits, fever, the most terrible cold, mucus, vomiting, you name it, and I do not get sick.

I take natural supplements, REAL Vitamin C and D3 everyday and stay I away from vaccines, even the sorry fake ass scam that is the flu vaccine, every year.

Tell me, don't lie, when was the last time you had a running nose, sore throat, just a little cold, any type of sickness? lol

Because it's been almost 8 years for me. It's about strengthening your damn immune system, which you obviously don't know shit about. Most of you don't which is why you cold having, annual flu having sob's comment the way you do, with ignorance. Please, learn something and stop being sick :tu

You are still going to die.

[SA210]

You are still going to die.

Everyone dies, but I won't have as many colds, flus, and other illness setbacks in my lifetime as you :tu

[Creepn]

Everyone dies, but I won't have as many colds, flus, and other illness setbacks in my lifetime as you :tu

Lol. But if I did, isn't my immune system strengthening anyway? BTW, what water do you drink? You get those big blue jugs delivered to your home?

[AussieFanKurt]

Don't know of any research but every single friend and family member has had vaccines and none have had any negatives out of it.

[ChumpDumper]

lol quick everyone scoff.Personally I'm glad I waited until SA210 melted down.

For the record, I haven't been sick in years either -- and I took ALL the vaccines and ate ALL the processed food and drank ALL the fluoridated tap water I could get.

[Shastafarian]

Rob Schneider doesn't have to be a scientist to know that most vaccines are bad for you. lolwut


Let me let you in on something, ok? I take NO vaccines, and neither does my daughter.You're a bad parent. Children and Elderly are most at risk for infectious disease due to naive/compromised immune systems.


We do not take over the counter drugs, nor do we EVER take Prescription drugs, we don't drink tap, and as much as we can.. we eat organic or as natural as possible, even though we don't stay perfect at that.What if your daughter had an illness that required medication?


And guess what Mr. Ignorant, I personally have not been sick in over 7 years, not a damn sore throat, cough or even the smallest cold, flu or any other bullshit that I know YOU and everyone else talking shit in here gets with regularity.What does this have to do with vaccines? The fallacy with this kind of logic is assuming vaccines don't do any good. We know vaccines prevent disease so withholding important vaccines from a child is pretty ignorant and dangerous.



I can be around ANYONE, friends, family who has the shits, fever, the most terrible cold, mucus, vomiting, you name it, and I do not get sick.Congrats on your immune system. Let me know how that goes when you're 60 years old.


I take natural supplements,:rollin You rail on pharmaceutical companies but take supplements? Supplements being the least regulated substances you can put into your body. Which supplements do you take from which companies?


REAL Vitamin C and D3 everyday and stay I away from vaccines, even the sorry fake ass scam that is the flu vaccine, every year.Have fun with shingles.



Because it's been almost 8 years for me. It's about strengthening your damn immune system, which you obviously don't know shit about.
Most of you don't which is why you cold having, annual flu having sob's comment the way you do, with ignorance. Please, learn something and stop being sick :tuWhat do you know about it? Do you know what vaccines are and how they work?

[leemajors]

Why didn't you show Jenny McCarthy love a few years ago? Rob is just jumping on the bandwagon here tbh.

[leemajors]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy


On 5 January 2011, the BMJ published the first of a series of articles by Brian Deer, detailing how Wakefield and his colleagues had faked some of the data behind the 1998 Lancet article. By looking at the records and interviewing the parents, Deer found that for all 12 children in the Wakefield study, diagnoses had been tweaked or dates changed to fit the article's conclusion.[93] Continuing the BMJ series on 11 January 2011,[94] Deer said that based upon documents he obtained under Freedom of information legislation,[95] Wakefield—in partnership with the father of one of the boys in the study—had planned to launch a venture on the back of an MMR vaccination scare that would profit from new medical tests and "litigation driven testing".[96] The Washington Post reported that Deer said that Wakefield predicted he "could make more than $43 million a year from diagnostic kits" for the new condition, autistic enterocolitis.[95] WebMD reported on Deer's BMJ report, saying that the $43 million predicted yearly profits would come from marketing kits for "diagnosing patients with autism" and that "the initial market for the diagnostic will be litigation-driven testing of patients with AE [autistic enterocolitis, an unproven condition concocted by Wakefield] from both the UK and the USA".[97] According to WebMD, the BMJ article also claimed that the venture would succeed in marketing products and developing a replacement vaccine if "public confidence in the MMR vaccine was damaged".[97]
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[boutons_deux]

There is something going on with the rates of Autism in this country.

There is an epidemic of bogus diagnoses that outweighs any epidemic of actual epidemic. And once, eg, autism is "diagnosed", the care givers and BigPharma start raking in the $10Ks per kid, for years.

This fucking country has been brainwashed, hypnotized into believing, in true religious, unquestioning, don't-want-no-facts manner, that nearly everybody is diseased to some degree so everybody needs BigPharma pills, and that health only comes from BigPharma pills.

eg, BigPharma now was everybody, starting with kids, to take statins for their entire life, the side effects be damned.

[Shastafarian]

leemajors with the goods

[leemajors]

I do think the flu shot is rather pointless and has a lot of mercury in it, or at least used to.

[leemajors]

Also, pretty sure you need immunizations to attend school in TX, as well as daycare. You can get an affadavit for exemptions but you are potentially putting a lot of people at risk from Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and the like. Scary diseases with fairly effective prevention.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Well, SA210 is a bad father.

[Wild Cobra]

I do think the flu shot is rather pointless and has a lot of mercury in it, or at least used to.
About a decade ago, it was decided to place more rules on it. Very few vaccines now even carry the preservative that contains mercury, yet autism rates are not declining. It's most likely something else.

[boutons_deux]

in the same area, BigPharma getting docs, who get a percentage, to give kids anti-psychotics.

Why have Antipsychotic Prescriptions in Children Skyrocketed?

Thanks to aggressive marketing techniques, pharmaceutical companies are raking in profits from atypical antipsychotic medications – drugs originally approved for mental illnesses that are as serious as they are rare.

It's no surprise then that a major portion of the sales of these types of "hard-core" psychiatric drugs come from off-label uses. Drugs such as Seroquel, Zyprexa, Risperdal and Abilify are now increasingly prescribed by psychiatrists and primary-care doctors to treat conditions they were never intended or approved for, such as:

Anxiety
Attention-deficit disorder (ADD)
Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)
Behavioral problems, and
Insomnia

Drug makers are increasingly getting caught in the act of illegal marketing of this class of drugs:

In July, GlaxoSmithKline was found guilty of the largest health fraud in US history, and was fined $3 billion after pleading guilty to three counts of criminal misdemeanor and other civil liabilities relating to a number of different drugs, including Paxil and Wellbutrin

In June, Johnson & Johnson agreed to pay $2.2 billion for illegally marketing its drug Risperdal

In 2009 Eli Lilly was fined $1.4 billion for the illegal marketing of its antipsychotic drug Zyprexa

Bristol Myers Squibb was fined $515 million in 2007 to settle charges of illegal marketing of Abilify to child psychiatrists

Pfizer paid $301 million for illegal marketing of its drug Geodon, and

AstraZeneca has paid out $520 million to settle illegal marketing charges of Seroquel


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/08/30/antipsychotic-drugs-in-children.aspx?e_cid=20120909_SNLNew_MC_1

autism is just one of a range of alleged mental disorders in pre-adults that BigPharma and corrupt docs profit from.

[leemajors]

It's his choice and his right not to, and I respect that. But vaccinations have nearly eradicated some truly terrible diseases, like polio. Overall they have a very positive impact.

[SA210]

Well, SA210 is a bad father.

All you morons are very lost on this issue and you have no clue that you are lol.

My daughter hasn't been sick in 10 years, she gets straight A's, plays violin, clarinet and as I'm writing this she is writing her first book (proud of her) lol. She's a damn great salesperson too, she loves selling cookie dough for her school and she always sells the max amount to get the biggest prize, so her entrepreneurial instincts have me proud and confident that when she's an adult she will be even more self-driven, people oriented and successful. She does the same for her cheer-leading Pop Warner squad. I can't stop her to be honest lol

She seems to be a very ambitious kid. I'm a single dad and have had her since she was newborn so the whole "he's a bad dad" bs is just that, bs from internet wanna be tough guys who don't know the first thing about forming a real opinion or fatherhood and basically resort to moronic statements like that because they don't know how to actually debate the subject at hand. lol

The FDA told you to think this way since childhood, I understand you were brainwashed and never busted out of that horrible way of thinking. The notion that she puts others at risk is the brainwashed bullshit you have been fed :lol Why hasn't she been sick then and others have? haha

It's funny to see all of you have no idea what you are talking about.

And I don't believe anyone in here that says they haven't been sick at all that regularly takes meds and vaccines. It's a lie :tu

The thing is to take as less of these things as possible. If it's an emergency to the ER and you need a vaccine, pain meds, etc, I am not against that. Shit if you're shot, stabbed or need an emergency procedure, that's understandable, but the scam of making a vaccine and medication for everything is laughable.

It is my right as parent to make the right choice for my child to not poison her with fraudulent poisonous vaccines throughout her childhood, and guess what, she never gets sick, but yet all these kids that DO take vaccines are always sick lol, odd.

I'm glad I made the right choice and that my daughter is as healthy as ever, and smarter than ever. :toast

Educate yourselves, keep an open mind and you'll be amazed.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Yeah, it's all a conspiracy! Everybody is lying and trying to harm you.

:lol bad parent

[SA210]

lolwut

Yea, it just takes some open minded research :tu Look into it.


You're a bad parent. Children and Elderly are most at risk for infectious disease due to naive/compromised immune systems.

And yet my daughter's going on 14, hasn't been sick in 10 years and has the strongest immune system than any kid she knows :lol


What if your daughter had an illness that required medication?

That's the flawed thinking that has you and others type the ignorance that you type. Sickness requires a way of dieting and vitamins, not medications. If you have properly done this, more than likely you don't get sick and even if you did it would be over quicker than the average person, with natural vitamins and diet. If it's an emergency type procedure, then maybe. But, I will never make it a lifestyle. That's why she and I are so healthy. Not the "healthy" that you and the FDA considers healthy, but ACTUALLY healthy.

She hasn't gotten sick yet, so no problem so far. :tu

How often do kids in your family get sick, has it been over ten years for them too? I doubt it.



What does this have to do with vaccines? The fallacy with this kind of logic is assuming vaccines don't do any good. We know vaccines prevent disease so withholding important vaccines from a child is pretty ignorant and dangerous.

And yet again, she hasn't gotten sick in ten years. But other vaccinated kids always do lol



Congrats on your immune system. Let me know how that goes when you're 60 years old.

If you haven't died of cancer or liver failure from vaccines and meds by then, sure thing :tu


:rollin You rail on pharmaceutical companies but take supplements? Supplements being the least regulated substances you can put into your body. Which supplements do you take from which companies?

Ever heard of natural juicing, and natural supplements? nah, that's obviously far too advanced for you. Look into it. You are still stuck in the crazy world of believing the corrupt FDA needs to regulate nature, so you have a lot of work to do lol


Have fun with shingles.

Have fun with your sicknesses. I'll let you know when shingles pops up lol (never)



What do you know about it? Do you know what vaccines are and how they work?

I know we haven't needed any, and those that think they do get sick a lot. lol Don't fix what's not broken :tu

[SA210]

Yeah, it's all a conspiracy! Everybody is lying and trying to harm you.

:lol bad parent

Again, no real argument. :lol

[Woo Bum-kon]

I do have an argument.

You are so paranoid that you would deny your daughter vaccines because you think the FDA is trying to trick you into getting them. And you think that your daughter getting good grades somehow makes up for that.

You also take :lol supplements :lol.

[SA210]

I do have an argument.

You are so paranoid that you would deny your daughter vaccines because you think the FDA is trying to trick you into getting them. And you think that your daughter getting good grades somehow makes up for that.

You also take :lol supplements :lol.

Nah, I said YOU are brainwashed by the FDA. And I protect my daughter from poisons and she doesn't and hasn't gotten sick because of it, and her getting great grades shows I do a pretty damn great job as a daddy :tu Oh, and my natural supplement taking and juicing has kept me from getting sick too, but yet you and people you know try the alternative and you all get sick. So, I guess I'm right on this debate :lol

Moron lol

[ChumpDumper]

And I don't believe anyone in here that says they haven't been sick at all that regularly takes meds and vaccines. It's a lie :tuOK, I don't believe you either. You lie. :tu

That was easy.

