View Full Version : Free Agent: Jon Barry
T Park
06-26-2005, 02:56 PM
PPG 6.6
RPG 2.30
APG 2.4
Position: G
Born: Jul 25, 1969
Height: 6-5 / 1,96
Weight: 210 lbs. / 95,3 kg.
College : Georgia Tech '92
http://aol.nba.com/media/act_jon_barry.jpg
IMO, a very solid to good back up guard, and with the departure of Glenn Robinson more than likely, would be a great fill in.
Would be an excellent 3rd point guard, veteran experience, DIEING for a ring.
Would only take the min.
Imagine having both the Barry brothers on the same team.
I bet they've got a couple secret plays worked out from the driveway days. :lol
ChumpDumper
06-26-2005, 03:02 PM
That would be hilarious.
Can never have to many 3pt shooters.
My first choice would be Van Exel for the verge-of-retirement, ring-seeker role, but this would work.
Sign and trade. Barry for Beno.
Sounds like a deal!!!
Manu20
06-26-2005, 03:03 PM
That would be great to have the Barry brothers.
Horry For 3!
06-26-2005, 03:04 PM
I rather have Beno than Jon. Beno is young and can be really good. Jon is old.
T Park
06-26-2005, 03:06 PM
Sign and trade. Barry for Beno.
uh, why
Barry signed for the vet minimum. wich doesnt count agains the cap
why trade away a promising guard for a guy thatll be around 1 or 2 years.
If you trade Beno, make sure its for a Speedy Claxton type point guard.
mcornelio
06-26-2005, 03:36 PM
this year i wished jason hart was here
ChumpDumper
06-26-2005, 03:45 PM
Didn't seen enough of Jason this year to know if he handles the press any better.
His one-man transition D was nothing short of spectacular though....
Brodels
06-26-2005, 03:46 PM
uh, why
Barry signed for the vet minimum. wich doesnt count agains the cap
why trade away a promising guard for a guy thatll be around 1 or 2 years.
If you trade Beno, make sure its for a Speedy Claxton type point guard.
I'm all for him if you decide that Devin Brown shouldn't come back. If Brown comes back, I don't think you can have Jon Barry too. The Spurs are going to need some size at the small forward position. I'd rather go after someone with a little more size, but if Devin doesn't come back, I think he'd be a fine pickup.
Brodels
06-26-2005, 03:50 PM
uh, why
Barry signed for the vet minimum. wich doesnt count agains the cap
why trade away a promising guard for a guy thatll be around 1 or 2 years.
If you trade Beno, make sure its for a Speedy Claxton type point guard.
Vet minimum contracts do count against the cap. Half of the contract counts against the cap and is paid for by the team. The other half doesn't count and is paid for by the league. I haven't read whether or not it changes in the new CBA though.
You can, of course, sign players to minimum contracts if you're over the cap.
Mark in Austin
06-26-2005, 03:52 PM
Jon Barry is good locker room glue.
Aggie Hoopsfan
06-26-2005, 04:10 PM
Didn't seen enough of Jason this year to know if he handles the press any better.
I can tell you he was an assist monster on an unselfish Charlotte team.
T Park
06-26-2005, 04:11 PM
you replace Mike Wilk's position.
Come on, you can have Brown and Barry on the same team.
What would be interesting, is if Kori could find our comments on Brent Barry and see what we all said.
ChumpDumper
06-26-2005, 04:12 PM
I can tell you he was an assist monster on an unselfish Charlotte team.
I know that from what I saw this season -- and who knew Brevin Knight still had so much game? Charlotte was a really good move for Hart -- he just wouldn't have developed as much here.
Horry For 3!
06-26-2005, 04:57 PM
I can tell you he was an assist monster on an unselfish Charlotte team.
Jason Hart got some assists when he played when Brevon Knight was hurt.
Brevon Knight was the assist monster. He was 2nd in the NBA behind Steve Nash for most assists for the year and he missed a lot of games.
Marcus Bryant
06-26-2005, 04:59 PM
He makes sense if Devin doesn't come back.
1Parker1
06-26-2005, 05:18 PM
Actually, I could see Houston going for this offer. They are in dire need of a PG/backup PG.
Then again, according many on this forum, so are the 2005 NBA champion Spurs :rolleyes
SequSpur
06-26-2005, 06:00 PM
Jon Barry = Nacho seller.
Marcus Bryant
06-26-2005, 06:11 PM
Beno is worth keeping. I certainly would not move him for Jon Barry.
Brodels
06-26-2005, 06:27 PM
you replace Mike Wilk's position.
Come on, you can have Brown and Barry on the same team.
What would be interesting, is if Kori could find our comments on Brent Barry and see what we all said.
