lmao Willard

[Clipper Nation]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/13/ron-paul-electoral-college_n_1880172.html

:lol Willard
:lol Hated by his own party
:lol Inspiring faithless electors
:lol Worst candidate of my lifetime

[ChumpDumper]

Should read "lmao bitter Paultards" tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

Should read "lmao bitter Paultards" tbh.

Sorry, but if this happens, Willard would be the first candidate since William Jennings Bryant to have multiple faithless electors.... that would reflect poorly on HIM, not Ron Paul supporters, tbh....

:lol Willard Jennings Romney
:lol First candidate since 1896 to have multiple faithless electors
:lol Biggest failure in the history of American politics

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry, but if this happens, Willard would be the first candidate since William Jennings Bryant to have multiple faithless electors.... that would reflect poorly on HIM, not Ron Paul supporters, tbh....

:lol Willard Jennings Romney
:lol First candidate since 1896 to have multiple faithless electors
:lol Biggest failure in the history of American politicsNo, it reflects on Paul supporters, who can't stop being assholes. They deserved to be disenfranchised. I'd make sure they never had the chance to be assholes again.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Paul supporters have every right to be bitter. They are plentiful motivated organized and saavy in approach.

You then look at fucktards like Grover Norquist who have money backing them and are able to get the GOP by the balls.

Paul worries me but his movement would have actually resulted in change around Washington had he been given a fair shot and I like that a hell of a lot more than the shittiness that passes through nowadays.

Those electors are using the electoral college to be used for what it was intended for. They were within their rights and I hope they tell the parties to go fuck themselves.

[Clipper Nation]

No, it reflects on Paul supporters, who can't stop being assholes. They deserved to be disenfranchised. I'd make sure they never had the chance to be assholes again.

:cry "Ron Paul supporters are such assholes for not abandoning their principles and whoring themselves out to the moneyed elite!" :cry

Too funny how you're defending election fraud now, but I'm sure you threw a shitfit over the election fraud in 2000, tbh....

:cry "It's only wrong when it screws over my team and my guy!" :cry

[boutons_deux]

"the election fraud in 2000"

that was in the Presidential election, RP isn't even a Pres nominee, a fringe fantaisist bug squashed, again and again and again.

[ChumpDumper]

:cry "Ron Paul supporters are such assholes for not abandoning their principles and whoring themselves out to the moneyed elite!" :cry

Too funny how you're defending election fraud now, but I'm sure you threw a shitfit over the election fraud in 2000, tbh....Didn't tbh


:cry "It's only wrong when it screws over my team and my guy!" :crylol fraud

primaries < > general elections anyway

Had Paultards taken the high road, I'd have more sympathy for them -- but from the very beginning when it was clear he had no popular support, they immediately started looking for ways to be assholes because they couldn't accept that most people just don't like their guy.

[Clipper Nation]

"the election fraud in 2000"

that was in the Presidential election
As were the RNCheat frauds in 2008 and 2012...


RP isn't even a Pres nominee
RP won the GOP nomination from the floor, only to have it stolen from him at the last second by a rigged voice vote and the Maine screwjob, tbh....


a fringe fantaisist bug squashed, again and again and again.
How is RP a fringe fanaticist?

[Clipper Nation]

Didn't tbh
Suuuure...


lol fraud
The only people who don't recognize a rigged convention as election fraud are the culprits, neocons, and Ron Paul haters, tbh....


primaries < > general elections anyway
So vote-rigging is somehow okay until the general election in your world? So much for that "love of democracy" you like to tout, tbh....


Had Paultards taken the high road, I'd have more sympathy for them
RP supporters did take the high road, tbh.... while the crooks were flipping votes in the primaries, getting primaries cancelled due to a couple snowflakes in MAINE, and even committing violence against Paul supporters, we just handled our biz, got delegates elected, took over our local arms of the GOP, and operated within the rules of the GOP and the republican form of government guaranteed to us in the Constitution, tbh....


but from the very beginning when it was clear he had no popular support
Wrong.... RP performed well in both hypothetical matchup polls against Obama AND favorability ratings.... get your facts straight, B....


they immediately started looking for ways to be assholes because they couldn't accept that most people just don't like their guy.
Once again, completely false....

[ChumpDumper]

No completely true.

I agree the RNC overreacted to the irrelevant Paul campaign, but that's because they stated they were going to be assholes from the very beginning.

lol hypothetical matchups

Dude finished fourth. A completely disinterested Newt Gingrich kicked his ass without even trying.

[Clipper Nation]

No completely true.
Only as long as you ignore all the facts, tbh....


