Debates: Obama vs Romney, Round 1

[DarrinS]

Thought I would start a thread about tonight's debate.

I'm hoping the debate is focused big issues like the economy, foreign policy, and energy an not on distracting non-issues, like gay marriage, pot legalization, and abortion.

[101A]

Jim Lehrer:


Thank you for joining us tonight Mr. President, Governor. I have broken the debate up into some broad themes, which we will explore in more detail with the questions and discussion as the evening unfolds. The themes are: "The 47%", "Hostile Takovers", "The top 1% of the 1%" and, finally, "The planet Kolob".

Governor Romney, you'll be given all the question, the President can chime in whenever he would like.

Romney:


Fuck me.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Mu guess is that both guys will take a question, not answer it, and ramble trhough well worn talking points

[101A]

Mu guess is that both guys will take a question, not answer it, and ramble trhough well worn talking points

lol. WAAAAY out on a limb with that one.

[DarrinS]

I wonder what accent the president will use tonight?


a) Ivy league professor
b) Southern minister


Evidently, he has both ready to go at a moment's notice.

[101A]

I wonder what accent the president will use tonight?


a) Ivy league professor
b) Southern minister


Evidently, he has both ready to go at a moment's notice.


I've got three I can do:

1. Generic, accentless American.
2. West Texas Drawal
3. Castroville Redneck

[boutons_deux]

Claims Likely to Surface in Debate and Facts Behind Them

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/03/us/politics/claims-likely-to-surface-in-debate-and-facts-behind-them.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

NY Times' Brooks Urges Romney To Peddle Economic Myth In Presidential Debate


http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/10/02/ny-times-brooks-urges-romney-to-peddle-economic/190268

Peanut Gallery: Right-Wing Media's Debate Advice For Mitt Romney http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/10/03/peanut-gallery-right-wing-medias-debate-advice/190295

When Debate Realities Ignore Realities of Crisis
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/10/03-1


I'd love Barry to go after Mitt who became unhinged and crazy when his primary opponents did it to him.

It's a silly product to sell advertizing. A totally useless, distracting charade that won't address the really important problems and questions.

I expect Gecko to lie and distort and sling stupid gotcha zingers, thinking that will get him out of the HUGE ELECTORAL HOLE he deserves to be in.

[DarrinS]

Fun drinking game:


Take a drink every time Obama kicks a strawman's ass

[George Gervin's Afro]

lol. WAAAAY out on a limb with that one.

I've seen this movie before

[TeyshaBlue]

Jim Lehrer:Thank you for joining us tonight Mr. President, Governor. I have broken the debate up into some broad themes, which we will explore in more detail with the questions and discussion as the evening unfolds. The themes are: "The 47%", "Hostile Takovers", "The top 1% of the 1%" and, finally, "The planet Kolob".

Governor Romney, you'll be given all the question, the President can chime in whenever he would like.



Romney:Fuck me.

:lmao:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Spoiler alert: both candidates will argue in favor of bigger government, more warmongering, more money-printing, and less civil liberties and property rights while pretending they're different

[JoeChalupa]

I'll be watching it and yeah, I know many totally dismiss the debates as nothing but talking points from both candidates but I still believe they can do damage if not handled properly. Obama has more to lose tonight as the opponent always gets a bounce after the 1st debate. So Obama has to be on top of his game tonight. Will be interesting to see how it flows.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol 101A

[ElNono]

lol 101A

I'll read the cliffnotes here tomorrow, when both teams declare their candidate victors, tbh...

[RandomGuy]

Mu guess is that both guys will take a question, not answer it, and ramble through well worn talking points

DING DING DING DING!!!

We have a winner.

[DarrinS]

lol 101A

I'll read the cliffnotes here tomorrow, when both teams declare their candidate victors, tbh...


I know who Stephanopoulos willl declare the winner -- he's pretty reliable that way.

528rEt6-Rno

[SA210]

NDAA, Civil Liberties and the Constitution, Kill List, Drone wars and civilian deaths, Blow-back, war mongering on Iran same as Iraq, Occupy Wallstreet, Guantanamo, Federal Reserve, and Poverty (which nobody talks about) etc, need to all be discussed in depth...but they won't be.

And retarded masses across America will cheer thinking they've heard something wonderful and awesome from their fraud candidates :rolleyes

The illusion of debate. All a sham.

[ElNono]

I know who Stephanopoulos willl declare the winner -- he's pretty reliable that way.

George says what he's told to say, tbh... not that much different than Hannity et all...

[djohn2oo8]

lol at Darrin. Typical Foxnews cult follower.

[DarrinS]

lol at Darrin. Typical Foxnews cult follower.

lol @ whoeverthefuckyouare

[lakerhaterade]

Spoiler alert: both candidates will argue in favor of bigger government, more warmongering, more money-printing, and less civil liberties and property rights while pretending they're different


and? it's not as if candidates such as Ron Paul are going to win. might as well vote for the lesser of the two evils or not vote at all.

stop crying about it.

[SA210]

and? it's not as if candidates such as Ron Paul are going to win. might as well vote for the lesser of the two evils or not vote at all.

stop crying about it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R4KtYVF-74

[SA210]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR8NgxGD1sA

[SA210]

NDAA, Civil Liberties and the Constitution, Kill List, Drone wars and civilian deaths, Blow-back, war mongering on Iran same as Iraq, Occupy Wallstreet, Guantanamo, Federal Reserve, and Poverty (which nobody talks about) etc, need to all be discussed in depth...but they won't be.