[Woo Bum-kon]

:lol ridiculously small sample size
:lol thinking correlation equals causation
:lol anecdotal evidence > millions of dollars worth of tests

[SA210]

:lol ridiculously small sample size
:lol thinking correlation equals causation
:lol anecdotal evidence > millions of dollars worth of tests

My own sample size and those that I know that do the same is good enough for me, and it works. :tu

Millions of dollars of tests to fool Americans into taking meds and vaccines at record rates which in turn creates record profits, and still keeps all of you sick and causing further side affects and more sickness in other areas from said meds and vaccines in the long run which in turn creates more record profits :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Hope your kid doesn't die.

It would totally be your fault.

[Woo Bum-kon]

My own sample size and those that I know that do the same is good enough for me

Of course it is. You're an idiot.

[SA210]

Of course it is. You're an idiot.

Who hasn't been sick in over 7 years :tu lol

[Woo Bum-kon]

So? Lots of people haven't been sick in seven years. Your sample size is ridiculously small. You equate correlation with causation. You use anecdotal evidence as concrete proof. You dismiss all other evidence as lies, so no matter what, you will be right.

You're delusional.

[SA210]

So? Lots of people haven't been sick in seven years. Your sample size is ridiculously small. You equate correlation with causation. You use anecdotal evidence as concrete proof. You dismiss all other evidence as lies, so no matter what, you will be right.

You're delusional.

No, just healthy lol

[SA210]

Common sense, it would help some people lol

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[Woo Bum-kon]

No, just healthy lol

So are lots of people who take vaccinations.

[ChumpDumper]

So are lots of people who take vaccinations.Millyuns!

[SA210]

So are lots of people who take vaccinations.

Just not you and other ignorant naysayers in this thread lol

And your definition of "healthy" is flawed to begin with :lol True healthiness is having an immune system that doesn't require you to need poisonous vaccines and meds with regularity, which usually just masks your sicknesses and makes things worse in the long run.

An immune system that keeps you from getting sick in the first place is better than masking the problem with drugs and poisons. But thanks for playing. Big Pharma needs sheep like you to continue their record profits. lol

[Woo Bum-kon]

Just not you and other ignorant naysayers in this thread lol

:lol talking out of your ass


And your definition of "healthy" is flawed to begin with :lolhttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/health

health

noun

1. the general condition of the body or mind with reference to soundness and vigor: good health; poor health.

2. soundness of body or mind; freedom from disease or ailment: to have one's health; to lose one's health.



True healthiness is having an immune system that doesn't require you to need poisonous vaccines and meds with regularity, which usually just masks your sicknesses and makes things worse in the long run.From where did you get that definition?


An immune system that keeps you from getting sick in the first place is better than masking the problem with drugs and poisons.Oh wow. You should come forward and tell the world about how you are immune to bacteria, viruses and other ailments. You could make millions of dollars off of it.

[SA210]

:lol talking out of your ass



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/health

health

   [helth] Show IPA
noun 1. the general condition of the body or mind with reference to soundness and vigor: good health; poor health.

2. soundness of body or mind; freedom from disease or ailment: to have one's health; to lose one's health.




From where did you get that definition?



Oh wow. You should come forward and tell the world about how you are immune to bacteria, viruses and other ailments. You could make millions of dollars off of it.


Moron did what I was waiting for, busted out with a dictionary definition of health. :lmao

That doesn't prove anything other than my own point. To what standards do YOU figure good health is. If you need meds throughout your life then your standards of good health is flawed.


Freedom from disease or ailment


That right there says it. Your body's toxicity is bad if you need to take meds. It's an unnatural product that was never meant to be in your body and it reacts adversely in the long run. You aren't free from disease and ailment if you have to take antibiotics, over the counter drugs, and prescription meds, etc, which is why you commonly get sick with colds, flu etc.

I don't have to take those things and I don't get sick lol. So what's healthier... someone getting sick and needing to take them or someone who never gets sick and doesn't need them? lol

Whose standard of health are you going by as "good health"? The FDA? Big Pharma? lol

You really need to stop being an ignorant dick and do some real research.

[Woo Bum-kon]

People are going to get diseases. That's a fact of life. Just because some people take vaccinations to prevent coming down with illnesses, does not make them unhealthy. Just because you haven't had a vaccination in I don't know how many years, or haven't come down with an illness, doesn't make you healthier than everybody who has been vaccinated.

You're a delusional idiot. You and your daughter are not immune from disease.

[SA210]

People are going to contract diseases. That's a fact of life. Just because some people take vaccinations to prevent coming down with illnesses, does not make them unhealthy. Just because you haven't had a vaccination in I don't know how many years, or haven't come down with an illness, doesn't make you healthier than everybody who has been vaccinated.

You're a delusional idiot. You and your daughter are not immune from disease.


::yawn::

Yea, you're just wrong and you don't even understand how. Go do some research, it would help. I know I can be around a whole lot of people who have been vaccinated who are extremely sick, and I don't catch what they have.

I have to go for now, while you very ignorantly don't do any real open minded research. I'm being a good daddy and taking my healthy daughter to the movies :tu

[Woo Bum-kon]

:lol You mean, go look for articles that support your stupid opinion.

[Shastafarian]

:lol Quality work being done

[Bill_Brasky]

Crofl anyone else remember this skank?

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[mavs>spurs]

^another reason not to take those things. keep up the good work sa210, you did good protecting your daughter and her health. don't listen to the mindless sycophants of the system..it's just the internet they don't matter. all those things lead to is compromised immune system, lifetime of allergies, and sometimes severe symptoms such as cancer, autism, mental retardation etc. granted, there are a few vaccines that i would say the benefits outweigh the risks...for instance i'm glad we were able to stamp out smallpox. but all this bird flu, swine flu, regular flu, hpv, meningitus, etc vaccines are a load of shit from big pharma.

[mavs>spurs]

Chump reminds me of this guy who I once saw trying to eat fish out of lake worth over here where there has been a ban on human consumption for years due to the PCB and other toxic chemicals. He wanted to know if I was going to throw my fish back and ask if he could have it..I tell him that the fish here aren't safe to eat and cause cancer and do you know what this redneck says? He goes "Awww I don't believe in all that, hell I got cancer right now and it sure as hell ain't from eating these fish for 30 years!"

As Chump is typing, he has a box full of tissues on his desk, typing up a bunch of bullshit in favor of vaccines not even realizing why he has chronic allergies :lol

[Agloco]

Hey Manny, seriously..It amazes me how full of shit you actually are and how much shit you talk about things you have no fucking idea about.

What is it with jerks like you and Chump that can never have your own real opinion, but all you do is go around ragging on other's opinions or posts?

Rob Schneider doesn't have to be a scientist to know that most vaccines are bad for you. If you ever decided to step out of your narrow minded thinking and did some actual real research you would find a lot of things out.

Let me let you in on something, ok? I take NO vaccines, and neither does my daughter. We do not take over the counter drugs, nor do we EVER take Prescription drugs, we don't drink tap, and as much as we can.. we eat organic or as natural as possible, even though we don't stay perfect at that.

And guess what Mr. Ignorant, I personally have not been sick in over 7 years, not a damn sore throat, cough or even the smallest cold, flu or any other bullshit that I know YOU and everyone else talking shit in here gets with regularity.

My daughter got sick ONCE in her 13 years, ONCE, when she was about 3 years old.

I can be around ANYONE, friends, family who has the shits, fever, the most terrible cold, mucus, vomiting, you name it, and I do not get sick.

I take natural supplements, REAL Vitamin C and D3 everyday and stay I away from vaccines, even the sorry fake ass scam that is the flu vaccine, every year.

Tell me, don't lie, when was the last time you had a running nose, sore throat, just a little cold, any type of sickness? lol

Because it's been almost 8 years for me. It's about strengthening your damn immune system, which you obviously don't know shit about. Most of you don't which is why you cold having, annual flu having sob's comment the way you do, with ignorance. Please, learn something and stop being sick :tu

It works for you. It certainly must work for the rest of humanity.

[ploto]

I take NO vaccines...

So you were never vaccinated as a child?

[Shastafarian]

Beware of unregulated dietary supplements

http://news.consumerreports.org/health/2011/05/beware-of-unregulated-dietary-supplements.html

[SnakeBoy]

yet autism rates are not declining. It's most likely something else.

It's not a mystery. Austism rates increase with the age of the parents.


In 1970, one in 100 births was among women ages 35 and older, compared with one in 12 in 2006

[SnakeBoy]

you are potentially putting a lot of people at risk from Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and the like. Scary diseases with fairly effective prevention.

Not really. There is a thing called herd immunity. It protects these idiots from themselves as long as they remain a small percentage of the population.

[mavs>spurs]

yeah...how could not getting the vaccine put others at risk if they HAVE the vaccines? that post didn't really make sense.

[SA210]

Chump reminds me of this guy who I once saw trying to eat fish out of lake worth over here where there has been a ban on human consumption for years due to the PCB and other toxic chemicals. He wanted to know if I was going to throw my fish back and ask if he could have it..I tell him that the fish here aren't safe to eat and cause cancer and do you know what this redneck says? He goes "Awww I don't believe in all that, hell I got cancer right now and it sure as hell ain't from eating these fish for 30 years!"

As Chump is typing, he has a box full of tissues on his desk, typing up a bunch of bullshit in favor of vaccines not even realizing why he has chronic allergies :lol

:lol yup

[SA210]

So you were never vaccinated as a child?

I was. As soon as I learned the truth I started making changes. In fact I was a severe migraine sufferer as well, I got them all the time.

I cleansed myself from toxins in my body and made the dietary changes I needed to make after going on a strict water only fast that lasted over 3 weeks.

Haven't had a migraine since, or any other illness :tu True story

[SA210]

It works for you. It certainly must work for the rest of humanity.

Well, if most people who shat on logic actually gave it a try..ya know lol

[SA210]

^another reason not to take those things. keep up the good work sa210, you did good protecting your daughter and her health. don't listen to the mindless sycophants of the system..it's just the internet they don't matter. all those things lead to is compromised immune system, lifetime of allergies, and sometimes severe symptoms such as cancer, autism, mental retardation etc. granted, there are a few vaccines that i would say the benefits outweigh the risks...for instance i'm glad we were able to stamp out smallpox. but all this bird flu, swine flu, regular flu, hpv, meningitus, etc vaccines are a load of shit from big pharma.


:tu Thanks, no worries. Their ignorance and lack of knowledge on what we are talking about won't change how I protect my daughter from the poisons they take everyday. I'm all good lol

[Shastafarian]

I cleansed myself from toxins in my body and made the dietary changes I needed to make after going on a strict water only fast that lasted over 3 weeks.


:rollin Water only for 3 weeks huh? Were you receiving IV fluids as well?

[SA210]

:rollin Water only for 3 weeks huh? Were you receiving IV fluids as well?

Nope, no iv fluids. Just water. I know, I opened up a whole other subject that you also have no idea about whatsoever just like the rest. You might wanna quit now, because all I keep doing is owning all of you. lol

[Shastafarian]

Nope, no iv fluids. Just water. I know, I opened up a whole other subject that you also have no idea about whatsoever just like the rest. You might wanna quit now, because all I keep doing is owning all of you. lol
Amazing. So you took in ONLY water for 3 weeks? Wow that's unbelievably terrible for you. Fasting for extended periods of time can damage your liver, heart, brain, muscles...pretty much every major organ system. And it can cause edema, hypoproteinemia, and anemia among other things. I believe seizures and dulled mentation are also sequelae as the brain is dependent on glucose to run properly. Your liver will probably become fatty as glucose production goes into overdrive when you don't ingest any carbohydrates. I hope you don't make your daughter do these things. Tantamount to child abuse.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Shasta, you don't actually believe the "Only water for 3 weeks!" story from him, do you :lol

[SA210]

Amazing. So you took in ONLY water for 3 weeks? Wow that's unbelievably terrible for you. Fasting for extended periods of time can damage your liver, heart, brain, muscles...pretty much every major organ system. And it can cause edema, hypoproteinemia, and anemia among other things. I believe seizures and dulled mentation are also sequelae as the brain is dependent on glucose to run properly. Your liver will probably become fatty as glucose production goes into overdrive when you don't ingest any carbohydrates. I hope you don't make your daughter do these things. Tantamount to child abuse.

I expected for you to spew that nonsense, I really did :lol. In fact a water or juice fast done right heals all of those things instead lol. Gives you better awareness, helps your brain and cures you. And my daughter doesn't need any fasting, thankfully to my wonderful decision to keep poisons away from her. When she is an adult, if she wants to fast that is her decision. But thanks for trying to play parent. :tu

I told you to quit, you will continue to be wrong, and sadly you all believe the lies you have been told by Big Pharma.

Guess what I also cured my gallstones naturally too with a heart. liver gallbladder cleanse, when the doctors told me I needed surgery lol.

