Real issues will be discussed here..

[SA210]

Instead of all that other nonsense..

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/523004_506568859353942_2044829841_n.jpg

[RandomGuy]

Jill Stein is my gal. I will be watching, thanks.

[Drachen]

I was hoping that they would do something like this.

[Clipper Nation]

Wow, our third party candidates blow chunks this year, tbh.... Gitmo Gary, Jeebotard Goode, Socialist Stein....

[Drachen]

So you are telling me that they are candidates who represent a very large difference from each other? That is usually a good thing for those who would like to choose.

[RandomGuy]

Wow, our third party candidates blow chunks this year, tbh.... Gitmo Gary, Jeebotard Goode, Socialist Stein....

http://www.ontheissues.org/Jill_Stein.htm

Fascinating website.

By most measures, Jill is what most in the country would call a socialist, including a lot I don't fully back.

Anything better than the libertarian candidates though, imo.

[Clipper Nation]

You would love Gitmo Gary, he's all for "humanitarian" wars, subsidies, and oppressive taxation, sounds like the left to me....

[boutons_deux]

Spoiler Alert! G.O.P. Fighting Libertarian's Spot on the Ballot

When he was running for the Republican presidential nomination last year, Gary Johnson, the former two-term Republican governor of New Mexico, drew ridicule from mainstream party members as he advocated legalized marijuana and a 43 percent cut in military spending.

Now campaigning as the Libertarian Party's presidential nominee, Mr. Johnson is still only a blip in the polls. But he is on the ballot in every state except Michigan and Oklahoma, enjoys the support of a few small "super PACs" and is trying to tap into the same grass-roots enthusiasm that helped build Representative Ron Paul a big following. And with polls showing the race between President Obama and Mitt Romney to be tight, Mr. Johnson's once-fellow Republicans are no longer laughing.

Around the country, Republican operatives have been making moves to keep Mr. Johnson from becoming their version of Ralph Nader, the Green Party candidate whose relatively modest support cut into Al Gore's 2000 vote arguably enough to help hand the decisive states of Ohio and Florida to George W. Bush.

The fear of Mr. Johnson's tipping the outcome in an important state may explain why an aide to Mr. Romney ran what was effectively a surveillance operation into Mr. Johnson's efforts over the summer to qualify for the ballot at the Iowa State Fair, providing witnesses to testify in a lawsuit to block him that ultimately fizzled.

Libertarians suspect it is why Republican state officials in Michigan blocked Mr. Johnson from the ballot after he filed proper paperwork three minutes after his filing deadline.

And it is why Republicans in Pennsylvania hired a private detective to investigate his ballot drive in Philadelphia, appearing at the homes of paid canvassers and, in some cases, flashing an F.B.I. badge - he was a retired agent - while asking to review the petitions they gathered at $1 a signature, according to testimony in the case and interviews.

The challenge in Pennsylvania, brought by state Republican Party officials who suspected that Democrats were secretly helping the effort to get Mr. Johnson on the ballot, was shot down in court last week, bringing to 48 the number of states where Mr. Johnson will compete on Nov. 6.

Reince Priebus, the national Republican Party chairman, has called Mr. Johnson a "nonfactor." And Danny Diaz, a spokesman for the Romney campaign, said that its entire focus was on beating Mr. Obama and that "voters understand the stakes are high, and if they want to change the trajectory of this country, they'll vote for Romney."

But Robert Gleason, the Pennsylvania Republican Party chairman, vowing that the state will become far more competitive for Mr. Romney than Democrats realize, said he was not about to give Mr. Johnson an easy opening to play a Nader to Mr. Romney's Gore in Pennsylvania this year.


"This election will be close - if you remember, Bush lost by only something like 143,000 votes in 2004," said Mr. Gleason, noting that his party has managed to disqualify tens of thousands of Libertarian signatures. "So we play the game hard here."

Both sides agree that Mr. Johnson, whose pro-marijuana legalization and antiwar stances may appeal to the youth vote and whose antigovernment, anti-spending proposals may appeal to conservative fiscal hawks - and to supporters of Mr. Paul - has the potential to draw from both Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/us/politics/gary-johnson-the-libertarian-partys-presidential-nominee-worries-republicans.xml;jsessionid=C3C21D25A17FE3C3AF6D8FF 25A64CE3F?f=19 (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/us/politics/gary-johnson-the-libertarian-partys-presidential-nominee-worries-republicans.xml;jsessionid=C3C21D25A17FE3C3AF6D8FF 25A64CE3F?f=19)

[rjv]

You would love Gitmo Gary, he's all for "humanitarian" wars, subsidies, and oppressive taxation, sounds like the left to me....


your definition of the left sounds suspiciously like the right

[Winehole23]

both ends meet not only at the extremes, but somewhere in the vast, gooey middle.

