Live Presidential Debate Thread - Debate #2

[jack sommerset]

IMHO Obama is flaming out

Obamas start was awful. I thought I had satellite instead of cable. He would pause after 3-4 words and I thought it sound was going out. God bless

[jack sommerset]

IMHO Obama is flaming out

Obamas start was awful. I thought I had satellite instead of cable. He would pause after 3-4 words and I thought the sound was going out like durning a storm. God bless

[Nbadan]

I will.. How?

[baseline bum]

Mitt kicking ass on this question

Are you fucking retarded? Balanced budgets by tax cuts? :rollin

Preserving Medicare by destroying it?

[Nbadan]

Bamm

[ElNono]

hammer time

[mavs>spurs]

Obama trying to sound pro-business

:lmao

[angrydude]

Obama's plan for America: more educated, unemployed, debt slaves

[Nbadan]

Drop the hammer

[baseline bum]

Obama killing this question. Romney with a couple of whoppers of lies. :rollin

[Reck]

Are you fucking retarded? Balanced budgets by tax cuts? :rollin

Preserving Medicare by destroying it?

I swear man, these republican voters are one of the most blinds motherfuckers I have ever seen.

[resistanze]

Dropped the 47% hammer lol

[mavs>spurs]

I swear man, these republican voters are one of the most blinds motherfuckers I have ever seen.

says the guy over there thinking obama won :lmao

[ElNono]

that was clear and concise... refreshing if full of shit

[Nbadan]

Poll time

[jack sommerset]

"Ill cut the deficit in half" said Obama four years ago.... Mitt today " you doubled it" that sums it up for the independents. God bless

[Juggity]

"Romney cares about 0% of the 47%"

[DarrinS]

Obama took Romney to task in this debate.

This time it was both tone & content.


He got some jabs in, but kept getting counter punched by his record.

[Reck]

says the guy over there thinking obama won :lmao

Obama is going to get re-elected.

There is no doubt.

[ElNono]

"Ill cut the deficit in half" said Obama four years ago.... Mitt today " you doubled it" that sums it up for the independents. God bless

tbh, you wouldn't know an independent if they pissed on your face, jack...

[MannyIsGod]

Government does not create jobs! Can I please have this government job?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

tbh, you wouldn't know an independent if they pissed on your face, jack...

:lol

[ElNono]

anyways... missed almost the whole damn thing... hope the first hour and a half was better than the last 15 mins

[Nbadan]

Not really

[FromWayDowntown]

The Red Team would think that Romney had done all that was necessary to woo undecideds/independents if he just uttered a single word repeatedly for 45 minutes.

The Blue Team would think the same thing of Obama.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I watched a little blurb and thought to myself: why on Earth does not Obama ask people to look up the truth of what he was saying that this is the information age and it can be looked up quite easily.

Romney is so full of shit about his line about not cutting taxes for the upper class or at least he has changed his story once again.

I quit watching; it just irritated the hell out of me.

[DarrinS]

Lol -- lib talking heads calling this a clear victory

I guess Obama not being in a coma is a victory

Lol -- no audio for George Will's comments

[angrydude]

I want a debate about civil liberties. Oh wait, that'll never happen. Instead we get 3 blubbering assholes puking shit for 2 hours

[ElNono]

The Red Team would think that Romney had done all that was necessary to woo undecideds/independents if he just uttered a single word repeatedly for 45 minutes.

The Blue Team would think the same thing of Obama.

pretty much

[Nbadan]

It was an Obama victory

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lol -- lib talking heads calling this a clear victory

I guess Obama not being in a coma is a victory

Lol -- no audio for George Will's comments

:lol you thinking anyone here sees you as even marginally objective.

[ElNono]

I want a debate about civil liberties. Oh wait, that'll never happen. Instead we get 3 blubbering assholes puking shit for 2 hours

China!

[Dex]

The Red Team would think that Romney had done all that was necessary to woo undecideds/independents if he just uttered a single word repeatedly for 45 minutes.

The Blue Team would think the same thing of Obama.

And this, in a nutshell, is American politics.

Which is exactly why I have a hard time giving a fuck. I just think Romney is a douchebag.

[mavs>spurs]

crofl obama people claiming victory is like what posters do on this board when declaring themselves the victor in the middle of an argument :lmao

[Nbadan]

Did you even watch the debate or you waiting to see what faux says.

[baseline bum]

Obama really dropped the ball in not being able to tie Romney to Bush when they have the same basic economic religion.

[Reck]

Did you even watch the debate or you waiting to see what faux says.

Short answer, no.

