I don't have a horse in this race

[101A]

Could supporters of Romney or Obama please explain to me why I SHOULD vote for your guy (without mentioning anything about the OTHER guy)?

[DarrinS]

Our biggest problem is the economy. We need the private sector to grow.

Compare and contrast the experience and track record of the candidates as it pertains to business and job creation and I think the choice is obvious.

[boutons_deux]

Above and way beyond all reasons, Barry is STILL not a Repug.

And Dems not having 60 solid in the Senate, and not having the House, the Dems will be obstructed blindly, viciously, reflexively by the Repugs.

[DarrinS]

Above and way beyond all reasons, Barry is STILL not a Repug.

And Dems not having 60 solid in the Senate, and not having the House, the Dems will be obstructed blindly, viciously, reflexively by the Repugs.


You did the exact opposite of what was asked

[boutons_deux]

No, the best reason why 101A SHOULD vote for Barry is that he is not a Repug.

btw, Ryan has no business experience, and his district has been cratering. Gecko has never has business objective of creating jobs, only extracting wealth from takeover targets.

Gecko and Ryan, and the House Repugs who voted for Ryan's 99%-austerity/1%-enrichment budget TWICE, will cut spending, aka austerity, which is guaranteed to increase jobless, foreclosures, consumer spending, and prolong/deepen the Banksters' Great Depression.

[Wild Cobra]

Could supporters of Romney or Obama please explain to me why I SHOULD vote for your guy (without mentioning anything about the OTHER guy)?
Sorry, I can't. My answer becomes the lesser of two evils.

I will probably vote 3rd party this time around.

[Wild Cobra]

Our biggest problem is the economy. We need the private sector to grow.

Compare and contrast the experience and track record of the candidates as it pertains to business and job creation and I think the choice is obvious.
Romney's not going to be able to get congress to change.

[boutons_deux]

Romney’s Budget Plan Could Kill Millions Of Jobs Over The Next Two Years

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/EPIRomneyJobsChart.png

The budget and tax proposals put forth by Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney would not lead to the economic prosperity and job growth he has claimed, according to a new study released this week. In fact, the Economic Policy Institute found that Romney’s plans would actually lead to a net loss of jobs over the first two years of his administration, and the losses could grow even larger if Romney were to stick to his promise of reaching a balanced budget.

EPI had to make assumptions about Romney’s plan because of its lack of specificity, but according to its analysis, Romney’s plan to lower taxes and cut spending would cause a net loss of 554,000 jobs over the next two years if Romney abandons his plan to pay for the massive tax cuts he has promised. But if he maintains his promise to balance the budget while also providing the huge tax cuts, his plan would “lead to employment losses of 608,000 in 2013 and roughly 1.3 million in 2014″:

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/09/27/919221/study-romney-job-killing-budget/

[Wild Cobra]

When will you be tired of posting propaganda?

[George Gervin's Afro]

When will you be tired of posting propaganda?

irony alert!

[Wild Cobra]

irony alert!
Did you say you work in a Hotel Laundry Room?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Did you say you work in a Hotel Laundry Room?

why does it matter? are you going to shoot me as I cross the border because I have brown skin? ask for my papers if I get stopped by a cop?

[Wild Cobra]

why does it matter? are you going to shoot me as I cross the border because I have brown skin? ask for my papers if I get stopped by a cop?
Why are you trolling?

[MannyIsGod]

Sorry 101. It looks like a no.

[Homeland Security]

Could supporters of Romney or Obama please explain to me why I SHOULD vote for your guy (without mentioning anything about the OTHER guy)?
The United States is headed for a fiscal collapse regardless of who wins. Don't put a horse in this race. If you aren't willing to risk your life or to kill others, the best thing to do is stock provisions and do your best to stay alive as events unfold.

[Latarian Milton]

dude's plan will kill even more jobs rather than create any, while the wealthiest people will add a few more zeros to their net worth like romney himself

[Clipper Nation]

Could supporters of Romney or Obama please explain to me why I SHOULD vote for your guy (without mentioning anything about the OTHER guy)?
Simple answer: you shouldn't vote for either of them...

Write in Ron Paul instead, tbh...

[Clipper Nation]

Sorry, I can't. My answer becomes the lesser of two evils.
Enjoy casting your vote for evil, then, and then don't complain when we continue to get evil, tbh....

[101A]

I can see this is a mighty challenge for both sides of this argument:

Maybe this will help (this woman HAS a reason for voting for Obama).

tpAOwJvTOio

[boutons_deux]

Our biggest problem is the economy. We need the private sector to grow.

Compare and contrast the experience and track record of the candidates as it pertains to business and job creation and I think the choice is obvious.

