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timvp
10-11-2012, 03:40 AM
For the first time since June, the Spurs played against another NBA team. In a much less stressful environment, San Antonio defeated the Atlanta Hawks in preseason action by a final score of 101-99 thanks to a Nando De Colo game-winning jumper with less than a second remaining. With the Big 4 sitting out (Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker and Matt Bonner), the Spurs got enough from the role players to get the W in front of their home fans.

Kawhi Leonard
Preseason hasn’t been kind to Kawhi Leonard so far. He was mediocre in the first outing and was straight up bad tonight. It seems like he’s trying to do too much. While he’s a good ballhandler for a small forward, he got in trouble trying to take it one-on-five. Leonard also stagnated the offense at times by holding the ball and forced a few shots. He was best when penetrating and quickly passing to the open teammate when the defense collapsed on him. Defensively, Leonard didn’t make a noticeable impact. Overall, I’m not too worried yet. Going from a role player to more than that is difficult in the NBA and Leonard is experiencing those growing pains. Plus, he didn’t look good last year in preseason either; he's someone whose game is better suited for the structure of real NBA competition.

Danny Green
Danny Green had a few highlights (namely a block in transition in addition to FINALLY hitting a three-pointer) but I’m still waiting for that spark. He was best last season when he brought infectious energy to the table and was in perpetual motion. In the first two preseason games (and in the scrimmage), Green is doing a lot of standing around and watching. He’s not talented enough to turn into a spot-up three-point shooter who also plays satisfactory defense. It’s obviously still early but I’m anxiously awaiting the return of that fire.

Cory Joseph
I’ve been high on Cory Joseph all summer and he got a great opportunity tonight when he was placed in the starting lineup. Unfortunately, the results were underwhelming. To begin the game, Joseph looked exactly like he looked last season: timid, unsure and too frightened to impose his will. The Spurs fell into a hole early mostly because Joseph was doing a poor job of initiating the offense. He wasn’t penetrating or creating -- just haphazardly running the motion sets late in the clock. Eventually he snapped out of it and got back to the attacking style that has caused the massive improvement in his game. When Joseph got going, he illustrated a strong pick-and-roll game -- both in terms of slashing to the hoop and finding the open man -- and very good defensive skills (he’s particularly adept at drawing offensive fouls against bigmen setting screens). All in all, it was probably a step back. Joseph really could have taken a huge leap forward tonight but he showed that those rookie warts haven’t totally vanished yet.

Eddy Curry
The enigma that is Eddy Curry remains tantalizing. In the first half, he looked dominant at times. He was running the court extremely well, rebounding with enthusiasm and staying mentally engaged at both ends. Perhaps the most tantalizing moment of them all was when he beat Al Horford off the dribble on his way to a score. Curry hasn’t done something like that in an NBA game in a long, long time. In the second half, I wasn’t nearly as impressed. His transition defense was horrid, he missed a few rebounds that bounced right to him and he turned into a black hole on offense. Curry had a few positive moments in the final two quarters but they were sporadic. Add both halves together and the picture remains murky. What do you do with him if you’re the Spurs front office? Sometimes he absolutely looks like an NBA level player. Other times he looks like too much of a raw specimen to ever truly help a championship-aspiring team. Right now, it’d be difficult to let him go but it’d also be difficult to figure out a scenario in which he’ll help the team on a consistent basis.

Derrick Brown
Derrick Brown’s statistics look encouraging but I continue to not like what I see from him. Defensive is the most glaring disappointment. Although he’s very long for a combo forward, his length is negated out on the perimeter because he’s not quick or light on his toes. When playing on the interior, he doesn’t have the strength to hold his position. On offense, he likes to catch the ball outside of the paint and face up. The problem is he has no ball skills and no jumper. Maybe he’ll prove me wrong in the upcoming games but nothing about Brown really stands out as a major strength. Add in the fact that he doesn’t look as athletic as he was last season and it’s safe to say I’m not a fan right now.

