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boutons_deux
10-15-2012, 04:45 PM
Since World War Two, manufacturing jobs have grown under Democratic presidents (http://keystoneresearch.org/media-center/press-releases/manufacturing-jobs-growth-differs-sharply-across-post-world-ii-president) and faced more challenges under Republicans, a new study reported on Monday.

Democratic presidents presided over estimated employment rise of 7 million in the manufacturing sector over the course of seven administrations; In nine administrations, Republicans saw a fall of manufacturing jobs by an estimated 9 million.

The Keystone Research Center broke down those numbers (http://keystoneresearch.org/media-center/press-releases/manufacturing-jobs-growth-differs-sharply-across-post-world-ii-president) by region:


Trends in four regions reflect long-term shifts of manufacturing away from the Northeast and the Midwest and towards the South and the West. Averaging results using the three estimation methods:

- In the Northeast, about 4 million manufacturing jobs were lost in Republican administrations and nearly 900,000 gained in Democratic.
- In the Midwest, about 3.2 million manufacturing jobs were lost in Republican administrations and about 2 million created in Democratic.
- In the South, about 925,000 manufacturing jobs were lost in Republican administrations and about 2.1 million manufacturing jobs created in Democratic.
- In the West, about 380,000 manufacturing jobs were lost in Republican administrations and about 1.55 million jobs created in Democratic.


“These are big differences” said Dr. Colin Gordon, a senior research consultant on the report. “If the manufacturing jobs score under Republicans had matched that under Democrats, the U.S. would have roughly twice as many manufacturing jobs (http://keystoneresearch.org/media-center/press-releases/manufacturing-jobs-growth-differs-sharply-across-post-world-ii-president) as it does today—the U.S. manufacturing jobs share today would be similar to Germany’s.” The study also found that specific states tended to perform better based on which party was in power at any given time. Iowa and Wisconsin, for example, broke just about even on the number of jobs created under either party.

For his part, President Obama has helped to quell the loss in manufacturing jobs during his time in office. He’s created half a million (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/06/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-us-has-gained-half-million-ma/) manufacturing jobs, but hasn’t yet reached a net gain since manufacturing was hit hardest by the 2008 recession.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/10/15/1014641/manufacturing-jobs-democrats/

Repugs, Trusted on the Economy! :lol

and Trusted on NatSec (9/11) ! :lol

TeyshaBlue
10-15-2012, 04:57 PM
lol Keystone Research Center. And you call Cato hacks.

Claiming Keystone Progress as some thoughtful, nonpartisan group is like claiming the Fox News is the champion of Fair and Balanced.

Btw...where's the data?


Oh, it's not there. Which is generally how KRC likes their studies.

boutons_deux
10-15-2012, 06:35 PM
show us YOUR team's numbers.

ElNono
10-15-2012, 06:39 PM
Btw...where's the data?

FWIW, the data is here (http://keystoneresearch.org/sites/default/files/KRC_ManufacturingJobsScore.pdf) if you want to peruse it.

TeyshaBlue
10-15-2012, 06:49 PM
FWIW, the data is here (http://keystoneresearch.org/sites/default/files/KRC_ManufacturingJobsScore.pdf) if you want to peruse it.

All I found were weighted figures with no legend.

TeyshaBlue
10-15-2012, 06:50 PM
show us YOUR team's numbers.

It's a question nobody's asking, tbh. Singling out manufacturing jobs has a predetermined conclusion. It's a confirmation bias study that is intentionally opaque.

TeyshaBlue
10-15-2012, 06:51 PM
show us YOUR team's numbers.

and lol @ team. Grow the fuck up.

ElNono
10-15-2012, 06:53 PM
All I found were weighted figures with no legend.

You didn't look much? :lol

Not saying the data is credible or not, but at least they explain methodology and give access to their data and algorithms...

The actual raw data can be downloaded from these two links (which are in the article):
http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/manufacturingbyadminsince1948states/ManJobsbyState?:embed=y
http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/manufacturingbyadminsince1948statesmap/ManJobsMap?:embed=y

boutons_deux
10-15-2012, 06:54 PM
and lol @ team. Grow the fuck up.

you hurt me! you really, really hurt me.

and show us ANY numbers that refute the OP

TeyshaBlue
10-15-2012, 06:58 PM
You didn't look much? :lol

Not saying the data is credible or not, but at least they explain methodology and give access to their data and algorithms...

The actual raw data can be downloaded from these two links (which are in the article):
http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/manufacturingbyadminsince1948states/ManJobsbyState?:embed=y
http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/manufacturingbyadminsince1948statesmap/ManJobsMap?:embed=y

That's not data. That's a chart summary. The raw data that makes up the charts is what I was looking for.

TeyshaBlue
10-15-2012, 07:00 PM
you hurt me! you really, really hurt me.

and show us ANY numbers that refute the OP

I can't refute what I can't see, idiot.

ElNono
10-15-2012, 07:01 PM
That's not data. That's a chart summary. The raw data that makes up the charts is what I was looking for.

There's a "download" link at the bottom to download the actual worksheets. Might need an account on that service though.

TeyshaBlue
10-15-2012, 07:01 PM
Here are the data tables, weighted by reporting methodology.

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/time.series/sa

It's about as transparent as concrete.

TeyshaBlue
10-15-2012, 07:05 PM
"From 1990 to current the BLS indentifies manufacturing employment based on the North American Industry Classification System (NAICS). Because what is considered manufacturing differs between the SIC and NAICS the two series are not directly comparable. At the aggregate level—manufacturing as a whole, the two series differ only slightly, and changes over time for years in which both series exist produce similar results for states and the nation."

Guess I should just take their word for it, eh?

Not likely.

ElNono
10-15-2012, 07:09 PM
hey, don't shoot the messenger... you were asking for the data they used...

TeyshaBlue
10-15-2012, 07:13 PM
hey, don't shoot the messenger... you were asking for the data they used...

I'm installing that tableau platform.....

TeyshaBlue
10-15-2012, 07:20 PM
Hey, that tableau app is pretty cool. Its just a reporting engine tho. No data tables. When you download the files they just populate charts with no access to the underlying data.

TeyshaBlue
10-15-2012, 07:21 PM
I'm keeping that tool tho. Should come in handy. :tu

ElNono
10-15-2012, 07:21 PM
Hey, that tableau app is pretty cool. Its just a reporting engine tho. No data tables. When you download the files they just populate charts with no access to the underlying data.

Oh... I saw it said it had 3/4 worksheets on each download page.

TeyshaBlue
10-15-2012, 07:21 PM
Each worksheet is a chart template. No data.

TeyshaBlue
10-15-2012, 07:22 PM
Worthy find tho.

ElNono
10-15-2012, 07:23 PM
sorry, my bad... that tableau is win only, I'm on a mac

DMC
10-15-2012, 07:23 PM
There certainly haven't been many presidential jobs created by Dems.