[SA210]

Shasta, you don't actually believe the "Only water for 3 weeks!" story from him, do you :lol

Oh, but it's true :tu

It only takes will power. Some people have it, some people don't.

http://drbenkim.com/fasting.html

[Latarian Milton]

vaccine never benefits one's health by any means imho. it may help protect people from certain diseases (not 100% working, and sometimes causing unwanted side effects), but people are still exposed to 99% other species of viruses to which they're not immune at all.

[SA210]

http://drbenkim.com/fasting.html


Historical records tell us that fasting has been used for health recovery for thousands of years. Hippocrates, Socrates, and Plato all recommended fasting for health recovery. The Bible tells us that Moses and Jesus fasted for 40 days for spiritual renewal. Mahatma Gandhi fasted for 21 days to promote respect and compassion between people with different religions.
For much of human history, fasting has been guided by intuition and spiritual purpose. Today, our understanding of human physiology confirms the powerful healing effects of fasting.


Fasting is a powerful therapeutic process that can help people recover from mild to severe health conditions. Some of the most common ones are high blood pressure, asthma, allergies, chronic headaches, inflammatory bowel disease (ulcerative colitis and Crohn’s disease), irritable bowel syndrome, adult onset diabetes, heart disease, degenerative arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis, eczema, acne, uterine fibroids, benign tumours, and systemic lupus erythematosus.


Fasting provides a period of concentrated physiological rest during which time the body can devote its self-healing mechanisms to repairing and strengthening damaged organs. The process of fasting also allows the body to cleanse cells of accumulated toxins and waste products.


Fasting gives the digestive tract time to completely rest and strengthen its mucosal lining. A healthy intestinal mucosal lining is necessary for preventing the leakage of incompletely digested proteins into the bloodstream, thereby offering protection against autoimmune conditions. A healthy digestive tract also helps to protect the blood and inner organs against a variety of environmental and metabolic toxins.
A fast that is appropriate for your situation will allow for you to experience some or all of the following:


More energy
Healthier skin
Healthier teeth and gums
Better quality sleep
A clean and healthy cardiovascular system
A decrease in anxiety and tension
Dramatic reduction or complete elimination of aches and pains in muscles and joints
Decrease or elimination of headaches
Stabilization of blood pressure
Stronger and more efficient digestion
Stabilization of bowel movements
Loss of excess weight
Elimination of stored toxins
Improvement with a wide variety of chronic degenerative health conditions, including autoimmune disorders

It is important to understand that the detoxifying and healing processes that occur during a fast are also active when a person is consuming food. A fast can be helpful for people whose conditions are not improving as quickly as they would like, or for people who have health conditions that require a concentrated period of healing to resolve. It is also important to understand that the most important part of a fast is how a person lives after the fast. Fasting can provide a clean and revitalized foundation upon which you can build and maintain a strong and well-conditioned body by consistently making healthy food and lifestyle choices.


What follows are answers to commonly asked questions about fasting:

Q. How do I know if I need to fast?
A: The answer to this question depends on your health status and goals. For many people, adopting an unprocessed, whole food diet, engaging in a sensible exercise program, acquiring restful sleep, and living in a relatively unpolluted environment will provide the necessary conditions to recover and maintain vibrant health. If a person is having a difficult time making necessary dietary and lifestyle changes, fasting can be a powerful way of accelerating health recovery. Fasting can also reset the sensitivity of the nervous system, providing an effective way of overcoming dependencies on caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, other recreational drugs, salt, sugar, and other stimulants. After fasting, many people marvel at how sweet romaine lettuce is, how refreshing apples are, and how wonderfully delicious baked potatoes are – without sour cream and butter! Many of us have been eating rich, salty, and sweetened foods for so long that we are unaware of how good foods taste in their natural, unprocessed states.
Some people choose to fast in the absence of overt symptoms of disease, knowing that a period of complete physiological rest can allow the body to rejuvenate itself from the toxins that build up in our tissues despite our efforts to live healthfully.


Q. How long should I fast for?
A. If you choose to fast to recover from acute illness, you can fast until you feel well enough to eat again. In the case of a chronic health challenge, the length of the fast is determined by the progress of the fast. The healing processes that take place during a fast are predictable. Blood levels of cholesterol and uric acid tend to elevate during a fast, a result of the body stirring up stores of undesirable materials and expelling them into the circulation to be eliminated from the body. Shortly after the fast, these levels tend to be lower than they were before the fast, indicating a cleaner system. ESR, a marker for inflammation, tends to decrease during the course of a fast. As a part of the detoxification process, some people experience vomiting, diarrhea, headaches, dizziness, skin rashes, and other uncomfortable symptoms. Fasting under the supervision of a health care professional who is trained to distinguish healing responses from harmful processes can be helpful in allowing a person to "ride out" uncomfortable symptoms of detoxification.
It is not uncommon for people to experience significant improvement in their health from fasting between 3 and 30 days. The idea is to fast as briefly as possible, but as long as is necessary to allow the body to restore health.


Q. Can anyone fast?
A. There are a handful of exceptional circumstances in which it is not advisable to fast. A small portion of the population has an inborn error of metabolism whereby they lack an enzyme that is needed to process fatty acids. Since fatty acids are needed as an alternate source of energy during a fast, it would not be safe for such a person to pursue a fast of significant duration. This disorder can be recognized early in the fasting process by a trained observer.


Intake of certain medications, certain liver and kidney disorders, states of extreme weakness or malnutrition, pregnancy, and certain types and stages of cancer are other examples of conditions that are not conducive to fasting.


Q. Can fasting cure specific conditions?
A: It's important to keep in mind that fasting is not a cure for specific health challenges. Rather, it is an opportunity to give the body a prolonged period of rest to do what it does best – heal and restore itself. The same healing mechanisms that are at work during a fast are also at work while a person is eating. The difference is that during a fast, all of the body's resources are channeled towards its self-healing and restorative mechanisms.


Conditions that tend to respond favourably to fasting and dietary modification include high blood pressure, asthma, allergies, chronic headaches, inflammatory bowel disease (ulcerative colitis and Crohn’s disease), irritable bowel syndrome, adult onset diabetes, heart disease, degenerative arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis, eczema, acne, uterine fibroids, benign tumours, and systemic lupus erythematosus.


Q. How much weight will I lose if I fast?
A. On average, a typical faster loses approximately one pound per day during a water-only fast. Initially, the loss may approach two or even three pounds per day for the first few days if the person is retaining significant sodium and water. This can decrease to approximately half a pound per day in the later stages of a fast. From day two onward, the body begins utilizing fatty tissues for energy, thereby conserving as much muscle tissue as possible, a mechanism called protein sparing.


Q. What is the difference between water fasting and juice fasting?
A. During a water fast, only water is consumed. During a juice fast, any variety of fruit and vegetable juices are consumed.
People detoxify and heal more quickly with a water fast than with a juice fast. This is because with a water fast, your digestive passageway and organs are able to rest completely, allowing for all of your energy to be used for cleansing and repair of damaged tissues. With a juice fast or a cleansing diet of fruits and vegetables, your body must use energy to digest nutrients, leaving less available energy for detoxification and healing. When a person's health condition is related to a weak or damaged digestive system, recovery may depend on fully resting the digestive passageway and organs through water fasting.


Another significant difference is that more fat tissue is burned during a water fast, as your body must rely exclusively on fat reserves to supply its energy needs after the first 1-3 days of water fasting. Your body stores the bulk of incoming toxins in your fat reserves. As these reserves are burned for energy during a fast, any stored toxins will be released into your circulation, to be eliminated through various eliminative channels like your urine and respiratory tract. This mechanism of detoxification also occurs with juice fasting, but at a slower pace.



All of this considered, both types of fasting can be used with effectiveness, depending on your circumstances and goals. If your situation and goals include wanting or needing to make significant gains in your health in a short period of time, water fasting may be the best route. If a person has a long history of taking extremely toxic drugs like certain chemotherapeutic agents, an intense period of detoxification through water fasting can cause damage to the kidneys. In this type of circumstance, juice fasting or a simple diet of organic vegetables and fruits may be the best first step to recovery.



Finally, a water fast is most effective when you are able to get a lot of physical and emotional rest. If your life circumstances don't allow this, juice fasting is a better choice.



Q. Won't my metabolism slow down during and after the fast, causing me to gain back more weight over the long haul?
A. Metabolic rate fluctuates according to our moment-to-moment physiological needs. When we are active, our metabolic rate speeds up. When we sleep, our metabolic rate slows down. In the same way, when we fast, our metabolic rate slows down because our physiological needs are lower than they are when we are consuming food and going about our regular activities. When a fast is broken and a person returns to eating and more activity, her metabolic rate increases to match her increasing physiological needs.


What does change during a fast is our digestive and assimilative capacity. Fasting provides an opportunity for our digestive organs to heal and make more efficient use of the nutrients in the foods that we consume. Weight gain or loss is always a simple function of how many calories we take in versus how many we expend. If your primary goal is to be at a healthful weight for your unique disposition, the optimal approach is usually to combine an unprocessed, whole food diet with a regular aerobic exercise and strength-training program.
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I lasted almost 24 days :tu

[Shastafarian]

I expected for you to spew that nonsense, I really did :lol.Science in nonsense? Oh right I forgot you go to Rob Schneiders school for body stuff and junk. :lol


In fact a water or juice fast done right heals all of those things instead lol. Gives you better awareness, helps your brain and cures you.Cures you of what? :lol And no you're wrong. The brain needs glucose and 3 weeks of glucose deprivation to the brain is certainly NOT good for it.

And my daughter doesn't need any fasting, thankfully to my wonderful decision to keep poisons away from her. When she is an adult, if she wants to fast that is her decision. But thanks for trying to play parent.You're welcome. You need some help. What does the girl's mother think of this?

I told you to quit, you will continue to be wrong, and sadly you all believe the lies you have been told by Big Pharma.Only I haven't learned them from BigPharma. Unlike you I don't learn from the internet


Guess what I also cured my gallstones naturally too with a heart. liver gallbladder cleanse, when the doctors told me I needed surgery lol.Oh and your stones disappeared? When did you have the confirming diagnostics?

[Shastafarian]

Shasta, you don't actually believe the "Only water for 3 weeks!" story from him, do you :lol

He seems to believe it :lol

This is all pretty funny. Except when talking about his daughter. Sounds like he's teaching her some pretty backwards things when it comes to health.

[Shastafarian]

Btw gallstones and gallbladder problems tend to happen when a person fasts. LOL

Do you follow holistic medicine as well? Do you think substances get MORE potent the more you dilute them?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Tbh, it's one thing for the tinfoil nuts to have their own weird/backwards beliefs. I feel sorry for their kids :lol

[SA210]

Science in nonsense? Oh right I forgot you go to Rob Schneiders school for body stuff and junk. :lol

Programmed profit driven science paid for by Big Pharma is. The Rob Schneider jab didn't help you btw lol


Cures you of what? :lol And no you're wrong. The brain needs glucose and 3 weeks of glucose deprivation to the brain is certainly NOT good for it.
You're welcome. You need some help. What does the girl's mother think of this?

It cures many things. I guess you missed what I posted by the Doctor. You don't know anything about it really, so why continue to comment on something you know nothing about. Oh and if you ever did any reading, you would have read I'm a single parent too, no mom in the picture :tu I've done pretty well.


Only I haven't learned them from BigPharma. Unlike you I don't learn from the internet

You only have Big Pharma taught answers, so yea, you're wrong lol


Oh and your stones disappeared? When did you have the confirming diagnostics?

At the doctors office, the stones showed up after I went in after a gallstone attack, they said I needed to have them removed, I chose not to, went home and did my cleanse over a couple days and I showed up afterward to show the doctor and new tests confirmed I didn't have them anymore :tu lol

It was hilarious. Years of Med school taught him they had to cut them out. He looked crushed lol

Do some reading buddy. :tu It'll help you




http://drbenkim.com/fasting.html


Historical records tell us that fasting has been used for health recovery for thousands of years. Hippocrates, Socrates, and Plato all recommended fasting for health recovery. The Bible tells us that Moses and Jesus fasted for 40 days for spiritual renewal. Mahatma Gandhi fasted for 21 days to promote respect and compassion between people with different religions.
For much of human history, fasting has been guided by intuition and spiritual purpose. Today, our understanding of human physiology confirms the powerful healing effects of fasting.


Fasting is a powerful therapeutic process that can help people recover from mild to severe health conditions. Some of the most common ones are high blood pressure, asthma, allergies, chronic headaches, inflammatory bowel disease (ulcerative colitis and Crohn’s disease), irritable bowel syndrome, adult onset diabetes, heart disease, degenerative arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis, eczema, acne, uterine fibroids, benign tumours, and systemic lupus erythematosus.


