View Full Version : Spurs should look at Raja Bell and Paul Millsap!
td4mvp2k
10-14-2012, 08:42 PM
:flipoff
Trading Jack for Raja Bell?
NO
sinok
10-14-2012, 08:51 PM
Bell is done and Millsap is something like 6.6.
Not really a right step into fixing the spurs troubles inside...
Try again.
td4mvp2k
10-14-2012, 08:52 PM
Well they have to give up talent to get it. I know his deal is keeping the team from getting better.
Blair is a poor-mans Millsap. Especially if that jumper proves to translate into real game situations.
And even then, he's still probably on the way out.
No thanks.
You do realize that while he IS overpaid for a guy coming off the bench he's a perfect fit for the Spurs, and is a winner?
There's a reason PATFO went after him after he got traded to Golden State.
td4mvp2k
10-14-2012, 08:55 PM
No, he's 6"8 and plays like a 7 footer and Bell with a team like the Spurs would bring the best out of him.
td4mvp2k
10-14-2012, 08:58 PM
Jack can easily be replaced and good bigs are hard to come by.
While giving up depth on the wing and a high-stakes player? I like Millsap (especially when he went HAM against Miami) but still, :lol
And clutch shooting is harder to replace. :lol
I'm tempted to pull the trigger purely to see Stephen Jackson play in front of that Utah crowd.
Juggity
10-14-2012, 09:04 PM
No, he's 6"8 and plays like a 7 footer and Bell with a team like the Spurs would bring the best out of him.
Bell is way too old, and completely done.
I'd rather have our current team than gamble away pieces on the chance Millsap is a slight defensive improvement over Blair at many times the price.
td4mvp2k
10-14-2012, 09:04 PM
Ya and where did that clutch shooting take them? Btw he's not the only one who's clutch. If you haven't noticed tthe team is filled with wings.
td4mvp2k
10-14-2012, 09:07 PM
Bell is 100% healthy and his defense and shooting would do the Spurs good.
Green disappeared and Jackson shot 50/60/90... just saying...
Eh, never mind.
td4mvp2k
10-14-2012, 09:11 PM
Ya if you like getting slapped in the face and keep the team like it is go ahead but the problem is obvious.
Spursfan092120
10-14-2012, 09:11 PM
smmfh
Ice009
10-14-2012, 09:21 PM
Jack can easily be replaced and good bigs are hard to come by.
I'd rather replace you. Jackson is a lot better for this team that you are giving him credit for. You can't teach toughness and clutch shooting. Raja Bell is nowhere near Jack when it comes to playoff ball. I haven't seen him do jack shit in the playoffs to make a huge difference to a team's chances of winning it all. Haven't seen Milsap do anything either. Jack has come up big in the playoffs, time and time again for numerous teams.
sananspursfan21
10-14-2012, 09:40 PM
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td4mvp2k
10-14-2012, 09:40 PM
Ya replace the one who can see... Jackson's tough and clutch D was really useful as Durant beat him time and time again... I guess you have been unaware or just blind cause Bell has been a big part of winning teams and so has Sap so go take a look.
ElNono
10-14-2012, 09:47 PM
What winning teams Bell has been part of?
Put the bottle down and walk away, tbh
sananspursfan21
10-14-2012, 09:48 PM
Ya replace the one who can see... Jackson's tough and clutch D was really useful as Durant beat him time and time again... I guess you have been unaware or just blind cause Bell has been a big part of winning teams and so has Sap so go take a look.
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Juggity
10-14-2012, 09:56 PM
Ya replace the one who can see... Jackson's tough and clutch D was really useful as Durant beat him time and time again... I guess you have been unaware or just blind cause Bell has been a big part of winning teams and so has Sap so go take a look.
:lol Durant is the best scorer in the league by a wiiiiiiide margin. Raja Bell is not going to stop Kevin Durant any more than Steven Jackson or, for that matter, Kawhi will.
td4mvp2k
10-14-2012, 10:04 PM
Really? Because I never said Bell or Leonard can and you can't tell me Jack is the defender Bell is... Btw Leonard was a rook and still did a good job.
Juggity
10-14-2012, 10:14 PM
Really? Because I never said Bell or Leonard can and you can't tell me Jack is the defender Bell is... Btw Leonard was a rook and still did a good job.
You definitely suggested that Raja Bell would be able to stop Kevin Durant
td4mvp2k
10-14-2012, 10:17 PM
No... But I wouldn't be surprised if he did a better job.