Nando De Colo
After playing shooting guard in both the scrimmage and the first preseason game, the coaching staff changed things up and let De Colo play point guard against the Hawks. By the end of the game, I was convinced that point guard is his truest position in the NBA. The vision and timing De Colo demonstrated in the open court and in pick-and-roll sets were extraordinary. When you boil it down, he simply looks like a player who should have the ball in his hands. His nine assists begin to tell the story of just what kind of passer this guy can be down the line. While his ballhandling isn’t great for a point guard, he’s a long 6-foot-5 so he’s able to use his body to shield the ball. Early on, defense was an issue (especially against Jeff Teague) mostly due to being too jumpy and reacting to every juke. Eventually, De Colo settled down and actually came up with a handful of strong defensive plays in the second half. Oddly enough, even though he hit the game-winning jumper, his jumper is the aspect I liked the least. When he shoots it off the dribble, he fades backwards and gets very little arc on the ball. He also doesn’t have a high release so it’s easy for a defender to bother him. De Colo’s standstill jumper uses too much elbow and it’s a slow release. Working with Chip Engelland should do him a world of good.

Gary Neal
Free to play his natural shooting guard position, Gary Neal was quite impressive. Offensively, he relentlessly looked to generate points. While his “looking” usually resulted in him taking the shot himself, he also authored a number of surprisingly good passes. It seems that the time he has spent at point guard has made him a more well-rounded player -- even when he’s back at shooting guard. Defensively, Neal was good. It’s amazing what happens when he’s able to play his natural position -- he goes from a horrible defender at point guard to adequate at shooting guard. Regrettably for him, it’s doubtful that Neal will see much time at shooting guard this season unless there’s an injury or an unforeseen slump.

Josh Powell
Out of all the training camp invitees, Josh Powell has easily been the best player. Although it’s likely that he’s playing well over his head (he’s just not as good as he has looked so far in silver in black), give him credit for peaking at an opportune time. On the low block, Powell is pulling off Olajuwon-ish moves. When he’s not scoring, he’s finding teammates with perfect passes. On defense, he’s strong on the post and is using his athleticism to alter shots. If an outsider witnessed just the first two preseason games and the scrimmage, they’d assume Powell is far and away the best bigman on the team. That’s how well he has been playing. It’s not going to last but I can’t fathom how the Spurs can let him go as long as he keeps playing this well.

Stephen Jackson
There’s not much to report in regards to Stephen Jackson. His outside stroke looks silky smooth. He’s still getting touches in the low block. His defense is a work in progress as he gets back into basketball shape. I guess the most significant Jackson-related development is the fact that he’s playing like a total team player. That self-absorbed, high usage gunner who played in those colorful uniforms between 2004 and 2011 appears to be dead and buried.

Boris Diaw
Was it my imagination or did Boris Diaw get even skinnier from the first preseason game? He’s almost legitimately in good shape right now. As a result, he’s much quicker to the basketball and is more agile on the perimeter. He wasn’t too involved on either end tonight but his passing was splendid, per usual, and he wasn’t afraid to mix it up in the paint -- even though he has less padding to throw around.

Tiago Splitter
Tiago Splitter didn’t play in the first half but logged 13 minutes in the third and fourth periods. (Body-wise, he looked different. I couldn’t pinpoint the difference right away but I think he’s skinnier and less muscular up top compared to last season.) Splitter’s first outing of preseason was a mixed bag. He moved rather well, especially defensively, and had no problems running the court. Splitter’s passing was also a positive. The rest of his offensive game, though, wasn’t pretty. His post-up moves were weak and his picks weren’t creating any space -- mostly due to poor timing between him and the ballhandler.

Wesley Witherspoon
I continue to like Wesley Witherspoon as a D-League prospect. He looks the part of an NBA swingman and he has a feathery touch from the outside with a high release point. Add in really good athleticism and it’s a package that will hopefully land in Austin.

DeJuan Blair
DeJuan Blair only played nine minutes but he made the most of it. On defense, he’s much more involved. Since he’s so much lighter than previous years, he’s able to defend pick-and-rolls better and step out on the perimeter and challenge jump-shooters. I even saw him grab a couple contested defensive rebounds -- and that’s something that’s been missing since his rookie season. Offensively, the story was the 20-foot jumper than he buried. Yes, DeJuan Blair took and swished a 20-footer. I watched him in warmups and he was draining shot after shot from beyond 18 feet. If Blair legitimately adds a jumper to his arsenal, that changes everything. Let’s hope that he continues to take and make that shot.

Tyler Wilkerson
The one invitee who didn’t get a legit look tonight was Tyler Wilkerson. I’m still hoping the Spurs give him at least one long look before deciding to waive him.

Pop
-Obviously, the decision to give De Colo a look at point guard was the story of the game coaching-wise. With four other legit point guard options on the roster (five if you count Ginobili), testing out De Colo seemed like overkill -- but it turned out to be the right call. However, now the decision on who to go with just got a lot more difficult for Pop.