[angrydude]

Obama channeling his inner Joe Biden is not all that was required for him to win the debate. Most of the time debates are rather meaningless in Presidential elections

[mavs>spurs]

u talking about me dumbshit? is that your awesome rebuttal? that i didn't watch the debate? i didnt miss a minute

[DarrinS]

I'd call that one a draw -- I doubt either candidate moved any undecided voters. Mitt doesn't have the baggage of the last four years

[CitizenDwayne]

I'd call that one a draw -- I doubt either candidate moved any undecided voters. Mitt doesn't have the baggage of the last four years

Pretty much sums it up imo

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Obama really dropped the ball in not being able to tie Romney to Bush when they have the same basic economic religion.

During the 5 minutes i watched he talked about 'the same supply side policies' which is exactly that but his phrasing is probably not explicit enough for the US electorate.

[SA210]

Did anyone listening to the debate hear anything about DARPA drones, ACTA, NDAA, SOPA, HR 347, much substance on phony sanctions or phony foreign aid, education debt, the Federal Reserve, QE3, eminent domain and property rights, UN troop presence, mic slips, teleprompters at conventions, failed and crony TARP and GM bailouts, CFR, TLC and NATO membership, TSA, HUD, DHS, NSA and FDA expansion, FEMA and CIA black secret black ops budgets, 9/11 questions, Monsanto, Mars Candy, Dupont, Johnson & Johnson, Goldman Sachs and other corporations crony fascist government takeovers and operations...? Didn't hear anything about the DHS and IRS buying up vast amounts of ammo and weapons with our money. How about you?

lol Fake wins
lol Illusion of debate and choice
lol red/blue

[mavs>spurs]

it was a draw or slight romney edge despite the fact that the moderation seemed to be slanted. obama got like 3 more minutes total and always got to go first, and the moderator interrupted romney on every question.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'd call that one a draw -- I doubt either candidate moved any undecided voters. Mitt doesn't have the baggage of the last four years

I didn't watch it to make a comment one way or another but considering your extreme bias this sounds like a win for Obama.

[Nbadan]

Let's poll it

[FromWayDowntown]

Obama channeling his inner Joe Biden is not all that was required for him to win the debate. Most of the time debates are rather meaningless in Presidential elections

If people are voting based on debating styles or even based upon the things that are said in modern debates, it's little wonder our political system is as dysfunctional as it seems.

[Juggity]

it was a draw or slight romney edge despite the fact that the moderation seemed to be slanted. obama got like 3 more minutes total and always got to go first, and the moderator interrupted romney on every question.

:cry moderation :cry

[mavs>spurs]

did obama not get 3 more minutes? did the moderator not interrupt romney the whole time? i'd like to see you spin that one.

[Dex]

I'd call that one a draw -- I doubt either candidate moved any undecided voters. Mitt doesn't have the baggage of the last four years

But he has the baggage of being Mitt fucking Romney.

What part of denying health care to people, screwing women's rights, making false promises, giving handouts to the wealthy, and constantly shifting positions do you think Americans want a part of?

But once again, reps will go rep, dems will go dem, and it will just come down to who shows up in bigger force.

[DMC]

Romney was obviously going on and on the the same lines he's used. He never answered a question (Obama didn't do very well on that either) and instead always led off with "let me talk first about..." and never answered the questions. He instead wanted to get his talking points in and couldn't fucking care less about the questions.

The assault weapons question was stupid. People don't even know what an assault weapon is and want to ask about banning it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Did anyone listening to the debate hear anything about DARPA drones, ACTA, NDAA, SOPA, HR 347, much substance on phony sanctions or phony foreign aid, education debt, the Federal Reserve, QE3, eminent domain and property rights, UN troop presence, mic slips, teleprompters at conventions, failed and crony TARP and GM bailouts, CFR, TLC and NATO membership, TSA, HUD, DHS, NSA and FDA expansion, FEMA and CIA black secret black ops budgets, 9/11 questions, Monsanto, Mars Candy, Dupont, Johnson & Johnson, Goldman Sachs and other corporations crony fascist government takeovers and operations...? Didn't hear anything about the DHS and IRS buying up vast amounts of ammo and weapons with our money. How about you?

lol Fake wins
lol Illusion of debate and choice
lol red/blue

:lol CIA black secret black ops budgets, 9/11 questions

[Shastafarian]

I'm disappointed the tough questions weren't asked. Obama and Romney skirted important issues on science like what will happen to dickskin research if they are elected. Also, with healthcare being a huge topic I really wanted to hear whether coverage for "vaccines" like "morphine" will continue or if I will have to pay for such emergency vaccines. Disappointed.

[baseline bum]

I know Romney is lying out his ass whenever he opens his mouth, but he looks better doing it, and that's all that matters in this country. November 6th looks like Teabagger Christmas.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

did obama not get 3 more minutes? did the moderator not interrupt romney the whole time? i'd like to see you spin that one.

:lol this is the same shit we heard after Ryan looked bad

I really don't know and will wait to see what Pew says tomorrow or the next day but this shit is hilarious.