If you wanna put Jon on the IR, sure. I don't think it's going to happen. The Spurs have five guards already: Beno, Tony, Manu, Barry, and Brown (if he comes back).
Assuming that they carry five power forwards/centers (Scola, Duncan, Mohammad, Rasho, Horry), that leaves two power forwards. Bowen is obviously one of them. So that last small forward spot is between Jon Barry, Glen Robinson, Shareef, maybe The Third, and who know who else they've been thinking about. And that assumes that their draft choice (should they keep him) won't make the active roster.
Jon Barry isn't a small forward. Neither is Devin Brown. And while the two positions are somewhat interchangeable in the Spurs system, we learned this year that the Spurs have a need for a longer three. They also need to be giving someone some minutes in an attempt to groom a replacement for Bowen. Sure, Bowen will be great into the forseable future, but he's not going to last forever.
I'm assuming that Beno will be on the active roster because he's the only other true point guard. I'm also going to assume that Brown makes the active roster if he comes back.
I'd rather have a true small forward coming off of the bench behind Bowen. Jon Barry doesn't really have a role on a team with five guards. And quite frankly, if you expect Brown to be back and Scola to come in and the draft pick to have a shot at the active roster, Shareef and/or Big Dog don't really have a role either.
Pop isn't going to carry six guards, and you can be sure that they are going to search for at least one player of a little more size to play some power forward.
whottt
06-26-2005, 07:56 PM
:tu to Jon Barry the player...but I don't see him beating anyone out in the rotation...he is more of an energy guy than Brent(but if you sign him Brent is not going to let Jon outplay him)...and you guys will be wishing for Brent once Jon starts trying to take over the game and taking crappy shots. He is a better role playing 3 shooter than Brent...but I'd give Brent a chance to grow into the role...Brent is the winner out of the two.
ace3g
07-07-2005, 04:22 AM
His 04-05 salary was $ 1,800,000 so we could probably persuade him to come to the spurs for the Vet Minimum
PPG 6.6
RPG 2.30
APG 2.4
EFF + 8.22
Position: G
Born: Jul 25, 1969
Height: 6-5 / 1,96
Weight: 210 lbs. / 95,3 kg.
College : Georgia Tech '92
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage(0.43)
and this way you can have Brent play more back up SG minutes while Jon splits the back up PG minutes with Beno
http://www.nba.com/media/act_jon_barry.jpg
ace3g
07-07-2005, 04:23 AM
plus you get another veteran type player in the locker room
BadlyDrawnBoy
07-07-2005, 04:23 AM
Dude, no.
ace3g
07-07-2005, 04:25 AM
for the vet minimum, dude yes
ace3g
07-07-2005, 04:27 AM
you dont understand how helpful it is to have veteran leadership in the locker room late in the season and in the playoffs, plus they add depth just incase of injury which is why if the spurs were able to sign Kukoc to a vet minimum contract I woulnt mind that at all
ace3g
07-07-2005, 04:28 AM
and jon played very well for the Rockets this season
ace3g
07-07-2005, 04:32 AM
plus he is a good ft shooter like his bro
timvp
07-07-2005, 04:50 AM
As a third string point guard and emergency shooting guard, I'll go for him at the minimum. But he can't expect to be anything more than a 11th or 12th man.
Ginobili_20_gold_medalist
07-07-2005, 06:49 AM
Jon takes some ill-advised shots at times but his hustle and energy is always there. I've never heard of him as a lockerroom cancer or anything so he would be a good pick up. I just couldn't imagine what it would be like to see two Barry's on the same team.
ObiwanGinobili
07-07-2005, 08:18 AM
can you have 2 brothers on the same team?
has that been done?
is it a situation coaches would want?
As a third string point guard and emergency shooting guard, I'll go for him at the minimum. But he can't expect to be anything more than a 11th or 12th man.
Nah he's better then his brother..Bones would be 12th man
We will resign him anyway so it doesnt matter
xcoriate
07-07-2005, 08:27 AM
Nah he's better then his brother..Bones would be 12th man
:lmao Did Jon ever win a dunk contest??
:smokin
:lmao Did Jon ever win a dunk contest??
:smokin
Did Bones ever show up in the playoffs? :smokin
Marcus Bryant
07-07-2005, 08:57 AM
As the towel waving 11th or 12th man with a cameo during the season, sure. I'd prefer JBarry to some project at the end of the bench. He's much less hesitant than his brother to take big shots.
easjer
07-07-2005, 08:58 AM
Yeah, he did. He played extremely well against Detriot.
John is decent enough, but you're better off developing Beno and letting Barry slide over as necessary. Besides, Jeff Van Gundy seems pretty clear that their new draft pick won't be getting much playing time for awhile, so I expect they'll keep Barry around if they can.
nkdlunch
07-07-2005, 09:01 AM
Did Bones ever show up in the playoffs? :smokin
guess you missed the NBA finals?