I agree the RNC overreacted to the irrelevant Paul campaign
So irrelevant that you've devoted a sizeable amount of your 70,188 posts on here bashing it....

BTW, with 70,000+ posts on here, I'm not surprised that you have no clue what's been going on in this election... too busy posting throwaway lines and UTSA rhetorical devices all day....


but that's because they stated they were going to be assholes from the very beginning.
Source?


lol hypothetical matchups
Polling companies do them for everyone, including your beloved Willard Romney....


Dude finished fourth. A completely disinterested Newt Gingrich kicked his ass without even trying.
Dude finished first, had his win stolen from him and delegates illegally taken away, and STILL had more influence, delegates, and a bigger role at the RNCheat than fatass Newt, tbh...

:lol Newt
:lol Moon colony
:lol "Newt University"

[boutons_deux]

As were the RNCheat frauds in 2008 and 2012...


RP won the GOP nomination from the floor, only to have it stolen from him at the last second by a rigged voice vote and the Maine screwjob, tbh....


How is RP a fringe fanaticist?

fantasist, someone who believes/pushes fantasies like killing the Fed, fractional banking, and going back to the gold standard, killing regulations and "just trust everybody To Do The Right Thing", etc, etc, etc.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Scoreboard.

Romney 10,023,280 52.12%

Santorum 3,931,019 20.44%

Gingrich 2,734,300 14,22%

Paul 2,095,619 10.90%

[Clipper Nation]

fantasist, someone who believes/pushes fantasies like killing the Fed, fractional banking, and going back to the gold standard, killing regulations and "just trust everybody To Do The Right Thing", etc, etc, etc.
Sounds like the Constitution to me.... I guess our Founders were also fanaticists?


:lol Scoreboard.

Romney 10,023,280 52.12%

Santorum 3,931,019 20.44%

Gingrich 2,734,300 14,22%

Paul 2,095,619 10.90%
:lol Posting a random poll with no context
:lol Padding that post count
:lol Going for 80,000

[ChumpDumper]

You thought that was a random poll with no context?

Holy shit!

You just proved you have no knowledge of the political system. I'd have to spend 10,000 posts explaining to each of your screen names what the fuck you just saw.

[Clipper Nation]

You thought that was a random poll with no context?

Holy shit!

You just proved you have no knowledge of the political system. I'd have to spend 10,000 posts explaining to each of your screen names what the fuck you just saw.
http://freeindependentsun.com/republic/new-poll-58-favorability-45-ron-paul-for-president/

http://m.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2012/0228/Ron-Paul-poll-shocker-He-beats-Obama-head-to-head

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ron-paul-only-candidate-able-011300652.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/01/09/cbs-poll-independents-prefer-ron-paul-vs-obama/

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Someone who thinks we live in a democracy and thinks Ron Paul cheated by getting his delegates elected telling me that I know nothing about our political system

[ChumpDumper]

http://freeindependentsun.com/republic/new-poll-58-favorability-45-ron-paul-for-president/

http://m.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2012/0228/Ron-Paul-poll-shocker-He-beats-Obama-head-to-head

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ron-paul-only-candidate-able-011300652.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/01/09/cbs-poll-independents-prefer-ron-paul-vs-obama/All irrelevant given what I posted.

Do you still not know what I posted?

[Clipper Nation]

All irrelevant given what I posted.

Do you still not know what I posted?

Yeah, it's the so-called "popular vote" in the primaries, yet you completely missed the greater context of the vote-rigging that occurred, as well as the fact that the popular vote is just a meaningless straw poll while the real point of primaries and caucuses are to elect delegates to the convention....

Remind me again who knows nothing about our political system?

:lol "You hate democracy even though we live in a republic"
:lol "Vote rigging is okay except for the general election"
:lol Going for 80,000

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, it's the so-called "popular vote" in the primaries, yet you completely missed the greater context of the vote-rigging that occurred, as well as the fact that the popular vote is just a meaningless straw poll while the real point of primaries and caucuses are to elect delegates to the convention....lol so called

lol the greater context of hypothetical polls

Paul was going to lose the nomination no matter what. There was no scenario where he would win.

At all.

Scoreboard.

[Clipper Nation]

Ron Paul did win... the RNC had to cheat and screw over all future grassroots to reverse it...

Scoreboard.

[SnakeBoy]

Paul supporters have every right to be bitter. They are plentiful motivated organized and saavy in approach.


How are they "saavy"?

[Clipper Nation]

How are they "saavy"?

Getting delegates elected to the convention, putting electors in the Electoral College, taking over state and local Republican Parties, and raising awareness of libertarian politics at large in spite of a biased mainstream media are all pretty savvy, tbh.... far savvier than cheating at the convention and outright buying the nomination like Willard did....