Fasting provides a period of concentrated physiological rest during which time the body can devote its self-healing mechanisms to repairing and strengthening damaged organs. The process of fasting also allows the body to cleanse cells of accumulated toxins and waste products.


Fasting gives the digestive tract time to completely rest and strengthen its mucosal lining. A healthy intestinal mucosal lining is necessary for preventing the leakage of incompletely digested proteins into the bloodstream, thereby offering protection against autoimmune conditions. A healthy digestive tract also helps to protect the blood and inner organs against a variety of environmental and metabolic toxins.
A fast that is appropriate for your situation will allow for you to experience some or all of the following:


More energy
Healthier skin
Healthier teeth and gums
Better quality sleep
A clean and healthy cardiovascular system
A decrease in anxiety and tension
Dramatic reduction or complete elimination of aches and pains in muscles and joints
Decrease or elimination of headaches
Stabilization of blood pressure
Stronger and more efficient digestion
Stabilization of bowel movements
Loss of excess weight
Elimination of stored toxins
Improvement with a wide variety of chronic degenerative health conditions, including autoimmune disorders

It is important to understand that the detoxifying and healing processes that occur during a fast are also active when a person is consuming food. A fast can be helpful for people whose conditions are not improving as quickly as they would like, or for people who have health conditions that require a concentrated period of healing to resolve. It is also important to understand that the most important part of a fast is how a person lives after the fast. Fasting can provide a clean and revitalized foundation upon which you can build and maintain a strong and well-conditioned body by consistently making healthy food and lifestyle choices.


What follows are answers to commonly asked questions about fasting:

Q. How do I know if I need to fast?
A: The answer to this question depends on your health status and goals. For many people, adopting an unprocessed, whole food diet, engaging in a sensible exercise program, acquiring restful sleep, and living in a relatively unpolluted environment will provide the necessary conditions to recover and maintain vibrant health. If a person is having a difficult time making necessary dietary and lifestyle changes, fasting can be a powerful way of accelerating health recovery. Fasting can also reset the sensitivity of the nervous system, providing an effective way of overcoming dependencies on caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, other recreational drugs, salt, sugar, and other stimulants. After fasting, many people marvel at how sweet romaine lettuce is, how refreshing apples are, and how wonderfully delicious baked potatoes are – without sour cream and butter! Many of us have been eating rich, salty, and sweetened foods for so long that we are unaware of how good foods taste in their natural, unprocessed states.
Some people choose to fast in the absence of overt symptoms of disease, knowing that a period of complete physiological rest can allow the body to rejuvenate itself from the toxins that build up in our tissues despite our efforts to live healthfully.


Q. How long should I fast for?
A. If you choose to fast to recover from acute illness, you can fast until you feel well enough to eat again. In the case of a chronic health challenge, the length of the fast is determined by the progress of the fast. The healing processes that take place during a fast are predictable. Blood levels of cholesterol and uric acid tend to elevate during a fast, a result of the body stirring up stores of undesirable materials and expelling them into the circulation to be eliminated from the body. Shortly after the fast, these levels tend to be lower than they were before the fast, indicating a cleaner system. ESR, a marker for inflammation, tends to decrease during the course of a fast. As a part of the detoxification process, some people experience vomiting, diarrhea, headaches, dizziness, skin rashes, and other uncomfortable symptoms. Fasting under the supervision of a health care professional who is trained to distinguish healing responses from harmful processes can be helpful in allowing a person to "ride out" uncomfortable symptoms of detoxification.
It is not uncommon for people to experience significant improvement in their health from fasting between 3 and 30 days. The idea is to fast as briefly as possible, but as long as is necessary to allow the body to restore health.


Q. Can anyone fast?
A. There are a handful of exceptional circumstances in which it is not advisable to fast. A small portion of the population has an inborn error of metabolism whereby they lack an enzyme that is needed to process fatty acids. Since fatty acids are needed as an alternate source of energy during a fast, it would not be safe for such a person to pursue a fast of significant duration. This disorder can be recognized early in the fasting process by a trained observer.


Intake of certain medications, certain liver and kidney disorders, states of extreme weakness or malnutrition, pregnancy, and certain types and stages of cancer are other examples of conditions that are not conducive to fasting.


Q. Can fasting cure specific conditions?
A: It's important to keep in mind that fasting is not a cure for specific health challenges. Rather, it is an opportunity to give the body a prolonged period of rest to do what it does best – heal and restore itself. The same healing mechanisms that are at work during a fast are also at work while a person is eating. The difference is that during a fast, all of the body's resources are channeled towards its self-healing and restorative mechanisms.


Conditions that tend to respond favourably to fasting and dietary modification include high blood pressure, asthma, allergies, chronic headaches, inflammatory bowel disease (ulcerative colitis and Crohn’s disease), irritable bowel syndrome, adult onset diabetes, heart disease, degenerative arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis, eczema, acne, uterine fibroids, benign tumours, and systemic lupus erythematosus.


Q. How much weight will I lose if I fast?
A. On average, a typical faster loses approximately one pound per day during a water-only fast. Initially, the loss may approach two or even three pounds per day for the first few days if the person is retaining significant sodium and water. This can decrease to approximately half a pound per day in the later stages of a fast. From day two onward, the body begins utilizing fatty tissues for energy, thereby conserving as much muscle tissue as possible, a mechanism called protein sparing.


Q. What is the difference between water fasting and juice fasting?
A. During a water fast, only water is consumed. During a juice fast, any variety of fruit and vegetable juices are consumed.
People detoxify and heal more quickly with a water fast than with a juice fast. This is because with a water fast, your digestive passageway and organs are able to rest completely, allowing for all of your energy to be used for cleansing and repair of damaged tissues. With a juice fast or a cleansing diet of fruits and vegetables, your body must use energy to digest nutrients, leaving less available energy for detoxification and healing. When a person's health condition is related to a weak or damaged digestive system, recovery may depend on fully resting the digestive passageway and organs through water fasting.


Another significant difference is that more fat tissue is burned during a water fast, as your body must rely exclusively on fat reserves to supply its energy needs after the first 1-3 days of water fasting. Your body stores the bulk of incoming toxins in your fat reserves. As these reserves are burned for energy during a fast, any stored toxins will be released into your circulation, to be eliminated through various eliminative channels like your urine and respiratory tract. This mechanism of detoxification also occurs with juice fasting, but at a slower pace.



All of this considered, both types of fasting can be used with effectiveness, depending on your circumstances and goals. If your situation and goals include wanting or needing to make significant gains in your health in a short period of time, water fasting may be the best route. If a person has a long history of taking extremely toxic drugs like certain chemotherapeutic agents, an intense period of detoxification through water fasting can cause damage to the kidneys. In this type of circumstance, juice fasting or a simple diet of organic vegetables and fruits may be the best first step to recovery.



Finally, a water fast is most effective when you are able to get a lot of physical and emotional rest. If your life circumstances don't allow this, juice fasting is a better choice.



Q. Won't my metabolism slow down during and after the fast, causing me to gain back more weight over the long haul?
A. Metabolic rate fluctuates according to our moment-to-moment physiological needs. When we are active, our metabolic rate speeds up. When we sleep, our metabolic rate slows down. In the same way, when we fast, our metabolic rate slows down because our physiological needs are lower than they are when we are consuming food and going about our regular activities. When a fast is broken and a person returns to eating and more activity, her metabolic rate increases to match her increasing physiological needs.


What does change during a fast is our digestive and assimilative capacity. Fasting provides an opportunity for our digestive organs to heal and make more efficient use of the nutrients in the foods that we consume. Weight gain or loss is always a simple function of how many calories we take in versus how many we expend. If your primary goal is to be at a healthful weight for your unique disposition, the optimal approach is usually to combine an unprocessed, whole food diet with a regular aerobic exercise and strength-training program.
================================================== =====


I lasted almost 24 days :tu

[SA210]

Btw gallstones and gallbladder problems tend to happen when a person fasts. LOL

Do you follow holistic medicine as well? Do you think substances get MORE potent the more you dilute them?

Nah, the gallstones were before my fast, and I don't have a gallstone problem now. :tu

Jeez, Big Pharma has taught you wrong. lol

[SA210]

Tbh, it's one thing for the tinfoil nuts to have their own weird/backwards beliefs. I feel sorry for their kids :lol

Oh my, my daughter hasn't been sick at all in over 10 years, oh my God what to do!

:rollin

[Shastafarian]

Historical records tell us that fasting has been used for health recovery for thousands of years. Hippocrates, Socrates, and Plato all recommended fasting for health recovery. The Bible tells us that Moses and Jesus fasted for 40 days for spiritual renewal. Mahatma Gandhi fasted for 21 days to promote respect and compassion between people with different religions.
For much of human history, fasting has been guided by intuition and spiritual purpose. Today, our understanding of human physiology confirms the powerful healing effects of fasting.So his examples are from thousands of years ago, unconfirmed biblical tales, and a man who fasted as protest. Why should we doubt the health recommendations from people who didn't even know what microbes are? I'd also like to take advice on anesthesia, aseptic technique, and surgery from those gentlemen.


Fasting is a powerful therapeutic process that can help people recover from mild to severe health conditions. Some of the most common ones are high blood pressure, asthma, allergies, chronic headaches, inflammatory bowel disease (ulcerative colitis and Crohn’s disease), irritable bowel syndrome, adult onset diabetes, heart disease, degenerative arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis, eczema, acne, uterine fibroids, benign tumours, and systemic lupus erythematosus.This man is very good at listing diseases. It would be nice if he outlines HOW fasting helped with all those things. But he doesn't.



Fasting provides a period of concentrated physiological rest during which time the body can devote its self-healing mechanisms to repairing and strengthening damaged organs. The process of fasting also allows the body to cleanse cells of accumulated toxins and waste products. Absolute bull. Cells need nutrients or they can't function. Ions, glucose, minerals, vitamins, etc are all needed for cellular machinery. Water can have trace minerals, though it sounds like you were drinking at the very least purified water. So you were lacking in many things your cells needed to function.



Fasting gives the digestive tract time to completely rest and strengthen its mucosal lining.Properly rest??? You don't want your gi tract to "rest". It will lead to upregulation of receptors and hypermotility when you do start eating again. Also, it isn't good for your gallbladder as noted before. It promotes stasis of biliary mechanisms leading to precipitation of compounds (causing stones). It also needs to be very active or there will be bacterial overgrowth which could lead to systemic infection. Knowledge gleaned from actual teaching, not BigPharma or the internet.

A healthy intestinal mucosal lining is necessary for preventing the leakage of incompletely digested proteins into the bloodstream, thereby offering protection against autoimmune conditions. A healthy digestive tract also helps to protect the blood and inner organs against a variety of environmental and metabolic toxins.
All true. Only drinking a diet of water accomplishes none of that.


A fast that is appropriate for your situation will allow for you to experience some or all of the following:


More energy - How?
Healthier skin - How?
Healthier teeth and gums - How?
Better quality sleep - How?
A clean and healthy cardiovascular system - How?
A decrease in anxiety and tension - How?
Dramatic reduction or complete elimination of aches and pains in muscles and joints - How?
Decrease or elimination of headaches - How?
Stabilization of blood pressure - How?
Stronger and more efficient digestion - How?
Stabilization of bowel movements - How?
Loss of excess weight - LOL and muscle
Elimination of stored toxins - How?
Improvement with a wide variety of chronic degenerative health conditions, including autoimmune disorders - How?



It is important to understand that the detoxifying and healing processes that occur during a fast are also active when a person is consuming food. A fast can be helpful for people whose conditions are not improving as quickly as they would like,Let's speed along the health process because that always works.

or for people who have health conditions that require a concentrated period of healing to resolve. lolwut


You want me to go through his Q&A too? Is he even a real doctor? Did he go to Medical School? Or did he go to a bullshit holistic medical school?

[Shastafarian]

Nah, the gallstones were before my fast, and I don't have a gallstone problem now. :tu How do you know it's not subclinical?


Jeez, Big Pharma has taught you wrong. lol
:lol Thinking I haven't had an education in this.

[Shastafarian]

"Dr Kim states on his site that he is a “chiropractor and acupuncturist”. I see no other specialized qualifications other than his experience gained through treating his patients- which still doesn’t make him a credible authority on supplements"

:rollin:rollin:rollin

http://blog.nutritional-supplement-truths.com/opinion-on-dr-kims-greens-powder/

[SA210]

:rollin:lol

Go do some real research on Fasting for healing. It's impossible to talk to you because the way you think is flawed. You just don't get it, and it's funny that you don't know what I mean when I say that.