SenorSpur
10-14-2012, 10:39 PM
No to both.
TDMVPDPOY
10-14-2012, 11:46 PM
trading to get older...lol spurs is not a retirement center
td4mvp2k
10-15-2012, 12:25 AM
No...Trading to get better and there would still be more younger players on the team...You need a mix of both to get where you want to be.
timvp
10-15-2012, 12:57 AM
Suggesting a trade for Millsap isn't outlandish but suggesting that Bell can help hurts your credibility. Bell is beyond done as a basketball player. He's been horrible the last two seasons and his defense fell off a cliff in 2008.
dunkman
10-15-2012, 01:35 AM
Millsap for Bonner, Blair and Neal? Could be. And then add Curry as the 5th big.
But I sincerely doubt the Spurs will go over the tax.
td4mvp2k
10-15-2012, 02:08 AM
Ha...08? Wrong...He was still playing well even with the Bobcats and who would want to play there...Ya...He's so done that the Spurs wanted to sign him... Before signing with the Jazz... He's so done his first season he started almost all yr and avg more min's than a person who was said to be done would, and he also helped them make the playoffs before getting injured and having differences with the team into the next yr! So the only cred that is hurt is your's..."TIMVP"...Ha.
td4mvp2k
10-15-2012, 02:18 AM
Dunkman, Ya Jackson would almost have to be in any trade for a good big in the league that can help the team just cause of the numbers.
Juggity
10-15-2012, 02:26 AM
Ha...08? Wrong...He was still playing well even with the Bobcats and who would want to play there...Ya...He's so done that the Spurs wanted to sign him... Before signing with the Jazz... He's so done his first season he started almost all yr and avg more min's than a person who was said to be done would, and he also helped them make the playoffs before getting injured and having differences with the team into the next yr! So the only cred that is hurt is your's..."TIMVP"...Ha.
Hard to tell if this is a genuine gnsf or a troll disguised as one
chazley
10-15-2012, 02:45 AM
The Spurs really need another wing, so he would help.
td4mvp2k
10-15-2012, 02:48 AM
Hard to tell if this is a genuine gnsf or a troll disguised as oneThat must come from experience...Ha.
Raja Bell is so bad these days he got kicked out of the playoff rotation and the Jazz basically told him not to come to training camp.
Ice009
10-15-2012, 03:24 AM
Ha...08? Wrong...He was still playing well even with the Bobcats and who would want to play there...Ya...He's so done that the Spurs wanted to sign him... Before signing with the Jazz... He's so done his first season he started almost all yr and avg more min's than a person who was said to be done would, and he also helped them make the playoffs before getting injured and having differences with the team into the next yr! So the only cred that is hurt is your's..."TIMVP"...Ha.
You're right that the Spurs wanted him, but he also turned the Spurs down. He obviously didn't want to play here so that is another reason I simply don't give a fuck about him. He had his chance and passed up on it. Spurs even put in a good word for him back in the day when they cut him from training camp years ago. I think it was Pop who put in a good word for him with Larry Brown to play for the Sixers?
Sjax on the other hand wanted to come back here. He wants to be here and I wanted him back on the team. Raja Bell doesn't want to be here so I simply don't give a shit about him.
td4mvp2k
10-15-2012, 04:21 AM
Who knows maybe Bell would want to be here if it means being out of Utah. Btw if you want bad just look at Jack's % from last season.
Who knows maybe Bell would want to be here if it means being out of Utah. Btw if you want bad just look at Jack's % from last season.
He was bad in Milwaukee but good in San Antonio. Learn to look at the shooting splits.
td4mvp2k
10-15-2012, 04:37 AM
He was bad in Milwaukee but good in San Antonio. Learn to look at the shooting splits.Ya if you call 30% in S.A. good then maybe I'm not the one that need's to learn something...Ha.
BG_Spurs_Fan
10-15-2012, 04:42 AM
Ya if you call 30% in S.A. good then maybe I'm not the one that need's to learn something...Ha.
So to you his regular season numbers are more important than his playoff numbers?
td4mvp2k
10-15-2012, 04:44 AM
They should be...They pay him to much not to be.
I. Hustle
10-15-2012, 05:05 AM
GNSF
Guess GNSF never heard about Horry, tbh...
Buddy Holly
10-15-2012, 06:18 AM
Friends don't let stupid friends create posts.
Raja Bell is crap wrapped in a turd covered in poop and encased in shit. From your constant cheerleading for Bell one can only come to the following conclusions: you're Raja Bell himself or you're Raja Bell's agent.