-Is Splitter feeling some sort of backlash? Pop recently talked about being disappointed that Splitter missed the beginning of camp once again. In the first game he’s active, Splitter doesn’t play in the first half. Was that a coincidence or a subtle message? Probably the former but there may be more to it.

-I liked that Pop pulled the plug early on Leonard. It just wasn’t working. On the other hand, I’d like to see Green be given a chance to rediscover his groove. This zombie version isn’t going to be useful as is.

-Holding out the Big 4 was totally acceptable. However, it’ll be interesting to see how Pop uses the rest of the preseason. Duncan, Ginobili and Parker all appear to be in very good shape so they don’t need too much more game action. The more pressing issues are to select a backup point guard and to figure out who is going to make the cut. If I had to guess, we’ll see the whole team once or twice more in the rest of preseason but otherwise Pop will use the games to figure out these other issues.

Manufan909
10-11-2012, 04:17 AM
I knew staying up this late was worth it. Thanks once again for all the hard work timvp!!!

DapDaGenius
10-11-2012, 04:29 AM
Very nice write up. I didn't get to watch the game, but which 5 would you say made for the best combination(excluding Wilkerson of course)?

Also, I think Kawhi may be trying to do too much. He himself said that he would continue to try to show that he could do more than what was demonstrated last year(which we all know). So I think he may be trying to force himself to create plays, maybe he is just testing this out for the pre-season.

lurker23
10-11-2012, 04:58 AM
I find it interesting that Bonner was grouped with the Big 3 on the bench for this game, but it really makes a lot of sense when you think about it.

-Benching Bonner frees up minutes for the 3 main camp invites (Curry, Brown, and Powell), allowing them to get extended looks. Plus, it also gives more minutes to Blair, Splitter, and (to a lesser extent) Diaw, all of whom need more reps.

-Other than the Big 3, Bonner is pretty much the most known quantity on this team. For better or worse, you basically know what he's going to bring to the table. Everyone else on the roster is either relatively new to the team, or has some upside that could improve their game in some significant fashion. At this point in his career, Bonner is basically what he's going to be.

TDMVPDPOY
10-11-2012, 05:18 AM
the emergence of de colo.....jumping the gun to resign mills up a roster spot was fail....

officer43
10-11-2012, 05:39 AM
Excellent write-up as usual! Thanks timvp!

Fireball
10-11-2012, 05:45 AM
Thanks TIMVP ...

racm
10-11-2012, 05:50 AM
the emergence of de colo.....jumping the gun to resign mills up a roster spot was fail....

Hey, nobody knew he was gonna be this good... plus his jumper's wonkier. I like the idea of having a small gunner/combo guard alongside De Colo like what the Mavs did with Kidd/Terry.

rmt
10-11-2012, 07:05 AM
But what are the Spurs going to do with so many guards - TP, Manu, Green, Neal, De Colo, Mills. Unless Manu gets injured again, there aren't enough minutes to go around.

benefactor
10-11-2012, 07:06 AM
Thanks for the recap. I'm out of town so I didn't get to see the game.

RuffnReadyOzStyle
10-11-2012, 07:20 AM
Thanks for the write-up, LJ. :tu

Let's hope Grizzly's jumper and defensive intensity is for real.

TDMVPDPOY
10-11-2012, 07:24 AM
did anyone enjoy watchin curry this game...lmao the hawks player who was gettin manhandled by him, which i thought a fight nearly break out cause he was being whipped around the floor by curry

Raven
10-11-2012, 08:26 AM
Hey, nobody knew he was gonna be this good... plus his jumper's wonkier. I like the idea of having a small gunner/combo guard alongside De Colo like what the Mavs did with Kidd/Terry.

He's a bit of a poison.. I can't think of a player that makes you stand up from your chair more than him (ok, Blake Griffin), but that kinda makes it hard to keep him out of the game when he has his days off., and when he does, he can make you lose the game by himself.. He's the epitome of a hit or miss player, perhaps pops can make his jumper more reliable, that would be huge...

CGD
10-11-2012, 08:29 AM
Thanks for the observations. Sounds like the logjam at the guard position just increased with Nando's play. If he remains in a funk, sounds like Danny may be the guy who stands to suffer the most. If his offense isnt clicking, he should recommit himself to defense, which is where he can offer something none of the other guards can right now.