Forget everything you have learned and go do some research on Fasting for healing, then make your own honest opinion. Go and truly learn how your body works and what REAL Fasting on juices and water really does for you.

You are on Chump level now, completely full of it. lol

[SA210]

"Dr Kim states on his site that he is a “chiropractor and acupuncturist”. I see no other specialized qualifications other than his experience gained through treating his patients- which still doesn’t make him a credible authority on supplements"

:rollin:rollin:rollin

http://blog.nutritional-supplement-truths.com/opinion-on-dr-kims-greens-powder/

:rollin

That's exactly what I mean, you don't even understand how it is that you are wrong.

[Shastafarian]

:rollin:lol

Go do some real research on Fasting for healing. It's impossible to talk to you because the way you think is flawed. You just don't get it, and it's funny that you don't know what I mean when I say that.

Forget everything you have learned and go do some research on Fasting for healing, then make your own honest opinion. Go and truly learn how your body works and what REAL Fasting on juices and water really does for you.

You are on Chump level now, completely full of it. lol

It's not an opinion. It's scientific fact. Go do some research on organ systems. Oh wait you think peer reviewed literature is just BigPharma telling us what to do. Incredible.

[ChumpDumper]

Chump reminds me of this guy who I once saw trying to eat fish out of lake worth over here where there has been a ban on human consumption for years due to the PCB and other toxic chemicals. He wanted to know if I was going to throw my fish back and ask if he could have it..I tell him that the fish here aren't safe to eat and cause cancer and do you know what this redneck says? He goes "Awww I don't believe in all that, hell I got cancer right now and it sure as hell ain't from eating these fish for 30 years!"Actually, you and SA210 would eat the fish because you think eating nothing made you super immune to everything. Then you would have unprotected sex with multiple men because you think AIDS is just a CIA plot to collect the foreskins of newborn boys .


As Chump is typing, he has a box full of tissues on his desk, typing up a bunch of bullshit in favor of vaccines not even realizing why he has chronic allergies :lolI have no chronic allergies. :lol

[SA210]

It's not an opinion. It's scientific fact. Go do some research on organ systems. Oh wait you think peer reviewed literature is just BigPharma telling us what to do. Incredible.

And yet I survived a 23 day fast on water, healed myself from gallstones, migraine headaches, and haven't been sick in over 7 years, daughter hasn't been sick in 10, I have more energy, clear skin, healthy heart, liver, organs, etc than anyone I know who all take meds and vaccines :lol

[ChumpDumper]

You notice how SA210 started off bragging about living on nothing but water for three weeks then when called on it quickly walked back to add "juices" to his list.

Bitch just put a few bags of groceries in a blender and pretended he wasn't taking anything in.

[Shastafarian]

And yet I survived a 23 day fast on water, healed myself from gallstones, migraine headaches, and haven't been sick in over 7 years, daughter hasn't been sick in 10, I have more energy, clear skin, healthy heart, liver, organs, etc than anyone I know who all take meds and vaccines :lol

Kudos for remaining healthy in spite of your terrible methods of remaining healthy. I'm guessing if you continue to do things like this you'll have a major organ fail in 5-10 years. When was the last time you went to a REAL doctor? What's your blood pressure like? How about liver enzymes and function? I'm curious.

[ChumpDumper]

And yet I survived a 23 day fast on water, healed myself from gallstones, migraine headaches, and haven't been sick in over 7 years, daughter hasn't been sick in 10, I have more energy, clear skin, healthy heart, liver, organs, etc than anyone I know who all take meds and vaccines :lolHow did you measure the health of your heart, liver, organs, etc.?

[Shastafarian]

You notice how SA210 started off bragging about living on nothing but water for three weeks then when called on it quickly walked back to add "juices" to his list.

Bitch just put a few bags of groceries in a blender and pretended he wasn't taking anything in.

:lol

The online chiropractor told him it was ok.

[GoodOdor]

And yet I survived a 23 day fast on water, healed myself from gallstones, migraine headaches, and haven't been sick in over 7 years, daughter hasn't been sick in 10, I have more energy, clear skin, healthy heart, liver, organs, etc than anyone I know who all take meds and vaccines :lol

You should throw in there cance/ chronic ED, will make it sound much more impressive.

[Edward]

Why are all the tin-foil hatters health experts. They've discovered adverse health effects to countless different things no one else has ever heard of before. It's impressive tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol "Fuck med school-educated doctors, I only trust Z-list actor Rob Schneider with my healthcare needs"

[Shastafarian]

Is it gullibility or just plain ignorance?

[SA210]

:lol "Fuck med school-educated doctors, I only trust Z-list actor Rob Schneider with my healthcare needs"

Not really. I'm living proof of it. :tu

[SA210]

Is it gullibility or just plain ignorance?

On your part I'd say that's very true, gullibility and plain ignorance.

Btw, I only did a water fast, others choose juice if they like. :tu

[SA210]

:lol

The online chiropractor told him it was ok.

Nah, I knew this stuff way before I knew about him. :tu

[Shastafarian]

On your part I'd say that's very true, gullibility and plain ignorance.

Btw, I only did a water fast, others choose juice if they like. :tu

I realize no one's mind ever gets changes here but man do you need to read up on things. Read actual scientific papers. Maybe take a class or two on nutrition. Hell see a nutritionist and they'll tell you how dangerous the things you're talking about can be. Online chiropractor :rollin

Please tell me where you've done your "research"

[SA210]

Kudos for remaining healthy in spite of your terrible methods of remaining healthy. I'm guessing if you continue to do things like this you'll have a major organ fail in 5-10 years. When was the last time you went to a REAL doctor? What's your blood pressure like? How about liver enzymes and function? I'm curious.

Yet I'm healthy now and no failure and great working organs as we speak. :lol

I like that you can't argue on the subject so you make made up predictions for the future lol

How many kids do you know that haven't even had a minor cold in 10 years? :rollin

[Shastafarian]

What level conspiracy theorist are you? Are you moon landing was faked level?

[SA210]

I realize no one's mind ever gets changes here but man do you need to read up on things. Read actual scientific papers. Maybe take a class or two on nutrition. Hell see a nutritionist and they'll tell you how dangerous the things you're talking about can be. Online chiropractor :rollin

Please tell me where you've done your "research"

:lmao @ people completely lost on "real" nutrition telling someone else that is healthier than they are to study nutrition.

Just like the doctor that diagnosed me with gallstones, then shortly later admitted they were now gone without his surgery. Med school missed that one didn't they lol

[Shastafarian]

Yet I'm healthy now and no failure and great working organs as we speak. :lolWhat is your resting BP? How about liver functions and enzymes?


I like that you can't argue on the subject so you make made up predictions for the future lol
Unfortunately for you I'm not making it up. Organs can't withstand prolonged periods of insult as you're describing. From the sounds of it your liver will go first. You might even get edema in the abdomen (why emaciated kids in poor countries have large abdomens).


How many kids do you know that haven't even had a minor cold in 10 years? :rollin0, making it more likely she just hasn't encountered the things that can make her very sick...yet. Seriously no immune system is good enough to fight off every microorganism from birth. I personally think you're just lying.

[Shastafarian]

:lmao @ people completely lost on "real" nutrition telling someone else that is healthier than they are to study nutrition.How do you know you're healthier than I am? My resting BP is 115/75. All my liver enzymes and functions are within normal limits.


Just like the doctor that diagnosed me with gallstones, then shortly later admitted they were now gone without his surgery. Med school missed that one didn't they lol
So you had testing done to confirm the stones were gone?

[SA210]

What level conspiracy theorist are you? Are you moon landing was faked level?


Labeling something a "conspiracy theory" is the new phrase used to marginalize a topic you know nothing about. IMO, those who bark "conspiracy theory" about everything that doesn't fit into the nice little box of the status quo are those who have not taken the time to research something they know nothing about. Rather like DOCTORS marginalizing patients who do their homework and refuse vaccines and drugs.

http://drtenpenny.com/home/

:rollin

[SA210]

What is your resting BP? How about liver functions and enzymes?

Unfortunately for you I'm not making it up. Organs can't withstand prolonged periods of insult as you're describing. From the sounds of it your liver will go first. You might even get edema in the abdomen (why emaciated kids in poor countries have large abdomens).

0, making it more likely she just hasn't encountered the things that can make her very sick...yet. Seriously no immune system is good enough to fight off every microorganism from birth. I personally think you're just lying.

Yea, I know you think. You just don't know though, there is a lot you don't know because you misunderstand it completely. lol Happy sickness though! Thanks for answering ZERO lol

It's sad that you would rather argue over nonsense than to just go do some real research on Fasting for healing. lol

[Shastafarian]

You think bigpharma is using a conspiracy of knowledge to administer unnecessary vaccines. How is that not a conspiracy theory?

Is Dr. Tenpenny another online chiropractor?

[Shastafarian]

Yea, I know you think. You just don't know though, there is a lot you don't know. lol Happy sickness! Thanks for answering ZERO lol

I have answered everything actually :lol

All you have said is you're healthy from fasting and not getting vaccines.

[Shastafarian]

Do you think the moon landing was faked? How about 9/11? Was it an inside job? Why can't you answer my questions?

[Shastafarian]

It's sad that you would rather argue over nonsense than to just go do some real research on Fasting for healing. lol

You're refusing to do actual scientific based research. I don't need to do more research on fasting because I understand organ systems and cellular pathways. You do not.

Tell me how blood pressure works. Indicate which receptors types are on vessels and how they work to regulate tone. Thanks.

[SA210]

Do you think the moon landing was faked? How about 9/11? Was it an inside job? Why can't you answer my questions?




labeling something a "conspiracy theory" is the new phrase used to marginalize a topic you know nothing about. IMO, those who bark "conspiracy theory" about everything that doesn't fit into the nice little box of the status quo are those who have not taken the time to research something they know nothing about. Rather like DOCTORS marginalizing patients who do their homework and refuse vaccines and drugs.


:lmao

[Shastafarian]

Refusing to answer questions :lol

[SA210]

You're refusing to do actual scientific based research. I don't need to do more research on fasting because I understand organ systems and cellular pathways. You do not.

Tell me how blood pressure works. Indicate which receptors types are on vessels and how they work to regulate tone. Thanks.

:lol You only think you know haha

My blood pressure is fine btw, thanks for asking. Remember I haven't been sick in a while. I know that bothers you. I know you feel that you studied the wrong thing for so many years and to do any other research would entail you having to admit this. I have to go, Daddy has to check the daughters homework and call it a night. Wow it was fun owning a bunch of sick morons.

:rollin

[SA210]

Refusing to answer questions :lol

Oh what's wrong, I thought you were vetting Dr. Tenpenny :rollin

Goodnight my sick friend. lol

[Shastafarian]

:rollin

It's been fun :tu

[Shastafarian]

Oh what's wrong, I thought you were vetting Dr. Tenpenny :rollin

Goodnight my sick friend. lol

Refusing to answer questions :lol

[Shastafarian]

have to go, Daddy has to check the daughters homework and call it a night.
Good thing she's too young to have biology homework

[ChumpDumper]

He never told us how he measured the health of his liver, organs, etc.

[Shastafarian]

He didn't answer questions with anything other than "I haven't been sick for 7 years". Oh and providing us with online "doctors" who support his agenda.

[SnakeBoy]

How do you know you're healthier than I am? My resting BP is 115/75. All my liver enzymes and functions are within normal limits.


That kinda sucks tbh. What's your lipid panel like?

[ChumpDumper]

He didn't answer questions with anything other than "I haven't been sick for 7 years". Oh and providing us with online "doctors" who support his agenda.Maybe he got an online biopsy.

[Shastafarian]

That kinda sucks tbh. What's your lipid panel like?

It's a bit low in the normal range. My lipid panel is fine. LDL was around 50, maybe a bit lower last time I had it checked. I'm sick though! lol

[Shastafarian]

The morons denying government involvement in killing all those innocent people are scared little bitches who are too afraid to actually open their minds and look into things deeper with some kind of logic, for fear that it would take some effort from their boring loser lives that help do nothing but make America the shit that it has become. Spineless fucks.

:lol

[Woo Bum-kon]

:lol "Go do some real research on the subject" is basically SA210's way of admitting he doesn't know what he is talking about.

He places more importance on his personal experiences and some quack "doctor" than on peer-reviewed research.

[Bill_Brasky]

SA210 trollin'

[MannyIsGod]

SA210 trollin'

Nah, I really doubt it. SA210 seems to buy into many conspiracy theories so I'm not shocked he's bought into one telling him vaccines are bad. Some of the things he mentions aren't bad things. I do think you can do without many medications doctors will default to simply be eating healthier and living a healthy lifestyle but that has absolutely nothing to do with the effectiveness of vaccination.