One Barry is enough. Two Barry's would turn us into the SA Clowns.
guess you missed the NBA finals?
One Barry is enough. Two Barry's would turn us into the SA Clowns.
Wake me up when he can hit 4 or 5 threes and bust a playoff game open.
Jon > Bones
kskonn
07-07-2005, 10:05 AM
Wake me up when he can hit 4 or 5 threes and bust a playoff game open.
Jon > Bones
same old crap people always use... Forget about all of the stuff that he did and say something as ignorant as, well he is worthless if he can't bust 4 or 5 threes. Whatever
Marcus Bryant
07-07-2005, 10:07 AM
I'd like Jon Barry deep on the Spurs' bench. He's a guy who is not afraid to shoot and he will hustle a little. Nothing too special, but he'd be nice to have available during a playoff run.
same old crap people always use... Forget about all of the stuff that he did and say something as ignorant as, well he is worthless if he can't bust 4 or 5 threes. Whatever
Ignorant?
What the fuck has Bones done apart from underperform? He choked the season away and his playoffs were rocky at best. Clearly he is not the same player in spurs offense
Jon had the better season and the better playoffs. He's a scrappy player who has guts, Van Gundy loves him.
nkdlunch
07-07-2005, 11:26 AM
Ignorant?
What the fuck has Bones done apart from underperform? He choked the season away and his playoffs were rocky at best. Clearly he is not the same player in spurs offense
Jon had the better season and the better playoffs. He's a scrappy player who has guts, Van Gundy loves him.
How can you say Jon would have done better than Brent w/the Spurs?? They have a totally different system from the Rockets. My guess is he would have done worse, he would have been completely lost in the Spurs system. Not just halfway lost, like brent :lol
Banks91
07-07-2005, 01:15 PM
nah jon is good, id love him on this team, and u kno that guy can help us
the more shooters the better
ace3g
07-07-2005, 01:17 PM
exactly Marcus, most of my FA suggestions are the ones that will be 11th or 12th men on the team; the spurs have succeeded over the years because of the depth of their bench
and since the spurs will probably lose Tmass,wilks,marks(who said he wants to go back to NZ and play again), and probably glenn robinson
the spurs need to get reliable vets to replace them like jon barry,oberto,scola,kukoc, or another SF; because like Pop said that some of the guys wont be back next year, its a business and we the fans have to understand that
another vet pick up could be Mutombo
Leetonidas
07-07-2005, 01:19 PM
We can never have Jon Barry...
He's a great free throw shooter.
ace3g
07-07-2005, 01:25 PM
well you do know if he did join the team his percentage would drop 10 pts atleast
ace3g
07-07-2005, 01:33 PM
and most of the FA suggestions I make are possible since most of them, you could get with a vet minimum contract
beirmeistr
07-07-2005, 05:31 PM
guess you missed the NBA finals?
One Barry is enough. Two Barry's would turn us into the SA Clowns.
Are you saying that they would be emBarryssing?
sorry---the devil made me do it.
violentkitten
07-07-2005, 05:48 PM
if brent can lure his brother over then good.
ace3g
07-09-2005, 03:14 AM
that is where the spurs have the advantage, Brent could persuade Jon to play for us
whottt
07-09-2005, 05:19 AM
Wake me up when he can hit 4 or 5 threes and bust a playoff game open.
Jon > Bones
Game 1 VS Phoenix.
Wake me when Jon shows up in a game 7.
Brent played his best when his team most needed it...Jon played his worst.
whottt
07-09-2005, 05:23 AM
Oh, and wake me when your team gets out of the first round as well...Rocketfans are in no position to tell Spursfans who is what...
Game 1 VS Phoenix.
Wake me when Jon shows up in a game 7.
Brent played his best when his team most needed it...Jon played his worst.
That game was over after the first quarter..when the chips are down he hesitates on open shots. I saw it time and time again in the playoffs and that game 7 you call his best he had 5 points and 2 assists
Bottom line..you signed Bones because the team wanted a shooter after the Lakers exposed the weakness. He has not lived up to the expectations and it was up to Horry and Bowen to make the big 3's
Honestly Jon would fill the role better
whottt
07-09-2005, 05:57 AM
That game was over after the first quarter..when the chips are down he hesitates on open shots. I saw it time and time again in the playoffs
Come again? We had just been outscored by 10 in the 3rd quarter and entered the 4th trailing by 4...not only did he hit the shot that gave us the lead...he went 5-5 in that quarter.
That was a game 1 on the road against the team with the best record in the NBA, that was a must win game against the team that eliminated the team that eliminated your team.