Sound like the 15th slot is Curry's to lose. Not sure what to make of your Josh Powell take, but it sounds like you expect the other shoe to drop soon. And with Brown, nothing other than the fact that he is 6'8" and long has stood out is what I'm reading.

Raven
10-11-2012, 08:32 AM
But what are the Spurs going to do with so many guards - TP, Manu, Green, Neal, De Colo, Mills. Unless Manu gets injured again, there aren't enough minutes to go around.

You could say we're rebuilding while we're still winning.. Boston is tryin to do the same, taking a lot of promising players that in no way help you win right now, but could be good when the veterans retire... I mean, take manu, tim, jacks and bonner out, and we have tony/mills/joseph green/neal/decolo kawhi diaw splitter... that's a reasonable rotation that helps the team resign players for cheap since they do not get enough playing time to really explode.. Basically sign a big man and a scrub pf and we're set for a decent few years of playoff despite not having a single lottery season .

Raven
10-11-2012, 08:35 AM
Thanks for the observations. Sounds like the logjam at the guard position just increased with Nando's play. If he remains in a funk, sounds like Danny may be the guy who stands to suffer the most. If his offense isnt clicking, he should recommit himself to defense, which is where he can offer something none of the other guards can right now.

Sound like the 15th slot is Curry's to lose. Not sure what to make of your Josh Powell take, but it sounds like you expect the other shoe to drop soon. And with Brown, nothing other than the fact that he is 6'8" and long has stood out is what I'm reading.

imho if brown doesn't at least show the potential to defend at the next level, we should kick his ass out right now...

eric365
10-11-2012, 08:50 AM
Gary Neal
Free to play his natural shooting guard position, Gary Neal was quite impressive. Offensively, he relentlessly looked to generate points. While his “looking” usually resulted in him taking the shot himself, he also authored a number of surprisingly good passes. It seems that the time he has spent at point guard has made him a more well-rounded player -- even when he’s back at shooting guard. Defensively, Neal was good. It’s amazing what happens when he’s able to play his natural position -- he goes from a horrible defender at point guard to adequate at shooting guard. Regrettably for him, it’s doubtful that Neal will see much time at shooting guard this season unless there’s an injury or an unforeseen slump.

Am I the only one who want Neal with SG playing time of Danny Green.
Green is too steaky and is worthless even on D when he is is not hitting the 3s.

Neal is the only player with Manu and S Jackson hitting the 3s when the pressure is there

Raven
10-11-2012, 09:01 AM
Am I the only one who want Neal with SG playing time of Danny Green.
Green is too steaky and is worthless even on D when he is is not hitting the 3s.

Neal is the only player with Manu and S Jackson hitting the 3s when the pressure is there

Couldn't agree more...

Dex
10-11-2012, 09:13 AM
-Holding out the Big 4 was totally acceptable. However, it’ll be interesting to see how Pop uses the rest of the preseason. Duncan, Ginobili and Parker all appear to be in very good shape so they don’t need too much more game action. The more pressing issues are to select a backup point guard and to figure out who is going to make the cut. If I had to guess, we’ll see the whole team once or twice more in the rest of preseason but otherwise Pop will use the games to figure out these other issues.

Please never refer to Bonner as part of the Big 4 ever, ever again. kthxbaibai

Fireball
10-11-2012, 09:41 AM
Am I the only one who want Neal with SG playing time of Danny Green.
Green is too steaky and is worthless even on D when he is is not hitting the 3s.

Neal is the only player with Manu and S Jackson hitting the 3s when the pressure is there

Spurs fans are complaing about Pop and his losing of defensive mindset. Giving Neal more playing time instead of Green (who is streaky, I agree) will not help to improve defensively. Green seemed to be our best perimeter defender last season. If the Spurs need a clutch three at the end of a game, just take a timeout and insert Neal ... he is cold blooded enough to hit it without having played 20+ minutes before.

eric365
10-11-2012, 10:08 AM
Spurs fans are complaing about Pop and his losing of defensive mindset. Giving Neal more playing time instead of Green (who is streaky, I agree) will not help to improve defensively. Green seemed to be our best perimeter defender last season. If the Spurs need a clutch three at the end of a game, just take a timeout and insert Neal ... he is cold blooded enough to hit it without having played 20+ minutes before.