[SA210]

Bump

[Yonivore]

Y'all have fun at the sprint car track while the adults watch the NASCAR race at the tri-oval.

[ChumpDumper]

Yay, sports metaphor!

[SA210]

http://live.freeandequal.org/stream.html (http://live.freeandequal.org/stream.html)

[SA210]

http://live.freeandequal.org/stream.html (http://live.freeandequal.org/stream.html)

Also on C-Span

[SA210]

I'm hearing about Poverty in this debate..what an idea..why didn't the democrats think of that..

[SA210]

The murdering of innocent civilians by drones gets talked about..who'd a thunk it.
The first 20 minutes have covered more REAL info than all of bs red team/blue teams debates put together :lol

[SA210]

NDAA, illegal wars lol All topics missing from Repub/Dem debates and only 30 minutes in

[SA210]

Gary Johnson: "repeal Patriot Act, never would have signed NDAA, bring all troops home tomorrow, marriage equality, end war on drugs!"

[SA210]

Jill Stein: "Dropping bombs on innocent civilians and weddings and funerals is not a way of winning over the hearts and minds of people in the Middle East"

[SA210]

Jill Stein: "free higher public education for everyone"

[SA210]

NDAA question...lol

[SA210]

Rocky Anderson: "NDAA the most Anti-American bill passed"

[SA210]

Next debate is next Tuesday. Obama and Romney wouldn't last 10 minutes with these people lol

[Clipper Nation]

Gary Johnson: "repeal Patriot Act, never would have signed NDAA, bring all troops home tomorrow, marriage equality, end war on drugs!"
Nice platitudes from Gary, but it's very easy to find what his real views are, tbh....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Gary Johnson: "repeal Patriot Act, never would have signed NDAA, bring all troops home tomorrow, marriage equality, end war on drugs!"

Gary Johnson: "Continue to advocate for privatization as the solution to everything because I'm too stupid to realize privatized prisons and big pharma are the reason we have lobbyists keeping the war on drugs going!"

[SA210]

lol

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/580800_295817927184874_1614195512_n.jpg

[Jacob1983]

Virgil Goode's accent FTW! He sounds like a southern televangelist. I would not be surprised if he is a racist or has racist leanings but he is right when it comes to immigration.

[SA210]

Virgil Goode's accent FTW! He sounds like a southern televangelist. I would not be surprised if he is a racist or has racist leanings but he is right when it comes to immigration.

:lmao Every time I heard him speak he did seem racist lol. Just something about the way he spoke about it

[SA210]

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/404283_295818623851471_2036422262_n.jpg

[SA210]

lol

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/420836_295820080517992_1930815658_n.jpg

[SA210]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/598766_295821600517840_823168224_n.jpg

[ElNono]

http://i50.tinypic.com/n50hh3.jpg

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

How does the OP feel about Gary Johnson's love for privatized entities (like privatized prisons)?

[SA210]

I never said I was voting Gary Johnson, as you can see I have quoted 2 other candidates as well. I know how I feel about unconstitutional drone murders of innocent women and kids though.

[SA210]

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/183973_295823393850994_1291372296_n.jpg

[Jacob1983]

Apparently, Mr. Goode has a decent following in Virginia and is well liked in his hometown. He's right about Obamney when it comes to illegal immigration. Obamney just wants to coddle and pamper illegal immigrants and not treat illegal immigration as a crime unless the illegal immigrants participate in crimes. Illegal immigration is a crime. No fuckin' excuses or exceptions. That's one thing that I disagree with Gary Johnson on. He's somewhat soft on illegal immigration. Just think of all the crimes that would have been prevented if the illegal immigrants had never been allowed to set foot on American soil. If someone from Mexico or Iceland(yep, Iceland) enters America illegally and kills someone on American soil then that murder might have been prevented if America wasn't a pussy on immigration.

[SA210]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoNPO4h2quk

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Next debate is next Tuesday. Obama and Romney wouldn't last 10 minutes with these people lol

It's more like they would not be able to handle all the hidden lobby cash that would come up against them if they actually were politically relevant. I wish they had a seat at the stage. Two parties is much easier to co-opt than 6.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://i50.tinypic.com/n50hh3.jpg

Your position just tells me that you deserve the fucked up political system we have.