[DMC]

How about "what do you believe, as a Mormon, that doesn't make any fucking sense and you are too embarrassed to talk about? Can you address polygamy?"

[jack sommerset]

I'd call that one a draw -- I doubt either candidate moved any undecided voters. Mitt doesn't have the baggage of the last four years

As a true independent, I would say Romney moved the undecided voters a bit closer to him, especially women. God bless

[mavs>spurs]

:lol this is the same shit we heard after Ryan looked bad

I really don't know and will wait to see what Pew says tomorrow or the next day but this shit is hilarious.

ryan tied biden in that snoozefest

[angrydude]

Biden hurt the democrats with women with his debating style, so just based on that I'd say Romney won

[ElNono]

I know Romney is lying out his ass whenever he opens his mouth, but he looks better doing it, and that's all that matters in this country. November 6th looks like Teabagger Christmas.

I'll take the Obamacare repeal, tbh

[Reck]

did obama not get 3 more minutes? did the moderator not interrupt romney the whole time? i'd like to see you spin that one.

That may be because Mitt himself interrupted Obama half the time he was talking. Also, Romney saw it fit to play moderator himself.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm disappointed the tough questions weren't asked. Obama and Romney skirted important issues on science like what will happen to dickskin research if they are elected. Also, with healthcare being a huge topic I really wanted to hear whether coverage for "vaccines" like "morphine" will continue or if I will have to pay for such emergency vaccines. Disappointed.

The science thread I started's link has a long sciam article where the candidates were asked and answered many of these questions. If you want to know where they actually stand it's a great resources.

[DMC]

Romney hit too many speedbumps in his improvisations. That's why debate coaches say stick to the material.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Biden hurt the democrats with women with his debating style, so just based on that I'd say Romney won

:lol you watch Fox News. that is straight up the shit they were saying that is unsubstantiated.

[Shastafarian]

The science thread I started's link has a long sciam article where the candidates were asked and answered many of these questions. If you want to know where they actually stand it's a great resources.

I actually went to that link but started reading the prepared responses and became disinterested. Besides I already have a good feeling for where each of them stand.

MORE DICKSKIN RESEARCH!!!!

[Shastafarian]

double dip

[ElNono]

Apparently, you can tell who won by seeing how agitated Chris Mathews is. Anybody watching MSNBC?

[angrydude]

I was basing it on the fact the Romney has done nothing but surge since the vice-presidential debate in every poll

[CitizenDwayne]

Really, since the first presidential debate.

[ElNono]

I was basing it on the fact the Romney has done nothing but surge since the vice-presidential debate in every poll

Not in every poll...

[mavs>spurs]

ohio is still going to be key..obama phone is the kryptonite thus far. the masses aren't getting off the gravy train without a fight tbh.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was basing it on the fact the Romney has done nothing but surge since the vice-presidential debate in every poll

He had a spike after the first debate and not after the VP. You still parroted the Fox News narrative.

[angrydude]

Not in every poll...

Ok mr. literal. you got the idea though

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ok mr. literal. you got the idea though

I get the idea that I want what actually happens not some bullshit Fox News watchers version.

[angrydude]

He had a spike after the first debate and not after the VP. You still parroted the Fox News narrative.

it kept growing. If the debate was "won", like Romney won the first debate, you'd expect those fortunes to reverse.

Tonight it doesn't matter if Obama "won" the debate if he doesn't come back in the polls

[ploto]

Did any of you actually watch this debate? Your posts seem to indicate otherwise.

[CitizenDwayne]

By the way, congrats Mitt Romney on winning the presidency.

There just isn't much Obama can do to fight off the "last 4 years" argument, and people don't seem to care that Romney will not explain in detail how his economic plan will work.

[ElNono]

Ok mr. literal. you got the idea though

The VP debate actually stopped the bleeding (http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/)... it's a close race now regardless

[baseline bum]

I'll take the Obamacare repeal, tbh

I'd take it too, but Ryancare with everyone paying for the boomers' benefits and then getting shafted when they hit 65 is worse tbh.

[DMC]

ohio is still going to be key..obama phone is the kryptonite thus far. the masses aren't getting off the gravy train without a fight tbh.
That's why I will be in Akron next week, to drum up support for my candidate, oh and teach a class.

[angrydude]

at least according to Gallup.

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/-28n4ev7dema9tu_x7xbiq.gif

[Nbadan]

Ohio is key

[ElNono]

I'd take it too, but Ryancare with everyone paying for the boomers' benefits and then getting shafted when they hit 65 is worse tbh.

I agree. The vouchers bullshit is indeed a death panel. But hey, destroying medicare will probably earn them political damnation in the long run.

[ploto]

Romney was stuttering and for some reason kept asking Obama questions


Which was actually against the rules of the debate.