Neal on the starting is risky on the defensive end but I would like him as the backup SG where he is matched with average scorer
Starting lineup :
Parker
Ginobili
Leonard
Diaw
Duncan

Bench :
De Colo
Neal
Jackson
Bonner or Blair
Splitter

The starting lineup is good defensively and this bench has passing, shooting and is not that bad defensively with Jackson and Splitter.
Also, the bench would not be too much over sized at the guard position with the 6'5 De Colo

And anyway, 10 minutes of Neal at PG is a lot worse for the defense that 20 minutes of Neal at SG IMO

Fireball
10-11-2012, 10:41 AM
Neal on the starting is risky on the defensive end but I would like him as the backup SG where he is matched with average scorer

The starting lineup is good defensively and this bench has passing, shooting and is not that bad defensively with Jackson and Splitter.
Also, the bench would not be too much over sized at the guard position with the 6'5 De Colo

And anyway, 10 minutes of Neal at PG is a lot worse for the defense that 20 minutes of Neal at SG IMO

I agree that Neal has to play SG, but skipping Danny Green completely seems wrong to me. His first two preseason games were bad, but I think he is just a fierce competitor as is Kawhi Leonard (who had two bad games as well). He will increase intensity in the regular season and the shot making will follow. We really have to many guards who deserve minutes, although De Colo has yet to show consistency ...

dylankerouac
10-11-2012, 10:48 AM
Thanks for the summary, can't wait for the first televised game.

silverblackfan
10-11-2012, 10:54 AM
Great stuff, as always. :toast

Season is getting primed and the Spurs Fans are hungry!
:ihit

spurraider21
10-11-2012, 10:54 AM
our backcourt is way to stacked and its costing us depth in the frontcourt. we have 6 guards, and kawhi and jax will have a monopoly at the 3. bonner also eats a spot.

bigfan
10-11-2012, 10:56 AM
This is my annual one-time thanks note to TIMVP for the excellent writeup for us out of towner Spurs fans.

TDMVPDPOY
10-11-2012, 11:17 AM
gary neal any minutes at backup pg or pg duties....dribbles down court lookin for his own shot only...

DesertSpur50
10-11-2012, 11:26 AM
I wonder if De Colo will eliminate most of the time Manu will spend at point guard position letting him focus on SG. I want to see long stretches of Nando and Manu out on the court together. That would be sick! We basically have an entire line up that are play makers. Nando/Manu/Diaw/Duncan/SJax or Kawhi at SF. That would be somthing to see!

xellos88330
10-11-2012, 12:01 PM
did anyone enjoy watchin curry this game...lmao the hawks player who was gettin manhandled by him, which i thought a fight nearly break out cause he was being whipped around the floor by curry

This right here! That was FANTASTIC!!! I was having a blast waching Johnson and Curry go at it! The only problem I had with it is that it looked like Johnson got in Curry's head and his game went downhill from there. If Curry can find his happy place when matched up against someone that is pissing him off, his anger will transfer to the stat sheet.

spurs10
10-11-2012, 12:16 PM
Thanks for the writeup, it's always great stuff. I feel a lot better prepared for the game on Friday. The Curry and Powell situation is intriguing. How do you let either of them go at this point? Someone is going somewhere with only one spot left to fill. Is Corey to Austin the most likely scenario for keeping them both? Time will tell....

mountainballer
10-11-2012, 12:26 PM
Corey to Austin doesn't open a roster spot.

ElNono
10-11-2012, 12:26 PM
thanks

spurs10
10-11-2012, 12:40 PM
Corey to Austin doesn't open a roster spot.

Yeah, thanks. How do we go about holding on to Curry and Powell?

Chomag
10-11-2012, 01:05 PM
Yeah, thanks. How do we go about holding on to Curry and Powell?

They dump Bonner for a pick or something. I dont care how, but this wont happen anyway.

ace3g
10-11-2012, 02:06 PM
Nando/Neal combo could work well.

spurs10
10-11-2012, 03:24 PM
They dump Bonner for a pick or something. I dont care how, but this wont happen anyway.

You're allowed to dream...:lol
I suppose that's what it's going to come down to. Someone will have to be cut. I can't come up with anything believable if Corey to Austin doesn't open up a roster spot.

TD 21
10-11-2012, 05:55 PM
- Obviously, it's premature to be drawing any conclusions, but my one concern with Leonard this season was that he'd try to do too much and force the action.

- Green's confidence seems shots. I didn't think he was the type to lose confidence so easily.