[TE]

http://i50.tinypic.com/n50hh3.jpg


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[SA210]

http://i50.tinypic.com/n50hh3.jpg

moronic

[Clipper Nation]

Gary Johnson: "Continue to advocate for privatization as the solution to everything because I'm too stupid to realize privatized prisons and big pharma are the reason we have lobbyists keeping the war on drugs going!"

Gary Johnson: "Be libertarian with me.... but ignore my support of the FairTax plan that doesn't reform taxation, all the tax breaks I handed out as governor, my 'leaving-everything-on-the-table' approach to drones and military bases, my desire to send in the troops to get Kony, and my love of the death penalty even for kids first....."

[leemajors]

Apparently, Mr. Goode has a decent following in Virginia and is well liked in his hometown. He's right about Obamney when it comes to illegal immigration. Obamney just wants to coddle and pamper illegal immigrants and not treat illegal immigration as a crime unless the illegal immigrants participate in crimes. Illegal immigration is a crime. No fuckin' excuses or exceptions. That's one thing that I disagree with Gary Johnson on. He's somewhat soft on illegal immigration. Just think of all the crimes that would have been prevented if the illegal immigrants had never been allowed to set foot on American soil. If someone from Mexico or Iceland(yep, Iceland) enters America illegally and kills someone on American soil then that murder might have been prevented if America wasn't a pussy on immigration.

Not as many that could have been prevented if the police weren't wasting their time on potheads.

[Clipper Nation]

Virgil Goode is also a full out Jeebotard who supports the War on Drugs and thinks only Christians are entitled to religious freedom....

[ElNono]

Your position just tells me that you deserve the fucked up political system we have.

Even if I despise the current political system (which I do), none of these 3rd party candidates have even a minimum shot at affecting said system.

All these debates are effectively a waste of time.

[boutons_deux]

"All these debates are effectively a waste of time."

voting is a waste of time.

[SnakeBoy]

I missed it. Who was the Biggest Loser?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Even if I despise the current political system (which I do), none of these 3rd party candidates have even a minimum shot at affecting said system.

All these debates are effectively a waste of time.

None of them do because there are whole legions such as yourself that discount them out of hand and thereby just cede power to the establishment.

[SA210]

none of these 3rd party candidates have even a minimum shot at affecting said system.



Because of people like you

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Because of people like you

No, it is because of the candidates themselves. People just are just not buying their BS.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, it is because of the candidates themselves. People just are just not buying their BS.

Nice blanket dismissal. How many people do you think know of the existence of the Constitution Party?

[ElNono]

None of them do because there are whole legions such as yourself that discount them out of hand and thereby just cede power to the establishment.


Because of people like you

It has nothing to do with me, tbh. The problem here is that 90% or so of the population either don't care at all about the system or are proud team players.

The difference here is that I accept reality for what it is, and understand that the only way to change this system will come from within the system.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are one of the millions. The more people that support a more plural system, the more people will bandwagon along. That is the nature of humans: too many of us do not think for ourselves. The trend is a realty as well. Go to Pew Research's site and look up their polls in terms of party affiliation. There are fewer people that identify with either party than ever before. Generation Y is leading the charge in that respect and they are going to be around for quite some time.

[Clipper Nation]

Truth bombs... the Boomers are the only ones keeping this shit 2-party system in place because both parties just promise them every handout in the world....

[Trainwreck2100]

The problem with this country is there's a lot more ignorant people than smart people. Note that i didn't say stupid but ignorant. They get their ideas spoonfed to them because it's easier than actually learning on their own.

[ElNono]

Changing this system requires extraordinary power. You'll get a more plural system when there's term limits, when money is taken away from politics, etc. They're all changes that have to come from the system itself.

[Trainwreck2100]

Changing this system requires extraordinary power. You'll get a more plural system when there's term limits, when money is taken away from politics, etc. They're all changes that have to come from the system itself.
honestly I'll settle for non anonymous donoring, cause the money is always going to be there

[ElNono]

honestly I'll settle for non anonymous donoring, cause the money is always going to be there

that'd be a good first step... which we had. unfortunately it was destroyed by Citizens United.

But if change is gonna come, that's the way it's gonna happen.

[Jacob1983]

Americans rely on Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Rachel Maddow, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Anderson Cooper, and Lawrence O'Donnell for their information. It's sad but true. Most Americans are ignorant when it comes to politics. They are either on a bandwagon of a party or just go with the flow like a sheep.

[SA210]

Wow, Lawrence O' Donnell had a great segment..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9TAZRYO-Tc

[Jacob1983]

Maybe, the guy from Wearechange got through to him on the NDAA.