Snake Boy is right though. Luckily for his daughter she's not in a huge amount of danger due to the fact that many of these diseases have been eradicated through the use of vaccination. But the problem is that once she's an adult if she ever travels anywhere these diseases are more prevalent she's going to be at a much higher risk than a person who has been vaccinated and these diseases are generally much worse to adults. The idea that "she hasn't been sick in 10 years" is nice and all, but all its gonna take is one bought with a disease that could have been prevented by a vaccination to make that all moot. Its a big ass gamble to take with your childs life as it yeilds no benefit at all. You can easily help your child live a healthy life and have them vaccinated.

[SnakeBoy]

It's a bit low in the normal range. My lipid panel is fine. LDL was around 50, maybe a bit lower last time I had it checked. I'm sick though! lol

Disregard my previous comment. I asked my wife and apparently I'm full of shit lol. Mine's 80/60 and I'm the abnormal one :lol.

[SA210]

:downspin:


PWbaIEaAsu4

[ChumpDumper]

:downspin:


PWbaIEaAsu4lol hour long YouTube.

Classic twoofer move.

[SA210]

:downspin:


PWbaIEaAsu4




:rollin suckas

mcOdYuJ0swI

dyJBYZJZEUQ

[Wild Cobra]

It's not a mystery. Austism rates increase with the age of the parents.
I've heard that before, and it wouldn't surprise me if that is the cause for the change. Just remember, correlation does not mean causation.

[Shastafarian]

Rob Schneider, youtubes, online "doctors"


Mercola dismisses medical concerns over an avian influenza pandemic, asserting that the government, big business, and the mainstream media have conspired to promote the threat of avian flu in order to accrue money and power.
:rollin foilhead osteopathic doctor

[boutons_deux]

You can do a LOT WORSE than Mercola for health advice, like try to get health advice from your garden-variety money-grubbing mainstream doc.

[Drachen]

lol quick everyone scoff

i don't get why you guys have responded to the thread this way, there is a lot of evidence to show that vaccines aren't anything you should be putting into your body. there are a few where there is a real need, but all that yearly flu shot bs started us down a slippery slope now they got a vaccine for everything. some of the chemicals in those things aren't good and they've been known to cause autism and cancer. i wouldn't get any more shots than i had to, not to mention relying on shots to prevent you from getting stuff like the flu is just going to weaken your immune system. i haven't been sick in like 8 years, and that's largely because I say the FUCK away from doctors/hospitals.

I am not trying to convince you to get the flu shot, because I don't care and don't usually get it myself, but you don't understand how the flu shot works. Your immune system won't be weaker because it hasn't had the chance to fight the flu (as you suggest). The flu shot GIVES you the flu, albeit a weakened version of it (or more specifically 3 seperate strains of it per year). This allows your body a chance to build up its defenses in the event that you contract the flu from other means.

[desflood]

Why do people take celebrities seriously?

[RandomGuy]

bought with a disease

bout with disease.

[RandomGuy]

lol hour long YouTube.

Classic twoofer move.

:lol

But, but, but, I saw it on the internet, it must be true. Someone even made a video about it!

[SA210]

:rollin suckas

mcOdYuJ0swI

dyJBYZJZEUQ


:tu lol

[SA210]

:lol

But, but, but, I saw it on the internet, it must be true. Someone even made a video about it!

:lol Typical response from someone who wants to criticize while again not knowing shit about it or even trying to learn about it lol.

But, but, but, I saw RandomGuy criticize me on the internet, it must be true, i mean he didn't even watch the video or the facts they talk about in it, though he still formed an opinion! lol

And, and, and, and morons like him, Shastafaria and others forget that these doctors are doctors in real life with real patients, real results and facts that back up their claims and they don't solely exist online as mere figments of the conspiracy minded! :lmao

Now THIS is hilarious though haha..CumDumpster can spend hours upon hours, and days upon days, weeks upon weeks, months upon months, years upon years and the entire past DECADE neglecting his own value of life and his family's by spending endless days and nights trolling the basketball forums spewing garbage with no real opinions ever, but a one hour YouTube is too much :lmao Typical way to avoid facts lol

It might just make him feel like the retard he is and teach him something...nah he can't have that, he has more important things to do like build on his 71000 posts by saying things like "melt down" "bots" "you're the whiner, I'm not whining" "lol post smack" "what do you think happened":rollin

Take some Vitamin D3 fellas and stay away from that flu vaccine, you might just start feeling better and brighten up a bit lol

mcOdYuJ0swI

dyJBYZJZEUQ

[mavs>spurs]

I am not trying to convince you to get the flu shot, because I don't care and don't usually get it myself, but you don't understand how the flu shot works. Your immune system won't be weaker because it hasn't had the chance to fight the flu (as you suggest). The flu shot GIVES you the flu, albeit a weakened version of it (or more specifically 3 seperate strains of it per year). This allows your body a chance to build up its defenses in the event that you contract the flu from other means.


Vancouver researcher finds flu shot is linked to H1N1 illness


BY HELEN BRANSWELL, CANADIAN PRESS SEPTEMBER 10, 2012 7:01 AM

A strange vaccine-related phenomenon spotted in Canada at the start of the 2009 flu pandemic may well have been real, a new study suggests.

Researchers, led by Vancouver's Dr. Danuta Skowronski, an influenza expert at the B.C. Centre for Disease Control, noticed in the early weeks of the pandemic that people who got a flu shot for the 2008-09 winter seemed to be more likely to get infected with the pandemic virus than people who hadn't received a flu shot.

Five studies done in several provinces showed the same unsettling results. But initially research outside Canada did not, and the effect was dismissed as a "Canadian problem," a problem with the flu vaccine used in Canada.

But a new study suggests the findings were real.

Skowronski and a group of researchers have recreated the event in ferrets. Their findings were presented Sun-day at the Interscience Conference on Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy, a major international infectious diseases conference taking place in San Francisco.

Skowronski, who outlined the work at a webcast press conference, worked with 32 ferrets, giving half the 2008 seasonal flu shot and the rest a placebo injection. The work was blinded, meaning the researchers didn't know which ferrets received which shot. Later, all the ferrets were infected with the pandemic H1N1 virus.

The ferrets in the vaccine group became significantly sicker than the other animals, though all recovered.

"The findings are consistent with the increased risk that we saw in the human studies," Skowronski said.

The reason is unclear and Skowronski urged other research groups to take up the question. She said it's important to get to the root before the next pandemic. But in the meantime, Skow-ronski insisted the findings should not deter people from getting flu shots.

[mavs>spurs]

This is exactly what I'm trying to tell you guys

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/niko-kyriakou/swine-flu-didnt-fly_b_438783.html


Swine Flu Didn't Fly

For makers of the swine flu vaccine, 2009 was a year to remember. By June, CSL Limited's annual profits had risen 63 percent over 2008. GlaxoSmithKine's 2009 earnings spiked 30 percent in the third quarter alone, to $2.19 billion. Roche made a stunning 12 times more in the second quarter of 2009 than of 2008. But in 2010, drug companies may get their comeuppance.

On Tuesday, the Council of Europe launched an investigation into whether the World Health Organization "faked" the swine flu pandemic to boost profits for vaccine manufacturers. The inquiry, held in Strasbourg, France, vindicates a worldwide movement of insiders, experts, and elected officials who accuse the United Nations organization of misleading the world into buying millions of unnecessary vaccines.

"I have never heard such a worldwide echo to a health political action," Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, an epidemiologist who formerly led the health committee for the Council of Europe, said at Tuesday's hearing.

Dr. Ulrich Keil, director of the WHO's Collaborating Centre for Epidemiology, hammered his own organization and WHO's flu chief, Dr Keiji Fukuda, for "producing angst campaigns".

"With SARS, with avian flu, always the predictions are wrong...Why don't we learn from history?" Keil said. "It [swine flu] produced a lot of turmoil in the pubic and was completely exaggerated in contrast with all the really important matters we have to deal with in public health."

Last year the World Health Organization predicted that H1N1 could infect two billion and claim hundreds of thousands of lives, while President Obama's science advisers said the outbreak could infect up to 120 million Americans and kill 90,000. But thankfully, H1N1 turned out to be a mild flu. The type-A influenza has taken around 14,000 lives worldwide, according to World Health Organization numbers from January 22. The CDC said in December confirmed US deaths had reached 4,000, although it recently estimated that due to underreporting, the true death toll could be as high as 16,500 - a tragic sum, but less than half of what the CDC attributes to seasonal flu-related illness. In most of the northern hemisphere, hog flu has been on the decline for some about three months. New transmissions are largely contained to North Africa and South Asia, according to the WHO.

Signs swine flu wasn't much of a killer grew throughout 2009, but WHO and most domestic health agencies around the globe chose instead to man the war bugles at full volume. The result was that governments poured tens of billions of dollars into vaccines. The US alone has spent $2 billion on the drugs and has allocated $7.5 billion in supplemental spending for H1N1 preparedness.

With the disease basically over, however, countries are stuck with millions of unused doses. French and German governments have had to cancel millions of orders of the vaccines due to falling demand and late-breaking news that European health authorities had recommended twice the necessary dosage. The CDC has dealt with the glut in another way. It now says all Americans should go and get the shot - a shift from its earlier recommendation that at-risk groups such as the young, sick, pregnant, and nurses seek injections first. But why should everyone get a shot when that the disease is petering out?

On January 22, WHO issued a statement calling allegations that it irresponsibly stoked H1N1 fears, "scientifically wrong and historically incorrect." The statement defends figures WHO publicized on transmission rates, mortality, and the virulence of swine flu.

"The world is going through a real pandemic. The description of it as a fake is wrong and irresponsible. We welcome any legitimate review process that can improve our work."

At the hearing, WHO's flu director, Dr Keiji Fukuda, denied the accusations against WHO.

"Let me state clearly for the record - the influenza pandemic policies and responses recommended and taken by WHO were not improperly influenced by the pharmaceutical industry."

Previously, WHO had offered scant response to allegations of corruption, but deigned to defend itself after the Council of Europe meeting was announced. The public meeting to examine accusations against WHO was set up by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE), which represents 800 million people in 47 countries. The Council's January 26 meeting involved WHO officials, European drug-makers, and medical experts. PACE's findings are expected to be announced January 29 and will likely be followed by an in-depth study and recommendations to European governments.

The hearing is just latest in a series of investigations into WHO's propriety, which also include a 2009 Danish Parliamentary review of links between WHO expert - Albert Osterhaus - and makers of the swine flu drugs. Russian lawmaker Igor Barinov has also started an inquiry into WHO's ties to H1N1 drug makers. In France, Health Minister Roselyne Bachelot was forced to a Paris court on January 4th over swine flu campaign irregularities - including ordering millions unnecessary vaccine doses. Demonstrations over statistical improprieties have taken place in Scotland and Canada.

Inquiries into WHO misdoing are likely to plunge deep into the statistical methods for data collection, however, it takes no expertise to see that health agencies' data about H1N1 was wildly misleading.

In addition to bad guesses about how many would die, a study released December 7 by the Harvard School of Public Health found that the WHO also estimated the deadliness of H1N1 to be 40 to 250 times higher than it was.

Proving the drug industry squeezed WHO into selling swine flu is very difficult to establish, but the string of clues which points to this corruption is not hard to follow.

Pandemic or just plain Panic?

Swine flu took center stage in June of 2009, when WHO declared H1N1 the first "pandemic" in 42 years. This move caught the eye of every health authority from Tampa to Timbuktu and revved drug company engines. But to do it, WHO had to redefine the word.

One month after swine flu appeared in April, WHO rewrote the definition of "pandemic". Under the new meaning, a pandemic does not need to cause high numbers of death or illness. A month after changing the definition, with just 144 people dead from H1N1, the flu was given the WHO's highest threat classification: a "stage-six pandemic alert". By comparison, the mildest 20th Century pandemic killed a million people.

Before the change, WHO had classified a pandemic as a disease that has "simultaneous epidemics worldwide with enormous numbers of deaths and illness." After the alteration, the organization's website stated that, "Pandemics can be either mild or severe in the illness and death they cause." In May, WHO spokesperson Natalie Boudou told CNN that the original definition was an error.

The Los Angeles Times writer Michael Fumento called the redefinition "bizarre". "Such a declaration could render the term "flu pandemic" essentially meaningless -- risking lethal public complacency if a bona fide one hits," Fumento wrote.

Tom Jefferson, Formerly a general practitioner in the British Army who has worked for the well-respected Cochrane Collaboration for 15 years, Jefferson asked in July: "Don't you think there's something noteworthy about the fact that the WHO has changed its definition of pandemic?"