And retarded masses across America will cheer thinking they've heard something wonderful and awesome from their fraud candidates :rolleyes

The illusion of debate. All a sham.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/251161_452847431425614_614598763_n.jpg

[DarrinS]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/251161_452847431425614_614598763_n.jpg


If I drink every time Obama says "Let me be clear" or "Millionaires and billionaires", I will be severely hungover tomorrow.

[Drachen]

too many rules for the drinking game.

The easiest rule is to drink every time either candidate says "middle class."

[coyotes_geek]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/251161_452847431425614_614598763_n.jpg

".........different vision for America......." needs to be on here somewhere.

[CosmicCowboy]

i think a vodka enema would be a lot easier and get the same result.

[LnGrrrR]

Instead of "doing fine", they should replace it with the "built that" gaffe. That said, this drinking game must be trying to kill off everyone playing it.

[rjv]

Mu guess is that both guys will take a question, not answer it, and ramble trhough well worn talking points

pretty much

[mavs>spurs]

is this a drinking game or a suicide by alcohol game?

both dude's are actually in a private competition to see who can tell the most lies tonight.

[ploto]

I expect Romney to use some "zinger" he has practiced for months and then awkwardly laugh at himself.

[SA210]

The event tonight isn't a debate, it's a scripted infomercial.

[Clipper Nation]

and? it's not as if candidates such as Ron Paul are going to win. might as well vote for the lesser of the two evils or not vote at all.
Terrible logic.... voting for the lesser of two evils only keeps evil in power, tbh....

[MannyIsGod]

I just wonder how masochistic I want to be tonight. The smart route would be not to watch. I'll probably watch though.

[Clipper Nation]

I'm certainly not contributing to those crooks' ratings, that's for damn sure.....

[MannyIsGod]

The event tonight isn't a debate, it's a scripted infomercial.

true

[Drachen]

too many rules for the drinking game.

The easiest rule is to drink every time either candidate says "middle class."

LOL, Anderson Cooper just said, "if you are playing a drinking game at home, "middle class" would be a good trigger phrase."

[MannyIsGod]

Everything about that hand shake made me want to punch both of them in the face

[Reck]

Anyone watching this on CNN?

I like how they got a "speaking time" clock. :lol

[Drachen]

Anyone watching this on CNN?

I like how they got a "speaking time" clock. :lol

yep, I am surprised that both of them have kept pretty close.

[SA210]

lol @ Romney's facial expressions

[SA210]

Everything about that hand shake made me want to punch both of them in the face

I 2nd this

[MannyIsGod]

Gas prices have not doubled under Obama. What a huge fucking lie.

[phxspurfan]

Man I miss the Godfathers Pizza guy

[MannyIsGod]

Clean coal does not exist. Fucking drop it.

Every tax cut adds to the deficit. EVERY ONE.

[boutons_deux]

Gas prices have not doubled under Obama. What a huge fucking lie.

That's all the Repugs have on Barry, lies and slander.

Since when to President's control the world's oil or US gas prices?

Lots of domestic oil coming now, but the gas price is still very high.

[TE]

Rofl romney's facial expressions

[Reck]

Romney's first mistep and Obama pounds on him. :lol

Its just too easy.

[Drachen]

Clinton mention! Drink 5 shots of 100 proof or greater!

+1

[resistanze]

Wow that was awkward.

[ColinB]

Romney: No 5 Trillion Dollar Tax Cut, Likes Coal

[SA210]

Moron won't do well attacking Big Bird :lol what an idiot

[Das Texan]

First Obamacare mention!

[djohn2oo8]

Well we learned Romney likes Big Bird lol

[Reck]

Romney is trying to argue with the moderator. What a tool.

[Drachen]

yeah, but obama needs to cut it down a little.

[MannyIsGod]

Romney doubling down on bullshit tax lies. Of course you get to a balanced budgets through increased taxes.

[TE]

Bam...

Lets see how Romney responds to that

[Spurminator]

I'm certainly not contributing to those crooks' ratings, that's for damn sure.....

Unless you're a Nielsen household, what you watch has no bearing on ratings.

If you are a Nielsen household, go for it. Also, please watch more Community.

[Drachen]

Um, Tesla seems to be thriving. By all accounts they are doing well. Actually they would be pretty profitable (yes, already) if they didnt sell cars, but conversely I think it is the cars that the sell which helps showcase the tech that they are selling to mercedes, hyundai, et al.

[lefty]

This is like watching Ali vs Mayweather

[Reck]

So Romney decided Obama wasn't right, he was wrong.

Make up your mind. This guy is clueless.

[Drachen]

I do like how he looked directly in the camera "if you are 54, you might want to listen to this" right after Romney made sure that those who are older know that their gravy train is safe.

[MannyIsGod]

I do like how he looked directly in the camera "if you are 54, you might want to listen to this" right after Romney made sure that those who are older know that their gravy train is safe.

I pretty much just tweeted this. He basically wanted to make clear he was going to fuck over MY generation but not the electorally important Boomers.

[MannyIsGod]

Lets Not, bitch.

[Drachen]

apparently everything each candidate says is somewhere between not very interesting to supremely agreeable according to those green and yellow lines at the bottom.

[George Gervin's Afro]

how many more times will mitt mention the 716 billion?

[jack sommerset]

First hour goes to Romney, brothers. God bless

[Drachen]

longest 5 seconds ever.

[George Gervin's Afro]

First hour goes to Romney, brothers. God bless

you're a dumbass for the last 2 years


jon tesh

[MannyIsGod]

longest 5 seconds ever.

No sht

[SA210]

So what exactly has been said so far? Nothing really..Most stupid Americans don't even understand this shit.