[ChumpDumper]

Ron Paul did win... the RNC had to cheat and screw over all future grassroots to reverse it...

Scoreboard.Show me the scoreboard that shows he won.

I showed you the scoreboard that shows he lost to Newt Gingrich.

[ChumpDumper]

Getting delegates elected to the convention, putting electors in the Electoral College, taking over state and local Republican Parties, and raising awareness of libertarian politics at large in spite of a biased mainstream media are all pretty savvy, tbh.... far savvier than cheating at the convention and outright buying the nomination like Willard did....I'd say the guy who won was more savvy tbh.

Scoreboard.

[Clipper Nation]

Show me the scoreboard that shows he won.

I showed you the scoreboard that shows he lost to Newt Gingrich.
Ron Paul had delegates at the RNC, Newt didn't.... scoreboard.

Ron Paul had at least five pluralities, and his delegates filed the paperwork that would allow him to be nominated under the old rules, which were changed via a rigged voice vote... scoreboard.


I'd say the guy who won was more savvy tbh.

Scoreboard.
Sweet logic... if just buying the nomination is savvier than overcoming built-in disadvantages and still winning, I guess that means the Yankees who buy all their players are savvier this year than the Orioles who develop their players, even though they're both tied for the division lead right now and are both playoff-bound....

[ChumpDumper]

Ron Paul had delegates at the RNC, Newt didn't.... scoreboard.Oh, he had 180 and Willard had over 2000.

Scoreboard.


Ron Paul had at least five pluralities, and his delegates filed the paperwork that would allow him to be nominated under the old rules, which were changed via a rigged voice vote... scoreboard.So, you don't have anything resembling a scoreboard.



Sweet logic... if just buying the nomination is savvier than overcoming built-in disadvantages and still winning, I guess that means the Yankees who buy all their players are savvier this year than the Orioles who develop their players, even though they're both tied for the division lead right now and are both playoff-bound....savvy

noun
Definition of SAVVY
: practical know-how <political savvy>

Looks like Romney had the know how to win the nomination.

If the Yankees win, they will have had the know how to win.

Savvy.

[Clipper Nation]

I guess the Moneyball A's weren't "savvy" then because they didn't win the World Series, even though they changed the way the entire league scouts, develops, and analyzes players....

Also, "practical know-how" =/= winning....

[ChumpDumper]

I guess the Moneyball A's weren't "savvy" then because they didn't win the World Series, even though they changed the way the entire league scouts, develops, and analyzes players....

Also, "practical know-how" =/= winning....Not as savvy as the ones who actually won.

Those teams had the know how to win.

Paul got outmaneuvered. I called it a long time ago. Guess that makes me savvy.

[Clipper Nation]

Nope, Paul just got outcheated and outspent... Ron bless

[ChumpDumper]

Nope, Paul just got outcheated and outspent... Ron blessGotta love the denial of the Paultard.

Please show us the method how you claim Paul was going to win the nomination by any method with verifiable numbers.

Then you can claim scoreboard.

[Clipper Nation]

I've already provided plenty of numbers and facts, you just choose to ignore them...

:lol In denial

[Wild Cobra]

I've already provided plenty of numbers and facts, you just choose to ignore them...

:lol In denial
Are you expecting Chumpmeister to be reasonable?

[Clipper Nation]

Are you expecting Chumpmeister to be reasonable?

Not really, it's just funny to see him get all worked up and have to resort to UTSA rhetorical devices and namecalling, tbh....

[ChumpDumper]

I've already provided plenty of numbers and facts, you just choose to ignore them...

:lol In denialHey, if you can't provide an actual scenario with verifiable numbers, just say so.

I don't expect you to be able to, so this kind of answer and some post count smack is all I think is you can post about this from now on.

My contention is that Ron Paul had no chance at all to win the nomination at the convention regardless of the method attempted.

Prove me wrong.

[scott]

http://iforce.co.nz/i/vtekszob.sci.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

My contention is that Ron Paul had no chance at all to win the nomination at the convention regardless of the method attempted.

Prove me wrong.

I agree with you there.... what I disagree with is the idea that there were somehow HONEST reasons why he had no chance... anyone who kept track of the RNC knew that the voice vote was questionable at best, that Maine got screwed, and the rule changes effectively killed any grassroots in this party...

Since the most you can do to counter these facts is to bring up meaningless straw polls and call people "assholes," I think we're pretty much done here...

[ChumpDumper]

I agree with you there.:lmao

Yep, we're done.

Thanks. Took you long enough.