"The WHO and public health officials, virologists and the pharmaceutical companies... They've built this machine around the impending pandemic," Jefferson told Der Spiegel, a German magazine with a weekly circulation of 1 million. "There's a lot of money involved, and influence, and careers, and entire institutions. And all it took was one of these influenza viruses to mutate to start the machine grinding."

Yet the WHO stands by its decision to label H1N1 a pandemic, citing geographic spread and the virus' novelty as its primary reasons. Moving ahead, Fukuda said his organization "will definitely consider whether we can define things better." But some participants in Tuesday's meeting wondered what the WHO is waiting for, since complaints have poured in from all sides.

The Associated Press reported on May 19, 2009, that China, Britain, Japan and other countries had urged WHO to "be very cautious about declaring the arrival of a swine flu pandemic, fearing that a premature announcement could cause worldwide panic and confusion."

Critics say what was needed was not a frightful label, but hard scientific data to show how many people were getting swine flu. But on July 10, the WHO quit tracking cases of infection and told governments they should stop testing for individual cases, ostensibly because the speed of H1N1's spread had already been confirmed.

"Rational scientific independent advice should be supreme, but there was an imperative behind this which was a financial one," said Paul Flynn, a parliamentary representative in the UK who spoke at the Council of Europe's hearing.

Corruption in Health Organizations?

Critics of the WHO say they promoted bad data to help drug makers get rich selling vaccines. This attack implies drug makers have a network of influence within the decision-making structure of the organization, a suggestion various officials confirm.

One high-level, long-term WHO employee who preferred to remain anonymous for job security, described the WHO as follows: "WHO is infested by corruption. There is big corruption, like the management of H1N1, and there is small corruption; and between the big and the small corruption there is [corruption] in all imaginable forms. Unfortunately, it's not only the WHO."

William Aldis, a retired senior WHO official who worked on the bird flu crisis, said in a Huffington Post article from September 24:

"I am concerned WHO's communications is corrupted by the fact they push the buttons in the public's brains that will raise the most funds. That is incompatible with what the organization should be doing: serving the public with technically correct factual information, pure and simple."

Louise Voller, a journalist at the Danish Daily Information newspaper, has reported that pharmaceutical companies are present at meetings of WHO experts, and, that purportedly independent scientists hired by the WHO are also consultants to the drug companies that make the vaccines.

On Tuesday, WHO's Fukuda insisted that its swine flu scientists' were not tainted by their private sector associations. The reason, he said, is that before each meeting, scientists are asked to declare all possible conflicts of interest. "These documents are gone over and examined. If there is some potential conflict of interest we go back and talk with them."

WHO was initially set up to rely on funding from UN member countries, in recent years, this source has been rapidly overtaken by "voluntary contributions", which are provided by the private sector, national governments, and NGOs. According to WHO's 2008-2009 budget, $958 million was supplied by the UN, while three times as much -- $3.2 billion -- came from voluntary donations.

Dr. Wodarg told the Council on Tuesday that the shift towards public-private partnership which began in earnest in 2001 puts WHO officials under extreme pressure.

"Already then there were very critical voices against the influence. [WHO's] administration is made of people not well paid who can't fight against the pay of people in and from the industry - they are simply swept aside...[private] influence is rampant and that is why we can't understand why the WHO we used to love...has become unrecognizable to us."

Whether or not WHO officials are being bought off, clearly, the capacity and incentive of drug makers to lean on science are enormous.

Pandemic Profit

All US contracts for H1N1 vaccines went to just five companies: CSL Limited, Novartis, Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and MedImmune. All five also produced shots for either SARS or avian flu. When swine flu took full flight in the third quarter of 2009, these firms' earnings skyrocketed. But according to British MP, Paul Flynn, that was part of drug-makers plan.

Prior to winning any contracts, drug makers invested $4 billion in preparations for swine flu, he said. That investment may have gone to developing and patenting new, super-fast methods to create vaccines, such as using a bio-reactor to grow viruses, said Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, former health expert for the Council of Europe. These patents were key to drug industry profits, since companies can charge much more for patented drugs than un-patented ones, Wodarg said.

"If you have a patent you can monopolize...and this is what industry did...The alternative is not to have vaccines patented...By decentralizing the production you could be as fast and you wouldn't have this small way you have to pass negotiating with one enterprise that has monopoly, or with four enterprises."

Food and Drug agencies in Canada, the UK, France, the US and elsewhere guaranteed vaccine manufacturers that they would be shielded from any lawsuits connected to the vaccines. This enabled companies to fast-track the testing process, reducing some trials to as little as 5 days.

Wodarg and others have also voiced concern that the hastily developed vaccines are not entirely safe. Adjuvanted vaccines, which contain a kind of immune booster shown to produce auto-immune responses in some children, were sold in parts of Europe and Canada, but banned in the US.

The private research group, Markets and Markets, estimated that the global, H1N1 vaccine market will be worth over $7 billion a year by 2011.

The incredible profits associated with outbreaks have sparked a wider shift in medicine from care to profit, according to Marcia Angell, M.D., former editor in chief of The New England Journal of Medicine and a senior lecturer at Harvard Medical School.

"Over the past two decades the pharmaceutical industry has moved very far from its original high purpose of discovering and producing useful new drugs. Now primarily a marketing machine to sell drugs of dubious benefit, this industry uses its wealth and power to co-opt every institution that might stand in its way, including the US Congress, the FDA, academic medical centers, and the medical profession itself."

Angell reports that the drug industry spent around 14 percent of sales profits on research and development in 2000, while spending closer to 35 percent on "marketing and administration". How that expenditure breaks down is not public knowledge, but 35% comes out to a lot of money. For instance, Pfizer, GlaxoSmithKline, and Merck alone made $287 billion in 2007, according to the 2008 Pharma Report by IMS, a market intelligence firm.

The larger question begged by health agencies' bad data, and the media's dutiful reporting of it, is this: if fears are overstated every time there's a flu outbreak, when the public really does need a vaccine, who will believe the boys who cried wolf?

What's more, should the European investigations conclude that the WHO deliberately incited H1N1 paranoia to levels beyond reason in order to help drug makers, the implication is that both the private and public sectors need better oversight before being given any greater control over health care.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Typical response from someone who wants to criticize while again not knowing shit about it or even trying to learn about it lol.

But, but, but, I saw RandomGuy criticize me on the internet, it must be true, i mean he didn't even watch the video or the facts they talk about in it, though he still formed an opinion! lol

And, and, and, and morons like him, Shastafaria and others forget that these doctors are doctors in real life with real patients, real results and facts that back up their claims and they don't solely exist online as mere figments of the conspiracy minded! :lmao

Now THIS is hilarious though haha..CumDumpster can spend hours upon hours, and days upon days, weeks upon weeks, months upon months, years upon years and the entire past DECADE neglecting his own value of life and his family's by spending endless days and nights trolling the basketball forums spewing garbage with no real opinions ever, but a one hour YouTube is too much :lmao Typical way to avoid facts lol

It might just make him feel like the retard he is and teach him something...nah he can't have that, he has more important things to do like build on his 71000 posts by saying things like "melt down" "bots" "you're the whiner, I'm not whining" "lol post smack" "what do you think happened":rollin

Take some Vitamin D3 fellas and stay away from that flu vaccine, you might just start feeling better and brighten up a bit lol

mcOdYuJ0swI

dyJBYZJZEUQlol multiple emoticon meltdown

lol neglect

lol teach

lol post count smack

lol "I have the healthiest organs of anyone I know because I had an online liver biopsy from a chiropractor."

[DeadlyDynasty]

Not sure how I feel about this issue, but I'm definitely on board with the OPV/HIV hypothesis. All the research strongly points to it.

[ChumpDumper]

Not sure how I feel about this issue, but I'm definitely on board with the OPV/HIV hypothesis. All the research strongly points to it.I couldn't say that ALL the research points towards it. Much of the evidence strongly refutes it. Seems weird to get the virus by ingesting it anyway.

[SA210]

:lmao Chump was obviously destroyed in my last post and he couldn't take it, and he tried hard. Oh that was fun, I'll go ahead and just keep him on ignore after all lol

[ChumpDumper]

Man, this ignoring me thing didn't work out for you.

You should switch to your other screen name so you can read my posts.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I couldn't say that ALL the research points towards it. Much of the evidence strongly refutes it. Seems weird to get the virus by ingesting it anyway.
Technically you're right. "all the research" was a poor choice of words.

It's just personal belief based on all the evidence I've seen on both sides. That hypothesis makes more sense than the throwaway bushmeat theory or some other crap they've come up with.

All the scientists are in agreement that HIV1 is a derivative of SIV1, which is only seen in chimpanzees. If they want to claim the bushmeat theory, then where was AIDS several years ago? Sure people were sick, but it wasn't with the classical PCP or KS symptoms that are hand-in-hand with HIV/AIDS.

Long story short, I could go on for hours about this but neither of us will sway the other's opinion, amirite?

[RandomGuy]

:lol Typical response from someone who wants to criticize while again not knowing shit about it or even trying to learn about it lol.

But, but, but, I saw RandomGuy criticize me on the internet, it must be true, i mean he didn't even watch the video or the facts they talk about in it, though he still formed an opinion! lol

"If they would just read the pamphlet I handed them in the parking lot, they would accept Jesus into their hearts and be saved..."
=
"If you would just educate yourself and watch my hour long videos about my conspiracy theories, you would see how right I am."

:lmao

I am not going to learn shit about it, that is 100% correct.

Watching your videos is like a bukkake of stupid, you sign up for that all the time, but I kinda like to duck stupidity when someone shoves it in my face.

[SA210]

"If they would just read the pamphlet I handed them in the parking lot, they would accept Jesus into their hearts and be saved..."
=
"If you would just educate yourself and watch my hour long videos about my conspiracy theories, you would see how right I am."

:lmao

I am not going to learn shit about it, that is 100% correct.

Watching your videos is like a bukkake of stupid, you sign up for that all the time, but I kinda like to duck stupidity when someone shoves it in my face.

lol Why does RandomGuy hate Doctors?

[ChumpDumper]

Technically you're right. "all the research" was a poor choice of words.

It's just personal belief based on all the evidence I've seen on both sides. That hypothesis makes more sense than the throwaway bushmeat theory or some other crap they've come up with.

All the scientists are in agreement that HIV1 is a derivative of SIV1, which is only seen in chimpanzees. If they want to claim the bushmeat theory, then where was AIDS several years ago? Sure people were sick, but it wasn't with the classical PCP or KS symptoms that are hand-in-hand with HIV/AIDS.By the same token, where were those symptoms show up in the 60s right after the vaccines were administered to one million people? Seems any time lag explanation would apply more to the bushmeat theory (I'd rather just call it the urbanization theory tbh) since the initial infection was for that was necessarily one or very few people compared to thousands for the OPV theory.


Long story short, I could go on for hours about this but neither of us will sway the other's opinion, amirite?Yep.

[DeadlyDynasty]

By the same token, where were those symptoms show up in the 60s right after the vaccines were administered to one million people? Seems any time lag explanation would apply more to the bushmeat theory (I'd rather just call it the urbanization theory tbh) since the initial infection was for that was necessarily one or very few people compared to thousands for the OPV theory.

That's a great question, and one that I can't answer. I can only assume variable mutation and incubation periods. Even though HIV comes from SIV, I think it's safe to assume it didn't turn into HIV overnight. Possibly a generation or two. The OPV campaigns in Central Africa were late 50-s/very early 60s, and Central Africa was the first area to face major outbreak of HIV/AIDS symptoms.

It got recognition (not by Ronny) by some of the medical community when it hit NY/LA/SF and France in the late 70's/early 80s.

Once again, it's just the most logical explaantion (to me) when discussing the likeliest origin of the virus. Aslo important to note that the Doctor who was responsible for those campaigns (Kaprowski) has a hbistory of misconduct in medical research--and he was in a deadheat race with Sabin to come up with an OPV.

Agree to disagree, I suppose.

[DeadlyDynasty]

My second choice for origin would be the Fundamentalist theory of God punishing gays and blacks.

[ChumpDumper]

That's a great question, and one that I can't answer. I can only assume variable mutation and incubation periods. Even though HIV comes from SIV, I think it's safe to assume it didn't turn into HIV overnight. Possibly a generation or two. The OPV campaigns in Central Africa were late 50-s/very early 60s, and Central Africa was the first area to face major outbreak of HIV/AIDS symptoms.

It got recognition (not by Ronny) by some of the medical community when it hit NY/LA/SF and France in the late 70's/early 80s.