ChuckD
10-15-2012, 07:15 AM
Guess GNSF never heard about Horry, tbh...
ChuckD
10-15-2012, 07:21 AM
So to you his regular season numbers are more important than his playoff numbers?
They should be...They pay him to much not to be.
We have enough pussies on the roster that ONLY produce in the regular season.
Obviously, the Spurs disagree with you since they flipped one of those, Richard Jefferson, for Jack, the post season assassin.
SpurNation
10-15-2012, 07:24 AM
No to that trade but this may be a better possibility.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9lfxxhn
Spurs secure their post rotation with a proven starter in Smith. Diaw strengthens the bench as primary back up. Spurs open roster space to sign more than one prospect from camp. Curry, Powell, Brown, Witherspoon?
Jazz get to realocate their bigs moving backup to starter now that Milsap will be gone and receive in Blair a strong back up. Neal provides a huge upgrade to Utah's dismal 3 point efficiency from last season as well as Jackson's expiring which would help in retaining Neal for the future and/or go after other players. Plus Jackson gives the Jazz for at least one season depth to make a post season run than they would have in Bell.
Hawks will have to consider what to do about Smith next season and may not be financially able to resign Smith. Milsap a proven starter would be more easily resigned for the same as to a little less than Smith yet provide the talent the Jazz would be loosing in Smith for a longer duration.
All three teams have former gm's from each team now part of the management of the other team. Each know the other and the players mentioned.
Not saying this will happen. Odds are not. But to me makes more since if we're going to throw trade ideas involving the teams and players mentioned.
Raven
10-15-2012, 07:30 AM
Millsap is awesome, but raja is in the sam league that josh howard is, so don't even bother.. Anyway i wouldn't give jax anyway...
Some must have missed all the clutch shooting SJax did in the playoffs. Bell didn't want to come to SA when he had the chance (after PHX?) - probably residual hate from SAS' beat down of PHX all those years. SJax wants to be here - hope he retires in SA - just less minutes as Leonard gets more and more.
Some must have missed all the clutch shooting SJax did in the playoffs. Bell didn't want to come to SA when he had the chance (after PHX?) - probably residual hate from SAS' beat down of PHX all those years. SJax wants to be here - hope he retires in SA - just less minutes as Leonard gets more and more.
If they can sign him for a cheaper deal after this season sure why not (I'm pretty sure Manu will accept a paycut if he felt good).
td4mvp2k
10-15-2012, 03:33 PM
Friends don't let stupid friends create posts. Raja Bell is crap wrapped in a turd covered in poop and encased in shit. From your constant cheerleading for Bell one can only come to the following conclusions: you're Raja Bell himself or you're Raja Bell's agent.Given you're view of the subject... I can see what you mean about friends not letting friends...
td4mvp2k
10-15-2012, 03:44 PM
We have enough pussies on the roster that ONLY produce in the regular season. Obviously, the Spurs disagree with you since they flipped one of those, Richard Jefferson, for Jack, the post season assassin.Obviously they do... Since you don't know why they made that trade... And no... It wasn't for a "post season assassin"... Ha.
Buddy Holly
10-15-2012, 05:33 PM
Given you're view of the subject... I can see what you mean about friends not letting friends...
Your*
td4mvp2k
10-15-2012, 05:49 PM
Your*Ya....Try again.
maybe 3 or 4 years ago but now, danny green is a much better option
TDMVPDPOY
10-15-2012, 06:05 PM
this thread and the korver thread.....reeks of fail
Obviously they do... Since you don't know why they made that trade... And no... It wasn't for a "post season assassin"... Ha.
Sjax hits big shots all the time, son... Going ham by scoring 33 on the Mavs while holding _irk to 8 points, tbh... Leading the Bobcats to the playoffs.... Hitting all those threes to close out the Nets in 2003...
td4mvp2k
10-15-2012, 06:37 PM
Sjax hits big shots all the time, son... Going ham by scoring 33 on the Mavs while holding _irk to 8 points, tbh... Leading the Bobcats to the playoffs.... Hitting all those threes to close out the Nets in 2003...Ya... And that really helped the Spurs as they were being beat down by OKC..."SON".
Ya... And that really helped the Spurs as they were being beat down by OKC..."SON".
It wasn't Jackson who disappeared in Game 6, tbh... 6-7 from 3, son... giving Durant fits in Game 1...
TDMVPDPOY
10-15-2012, 06:54 PM
lol if bell was that good, he wouldve made the rotation for the jizz playoff roster last season...