It amazes me how many women on facebook and other places support Obama simply because they think he's "hot" lol Probably the dumbest reason to back someone to run a damn country. A couple bitches just got deleted.

[jack sommerset]

My brother, George. You need to grow up. God bless

[Drachen]

you're a dumbass for the last 2 years


jon tesh

and, it seems, you are the easiest fish to hook. :lol

[Reck]

longest 5 seconds ever.

Is only fair.

Mitt went on a 5 minute rant himself, even interrupting the mediator.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

26 year old kids??????

[lefty]

Joey Tribbiani is outsmarting Ross Geller

[George Gervin's Afro]

and, it seems, you are the easiest fish to hook. :lol

his ignorance infuriates me..

[SA210]

Obama heard one of his drones in the background

[ElNono]

private insurance is what left half of america uninsured... they don't give a shit about people, they're in it for the money...

[Das Texan]

if nothing else comes out of obamacare but these cocksucking insurance companies not being able to deny based on random pre-existing conditions, especially those done to ensure a healthier long term self, I'll be beyond thrilled.

As it is now, all the insurance companies can suck a dick and go fuck themselves, they truly are the most evil entity on earth.

[lefty]

"Keep the American people safe "


from what ? :lol

[ElNono]

Don't know what's funnier, Barry trying to spin the shitfest of the last 4 years or Mitt thinking that pumping "trickle down" is gonna get him elected.

[ColinB]

Romney: Schools, Coal, and Big Bird

[SA210]

Obama wants to "keep Americans safe", except when they are detained indefinitely by the military without any proof of wrongdoing, without due process or trial, NDAA. lol

[LnGrrrR]

So I've just started watching... how's it been so far? What's the scorecard?

[ElNono]

Obama wants to "keep Americans safe", except when they are detained indefinitely by the military without any proof of wrongdoing, without due process or trial, NDAA. lol

Those are terrerists, tbh

[ChumpDumper]

I liked it when Romney called all his sons liars.

Barry's been pretty weak from where I came in save the Romneycare comparisons.

[Drachen]

Romney: Schools, Coal, and Big Bird

Big Bird Memorial

[MannyIsGod]

This is the debate everyone expected

[Trainwreck2100]

That moderator is getting shit on

[ElNono]

So I've just started watching... how's it been so far? What's the scorecard?

Well, if you were expecting a Barry home-run, it just not happening. Hard to spin 4 years of shit.

Mitt keeps pushing grandiose ideas without any details and more "trickle down".

In a nutshell:

Mitt: 47 million foodstamps x 1000 times, 23 million unemployed x 1000 times
Barry: No details, no details, no details

[ElNono]

Romney is not going to cut anything and lower taxes... but no deficit!

[LnGrrrR]

Romney: I'm not cutting anything! And I'm not raising taxes!

[SA210]

Those are terrerists, tbh

No, it's a cover to stop peaceful dissent in America

[Nbadan]

that's the 'convenience' of not being the incumbent...

[LnGrrrR]

Good comeback by Romney on education.

[Drachen]

I am sure that obama appreciates Romney saying you put your money where your heart is, then mentioning 90 B to green energy.

no sarcasm

[SA210]

I'm not hearing anything about DARPA drones, ACTA, NDAA, SOPA, HR 347, sanctions, phony foreign aid, education debt, the Federal Reserve, QE3, eminent domain and property rights, UN troop presence, mic slips, teleprompters at conventions, failed and crony TARP and GM bailouts, CFR, TLC and NATO membership, TSA, HUD, DHS, NSA and FDA expansion, FEMA and CIA black secret black ops budgets, 9/11 questions, Monsanto, Mars Candy, Dupont, Johnson & Johnson, Goldman Sachs and other corporations crony fascist government takeovers and operations... I'm not hearing anything about urban sprawl and the fallout from central housing and economic planning! How about you?! What's missing for you?

[HI-FI]

Don't know what's funnier, Barry trying to spin the shitfest of the last 4 years or Mitt thinking that pumping "trickle down" is gonna get him elected.
it is sad but true. btw, how do you like the prez of Argentina? i bet she was a hot piece of dirty south american arse back in the day, tbh imho of course...

[ElNono]

it is sad but true. btw, how do you like the prez of Argentina? i bet she was a hot piece of dirty south american arse back in the day, tbh imho of course...

She's the female Chavez... don't be fooled, it's all plastic...

[Drachen]

too many rules for the drinking game.

The easiest rule is to drink every time either candidate says "middle class."



Jesus Christ, I am drunk just on this Obama response.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

A couple bitches just got deleted.

:lol

[Trainwreck2100]

Romney "everybody's gonna agree"
Obama "no you're not"

[MannyIsGod]

No, it's a cover to stop peaceful dissent in America

lol wut

[lefty]

Obama is really lucky this isn't a QB matchup

[ALVAREZ6]

Goddamn Romney why would you not want to decrease military spending.

Military spending is the fucking dumbest idea to disagree about...you simply cannot make a case for NOT lowering it.

[Das Texan]

Jim Lehrer needs to just fucking retire already. Then again he is on PBS, so thats about as close to retired as you can get without being dead.

[jack sommerset]

Romney is not going to cut anything and lower taxes... but no deficit!

Brother, you forgot he also said he was going to add more jobs so more jobs equal more taxes. That's what he said. If you disagree, disagree but don't leave out the rest of his idea to cut into the deficit. God bless

[jack sommerset]

Romney won this debate. No question about it. Good night. God bless

[HI-FI]

She's the female Chavez... don't be fooled, it's all plastic...

i found an older photo, she looks different, but not bad. almost like a south american/marxist/carrie fisher look, i'd hit it easily. you not a Chavez fan?