New Data Show Obama Net Positive For Job Creation Since He Took Office

According to new revisions released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the economy created 386,000 more jobs between March 2011 and March 2012 than shown by previous estimates. As economist Justin Wolfers noted, this means that President Obama is now net positive for job creation over his term in office, even taking into account the massive losses in January 2009:

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/09/27/920781/new-data-obama-net-positive/

and offsetting the several 100K malicious layoffs, esp unionized teachers, in Repug states to make the economy as bad as possible for Nov 2012.

[scott]

Here's the only rational I can think of that fits the criteria:

I think we've entered into an era of politics where all first terms presidents will be fairly unsuccessful as the other party makes it's priority to beat him in the next election. Our only hope is that a 2nd term president can get things done with that political monkey off the backs of our legislature.

[boutons_deux]

"Our only hope is that a 2nd term president can get things done with that political monkey off the backs of our legislature."

If Barry doesn't win the House and get a solid 60 in the Senate, he won't get anything done 2nd term. The Repugs will continue to block in committee or filibuster everything.

[elbamba]

Could supporters of Romney or Obama please explain to me why I SHOULD vote for your guy (without mentioning anything about the OTHER guy)?

I am voting for the candidate that will take the least amount of money from me. I believe that is Romney. Neither candidate has decided to truly tackle the deficit. This is why they propose plans that will reduce the deficit over 10-20 years as opposed to reducing it next year. I believe that our government is essentially dumping a 50,000+ price tag to the back of each of my children. If I can leave my kids a healthy inheritance, then I am doing everything I can do to make a change in their lives.

There are some things I like about Romney, whether they turn to success at the presidential level is anyone’s guess:

1. A very successful record at Bain Capital making a great deal of money for his investors. People like to focus on the stories of failure and discount the fact that Bain Capital was regarded as one of the best private equity firms while Romney was running it.

2. I participated as a volunteer in the 2002 Winter Games in SLC and saw that Romney did an excellent job. Obviously there were many people that made the games a success but Romney did an excellent job and that was not really debated at the time. When you consider the corruption that had taken place leading up to his appointment, it is remarkable what he did to lead those games.

3. I liked his health care bill in Massachusetts. While I believe that it is unconstitutional at the federal level, it shows that Romney listened to his voters and passed a bill that the people of Massachusetts wanted.

4. He was able to work with a state legislature that was full of democrats. I would imagine he would bring a more moderate attitude to the White House.

These are a few of the things I like. He certainly has plenty of faults. I, like everyone else would like more specifics, but neither politician really gives specifics. I could not bring myself to vote for McCain last election. I can’t bring myself to sit out this one. I don’t think that Obama has been a good president I think that Romney has the potential to be a great president. I won’t hold my breath though.

One last thing, regardless who wins, I really don’t think much is going to change. To me, Washington has become a place where people run because they feel that they are entitled to the positions. Gone are the days when the citizen calls on the candidates to run, they run, win and then move on to the next phase of their lives. People like Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Jackson, Madison, Truman these were great presidents, statesmen who served their time and then moved on. We don’t see this type of politician anymore. Sad really.

[Drachen]

Here's the only rational I can think of that fits the criteria:

I think we've entered into an era of politics where all first terms presidents will be fairly unsuccessful as the other party makes it's priority to beat him in the next election. Our only hope is that a 2nd term president can get things done with that political monkey off the backs of our legislature.

First term presidents??? No its red state bubba UCA backed REPUGS who blocked halo-crowned Obama from getting anything done.

/bd

[MannyIsGod]

I can see this is a mighty challenge for both sides of this argument:

Maybe this will help (this woman HAS a reason for voting for Obama).

tpAOwJvTOio

I think there are plenty of people out there with reasons for voting for either guy. I don't think those reasons pan out when people really look at the actions of either guy. IE someone saying they're voting for Obama because he's against war actions or someone voting for Romney because he's for lesser government.

[MannyIsGod]

Here's the only rational I can think of that fits the criteria:

I think we've entered into an era of politics where all first terms presidents will be fairly unsuccessful as the other party makes it's priority to beat him in the next election. Our only hope is that a 2nd term president can get things done with that political monkey off the backs of our legislature.

I've had thoughts about whether or not the 2nd term could be a sort of renaissance for Obama but the fact is that I really don't think he's nearly as progressive as many make him out to be on BOTH sides of the aisle. I think we've seen this tiger's stripes and I think we're just going to see more of it in a 2nd term.