Exactly - he got replaced by Gordon "7 playoff PER" Hayward.
td4mvp2k
10-15-2012, 07:10 PM
It wasn't Jackson who disappeared in Game 6, tbh... 6-7 from 3, son... giving Durant fits in Game 1...Ya... He only disappeared in game 1 and 2...Sun!
td4mvp2k
10-15-2012, 07:16 PM
lol if bell was that good, he wouldve made the rotation for the jizz playoff roster last season...Ha... You're right... He's to good to play for the Jazz.
SenorSpur
10-15-2012, 07:26 PM
The question is why would the Spurs be interested in either? Bell is done and Millsap has another undersized frontcourt player, but one with a big contract.
Let's move on.
td4mvp2k
10-15-2012, 07:37 PM
They said Grant Hill was done and he came back and did well. There have been many good undersized big's who were game changers.
RuffnReadyOzStyle
10-15-2012, 09:04 PM
Forget Bell, but Millsap is an excellent player at both ends in his prime with a great jumper who has even shown 3pt range when he feels like it. Find a way to bring Millsap here and I'm all for it.
MR.SILVER&BLack
10-15-2012, 09:29 PM
Millsap i like but wouldn't fit as he would be the 4th or even 5th option. Spurs have enough offense & jackson size & physical perimeter defense is too valuable. Bells done.
TDMVPDPOY
10-15-2012, 10:16 PM
millsap was so good, he didnt do anything against the spurs last playoffs series...umm
Ice009
10-15-2012, 10:21 PM
No to either player. Millsap I don't think fits with what the Spurs need. He's too short. How is his defense? As far as I can recall, it is average, please correct me if I am wrong on that.
Ya... And that really helped the Spurs as they were being beat down by OKC..."SON".
Implying that if you switch Jax with a player who can't even make the squad for the Utah Jazz of all teams, that the Spurs would have had no trouble at all with OKC...
The stupidity of this thread astounds me. Your idea was terrible. No one has backed it up. Stop digging yourself further into the ground. Move on.
td4mvp2k
10-15-2012, 11:28 PM
Implying that if you switch Jax with a player who can't even make the squad for the Utah Jazz of all teams, that the Spurs would have had no trouble at all with OKC...The stupidity of this thread astounds me. Your idea was terrible. No one has backed it up. Stop digging yourself further into the ground. Move on.The fact that you think you need help is sorry... And to think he can't make a squad is "stupidity" after he started over a 100 games for them...Ha. The only thing that "astounds" haha...is your post that has zero reason to think the idea is anything but "terrible" so maybe you're the one that needs to find a hole and move on...Ha.
Buddy Holly
10-15-2012, 11:44 PM
Ya....Try again.
Pretty sure I'm correct. I'd probably be incorrect if this were Idiotsville, also known as the place you currently reside in.
td4mvp2k
10-16-2012, 12:13 AM
Pretty sure I'm correct. I'd probably be incorrect if this were Idiotsville, also known as the place you currently reside in.No...YOUR still off... Because it's weak like YOUR-self and all the other things you have said... So keep trying...
Buddy Holly
10-16-2012, 01:20 AM
No...YOUR still off... Because it's weak like YOUR-self and all the other things you have said... So keep trying...
Your grammar is as impressive as your judging of basketball players.
Juggity
10-16-2012, 01:24 AM
One of the more belligerent defenses of an absolutely idiotic idea that I have seen on Spurstalk
This can't be a real poster. :lol
td4mvp2k
10-16-2012, 02:20 AM
Your grammar is as impressive as your judging of basketball players.That must be a plus coming from you and YOUR view on the issue...Ha. YOUR still not there...
Juventini
10-16-2012, 03:01 AM
td4mvp2k (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36140) Remind me of Manu_Forever. Is this his alt?
Buddy Holly
10-16-2012, 03:45 AM
td4mvp2k (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36140) Remind me of Manu_Forever. Is this his alt?
More than likely or just one of many class of troll that populate the Internet world.
td4mvp2k
10-16-2012, 04:35 AM
More than likely or just one of many class of troll that populate the Internet world........ Done!
jesterbobman
10-16-2012, 04:54 AM
Not happening. Basically every metric has Millsap as a far better player than Jackson, so there's no way there'd be a trade unless we gave them enough to make it even over multiple years. Splitter, S-Jax, Neal, 1st for Millsap and cap ballast would be close, but I don't know if Utah would accept.
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