[ElNono]

You gotta give Mitt credit though. He's going all out promising even the kitchen sink out there... desperate times require desperate measures...

[Nbadan]

Romney won this debate. No question about it. Good night. God bless

Wow, Pastor Hagee Jr. thinks Romney won...there's a surprise...

[MannyIsGod]

I'm going to create jobs!

[ElNono]

Brother, you forgot he also said he was going to add more jobs so more jobs equal more taxes. That's what he said. If you disagree, disagree but don't leave out the rest of his idea to cut into the deficit. God bless

Doesn't every candidate/president says the same thing? He's gonna have to explain how he's going to compete with 10c/hour chinese employees.

[Nbadan]

I'm going to create jobs!

Create jobs, lower taxes, make healthcare affordable and shit gold bricks

:lol

[LnGrrrR]

You gotta give Mitt credit though. He's going all out promising even the kitchen sink out there... desperate times require desperate measures...

I won't cut the military! Or Medicare! I'll produce jobs! And I'll make an even BETTER Obamacare! And not only won't it cost the American people a dime, we'll actually CUT taxes! And the debt!

And what's that under your seat? A BRAND NEW CARRRRR!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Romney won this debate. No question about it. Good night. God blessYou bought the magic beans.

Ron bless.

[SA210]

lol wut

Yes, the reason Americans are covered in NDAA imo, is for dissent on American horrible policies, in case Americans are protesting and visiting websites or comments that could be "considered" "terroristic" such as the soldier that was recently arrested for comments on facebook and had to be released because he actually did nothing wrong. Even the plaintiffs on the lawsuit against Obama on NDAA believe this is the case.

[ElNono]

i found an older photo, she looks different, but not bad. almost like a south american/marxist/carrie fisher look, i'd hit it easily. you not a Chavez fan?

She's a snake. Detestable personality.

And hell no, Chavez is like the closest thing to a ultra-left dictator you're gonna see. I'm more of a center guy, lean a bit left probably. At least that's how I see it, anyways.

[Reck]

Well, Romney didn't make himself look too much like an idiot on this debate. Obama still won though imo.

[z0sa]

Romney definitely won this one tbh. Obama had a lot of trouble maintaining eye contact with Romney first of all, looked like he was scared of dealing with 4 years of shit, as Nono puts it.. Romney did pretty well with the details, cited a lot of sources, didn't stutter nearly as much as the President.

Both are fuckheads but you gotta give Romney credit this time around. Ryan vs Biden should be quite some fun though :lol

[DMC]

I didn't see a debate. I saw two people giving monologues.

[ElNono]

Watching Jack having hope is fun. Good times.

[Juggity]

Obama definitely won this one, by nature of not being Mitt Romney

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

This is just like any other presidential debate....it's not gonna do jack shit to impact the election.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, the reason Americans are covered in NDAA imo, is for dissent on American horrible policies, in case Americans are protesting and visiting websites or comments that could be "considered" "terroristic" such as the soldier that was recently arrested for comments on facebook and had to be released because he actually did nothing wrong. Even the plaintiffs on the lawsuit against Obama on NDAA believe this is the case.Wait, they let the soldier go?

Not a terribly effective law tbh.

[Nbadan]

This is just like any other presidential debate....it's not gonna do jack shit to impact the election.

Tell that to Nixon

[ElNono]

I wasn't gonna watch, but wife tuned in... I thought Mitt needed to be very good or this election was over, and I thought he was.

I don't personally buy any of the shit either were selling, but gullible people abounds, tbh.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Msnbc are shitting themselves

[TE]

Like DMC said, this didn't even feel like a debate.


Nono conjured up a cliff notes version of this "debate" a couple posts back.

[Nbadan]

I wasn't gonna watch, but wife tuned in... I thought Mitt needed to be very good or this election was over, and I thought he was.

I don't personally buy any of the shit either were selling, but gullible people abounds, tbh.

I think the candidates stayed on question. which makes this a good debate

[ElNono]

And so the "comeback" narrative starts...

[ColinB]

Not sure Obama even deserves anniversary sex after that.

[TE]

Not sure Obama even deserves anniversary sex after that.

:lol

[Nbadan]

Romney did OK but not a game changer

[HI-FI]

She's a snake. Detestable personality.

And hell no, Chavez is like the closest thing to a ultra-left dictator you're gonna see. I'm more of a center guy, lean a bit left probably. At least that's how I see it, anyways.
you got some good takes on here that's why i asked, curious how it is from people in the know. i don't keep up with south american politics, though i find the women to be immensely fappable. i watched a PBS Frontline special on Chavez, crazy dude, though it is always hilarious to see Sean Penn stump for him.

[Amarelooms]

Romney killed his ass....keep it up Mitt....Obama gonna screw us with increasing taxes and wasting my money. God bless sons.

:elephant

[z0sa]

Not sure Obama even deserves anniversary sex after that.

:lmao

[Nbadan]

you got some good takes on here that's why i asked, curious how it is from people in the know. i don't keep up with south american politics, though i find the women to be immensely fappable. i watched a PBS Frontline special on Chavez, crazy dude, though it is always hilarious to see Sean Penn stump for him.