[Homeland Security]

I've had thoughts about whether or not the 2nd term could be a sort of renaissance for Obama but the fact is that I really don't think he's a full-bore Marxist-Leninist like me but rather just a Fabian socialist. Something's better than nothing I guess. I think we've seen this tiger's stripes and I think we're just going to see more of it in a 2nd term.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Here's the only rational I can think of that fits the criteria:

I think we've entered into an era of politics where all first terms presidents will be fairly unsuccessful as the other party makes it's priority to beat him in the next election. Our only hope is that a 2nd term president can get things done with that political monkey off the backs of our legislature.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/135/sw50sw8sw578.gif

[DarrinS]

I've had thoughts about whether or not the 2nd term could be a sort of renaissance for Obama but the fact is that I really don't think he's a full-bore Marxist-Leninist like me but rather just a Fabian socialist. Something's better than nothing I guess. I think we've seen this tiger's stripes and I think we're just going to see more of it in a 2nd term.





:lol

[LnGrrrR]

Could supporters of Romney or Obama please explain to me why I SHOULD vote for your guy (without mentioning anything about the OTHER guy)?

Uhm.... I've got nothing, other than

1) Better chance of continued/new war if Romney gets into office

2) I don't give a fuck if rich people have to pay a few more taxes

[101A]

I am voting for the candidate that will take the least amount of money from me. I believe that is Romney. Neither candidate has decided to truly tackle the deficit. This is why they propose plans that will reduce the deficit over 10-20 years as opposed to reducing it next year. I believe that our government is essentially dumping a 50,000+ price tag to the back of each of my children. If I can leave my kids a healthy inheritance, then I am doing everything I can do to make a change in their lives.

There are some things I like about Romney, whether they turn to success at the presidential level is anyone’s guess:

1. A very successful record at Bain Capital making a great deal of money for his investors. People like to focus on the stories of failure and discount the fact that Bain Capital was regarded as one of the best private equity firms while Romney was running it.

2. I participated as a volunteer in the 2002 Winter Games in SLC and saw that Romney did an excellent job. Obviously there were many people that made the games a success but Romney did an excellent job and that was not really debated at the time. When you consider the corruption that had taken place leading up to his appointment, it is remarkable what he did to lead those games.

3. I liked his health care bill in Massachusetts. While I believe that it is unconstitutional at the federal level, it shows that Romney listened to his voters and passed a bill that the people of Massachusetts wanted.

4. He was able to work with a state legislature that was full of democrats. I would imagine he would bring a more moderate attitude to the White House.

These are a few of the things I like. He certainly has plenty of faults. I, like everyone else would like more specifics, but neither politician really gives specifics. I could not bring myself to vote for McCain last election. I can’t bring myself to sit out this one. I don’t think that Obama has been a good president I think that Romney has the potential to be a great president. I won’t hold my breath though.

One last thing, regardless who wins, I really don’t think much is going to change. To me, Washington has become a place where people run because they feel that they are entitled to the positions. Gone are the days when the citizen calls on the candidates to run, they run, win and then move on to the next phase of their lives. People like Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Jackson, Madison, Truman these were great presidents, statesmen who served their time and then moved on. We don’t see this type of politician anymore. Sad really.

Great post.

[101A]

Here's the only rational I can think of that fits the criteria:

I think we've entered into an era of politics where all first terms presidents will be fairly unsuccessful as the other party makes it's priority to beat him in the next election. Our only hope is that a 2nd term president can get things done with that political monkey off the backs of our legislature.

Fair enough.

[LnGrrrR]

I don't see how Romney would be able to bring a "moderate" voice to the WH. If anything, he's had to push to the right this entire campaign. That doesn't sound like someone who's willing to buck the powers-that-be in the Republican party.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I call bullshit on 101A's "I don't have a horse on this race". Your post history begs to differ.

[101A]

I call bullshit on 101A's "I don't have a horse on this race". Your post history begs to differ.

I've never claimed to be neutral politically. I am certainly conservative. However, if you had made an even cursory search, you would find this: (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186212)


Romney.

Does anyone think Mitt Fucking Romney has any solution to anything; if he is not the definition of "same old, same old" I don't know what is. Nothing original, nothing daring; milquetoast - I'll vote Obama (has been worse than I thought he would be, btw)- just to make sure we keep divided govt.

If the country chooses a Republican now; in 4 years they can choose a generic Dem; we continue our slide to oblivion. This country NEEDS different; we CANNOT keep barreling down the path of crony capitalism; there is NOT a hairs breadth difference between what Romney and Obama bring to the table other than the name of their teams.

Oh, and Massachusetts? Dukakis, Kerry, etc.....Americans DON'T vote for these guys!!! Stop nominating them!!!

Must be the whole New Hampshire effect; gives them unwarranted early momentum.