[ElNono]

at least according to Gallup.

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/-28n4ev7dema9tu_x7xbiq.gif

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

[angrydude]

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

I'm sorry. I forgot appealing to the great republican polling firm gallup was cherry-picking

[FkLA]

Chalk up another W for Obama tbh.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm sorry. I forgot appealing to the great republican polling firm gallup was cherry-picking

You don't know what cherry picking means do you?

[ElNono]

I'm sorry. I forgot appealing to the great republican polling firm gallup was cherry-picking

I didn't call your poll cherry picking... non-sequiturs are non-sequiturs

[Nbadan]

One poll over an aggregate of polls is the point, especially one that measures swing states into the equation

[mavs>spurs]

Chalk up another W for Obama tbh.

and now this chat just got a lot dumber..

[O.J. Simpson]

:lol angryrepublican

[ElNono]

and now this chat just got a lot dumber..

tbh, you should use his tactic and declare yourself the winner of this argument right now...

[mavs>spurs]

i win :lol

[ElNono]

i win :lol

:lol

[Trill Clinton]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma6nth2jTt1rr4rcmo1_500.gif

[DarrinS]

Any moderator ever half-assed fact checked a candidate in real time?

Just curious

[O.J. Simpson]

It was a conspiracy!

[ElNono]

Any moderator ever half-assed fact checked a candidate in real time?

Just curious

hard to fact check "I'm gonna create a gazillion jobs!"

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think it would be cool if they had a ticker that was on a screen behind the candidates they cannot see that was showing fact checking information.

[FkLA]

and now this chat just got a lot dumber..

After Romney disclosed that his father was born in Mexico, he had my vote. But the way Obama closed was just too much, that nigga is clutch tbh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Any moderator ever half-assed fact checked a candidate in real time?

Just curious
:lol starting with the excuses

[Nbadan]

I personally don't like the new decorum set by these debates.....so I'll attack talk radio

[mavs>spurs]

After Romney disclosed that his father was born in Mexico, he had my vote. But the way Obama closed was just too much, that nigga is clutch tbh.

as if that matters. ok now that that's out of the way, can we all talk debate now? anything relevant?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

After Romney disclosed that his father was born in Mexico, he had my vote. But the way Obama closed was just too much, that nigga is clutch tbh.

:lol what a great reason to vote for somebody
:lol and people wonder why Mexico's government is so fucked up

[mavs>spurs]

this vote brought to you in part by utsa engineering

[Koolaid_Man]

MY NIGGA TAXED THAT ASS TONIGHT....WAY TO GO TEAM OBAMA

Romney literally walks around like he has a stick stuck up his ass..Well Obama pushed that muthfacking stick further in.... way way way up in his ass...

Mitt can't fuck with Obama 1 on 1...not when Obama tries..Obama makes this shit look easy....

[Koolaid_Man]

:lol what a great reason to vote for somebody
:lol and people wonder why Mexico's government is so fucked up

Obama is like Kobe and MJ in the clutch..Nigga is flat out money..1 more to go

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

MY NIGGA TAXED THAT ASS TONIGHT....WAY TO GO TEAM OBAMA

Romney literally walks around like he has a stick stuck up his ass..Well Obama pushed that muthfacking stick further in.... way way way up in his ass...

Mitt can't fuck with Obama 1 on 1...not when Obama tries..Obama makes this shit look easy....
Maybe Obama won tonight but if he actually showed up to the first debate this election would be over. There's no way he's gonna make that ground back up. He'll probably still win but he's not gonna sniff the lead he had before the first debate.

I still have no idea why Obama fucked up so much in the first debate. All he had to do in that debate was what he did tonight.

[LnGrrrR]

who's reading these cards? Koolaid_Man?

That made me actually lol

[mavs>spurs]

MY NIGGA TAXED THAT ASS TONIGHT....WAY TO GO TEAM OBAMA

Romney literally walks around like he has a stick stuck up his ass..Well Obama pushed that muthfacking stick further in.... way way way up in his ass...

Mitt can't fuck with Obama 1 on 1...not when Obama tries..Obama makes this shit look easy....

this message brought to you by bathin' apes. fruity ass nigga

[HI-FI]

Obama is like Kobe and MJ in the clutch..Nigga is flat out money..1 more to go

he ain't like MJ, but he is like Kobe, throwing up whatever shit/shot he can and relying on the refs/moderators

[FkLA]

Who do you two butt buddies give the W to ?

[LnGrrrR]

I have seen enough. Mitt won. Obama put up a better fight this time around but mitt won. I say 60 to 40. Obama has one big problem, he can't run or hide from his record. God bless

Seriously Jack, would Romney have to say something like "I fucking hate America and will sell the nuclear suitcase to Al Qaeda for 20 dollars!" for him to lose?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I didn't think it was that big of a win for Obama, but the talk shows are focusing on Romney's fuck up more than anything else.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I didn't think it was that big of a win for Obama, but the talk shows are focusing on Romney's fuck up more than anything else.