- Curry needs to be kept for the time being. Powell is a more solid player, but he's also redundant. The 15th spot should be reserved for a true center or at the very least a small/combo forward.

- If Green doesn't snap out of his funk, then Neal could actually see more time at SG than expected. They could start Ginobili, slide Neal to back to SG and make Mills the backup PG.

- I agree that Splitter appears to be even weaker than before. In today's game, he's a center by default. But like Noah has in Boozer, he needs a power forward next to him who's capable of guarding some of the stronger centers.

- If Blair has just relatively reliable range out to 20, then he can absolutely play with Splitter.

- Interesting thought about Splitter. It's unlikely, but I wonder if his spot in the rotation be in jeopardy to start the season and I'm wondering more and more if this is someone they're willing to pay at least $6M annually for on a long term contract.

TDMVPDPOY
10-11-2012, 06:03 PM
- Interesting thought about Splitter. It's unlikely, but I wonder if his spot in the rotation be in jeopardy to start the season and I'm wondering more and more if this is someone they're willing to pay at least $6M annually for on a long term contract.

if asik the scrub could get a pay rise, i see splitter why not in todays market

TD 21
10-11-2012, 07:02 PM
if asik the scrub could get a pay rise, i see splitter why not in todays market

Roughly $8.3M on average, for 3 years, to a young 7-footer, who's already an elite defender/rebounder, isn't that bad. It's definitely steep, but I wouldn't term it a horrible contract. If he stays healthy, there's a good chance he becomes one of the elite defensive anchors over the next decade.

Splitter isn't an elite defender or rebounder, but he's more skilled and well rounded, so he should be able to command roughly the same. But if he really wants to stay (and I think he will), he's probably going to have to accept about $6M annually. It's not so much that they can't afford to pay him more, so much as it is about principal. If Duncan is going to be at $10M and Ginobili at $8M, then it wouldn't seem right to be paying Splitter $8M.

Bruno
10-11-2012, 07:35 PM
I've like a lot of things Cory Joseph did in this game. He wasn't playing well and he is likely not ready to contribute this year but he shows a lot of qualities. Joseph hasn't earned points to be in the rotation with that game but he has earned points to have his option picked for next year.

The big drawback on De Colo game was that he really struggles against Jeff Teague. As good as De Colo passing is, he doesn't have the quickness to match up with some PGs. If Pop wants to put him at the PG spot, this lack of quickness will be a big issue. Other than that, he was great.

Powell was the best Spur yesterday. If he continues to play at that level, it will be impossible to cut him for Pop.

racm
10-11-2012, 07:41 PM
Agreed... De Colo's height gives him an advantage with regards to mismatches and court vision... but all the same he's not quick enough to stay on small guards, so pairing him with a small SG/combo guard is a must.

spurs10
10-11-2012, 08:02 PM
I've like a lot of things Cory Joseph did in this game. He wasn't playing well and he is likely not ready to contribute this year but he shows a lot of qualities. Joseph hasn't earned points to be in the rotation with that game but he has earned points to have his option picked for next year.

The big drawback on De Colo game was that he really struggles against Jeff Teague. As good as De Colo passing is, he doesn't have the quickness to match up with some PGs. If Pop wants to put him at the PG spot, this lack of quickness will be a big issue. Other than that, he was great.

Powell was the best Spur yesterday. If he continues to play at that level, it will be impossible to cut him for Pop.
Do you think Pop will go with Powell instead of Curry? Is there a scenario, I'm not seeing, that would allow for both to stay? Can't see Blair or Neal being dropped.

TDMVPDPOY
10-11-2012, 08:18 PM
Do you think Pop will go with Powell instead of Curry? Is there a scenario, I'm not seeing, that would allow for both to stay? Can't see Blair or Neal being dropped.

going for powell is stupidity, we already have small bigs, let alone wingman who can play the 4 for small ball

theres the opportunity to finally add a legit big on the roster for dirt cheap, and u go sign a undersize big...fail, already have one scrub on the bench dont need another one

Bruno
10-11-2012, 08:26 PM
Do you think Pop will go with Powell instead of Curry? Is there a scenario, I'm not seeing, that would allow for both to stay? Can't see Blair or Neal being dropped.

Well, if Spurs don't want to pick Joseph option for 13-14 this month, they can salary dump him to a team and keep both Powell and Curry without going over the max roster size or the luxury tax threshold.