I hope Paul runs as a third party; at least give me someone to vote for I don't despise.

I guess you have a great memory; even I don't remember ranting that I would vote for Obama. Oh well, I have changed my mind about THAT part of the post.

[101A]

BTW, there's more out there, but my purpose was not to make this thread about me.

[Drachen]

I call bullshit on 101A's "I don't have a horse on this race". Your post history begs to differ.

Does it matter, the premise of the post is still a good thought exercise. One that pretty much ran smack into a wall. He didn't respond argumentitively to the posts from either side. I don't get why bullshit needs to be called.

[Koolaid_Man]

I am voting for the candidate that will take the least amount of money from me. I believe that is Romney. Neither candidate has decided to truly tackle the deficit. This is why they propose plans that will reduce the deficit over 10-20 years as opposed to reducing it next year. I believe that our government is essentially dumping a 50,000+ price tag to the back of each of my children. If I can leave my kids a healthy inheritance, then I am doing everything I can do to make a change in their lives.

There are some things I like about Romney, whether they turn to success at the presidential level is anyone’s guess:

1. A very successful record at Bain Capital making a great deal of money for his investors. People like to focus on the stories of failure and discount the fact that Bain Capital was regarded as one of the best private equity firms while Romney was running it.

2. I participated as a volunteer in the 2002 Winter Games in SLC and saw that Romney did an excellent job. Obviously there were many people that made the games a success but Romney did an excellent job and that was not really debated at the time. When you consider the corruption that had taken place leading up to his appointment, it is remarkable what he did to lead those games.

3. I liked his health care bill in Massachusetts. While I believe that it is unconstitutional at the federal level, it shows that Romney listened to his voters and passed a bill that the people of Massachusetts wanted.

4. He was able to work with a state legislature that was full of democrats. I would imagine he would bring a more moderate attitude to the White House.

These are a few of the things I like. He certainly has plenty of faults. I, like everyone else would like more specifics, but neither politician really gives specifics. I could not bring myself to vote for McCain last election. I can’t bring myself to sit out this one. I don’t think that Obama has been a good president I think that Romney has the potential to be a great president. I won’t hold my breath though.

One last thing, regardless who wins, I really don’t think much is going to change. To me, Washington has become a place where people run because they feel that they are entitled to the positions. Gone are the days when the citizen calls on the candidates to run, they run, win and then move on to the next phase of their lives. People like Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Jackson, Madison, Truman these were great presidents, statesmen who served their time and then moved on. We don’t see this type of politician anymore. Sad really.
:lol

You'd make an excellent fictional writer.

Point. 1...the government is not a private equity firm and you'd have to be a complete retard to even entertain such a notion. Government has to work for the people all people not just private investors.

Point 2... The winter Olympics in the middle of no man's Utah was 90% funded by the US government. Or close to it.

Point 3....you sound butthurt...the Supreme court ruled it was constitutionalPeriod!

Point4....as governor of Mass. His state was 47 out of 50 in job creation :rollin

Point 5. He believes his god is a 6'2 man that lives on planet Kolob....this is the real disqualifier to me...this belief is far worse than the 77 virgin theory :hat

[Homeland Security]

Koolaid damn it, I told you you're not supposed to post in this forum.

[Homeland Security]

Did he post anything else while I was asleep?

[cheguevara]

doesn't really matter who you vote for or if you vote. the outcome has been settled already. Unfortunately we are living in a 2 party Fascist system. These dems and reps guys decided long ago they will be the only 2 players in the game and will take turns at the helm every so often years.

Does it not ring any bell that in the last 50 years both parties have held same number of presidencies :lol

the system unfortunately is rigged.

[Juggity]

I can see this is a mighty challenge for both sides of this argument:

Maybe this will help (this woman HAS a reason for voting for Obama).

tpAOwJvTOio

Both sides have their nutjob supporters. One side keeps trying to elect the nutjobs to the presidency. Luckily there are primaries, and the nutjobs will never end up at the top of the ticket (lest they lose in embarrassing fashion).

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Uhm.... I've got nothing, other than

1) Better chance of continued/new war if Romney gets into office


really?

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/13000-us-troops-deployed-in-iraq-again

[LnGrrrR]

really?

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/13000-us-troops-deployed-in-iraq-again

I don't think the odds are low for an Obama campaign... I just think they're closer to 80% for Obama, while the Romney presidency would be nearer to 95%.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I don't think the odds are low for an Obama campaign... I just think they're closer to 80% for Obama, while the Romney presidency would be nearer to 95%.

interesting thinking there. despite romney not boasting about being the one that's "bringing home the troops" dot dot dot
SMH