What was the fuckup?

[hitmanyr2k]

They were both full of shit tonight but Obama brought the energy and the "you're on my drone list" death stare he gave to Romney where he feined being offended when discussing the Libya situation brought it home. I laughed my ass off when Obama gave Romney that look. Romney had the eye of the tiger first when going in for the kill and Obama looked him back and said "Go for it" :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

What was the fuckup?

The Libya terrorism thing when Crowley fact checked that ass :lol

Fox News was having a discussion over whether or not "Act of Terror" and "Terrorist Attack" meant different things :lmao:lmao

[FkLA]

Seriously Jack, would Romney have to say something like "I fucking hate America and will sell the nuclear suitcase to Al Qaeda for 20 dollars!" for him to lose?

Changed it to Fox News and they cited some poll that gave it 65-35 to Romney. They also asked a live audience and about the same amount gave the W to Romney...republicans are ridiculous tbh. :lol

[Agloco]

I'm disappointed the tough questions weren't asked. Obama and Romney skirted important issues on science like what will happen to dickskin research if they are elected. Also, with healthcare being a huge topic I really wanted to hear whether coverage for "vaccines" like "morphine" will continue or if I will have to pay for such emergency vaccines. Disappointed.

:lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

They were both full of shit tonight but Obama brought the energy and the "you're on my drone list" death stare he gave to Romney where he feined being offended when discussing the Libya situation brought it home. I laughed my ass off when Obama gave Romney that look. Romney had the eye of the tiger first when going in for the kill and Obama looked him back and said "Go for it" :lol


^ grow a spine..take a position I hate fence strattlers...always got something to say but too chickenshit to make a stand...

[Koolaid_Man]

Changed it to Fox News and they cited some poll that gave it 65-35 to Romney. They also asked a live audience and about the same amount gave the W to Romney...republicans are ridiculous tbh. :lol

nope...They're actually mentally sick racist bastards

[DarrinS]

I'll give Obama extra credit for getting Andrew Sullivan off suicide watch

[mavs>spurs]

nope...They're actually mentally sick racist bastards

if anything could make a person racist it's you.

[mavs>spurs]

jk kool then who would suck my dick? i love u baby

[Koolaid_Man]

What was the fuckup?

He didn't realize Obama used the word Terror to describe the Bengazi attack the day after...all this quivaling by Repubs is a bunch of Tea party horseshit...because it was a youtube video that exacerbated a Terror attack..simple enough

[Nbadan]

Fact checking "Bush didn't try to turn Medicare into a voucher"

Yes he did...

[LnGrrrR]

I'll give Obama extra credit for getting Andrew Sullivan off suicide watch:lol I was starting to get a little worried about him

[Koolaid_Man]

jk kool then who would suck my dick? i love u baby


:rolleyes

[Nbadan]

Pretty much says it all

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/257198/slide_257198_1650136_free.jpg

[Koolaid_Man]

Fact checking "Bush didn't try to turn Medicare into a voucher"

Yes he did...

that's not a fact check..show me a legit quote from GW and then we can call it fact check....We can't trust your word as a source

[FkLA]

Pretty much says it all

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/257198/slide_257198_1650136_free.jpg

^Obama is as cool as the other side of the pillow. Nigga just doesnt get fazed under pressure, he has that clutch gene. :tu

[ploto]

#bindersfullofwomen

:lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

if anything could make a person racist it's you.

:lol you have to be fucking kidding me, cracker

[Mikesatx]

How do you call Libya a terrorist attack on the 12th and then for the next two weeks cite a youtube video as the cause? How do you send Susan Rice out after the 12th with a message citing the youtube video on all of the talk shows as the cause for the attacks? If the clear and strong message from the POTUS is a terrorist attack on the 12th how in the world can Susan Rice cite a youtube video? If the debacle in Libya isn't playing politics what is it? Why was their any mention of a random youtube video if Obama was convinced it was a terrorist attack on the 12th? Most Americans can accept tragedy, the response from our governement was a fail no matter how you look at it. Either we have a cover up or a lack of response when additional security was requested and justified by two other attacks on the same Consulate within the last 6 months.

[LnGrrrR]

^tldr

[Mikesatx]

^ problem with our country.

[LnGrrrR]

^ problem with our country.