When you look at all the more right or center right economies in South and Central America and compare them to Venezuela's economy...Chavez doesn't seem so crazy...hard to be crazy is crazy-land

[SA210]

:lol The spin for Obama is that he had a "dignified reserve" which is why people have always liked him lol what a crock

[ElNono]

you got some good takes on here that's why i asked, curious how it is from people in the know. i don't keep up with south american politics, though i find the women to be immensely fappable. i watched a PBS Frontline special on Chavez, crazy dude, though it is always hilarious to see Sean Penn stump for him.

I was just in Argentina 2 weeks ago visiting the family there. She's a 2nd term prez right now, which means everybody hates her. But she's already pushing for a constitutional reform for a 3rd mandate (which is not allowed currently). I don't know her presidency is going to end well, imo. Chavez is crazy and cancer can't take him away from Venezuela quick enough, tbh.

As far as the ladies, yeah, good looking gals all around there.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Tell that to Nixon

rofl that's the most recent example of a presidential debate actually mattering? Thanks for proving my point.

[Big P]

msnbc is a wreck...matthews is melting down and ed's about to stroke out.... :lmao

[ElNono]

lol they just rated two things that either said as "mostly fiction" :lol

[Nbadan]

This is just like any other presidential debat

:downspin:

[Clipper Nation]

This is just like any other presidential debate....it's not gonna do jack shit to impact the election.

This, tbh.... the lowest common denominator that both candidates have to pander to don't watch or pay attention to debates, so all the "OMG CANDIDATE X TOTALLY WON THE DEBATE, THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING" talk is just bullshit filler, tbh....

[hitmanyr2k]

If the polls don't move in the next week for Romney after this debate it's pretty much over. He simply can't get any better than he did tonight. He bullied the whole process and took it over like a company boardroom :lol He didn't give specifics on anything and threw out a ton of BS but he was in attack mode all night and was definitely the aggressor. He was clearly under Obama's skin for the majority of the debate and I think Romney better start looking for drones in the sky.

[SA210]

:lol Chris Matthews meltdown is awesome

[HI-FI]

I didn't see a debate. I saw two people giving monologues.
I wish they'd get rid of the moderator shit, just let people go at it Lincoln/Douglas style. Give them like an hour and half to shoot from the hip. People are going to complain about the moderators, their biases and whether they are leaking their questions, so just get rid of them.

[Nbadan]

Let's have a duel....forget the debate....

[SA210]

The event tonight isn't a debate, it's a scripted infomercial.

[ElNono]

The two highlights of the debate, IMO:

- Romney telling Jim Lehrer he's shutting down PBS. lol job creator
- Barry facing the camera and saying "if you're 54 or 55, please pay attention"

[SA210]

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/546324_441951282513081_30220270_n.jpg

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

This, tbh.... the lowest common denominator that both candidates have to pander to don't watch or pay attention to debates, so all the "OMG CANDIDATE X TOTALLY WON THE DEBATE, THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING" talk is just bullshit filler, tbh....

:lol exactly. The 5% of the country that everyone thinks are "undecided voters who want to think their decision through!" are really low information voters who don't give enough of a shit to watch the debates. The fact that both candidates always spend this much time/energy pandering to the dumbest most indifferent 5% of this country is one of the biggest problems with this current system.

[Jacob1983]

So are you going to buy Romney's car or Obama's car?

[Clipper Nation]

So are you going to buy Romney's car or Obama's car?
I'm going to stick with Ron Paul's car.... affordable, dependable, and American-made, tbh....

[mavs>spurs]

lmfao romney schooled obama on taxes and business imho. is it even debatable who won this time? better luck next time obummer

[Nbadan]

The initial assessment of the talking heads will be that Romney was the winner because he seemed more angry/passionate. But he was talking nonsense and has created a huge vulnerability. Namely that he is just making this shit up as he goes. He has no plans for any of it. This is the angle they will be working.

"If he can't tell us what he's really doing on taxes, can you trust him on Social Security?"

[DAF86]

it is sad but true. btw, how do you like the prez of Argentina? i bet she was a hot piece of dirty south american arse back in the day, tbh imho of course...


She's the female Chavez... don't be fooled, it's all plastic...

Son, please.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rKQyh_zpNzE/TQuT2e7cbUI/AAAAAAAAC5w/RC13a0oDBXU/s1600/llorona+4.jpg


BTW, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner and her husband are the best presidents we have had since the return of democracy in our country. (not that they had a lot of competiton, but still...)

[Jacob1983]

How about Gary Johnson's car? It comes with a stash of weed in the glove box.

[ElNono]

Son, please.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rKQyh_zpNzE/TQuT2e7cbUI/AAAAAAAAC5w/RC13a0oDBXU/s1600/llorona+4.jpg


Son, that was half a century ago. I was talking now. You've to wonder when a blob of collagen is going to pop out.

[djohn2oo8]

I thought it was tactical by Obama. Let Romney think he can win the debates by giving absolutely no specifics, then go in for the kill.

[johnsmith]

Romney won this debate IMO.......particularly in the first 45 minutes.....not that it matters though, Obama will still win the election and the few undecided voters left will just tune into whichever news channel they lean towards more on a political view and be told that their guy won the debate.

[Nbadan]

I thought it was tactical by Obama. Let Romney think he can win the debates by giving absolutely no specifics, then go in for the kill.

Empty promises mean little to a jaded electorate.

[DAF86]

it is sad but true. btw, how do you like the prez of Argentina? i bet she was a hot piece of dirty south american arse back in the day, tbh imho of course...


Son, that was half a century ago. I was talking now. You've to wonder when a blob of collagen is going to pop out.

lol son, she's like a hundred years old, what do you expect? I posted that pic to show that he's a natural beauty, which is what HI-FI was suggesting.