Saying that, it would makes little sense to keep both without trading away a bigman. Having 7 PF/C (Duncan, Diaw, Splitter, Blair, Bonner, Powell and Curry) that are all seasoned vets is too much. Some of them will be on the roster and never play. Blair would be the easier to trade/cut but he has been playing well this training camp too. At the end, Spurs might regret not having used the amnesty exception on Bonner last July.

elemento
10-11-2012, 08:30 PM
While I agree that Powell has been playing well, if SA keeps Blair and Bonner it makes little sense to bring Powell instead of Curry. Powell is at best the 4th/5th big that comes off the bench to provide some energy. Something like he did when he played in LA. He won't be more than that.



Curry in good day can kill any player in the league in the low-post. SA has to go to the high reward player here, especially considering that Duncan and Manu only have a couple of years left.

elemento
10-11-2012, 08:30 PM
double-post

spurs10
10-11-2012, 09:58 PM
Well, if Spurs don't want to pick Joseph option for 13-14 this month, they can salary dump him to a team and keep both Powell and Curry without going over the max roster size or the luxury tax threshold.

Saying that, it would makes little sense to keep both without trading away a bigman. Having 7 PF/C (Duncan, Diaw, Splitter, Blair, Bonner, Powell and Curry) that are all seasoned vets is too much. Some of them will be on the roster and never play. Blair would be the easier to trade/cut but he has been playing well this training camp too. At the end, Spurs might regret not having used the amnesty exception on Bonner last July.

Thanks for this viewpoint. I agree that 7 bigs is unlikely. I don't think Blair is going anywhere and the amnesty ship on Bonner has sailed. Unfortunately, for Powell, the team probably needs a backup for Tim and Tiago more than a fourth 4. Sure seems like Powell has been playing strong and it will be a damn shame to see him go. I'll get to see him first hand tomorrow....look forward to it.

lefty
10-11-2012, 10:17 PM
Those like me who didnt watch the game thank you timvp :tu

DPG21920
10-11-2012, 10:32 PM
Well, if Spurs don't want to pick Joseph option for 13-14 this month, they can salary dump him to a team and keep both Powell and Curry without going over the max roster size or the luxury tax threshold.

Saying that, it would makes little sense to keep both without trading away a bigman. Having 7 PF/C (Duncan, Diaw, Splitter, Blair, Bonner, Powell and Curry) that are all seasoned vets is too much. Some of them will be on the roster and never play. Blair would be the easier to trade/cut but he has been playing well this training camp too. At the end, Spurs might regret not having used the amnesty exception on Bonner last July.

Shouldn't the Spurs be able to quite easily salary dump Bonner, too? I mean, for his contract, he produces well and big men who can spread the floor are still in high demand (and usually earn solid contracts a la Novak, Ryan Anderson...). With Bonner making less than 4M this year and only having 1M guaranteed next year he seemingly would be fairly simple to salary dump.

DPG21920
10-12-2012, 03:02 PM
Bruno - your thoughts on Bonner's ability to be salary dumped. Don't think it is likely, but if they wanted to, your thoughts on how easy it would be?

Bruno
10-12-2012, 04:09 PM
Bruno - your thoughts on Bonner's ability to be salary dumped. Don't think it is likely, but if they wanted to, your thoughts on how easy it would be?

Salary dumping Bonner is quite complicated. Spurs need to find a team with either enough cap space or a trade exception big enough to take Bonner's salary. After looking at it, there are only 4 teams fitting theses conditions: Magic, Cavs, Nuggets and Suns. Magic and Cavs are rebuilding so I doubt they would want Bonner. Suns might be interested with Frye out. Bonner could fit with Nuggets too if Anthony Randolph struggles.

As you can see, salary dumping Bonner isn't that easy with only 2 realistic possible destinations. You can imagine too other scenarios with some partial salary dumping (Spurs taking back a player with a lower salary than Bonner and then waiving him immediately) but it isn't as interesting as a pure salary dump. The way to get ride of Bonner was to amnesty him but Spurs haven't done it.


Another parameter to the equation for the bigmen is how to manage Blair humanly. He has asked to be traded, has worked out a lot this summer and is in a contract year. Starting the season with him deep on the bench is asking for troubles. I would say that either Blair get consistent playing time or Spurs had to trade him. If Pop decides that the 4th big to play with Duncan, Diaw and Splitter should be either Bonner or Powell, then Blair must be traded.