The problem with our country is people who don't know what paragraphs are? I agree. :tu

[ElNono]

How do you call Libya a terrorist attack on the 12th and then for the next two weeks cite a youtube video as the cause? How do you send Susan Rice out after the 12th with a message citing the youtube video on all of the talk shows as the cause for the attacks? If the clear and strong message from the POTUS is a terrorist attack on the 12th how in the world can Susan Rice cite a youtube video? If the debacle in Libya isn't playing politics what is it? Why was their any mention of a random youtube video if Obama was convinced it was a terrorist attack on the 12th? Most Americans can accept tragedy, the response from our governement was a fail no matter how you look at it. Either we have a cover up or a lack of response when additional security was requested and justified by two other attacks on the same Consulate within the last 6 months.

While I agree this was a fuckup on the administration, I'm going to sustain what I said before: the details don't change a thing. I'm not even going to pin Romney for spinning it politically. This is election season right now, everything is spin spin spin.
The only thing I would personally like is to make sure measures are taken so it doesn't happen again.

[Mikesatx]

I might be wrong but I think your military. In your posts regardless of the content I respected that from you. I actually give you more credibility on this site because you have served. A little disappointed you can't read 6 lines and contribute an opinion or answer.

[Mikesatx]

Nono~~ If this was a surprise terrorist attack with no warning and the president comes out and either says it was a terrorist attack or he isn't quite sure what it was it isn't a political issue. What we know now is that there were requests for additional security and attacks on the same consulate that weren't heeded. We also know and it was confirmed tonight that the POTUS mentioned terror but then continuously referenced this video after. It leads down one of two roads--- A cover up probably because it is election time or a complete communication fuck up between intelligence and our POTUS.

[ElNono]

Nono~~ If this was a surprise terrorist attack with no warning and the president comes out and either says it was a terrorist attack or he isn't quite sure what it was it isn't a political issue. What we know now is that there were requests for additional security and attacks on the same consulate that weren't heeded. We also know and it was confirmed tonight that the POTUS mentioned terror but then continuously referenced this video after. It leads down one of two roads--- A cover up probably because it is election time or a complete communication fuck up between intelligence and our POTUS.

I don't get the "coverup" angle. Coverup to me means they tried to hide the act. That wasn't even remotely the case. Everybody knew straight up the attack happened and people died. What triggered the attack is completely inconsequential, IMO, and I would go further and say it's smoke and mirrors. The attack itself is clearly a fuckup, and they should assume the responsibility and work towards it not happening again. Let's be real here, when we're bombing civilians in other fuckups (which happen, they're just not americans dying) we sweep it under 'collateral' and nobody blinks an eye.

[angrydude]

I've never understood what the point of making pretend was in the first place. Were they so afraid that someone would call them out for supporting Al Qaeda in Libya that they tried to make up some stupid story to hide it? They had to have known the media would never do that. This has been in the news FAR longer than it otherwise would have been

[Mikesatx]

Administration can't hide the act, Americans died. The cover up is in the cause of the act. Painting the picture of some douche putting up a highly inflammatory video is a far less indictment then we received requests for additional security and no one listened. What started as a fuck up has evolved into a cover up (I don't know what else you call it). If the POTUS was clear this was a terrorist attack on the 12th (that's what we heard tonight) then why is the video mentioned after the 12th?

[ElNono]

I've never understood what the point of making pretend was in the first place. Were they so afraid that someone would call them out for supporting Al Qaeda in Libya that they tried to make up some stupid story to hide it? They had to have known the media would never do that. This has been in the news FAR longer than it otherwise would have been


Administration can't hide the act, Americans died. The cover up is in the cause of the act. Painting the picture of some douche putting up a highly inflammatory video is a far less indictment then we received requests for additional security and no one listened. What started as a fuck up has evolved into a cover up (I don't know what else you call it). If the POTUS was clear this was a terrorist attack on the 12th (that's what we heard tonight) then why is the video mentioned after the 12th?

I agree completely that it was a fuckup of this administration, they should own up to it, and those responsible should face the consequences. The problem I see is that we're missing the forest for the tree. There's this non-stop banter over if it was a youtube video, or a planned attack, or if the other compound was CIA or not, that IMO, at this point, with people already dead, it's just a talking point machine. Even though I don't believe a word she says, I liked that Hilary came out today and accepted her responsibility. And hopefully with that she'll realize (at least from a political standpoint, which is seemingly all she cares about) that there's no more room for fuckups like that.

All that said, this is election season, and I sincerely hope you don't expect Barry to come out and say "yeah, we really screwed up in Lybia", because it isn't happening. Just like Mitt isn't to come out and say "yeah, I really meant that 47% comment"...
Sorry if I come across as completely disgusted with this shit-sandwich election that's coming up, but I am. The real issue here is that the system is broken, and we're getting the president we deserve because we allow the system to be broken.