[ElNono]

lol son, she's like a hundred years old, what do you expect? I posted that pic to show that he's a natural beauty, which is what HI-FI was suggesting.

She definitely looks like a transexual now, tbh...

[DAF86]

Fucking S went hidding :lol

[DMC]

People who vote based solely on the color of skin wouldn't change their vote if their candidate took a steamy shit right on stage and proceeded to eat it.

[Drachen]

Romney won this debate IMO.......particularly in the first 45 minutes.....not that it matters though, Obama will still win the election and the few undecided voters left will just tune into whichever news channel they lean towards more on a political view and be told that their guy won the debate.

I guess that goes to show that, once again, CNN is actually balanced then. They have been saying for the past hour that Romney won this debate.

[DMC]

Romney's only chance at winning is that he's got good hair.

[johnsmith]

I guess that goes to show that, once again, CNN is actually balanced then. They have been saying for the past hour that Romney won this debate.

How does my opinion prove that CNN is balanced? Not arguing, I just don't get it.

[rascal]

I still don't see Romney's plan.

[johnsmith]

Romney's only chance at winning is that he's got good hair.

I thought high gas prices were the only way Romney would win....well, prices are high and Romney still won't win....proving once again that I know nothing about politics.

[angrydude]

Romney easily won. The left predictably is calling him a liar since they can't call him stupid. The irony is that they're both liars so the left is actually correct.

[rascal]

How do you figure he won? He didn't say anything

[johnsmith]

Did you expect too?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Anyone who STILL hasn't made up his/her mind on who to vote for, whether it be Romney or Obama for whatever reason(s), is either completely disinterested or has undiscovered temporal lobe damage. There is more than enough out there for a functioning human being to make a decision based on the information available.

NOTE: I'm not calling anyone retarded for liking Obama/Romney/both (even though no one does)/neither. I'm calling the people who are still "undecided voters" retarded.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I thought high gas prices were the only way Romney would win....well, prices are high and Romney still won't win....proving once again that I know nothing about politics.

The financial crisis in Europe completely melting down between now and the elections is Romney's best shot at winning imo.

[Nbadan]

Romney easily won. The left predictably is calling him a liar since they can't call him stupid. The irony is that their both liars so the left is actually correct.

If you consider rude, ambiguous, aggressive, unspecific winning..then Romney won

[rascal]

How did he school Obama on taxes. People are still dumb enough to believe taxes on the rich hurt jobs.

[Spurminator]

Most people have a preference one way or the other by now. What is vastly different, depending on the person, is the will to vote on Election Day. These debates can have an effect on that, positively or negatively.

[johnsmith]

Anyone who STILL hasn't made up his/her mind on who to vote for, whether it be Romney or Obama for whatever reason(s), is either completely disinterested or has undiscovered temporal lobe damage. There is more than enough out there for a functioning human being to make a decision based on the information available.

NOTE: I'm not calling anyone retarded for liking Obama/Romney/both (even though no one does)/neither. I'm calling the people who are still "undecided voters" retarded.

I disagree because I like to think that the undecideds are the only ones with enough sense to acknowledge that they don't really want to vote for either of these ass holes.....actually, I agree with you, but I'm still hoping that these two get into a head on, mid air collision on the way out of Colorado.

[rascal]

Romney was more aggressive, Obama layed out the facts that Romney has no feasible plan.

[hitmanyr2k]

How do you figure he won? He didn't say anything

Romney was the aggressor and more confident. That's what counts when it comes to the first impression of the debate. Doesn't matter what he said, it's how he said it. Sad, but true.

[johnsmith]

The financial crisis in Europe completely melting down between now and the elections is Romney's best shot at winning imo.
The average American voter would have to watch the news for that to matter.

[johnsmith]

If you consider rude, ambiguous, aggressive, unspecific winning..then Romney won

It's almost like you're a huge supporter of Obama.

[DarrinS]

CNN flash poll

Romney 67%
Obama 25%

[baseline bum]

I disagree because I like to think that the undecideds are the only ones with enough sense to acknowledge that they don't really want to vote for either of these ass holes.....actually, I agree with you, but I'm still hoping that these two get into a head on, mid air collision on the way out of Colorado.

And leave Biden as president? :vomit:

[johnsmith]

Romney was the aggressor and more confident. That's what counts when it comes to the first impression of the debate. Doesn't matter what he said, it's how he said it. Sad, but true.

Agreed....and to add to that, "who would you like to drink a beer with"?

That question right there is pretty solid evidence that this country is mentally retarded.

[SnakeBoy]

Romney did OK but not a game changer

Romney did better than ok, I'd say he won by a little. Definitely not a game changer though. These debates are so damn scripted I don't think we'll see any game changing moments. Although maybe some fun in the vp debate if Biden goes off script.

Romney needs to focus more on Obama's inability to work across the isle to get anything done. He should bring up the Obama quotes of "I won" and "republicans can come along for the ride but they have to ride in the back seat" as examples of how 4 more years of Obama means 4 more years of stalemate and nothing being done for the the american people and then keep hammering home how he was able to work with both parties.

[johnsmith]

And leave Biden as president? :vomit:

Solid point.

[Nbadan]

It's almost like you're a huge supporter of Obama.

I've given Romney credit for a good debate, but as I posted before, the devil is in the details, and Romney gave Obama many vulnerabilities with his empty promises

[baseline bum]

Romney needs to focus more on Obama's inability to work across the isle to get anything done.

not sure if srs

[Yonivore]

The event tonight isn't a debate, it's a scripted infomercial.
Obama must have lost his script.