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao

If you actually read my posts this whole time, you would realize that I've been saying that if everyone followed the rules, Ron Paul had a chance.... since the RNC cheated and changed the rules at the last second, they removed that chance.... but I know you're too busy padding that precious post count of yours to actually follow an argument, so it is what it is, B...

[ChumpDumper]

If you actually read my posts this whole time, you would realize that I've been saying that if everyone followed the rules, Ron Paul had a chance.... since the RNC cheated and changed the rules at the last second, they removed that chance.... but I know you're too busy padding that precious post count of yours to actually follow an argument, so it is what it is, B...Wait, so you don't agree with me.

OK, we're back to your disproving my contention that there was no way Paul was going to win the nomination under the old rules.

Prove me wrong.

[Clipper Nation]

I have proven you wrong, and you've ignored it, so trying to get me to keep arguing in circles with you is pointless....

[Wild Cobra]

:lmao

Yep, we're done.

Thanks. Took you long enough.

Typical Chump. Take the win on the point not being in play.

[ChumpDumper]

I have proven you wrong, and you've ignored it, so trying to get me to keep arguing in circles with you is pointless....No, you haven't proved me wrong and now you know you can't, so you're whining and will probably start with the post count smack or other distraction technique.

Just say you don't have the numbers to disprove my contention and never did. I already know it. You already know it. You need to admit it to yourself so you can get on with your life.

[ChumpDumper]

Typical Chump. Take the win on the point not being in play.Typical WC. Talking out of his ass about something about which he knows nothing.

[Wild Cobra]

Typical WC. Talking out of his ass about something about which he knows nothing.
I would say you don't know, but then the idea of having principles is probably illusive to you.

[Clipper Nation]

No, you haven't proved me wrong and now you know you can't, so you're whining and will probably start with the post count smack or other distraction technique.
I have provided numbers and facts, while YOU have called people "assholes" for exercising their constitutional right to a republican form of government, posted the cumulative results of meaningless straw polls, and bickered over the definition of "savvy".... remind me again who's using distraction techniques?

When even Wild Cobra is shitting on you, it's clear that your argument simply sucks, B.....


You need to admit it to yourself so you can get on with your life.
YOU of all people shouldn't be lecturing anyone else on "getting on with their lives"....

[ChumpDumper]

I have provided numbers and factsNot any that prove Paul could have won the nomination.

Quit with the smack talk and name calling and prove me wrong.

That's all you have to do.

And party rules are not covered by the Constitution btw.

[Clipper Nation]

The Constitution guarantees a republican form of government.... A republican government features things like conventions and delegates and the Electoral College that would have no reason to exist in a mob-rule democracy.... by disenfranchising Ron Paul's legally elected delegates for no apparent reason other than that they wouldn't be voting for the chosen moneyed elite candidate, the RNC severely disrupted the whole electoral process of our republican government....

[Wild Cobra]

The Constitution guarantees a republican form of government.... A republican government features things like conventions and delegates and the Electoral College that would have no reason to exist in a mob-rule democracy.... by disenfranchising Ron Paul's legally elected delegates for no apparent reason other than that they wouldn't be voting for the chosen moneyed elite candidate, the RNC severely disrupted the whole electoral process of our republican government....
Like I said. Chumpmeister doesn't know what principle is. He seems to have no integrity, so he doesn't understand such concepts.

[Jacob1983]

Why do people treat Ron Paul supporters like they're Nazis and lepers?

[ChumpDumper]

The Constitution guarantees a republican form of government.... A republican government features things like conventions and delegates and the Electoral College that would have no reason to exist in a mob-rule democracy.... by disenfranchising Ron Paul's legally elected delegates for no apparent reason other than that they wouldn't be voting for the chosen moneyed elite candidate, the RNC severely disrupted the whole electoral process of our republican government....No, they didn't.

Paul had no chance either way.

Prove me wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

Like I said. Chumpmeister doesn't know what principle is. He seems to have no integrity, so he doesn't understand such concepts.I don't stalk women on the internet.

[Wild Cobra]

No, they didn't.

Paul had no chance either way.

Prove me wrong.

You still don't get it, do you. It's the ethics of how it happened.

[ChumpDumper]

You still don't get it, do you. It's the ethics of how it happened.You still don't get it, do you? No one is talking to you and he claims that Paul could have won. I never disagreed that it was a wrong and stupid thing to do, just understandable since Paultards promised to be assholes.

Don't even try to talk to me about ethics, stalker.

[Wild Cobra]

You still don't get it, do you? No one is talking to you and he claims that Paul could have won. I never disagreed that it was a wrong and stupid thing to do, just understandable since Paultards promised to be assholes.