[HI-FI]

Administration can't hide the act, Americans died. The cover up is in the cause of the act. Painting the picture of some douche putting up a highly inflammatory video is a far less indictment then we received requests for additional security and no one listened. What started as a fuck up has evolved into a cover up (I don't know what else you call it). If the POTUS was clear this was a terrorist attack on the 12th (that's what we heard tonight) then why is the video mentioned after the 12th?
i understand your anger, i feel the same way, especially in regards to the Fast and Furious cover ups. F&F feels more like a true coverup, whereas this Libya attack feels like a fuck up that has been spun quickly to avoid the shitstorm it should've caused. Covering something up or spinning it, it's still messed up. I feel more disgusted at the media, especially that fat bitch throwing in a flag for Obama when Romney was starting to push him on it.

curious EL Nono, how do you think the media would've handled the Libya attack or F&F if they happened on Bush's watch, right before the election?

[ElNono]

curious EL Nono, how do you think the media would've handled the Libya attack or F&F if they happened on Bush's watch, right before the election?

Well, don't know, tbh. While the media was tough on Bush on certain items, I also thought they were pretty light on Bush's illegal NSA wiretap program and the TARP in general. Personally, I try to avoid american media (especially TV), so I might not be the best point of reference on that.

[Mikesatx]

They should own up to it but the President hasn't. Clinton accepted fault today saying the buck stops with her. Obama clarified saying the buck stops with him at the debate tonight. I still haven't heard a statement from Obama saying we screwed up. I've heard him defending his actions when he called it a terrorist attack but that is proven to be bullshit when you look at all the statements after. The forest over the trees is what this incident clarifies. None of the problems facing our economy or country are the result of the actions of this president. It was Bush's fault, a youtube video, republican obstructionism~~~ listening to this man tonight, you would think the country is stronger than ever. The simple question each voter needs to ask is do things for me feel as good as the president describes?


I have no expectations on the second part of your post and I agree that it is justified to feel like what difference will it make. I also feel very strongly that people need to open their eyes and ask questions. Do their own research and draw their own conclusions and not feel like they have to fight so damn hard for a politician that could give a shit about them.

[ElNono]

They should own up to it but the President hasn't. Clinton accepted fault today saying the buck stops with her. Obama clarified saying the buck stops with him at the debate tonight. I still haven't heard a statement from Obama saying we screwed up. I've heard him defending his actions when he called it a terrorist attack but that is proven to be bullshit when you look at all the statements after. The forest over the trees is what this incident clarifies. None of the problems facing our economy or country are the result of the actions of this president. It was Bush's fault, a youtube video, republican obtructionism~~~ listening to this man tonight, you would think the country is stronger than ever. The simple question each voter needs to ask is do things for me feel as good as the president describes?

Barry is full of shit. No disagreement there.

[HI-FI]

Well, don't know, tbh. While the media was tough on Bush on certain items, I also thought they were pretty light on Bush's illegal NSA wiretap program and the TARP in general. Personally, I try to avoid american media (especially TV), so I might not be the best point of reference on that.I agree about those points, there were certain things they should've come down much harder on Bush for. I think part of the support for TARP from the media is these assholes are owned by powerful corporations and banks that needed that money, so good luck on getting a comprehensive analysis. But i still remember how 60 Minutes, one of the most venerable of news programs, falsified documents to make Bush look worse than he already was, so I personally feel they would have brought up Libya and F&F much more if under Bush, but there's no way of proving that, just my gut instinct.


They should own up to it but the President hasn't. Clinton accepted fault today saying the buck stops with her. Obama clarified saying the buck stops with him at the debate tonight. I still haven't heard a statement from Obama saying we screwed up. I've heard him defending his actions when he called it a terrorist attack but that is proven to be bullshit when you look at all the statements after. The forest over the trees is what this incident clarifies. None of the problems facing our economy or country are the result of the actions of this president. It was Bush's fault, a youtube video, republican obstructionism~~~ listening to this man tonight, you would think the country is stronger than ever. The simple question each voter needs to ask is do things for me feel as good as the president describes?


I have no expectations on the second part of your post and I agree that it is justified to feel like what difference will it make. I also feel very strongly that people need to open their eyes and ask questions. Do their own research and draw their own conclusions and not feel like they have to fight so damn hard for a politician that could give a shit about them.
I think what you're getting angry about is the same thing i bitch about, is that the media simply sucks ass. I don't even blame Obama or Romney for being lying snakes, that's politicians for you. The media, however, do such a piss poor job of informing people, it's no wonder we're doomed.

[ElNono]

I just have a hard time blaming the media for the system that placed these two candidates, and basically only these two candidates, in the ballot... just IMO.

[Mikesatx]

All of us can choose what we read, listen to and research. The problem as I see it is the focus to find the read that makes our guy look the most favorable versus a search for the truth. I don't agree that we are doomed.