Obama had the worst presidential debate performance in my lifetime.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The average American voter would have to watch the news for that to matter.

I was implying the European crisis melts down to the point where it hits America and Obama deals with a mini-version of what the Republicans had in 2008. Of course it'd be dumb to expect Americans to keep up with the situation in Europe and stay informed :lol

[rascal]

Romney did a better job of talking over wimpy Lehr.

[Nbadan]

not sure if srs

Unfortunately, he is...

[ElNono]

Romney needs to focus more on Obama's inability to work across the isle to get anything done. He should bring up the Obama quotes of "I won" and "republicans can come along for the ride but they have to ride in the back seat" as examples of how 4 more years of Obama means 4 more years of stalemate and nothing being done for the the american people and then keep hammering home how he was able to work with both parties.

The problem with that tactic is that if there's something that people of any party hate more than the President is Congress right now. Saying nothing got done because of the President is just BS that nobody is buying.

[johnsmith]

I've given Romney credit for a good debate, but as I posted before, the devil is in the details, and Romney gave Obama many vulnerabilities with his promises

Ok,but you keep acting like between now and election day, either of them will explain anything in detail. We both know that won't happen and there will just be more of the same.....and regardless, you will chalk every world event, every debate, every attack ad, every out of context quote, as a win for Obama.....that's what you do,you're a partisan hack....it's cool, just admit it.

[ElNono]

Obama must have lost his script.

Obama had the worst presidential debate performance in my lifetime.

Kerry was worse, IMO.

[Yonivore]

I've given Romney credit for a good debate, but as I posted before, the devil is in the details, and Romney gave Obama many vulnerabilities with his empty promises
Maybe Romney just knows what the fuck he's talking about, Dan.

[johnsmith]

I was implying the European crisis melts down to the point where it hits America and Obama deals with a mini-version of what the Republicans had in 2008. Of course it'd be dumb to expect Americans to keep up with the situation in Europe and stay informed :lol

Noted....my bad.

[ElNono]

Heck, McCain was pretty terrible in 2008...

[johnsmith]

Maybe Romney just knows what the fuck he's talking about, Dan.

Yeah, we'll who would you rather have a beer with?

[Yonivore]

Kerry was worse, IMO.
Actually, you reminded me of Dukakis. Kerry did fine.

[Nbadan]

Ok,but you keep acting like between now and election day, either of them will explain anything in detail. We both know that won't happen and there will just be more of the same.....and regardless, you will chalk every world event, every debate, every attack ad, every out of context quote, as a win for Obama.....that's what you do,you're a partisan hack....it's cool, just admit it.

:rolleyes same old JS

Obama has a small government record to run on, you might consider that a vulnerability, but minus the wing-nut talking points about an improving unemployment rate, I consider that a pretty good record

[ElNono]

Actually, you reminded me of Dukakis. Kerry did fine.

Kerry was no match for Dubya, a superior speaker.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Agreed....and to add to that, "who would you like to drink a beer with"?

That question right there is pretty solid evidence that this country is mentally retarded.

That and the "Which candidate is more like me?" question Americans seem to think is important.

If you're a dumbass with no post high school education who works construction and who's idea of fun is polishing off a 30 rack of Milwaukee's Best every weekend, you shouldn't want a president who's anything like you.

[Yonivore]

Yeah, we'll who would you rather have a beer with?
I don't give a fuck if the President makes a good drinking buddy, I've got plenty of friends with whom I can sit down and drink a beer.

I want a president that knows what the hell he's doing in the Oval Office.

Besides, Romney doesn't drink.

[hitmanyr2k]

Maybe Romney just knows what the fuck he's talking about, Dan.

If Romney actually knew what he was talking about he'd hammer us over the head with details. This guy has been in the race for god knows how long and people are still asking him for specifics. The guy had a good debate but let's not pretend he hasn't been practicing like a MF for this :lol He made the most of his shot tonight but if he truly knows what he's talking about it would have come out in the past 10 months.

[ElNono]

That and the "Which candidate is more like me?" question Americans seem to think is important.

If you're a dumbass with no post high school education who works construction and who's idea of fun is polishing off a 30 rack of Milwaukee's Best every weekend, you shouldn't want a president who's anything like you.

Don't forget "Joe the plumber" making the news for like 3 weeks straight...

[Yonivore]

Kerry was no match for Dubya, a superior speaker.
Kerry was just a transparent phony.

[DarrinS]

LOL

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/mah.jpg


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[ElNono]

Kerry was just a transparent phony.

Well, both of these guys are too. I don't think people that care about debates care about that, tbh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Don't forget "Joe the plumber" making the news for like 3 weeks straight...

rofl Joe the plumber who didn't have a plumber's license? THAT Joe the plumber?

[Juggity]

Kerry was a bad candidate. Would have made a better president than Bush, though.

[SA210]

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/644668_10151055829876814_855938953_n.jpg

[johnsmith]

:rolleyes same old JS

Obama has a small government record to run on, you might consider that a vulnerability, but minus the wing-nut talking points about an improving unemployment rate, I consider that a pretty good record

Oh stop it Dan....don't start acting like just this year you decided to really take into consideration all ideas from both sides of the aisle. The dems could run a coconut and you'd vote for it....nothing wrong with that, just embrace it.

[johnsmith]

That and the "Which candidate is more like me?" question Americans seem to think is important.

If you're a dumbass with no post high school education who works construction and who's idea of fun is polishing off a 30 rack of Milwaukee's Best every weekend, you shouldn't want a president who's anything like you.