Once again, it's just the most logical explaantion (to me) when discussing the likeliest origin of the virus. Aslo important to note that the Doctor who was responsible for those campaigns (Kaprowski) has a hbistory of misconduct in medical research--and he was in a deadheat race with Sabin to come up with an OPV.

Agree to disagree, I suppose.I think a synthesis of some of the theories explains it best to me. The urbanization/bushmeat/labor conditions theory goes a long way to show how SIV made the initial jump and became HIV, and the period of unsafe mass injection programs provided the mechanism for it to explode after a slower initial spread.

[mavs>spurs]

if the government spent half as much on health research as they do on military, HIV/cancer and things of the sort would be nonissues.

[MannyIsGod]

Don't know about non issues but its pretty damn true that we'd have better treaments, cures, and an understanding about health in general if that was the case.

[Shastafarian]

I'd really be interested to know how SA210 thinks our immune system works. Can you outline the differences between the adaptive and innate responses?

[ploto]

I was. As soon as I learned the truth I started making changes. In fact I was a severe migraine sufferer as well, I got them all the time.

I cleansed myself from toxins in my body and made the dietary changes I needed to make after going on a strict water only fast that lasted over 3 weeks.

Haven't had a migraine since, or any other illness :tu True story

So you were vaccinated against the major diseases. I do not think your water cleanse keeps you from getting rubella.

What do migraines have to do with vaccines?

I will admit that I am not a big pharmaceutical person. In the past 15 years, I have taken antibiotics once for a major infection in my knee. I do think nutrition and exercise help alot, but they do not replace the health advances brought about by vaccination against major diseases. The flu shot- I don't get one.

[Spurminator]

I haven't ever had a migrane and I get vaccinations all the time.

[SnakeBoy]

I have taken antibiotics once for a major infection in my knee.

Sucker, all you needed was some flintstones vitamins. Besides your knee infection was caused by a vaccine you got as a kid and now someday you'll get sick because of the antibiotics for your knee. It's all like circular and shit.

[SA210]

Sucker, all you needed was some flintstones vitamins. Besides your knee infection was caused by a vaccine you got as a kid and now someday you'll get sick because of the antibiotics for your knee. It's all like circular and shit.


This guy gets it..

lol

[mavs>spurs]

I wouldn't trust doctors to give me these things

http://yle.fi/uutiset/vaccine_expert_doctors_withheld_narcolepsy_symptom s/1919879


Vaccine Expert: Doctors Withheld Narcolepsy Symptoms
Kari Lankinen, head physician of the Finnish Medicines Agency says that doctors have failed to report suspicions of side effects of the H1N1 swine flu vaccine. Lankinen is also a member of a national group of vaccine experts.



Image: Fimea
In an interview with the Savo local service of YLE, Lankinen said that doctors seem to have deliberately refrained from informing authorities about their suspicions of side effects of the swine flu vaccine Pandemrix, even though there were several cases of suspected side effects.

Lankinen suspects that the reason for the silence was the doctors’ concern about their own professional goals – such as getting their articles published in international medical journals. The doctors who made the observations in recent months now work with the National Institute for Health and Welfare (THL).

Deliberate Deception Denied

Paediatrician Turkka Kirjavainen of the Children’s Hospital of the Helsinki and Uusimaa Health Care District (HUS), who also works with THL, admits that the first symptoms of narcolepsy among children were investigated at the beginning of the year, but insists that there were no suspicions of any connections between the narcolepsy and the H1N1 vaccine. He sharply denies any deliberate deception.

Doctors are not legally required to report suspected side-effects of vaccines. Nine suspected cases of narcolepsy have been reported by HUS so far.

[Shastafarian]

I'd really be interested to know how SA210 thinks our immune system works. Can you outline the differences between the adaptive and innate responses?

[Drachen]

I only ever get migraines after vaccinating myself against sobriety.

[Latarian Milton]

I only ever get migraines after vaccinating myself against sobriety.

headache was a sequela of being brainwashed which had nothing to do with vaccinating imho

[RandomGuy]

Regarding bushmeat:

Butchering a carcass generally requires sharp objects, and getting fist deep in blood and entrails.

Given what we know about how AIDS is transmitted, a cut or two on someones hand during the process of butchering a monkey or ape for its meat would be a VERY plausible explanation to me.

[Homeland Security]

Autism is not caused by vaccines. It is genetic. The increased prevalence is caused by an unidentified mutagen.

[cantthinkofanything]

Autism is not caused by vaccines. It is genetic. The increased prevalence is caused by an unidentified mutagen.

which lies dormant until activated by vaccines

[Homeland Security]

which lies dormant until activated by vaccines
Yes, that's what happens. The child gets vaccinated, which kicks off a closed timelike curve going back to nine months before the child was born and activating a mutagen in daddy's sperm.

[cantthinkofanything]

Yes, that's what happens. The child gets vaccinated, which kicks off a closed timelike curve going back to nine months before the child was born and activating a mutagen in daddy's sperm.

no, it activates it through the mothers who have been vaccinated

[Homeland Security]

no, it activates it through the mothers who have been vaccinated

I guess you could have a point there. There are a lot of mothers who notice that twenty-six years, seven months and twelve days after they got vaccinated their children started showing signs of autism, and figure that can't be a coincidence.

[cantthinkofanything]

I guess you could have a point there. There are a lot of mothers who notice that twenty-six years, seven months and twelve days after they got vaccinated their children started showing signs of autism, and figure that can't be a coincidence.

well...it's not JUST the vaccines. It's the toxic combination of the vaccines, fluoride, and bhps.

[Homeland Security]

well...it's not JUST the vaccines. It's the toxic combination of the vaccines, fluoride, and bhps.

You forgot BPA, the chemtrails, and the 9/11 dust.

[cantthinkofanything]

You forgot BPA, the chemtrails, and the 9/11 dust.

not related to autism

[Homeland Security]

not related to autism

Wrong -- BPA, phthalates, automobile exhaust, PCB's, dental floss, and flame retardants are all implicated in the literature.

Then there are the things which just haven't been thought if yet, such as the impact of reality TV in the womb, magnetic fields from cell phone towers, Kim Kardashian's negative IQ actually sucking the intelligence out of children, and the experimental mind control drug at Area 51 that accidentally was released into the environment.

[cantthinkofanything]

Wrong -- BPA, phthalates, automobile exhaust, PCB's, dental floss, and flame retardants are all implicated in the literature.

Then there are the things which just haven't been thought if yet, such as the impact of reality TV in the womb, magnetic fields from cell phone towers, Kim Kardashian's negative IQ actually sucking the intelligence out of children, and the experimental mind control drug at Area 51 that accidentally was released into the environment.

haha...now you're just being ridiculous.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Regarding bushmeat:

Butchering a carcass generally requires sharp objects, and getting fist deep in blood and entrails.

Given what we know about how AIDS is transmitted, a cut or two on someones hand during the process of butchering a monkey or ape for its meat would be a VERY plausible explanation to me.
That's cool and all, but Africans have been slaughtering and eating chimps for centuries, and scientists now know that chimps have carried SIV for just as long. Why no signs/symptoms of KS or PCP or other unmistakable AIDS symptoms way back then? Hell, even the early part of the 20th century. Bushmeat theory is the weakest throwaway line I've heard of in scientific/medical literature--and I've read just about all of it regarding the origins of AIDS (at least concerning these 2 main theories/hypotheses).

[ChumpDumper]

That's cool and all, but Africans have been slaughtering and eating chimps for centuries, and scientists now know that chimps have carried SIV for just as long. Why no signs/symptoms of KS or PCP or other unmistakable AIDS symptoms way back then? Hell, even the early part of the 20th century. Bushmeat theory is the weakest throwaway line I've heard of in scientific/medical literature--and I've read just about all of it regarding the origins of AIDS (at least concerning these 2 main theories/hypotheses).It's actually quite a good explanation for the initial transformation from SIV to HIV. After that, it could have been fairly isolated in communities for years or decades until another method of transmitting the virus came out, like injecting millions of people with infected needles.

[DeadlyDynasty]

It's actually quite a good explanation for the initial transformation from SIV to HIV. After that, it could have been fairly isolated in communities for years or decades until another method of transmitting the virus came out, like injecting millions of people with infected needles.

Disagree. Once again, it's the timing of it all. The practice of killing and eating chimpanzees has been going on forever. With the bushmeat theory we're assuming that the virus just happened to either remain dormant, or happened only in isolated villages far out of reach from the view of colonial europe for official recognition. It just seems conveniently lame and lazy as an excuse--but sure, like everything else, it's possible I guess.

OTOH, doctors take ground up chimpanzee cultures and feed it to millions in Central Africa--the vaccination campaign areas matching almost perfectly with HIV outbreak 15-20 years later. Like I said, we'll remain at an impasse on this one, but I appreciate that you at least acknowledge that science/medicine--if nothing else--could very well have accelerated this pandemic.

[ChumpDumper]

Disagree. Once again, it's the timing of it all. The practice of killing and eating chimpanzees has been going on forever. With the bushmeat theory we're assuming that the virus just happened to either remain dormant, or happened only in isolated villages far out of reach from the view of colonial europe for official recognition. It just seems conveniently lame and lazy as an excuse--but sure, like everything else, it's possible I guess.Or they're assuming it happened to not mutate for several centuries into HIV Or that any initial mutations didn't really get transmitted. Plenty of room for conjecture, but i agree no hard answers.


OTOH, doctors take ground up chimpanzee cultures and feed it to millions in Central Africa--the vaccination campaign areas matching almost perfectly with HIV outbreak 15-20 years later. Like I said, we'll remain at an impasse on this one, but I appreciate that you at least acknowledge that science/medicine--if nothing else--could very well have accelerated this pandemic.Except there is plenty of evidence HIV existed well before then, and oral transmission doesn't seem terribly likely.

[mavs>spurs]

Except there is plenty of evidence HIV existed well before then, and oral transmission doesn't seem terribly likely.

Oral transmission is EXTREMELY rare, already been checked into tee hee.

[ChumpDumper]

Oral transmission is EXTREMELY rare, already been checked into tee hee.
http://www.embraceactivism.com/images/rock%20hudson%20linda%20evans%20kiss.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Given that most of the big killer diseases in USA are almost unheard of in poor countries, where hygiene and corporate pollution of food, air, water, land are much less prevalent, here's scary proposition:

A Messy, Exuberant Case Against Being Too Clean

Moises Velasquez-Manoff - a journalist and also, as it happens, a patient - has fallen hard for an idea known as the hygiene hypothesis, whose implications, if followed out along a widely branching chain of extended supposition, threaten to unravel much of what we think we know about health and disease.

A human being, the proponents of the hypothesis argue, is not really an individual. Instead, each person is a "superorganism," a large creature subsuming many billions of smaller ones, most of them intestinal microbes. Thriving in the colon, these "old friends" that have been with us since time immemorial are as important to our health as a limb or an organ. Altering their numbers, whether with sanitary measures, antibiotics or deworming pills, is analogous to fooling around with the liver or the spleen.

And that doesn't just mean that antibiotics may cause ruinous diarrhea. The microbes in the intestine, the hypothesis holds, educate the immune cells that travel all over the body, and any major alteration in the intestine sends some wild and crazy cells out there to wreak havoc unpoliced.

The genetic and immunologic details behind these assertions are immensely complex, but enough experimental confirmation exists to keep scientists at prestigious institutions around the world deeply engaged in sorting it out.

Other data are equally intriguing. Among them: Allergic and autoimmune conditions are far more frequent in rich countries than poor ones, even among genetically identical populations (West Germany far outpaced East Germany in their frequency, as does Finland compared with an impoverished adjacent territory under Russian control). Societies where intestinal parasites are the rule seem to lack them completely.

A misfiring immune response has long been known to explain conditions like multiple sclerosis and Crohn's disease, a chronic inflammation of the intestine. But some preliminary observations extend the immune connection to illnesses usually considered to be unrelated, obesity and depression among them.

Lisa's Crohn's disease improved with whipworm. Hookworm sent Dan's multiple sclerosis into remission, and likewise Josh's psoriasis. A bad case of chiggers calmed Lawrence's autistic outbursts, and whipworm infusions have improved him further still. The meaning of these isolated cases is entirely unclear, but Mr. Velasquez-Manoff follows the tenuous thread of possibility out to the horizon: Possibly, autism can be averted with something "as simple as a probiotic given to Mom" during pregnancy, he notes. Could the best treatment for depression be "microbes from a donor with a sunny disposition"?

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/science/an-epidemic-of-absence-review-seeing-hygiene-as-driver-of-disease.xml?f=26

[mavs>spurs]

I mean't oral sex not kissing.