[ElNono]

I should add, Bush did win reelection, and the GOP did win and do extremely well in 2010. Was the media informing better those times? I think it's a bit disingenuous to just pin it on that. From a realistic point of view, I think the media will cater more towards what people express interest in, which is overwhelmingly the economy. That's why you'll probably hear 10 stories on "what's the gas price today" for each "what really happened in Lybia?". Which I also think is what happened with the wiretap stuff back in the day.

[HI-FI]

fair point. i just think the media gets too caught up in creating narratives and playing the blue team/red team thing instead of simply informing or investigating to the best of their abilities. I feel like that is their basic job and they suck at it. DC is too much of a shithole and the media unfortunately becomes part of the cesspool and status quo. fortunately we have lots of other means of media and news in this country

[jack sommerset]

Seriously Jack, would Romney have to say something like "I fucking hate America and will sell the nuclear suitcase to Al Qaeda for 20 dollars!" for him to lose?

No. Brother, at this point all Romney has to do to win a debate is hold Obama to his 4 years. You can't run from it. Obama lied at every turn. His real first bill he signed was gitmo not that women's bill. The no earmarks in the stimulus bill promise. Well, there were THOUSANDS of them. Healthcare debate on CSPAN, it was done behind closed doors. I can go on and on and on and on and on and on and on. Its ridiculious how much silliness obama has spewed over the years. Romney held the president accountable. As you know economy is pretty much the most important things going around and Obama has failed miserably. Obama said the deficit would be cut in half, it has doubled. Brothers, that is huge. It has doubled. This crazy irresponsible spending Obama has so eloquently pointed out 4 years ago DOUBLED!!!! Obama wants to blame other people for his words. He had control of the senate and house. He hasn't had a budget. Brother, it's time for a change and Romney is it. The dems had an oppurtunity to replace their candidate and they chose not to. Obama biggest enemy is Obama. The blue bloods want to bury their head in the sand and pretend the last 4 years didn't happen. God bless

[ChumpDumper]

No. Brother, at this point all Romney has to do to win a debate is hold Obama to his 4 years. You can't run from it. Obama lied at every turn. His real first bill he signed was gitmo not that women's bill. The no earmarks in the stimulus bill promise. Well, there were THOUSANDS of them. Healthcare debate on CSPAN, it was done behind closed doors. I can go on and on and on and on and on and on and on. Its ridiculious how much silliness obama has spewed over the years. Romney held the president accountable. As you know economy is pretty much the most important things going around and Obama has failed miserably. Obama said the deficit would be cut in half, it has doubled. Brothers, that is huge. It has doubled. This crazy irresponsible spending Obama has so eloquently pointed out 4 years ago DOUBLED!!!! Obama wants to blame other people for his words. He had control of the senate and house. He hasn't had a budget. Brother, it's time for a change and Romney is it. The dems had an oppurtunity to replace their candidate and they chose not to. Obama biggest enemy is Obama. The blue bloods want to bury their head in the sand and pretend the last 4 years didn't happen. God blessU mad. Take a break.

Ron bless.

[jack sommerset]

U mad. Take a break.

Ron bless.

Brother, that's you, mad. I'm happy. Enjoy the day. God bless

[ChumpDumper]

Brother, that's you, mad. I'm happy. Enjoy the day. God blessYou're in denial. You're seething with anger. You are a danger to yourself and others, all because your boy seemed to lose a debate. You need to pray to regain control of your rampant emotions.

Ron bless.

[ElNono]

fair point. i just think the media gets too caught up in creating narratives and playing the blue team/red team thing instead of simply informing or investigating to the best of their abilities. I feel like that is their basic job and they suck at it. DC is too much of a shithole and the media unfortunately becomes part of the cesspool and status quo. fortunately we have lots of other means of media and news in this country

Their fiduciary duty is to their shareholders, not the public at large. While there's an obvious connection between credibility and viewership, when it comes to picking stories, don't be surprised if they pick what pays the bills.

[LnGrrrR]

I might be wrong but I think your military. In your posts regardless of the content I respected that from you. I actually give you more credibility on this site because you have served. A little disappointed you can't read 6 lines and contribute an opinion or answer.

I'll apologize for the snarkiness; you're not really a poster who deserves it. I just think there's so many more important things to focus on in this election than the Benghazi attack.

[LnGrrrR]

Administration can't hide the act, Americans died. The cover up is in the cause of the act. Painting the picture of some douche putting up a highly inflammatory video is a far less indictment then we received requests for additional security and no one listened. What started as a fuck up has evolved into a cover up (I don't know what else you call it). If the POTUS was clear this was a terrorist attack on the 12th (that's what we heard tonight) then why is the video mentioned after the 12th?

While the attack might not have been caused by the video, weren't the other riots in other countries caused by the video? I would say that while it might not have been a causal factor, it certainly didn't seem to help.

[DMX7]

Romney got bitch slapped.