That made me lol

[Jacob1983]

So the consensus is that Romney won? I only watched about 10 minutes but it seemed like a draw to me. Of course, FOX News was thrilled while MSNBC was sad. CNN was just like "it is what it is".

[johnsmith]

I don't give a fuck if the President makes a good drinking buddy, I've got plenty of friends with whom I can sit down and drink a beer.

I want a president that knows what the hell he's doing in the Oval Office.

Besides, Romney doesn't drink.

Wow....pretty sure you missed the sarcasm, point, and joke.

[Nbadan]

Oh stop it Dan....don't start acting like just this year you decided to really take into consideration all ideas from both sides of the aisle. The dems could run a coconut and you'd vote for it....nothing wrong with that, just embrace it.

As soon as the GOP runs a candidate that has a realistic immigration, tax, social security, spending, energy, and insurance policy we'll talk...

[ElNono]

tbh, looking at Spurstalk, you can tell Romney did good.... both jack and Yoni made an appearance after weeks being MIA. :lol

[johnsmith]

As soon as the GOP runs a candidate that has a realistic immigration, tax, social security, spending, and energy, and insurance policies we'll talk...

The only thing we'd talk about is how much you'd still support the democrat.

[Nbadan]

tbh, looking at Spurstalk, you can tell Romney did good.... both jack and Yoni made an appearance after weeks being MIA. :lol

Just like roaches when you turn a light on..

[johnsmith]

Just like roaches when you turn a light on..

Wouldnt the roaches scatter and hide?

[Nbadan]

The only thing we'd talk about is how much you'd still support the democrat.

Wash, rinse, repeat

[johnsmith]

Wash, rinse, repeat

Lol, just like your political views every election cycle.

[Nbadan]

Wouldnt the roaches scatter and hide?

These roaches don't know different..

[johnsmith]

These roaches don't know different..

Don't know different than what?

[Nbadan]

Lol, just like your political views every election cycle.

Says the non-partisan

:rolleyes

[Nbadan]

Don't know different than what?

Stupidity...Romney was more aggressive tonight...the President, more reserved...

but, Obama has a record to run on, Romney...nothing but empty promises

[johnsmith]

Says the non-partisan

:rolleyes

Nice...I know you are but what am I......that will teach me.

[TheMACHINE]

ABC has Romney winning as well.

[johnsmith]

Stupidity...Romney was more aggressive tonight...the President, more reserved...

but, Obama has a record to run on, Romney...nothing but empty promises

Ok....but what does that have to do with your metaphor in regards to roaches and yoni?

[Nbadan]

ABC has Romney winning as well.

ABC has been FAUX light for years now...glad to see continuity....

[Nbadan]

Ok....but what does that have to do with your metaphor in regards to roaches and yoni?

Stay on topic chumpy...

[ploto]

Romney showed me tonight what he has shown me all along. He will say whatever he thinks he need to say at that moment to get what he wants with no regard for validity, sincerity, or integrity. I guess he thinks people are too stupid to know that he said a bunch of stuff that is counter to what he has been saying all along.

I also am not surprised that my definition of winning does not seem to be in line with that of the political pundits on TV - whichever channel you watch. I did not find Romney aggressive in a good way. I saw him as rude and disrespectful.

[johnsmith]

Stay on topic chumpy...

That didn't answer the question at all.....hey, sort of like the debate tonight....good for you....

[johnsmith]

Romney showed me tonight what he has shown me all along. He will say whatever he thinks he need to say at that moment to get what he wants with no regard for validity, sincerity, or integrity. I guess he thinks people are too stupid to know that he said a bunch of stuff that is counter to what he has been saying all along.

I also am not surprised that my definition of winning does not seem to be in line with that of the political pundits on TV - whichever channel you watch. I did not find Romney aggressive in a good way. I saw him as rude and disrespectful.
You an Obama supporter? Not trying to be a dick here or anything, just that most people always think their guy won it.

[ploto]

just that most people always think their guy won it.

I never said Obama won it.

[ChumpDumper]

There's no way anyone could truthfully say Obama won that debate. They could call it a draw if they overvalued the Obamacare bit, but that's a stretch.

But yeah -- I can't think of anything Romney didn't promise though.

[Koolaid_Man]

Obama must have lost his script.

Obama had the worst presidential debate performance in my lifetime.


okay settle down bigot or should I call you a Sean Klannity wannabe?

what happened was simple..Romney flat out lied about his previous positions and / or shifted so far from them that he caught Obama off guard with his lies...Romney's plans are so vague and ambiguous till it was easy to pivot from them like working magic in an excel pivot table...thank goodness for the fact checkers...Romney is smiling that fake ass smile now but he won't be after the fact checkers lite a fire cracker in his ass...

and I applaud Obama for working hard not to come across as the angry black guy...but Obama is a competitor..sure the economy was a tough one for him but he has so many weapons that he'll pull out over the next 2 debates..namely:


47%
personal taxes
betting against america with offshore accounts
Bain - outsourcing jobs
Romney investing in China's government
Obstructionist and racist congress
etc etc

[johnsmith]

I never said Obama won it.

So you think Romney won?

[Stringer_Bell]

Romney promised everything and said everything an "undecided" voter needed to here...who cares if it's the truth? It's about votes, and he definately picked up a good amount tonight.

[johnsmith]

Romney promised everything and said everything an "undecided" voter needed to here...who cares if it's the truth? It's about votes, and he definately picked up a good amount tonight.

Hope and change!

[DarrinS]

Even the loons over at MSNBC concede that Romney won.

[ChumpDumper]

lol Darrin watches MSNBC