Don't even try to talk to me about ethics, stalker.
I see it as very unlikely, but yes. I also see it as possible that Ron Paul could have won the convention. They played the game to win the convention, not the popular vote.

You saying it was impossible for Paul to win is moronic.

[ChumpDumper]

I see it as very unlikely, but yes. I also see it as possible that Ron Paul could have won the convention.Prove it.

Don't whine and say you won't take the time.

Prove.

It.

[Wild Cobra]

Prove it.

Don't whine and say you won't take the time.

Prove.

It.
Wow...

That's lame even for you.

I say I only see it as "very unlikely" and you want me to prove that?

FUCK YOU!

[ChumpDumper]

Wow...

That's lame even for you.

I say I only see it as "very unlikely" and you want me to prove that?

FUCK YOU!You said it was "possible," flaglot.

I didn't expect a meltdown, but whatever.

[boutons_deux]

You still don't get it, do you. It's the ethics of how it happened.

ethics! :lol

in politics? :lol

in American public or corporate life? :lol

[Wild Cobra]

You said it was "possible," flaglot.

I didn't expect a meltdown, but whatever.
No meltdown here. Just amazed at how stupid you have become. I know you are an asshole, but I never knew you were really that stupid, till now.

[Wild Cobra]

ethics! :lol

in politics? :lol

in American public or corporate life? :lol
OK Boutons.

I stand corrected...

And by you...

Oh Shit...

The shame of it all...

[boutons_deux]

Top Romney Adviser Faults Obama For Murder Of U.S. Ambassador, Claims Romney Would Have Prevented Attack

Advisers to Mitt Romney on Thursday defended his sharp criticism of President Obama and said that the deadly protests sweeping the Middle East would not have happened if the Republican nominee were president.

“There’s a pretty compelling story that if you had a President Romney, you’d be in a different situation,” Richard Williamson, a top Romney foreign policy adviser, said in an interview. “For the first time since Jimmy Carter, we’ve had an American ambassador assassinated.”

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/09/13/848511/top-romney-adviser-faults-obama-for-murder-of-us-ambassador-claims-romney-would-have-prevented-attack/

So I can say:

"If Gore would have been President, then 9/11 would have not happened" :lol

[boutons_deux]

OK Boutons.

I stand corrected...

And by you...

Oh Shit...

The shame of it all...

One of the most common, biggest mistakes people make is to assume/confuse personal ethics and morality as also applying to group ethics/morality.

a group's priority is to strengthen the group, to recruit/indoctrinate new members usually with high entrance requirement (initiation, the more difficult/painful/expensive, the better the member's commitment to the group), to demonize/fight/destroy other groups.

Any individual in the group is expendable to serve the group's objectives.

eg: religions and cults, criminal gangs, the military, countries, political parties, top management of organizations, etc, etc. Applies to almost any group.

People who think they are very moral, ethical as individuals, and might even be so, will say nothing against, and even engage in completely immoral/unethical/criminal activities to serve the group.

The classic example is The Holy Roman Catholic Church allowing their priests to violate and rape children for decades, centuries? (does anybody think this crime is a 20th century only crime), in order to protect the priests and above all protect the One True Eternal Church, AT ALL COSTS (to individuals, including children).

[Wild Cobra]

One of the most common, biggest mistakes people make is to assume/confuse personal ethics and morality as also applying to group ethics/morality.

a group's priority is to strengthen the group, to recruit/indoctrinate new members usually with high entrance requirement (initiation, the more difficult/painful/expensive, the better the member's commitment to the group), to demonize/fight/destroy other groups.

Any individual in the group is expendable to serve the group's objectives.

eg: religions and cults, criminal gangs, the military, countries, political parties, top management of organizations, etc, etc. Applies to almost any group.

People who think they are very moral, ethical as individuals, and might even be so, will say nothing against, and even engage in completely immoral/unethical/criminal activities to serve the group.

The classic example is The Holy Roman Catholic Church allowing their priests to violate and rape children for decades, centuries? (does anybody think this crime is a 20th century only crime), in order to protect the priests and above all protect the One True Eternal Church, AT ALL COSTS (to individuals, including children).

Wow...

My admission must have made you cum!

[ChumpDumper]

No meltdown here. Just amazed at how stupid you have become. I know you are an asshole, but I never knew you were really that stupid, till now.Stall. Deflect. Distract.

It wasn't possible. You failed.

[boutons_deux]

Wow...

My admission must have made you cum!

bitch slapping WC silly is always a blast

[Wild Cobra]

bitch slapping WC silly is always a blast
I didn't feel shit. You must be having some twisted fantasy.