And you never saw anything...Barry graded out as the clutchest shooter in the regular season and the playoffs for the spurs...
He shot 66% in clutch situations in the regular season, and he shot 75% in those situations in the playoffs.
Bottom line..you signed Bones because the team wanted a shooter after the Lakers exposed the weakness. He has not lived up to the expectations and it was up to Horry and Bowen to make the big 3's
Horry is one of the clutchest players in NBA history and Bowen is a playoff tested veteran and also a former 3 point champion...
There's no crime done there...and Barry didn't shoot that badly this season...if he had made 12 more 3 pointers he would have shot 40% for the season...right on his career average.
Honestly Jon would fill the role better
I wanted Jon Barry instead Brent at the beginning...and there were reasons for it, mainly that Jon was used to that role and brings a lot of energy...but anyone that thinks Brent is some kind of heartless choking bitch is a fool, who doesn't have a good grasp of the game.
And I told you this during the regular season and it was proven to be true in the finals.
As 3 point shooters the Barry's are just about equal...Jon is a very good 3 shooter and he is used to that specialist role since that is what he has done his entire career.
Jon is much more of an energy guy.
Brent is infinitely more talented, versatile and plays a smarter game...he has to adjust to being a role player and playing defense...
He had to make a major adjustment to a lesser role this season and it was a struggle...but he was there all season long when it mattered...when the Spurs needed him to step up due to injury and must win games and what not...he never failed to respond, even when he was being asked to do thing that had never been asked of him before(like turn into a scorer).
He'll never be an energy guy...but he proved his worth in the deciding game of the finals...when our backup PG all season was dropped from the rotation and Brent's versatility and smarts showed their worth.
Jon= fire energy and 3 point shooting
Brent = smart versatile play and 3 shooting...
I like Jon's fire...but I don't like how he all of a sudden starts thinking he is the man and trying to create his own shot and jacking up bad ones...He did that late in your playoff series...
You don't get as much fire with Brent but you do get smart play and a guy who can fill a variety of roles well, who knows who the stars are on this team and who tries to get them going, always...and a guy who continually stepped up in the most pressure filled moments of our season, all season long...regardless of how he looked doing it.
It's like comparing apples and oranges...if you had asked me last season I would have said Jon...and I still like Jon...but Barry proved what he is made of all season long...he does have heart and he can be counted on when the heat is on...given that he is more talented and versatile, I am quite happy with him right now.
Come again? We had just been outscored by 10 in the 3rd quarter and entered the 4th trailing by 4...not only did he hit the shot that gave us the lead...he went 5-5 in that quarter.
My mistake..going over the playoff stats that was his one breakout game in the playoffs. Up until the WCF he had just about been a no show. He needs a wide open offense where he can catch & shoot in transition. I dont think its a coincidence that his best games were against the suns
He shot 66% in clutch situations in the regular season, and he shot 75% in those situations in the playoffs.
Where did you get these numbers?? i dont believe them
I wanted Jon Barry instead Brent at the beginning...and there were reasons for it, mainly that Jon was used to that role and brings a lot of energy...but anyone that thinks Brent is some kind of heartless choking bitch is a fool, who doesn't have a good grasp of the game.
Maybe its unfair but he was brought in to hit the pressure type shots Hedo couldnt. At the time SJax was available and proven but pop went with Bones.
Manu, Horry have that assasin type mentality and do not hesitate when they have daylight on a shot. Jon has this quality aswell..his brother thinks to much and this year his stand still shooting from 3 was exposed
He's not a terrible player, but the consensus among fans around the league is that his game has regressed
whottt
07-09-2005, 12:54 PM
My mistake...
Remember this...you'll be saying it again.
Where did you get these numbers?? i dont believe them
www.82games.com
Maybe its unfair but he was brought in to hit the pressure type shots Hedo couldnt. At the time SJax was available and proven but pop went with Bones.
That is the Spurs and Stephen Jackson's fault...not Brent Barry's...and Stephen Jackson was miserable against the Pistons as his team was being eliminated.
Manu, Horry have that assasin type mentality and do not hesitate when they have daylight on a shot. Jon has this quality aswell..his brother thinks to much and this year his stand still shooting from 3 was exposed
He's not a terrible player, but the consensus among fans around the league is that his game has regressed
The consensus is wrong...He may have struggled to find his role on this team but it was never about his heart or willingness to take the big shots.
I think he likes the big shots, it's the others he had a problem with...
And no one was calling Horry an assassin after last years playoffs.
Oh...and Jon's big series came against the Mavs...they're not a whole lot different than the Suns.
T Park
07-09-2005, 01:10 PM
Bring him on in.
At least hell take a shot, instead of rocketing the pass tot he other side of the court.
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