Queen "You People" Ann: Serving Mormon, Inc EQUALS Serving in US Military [Archive]

boutons_deux

10-18-2012, 03:40 PM

Ann Romney: Mormon missions and U.S. military are ‘different ways of serving’

The wife of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney on Thursday said that her husband and sons had not joined the U.S. military but had found “different ways of serving” by going on religious missions (http://facts.randomhistory.com/mitt-romney-facts.html) in France, England, Australia and Chile as part of their obligation to the Mormon church.

During an interview on ABC’s The View, co-host Whoopi Goldberg asked Ann Romney how she would explain to the families of fallen soldiers why her husband and sons had not served their country.
“When I read about your husband, what I had read — and maybe you can correct this — is that the reason he didn’t serve in Vietnam was because it was against the religion,” Goldberg said.

“That’s not correct,” Ann Romney insisted.

“He was serving his mission, and my five
sons have also served missions. None served in the military, but I do have one son that feels that he’s giving back to his country in a significant way where he is now a doctor and he is taking care of veterans.”

“So, you know, we find different ways of serving,” she added. “And my husband and my five boys did serve missions, did not serve in the military.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/18/ann-romney-mormon-missions-and-u-s-military-are-different-ways-of-serving/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29&utm_content=Google+Reader

And Gecko said a few years ago that his boys, super patriots all, didn't sign up for Iraq or Afghanistan because serving Gecko's Pres campaign was serving, helping the country. :lol

clambake

10-18-2012, 04:08 PM

i wouldn't let my kid fight for this fucking country.

CommanderMcBragg

10-18-2012, 04:11 PM

i wouldn't let my kid fight for this fucking country.

That is because your kid is a wuss....like you.

clambake

10-18-2012, 04:15 PM

yeah, thats the reason.

dbestpro

10-18-2012, 04:21 PM

The correct reply is that she has as many children serving in the military as Obama has family members serving in the military.

Wild Cobra

10-18-2012, 04:22 PM

i wouldn't let my kid fight for this fucking country.

That is because your kid is a wuss....like you.

yeah, thats the reason.

It's good to know we all agree on this topic.

Wild Cobra

10-18-2012, 04:25 PM

A question of curiosity for everyone.

How many of your uncles have served in the military? All 8 of mine have! A few drafted, the rest voluntarily.

boutons_deux

10-18-2012, 04:25 PM

The correct reply is that she has as many children serving in the military as Obama has family members serving in the military.

Barry's girls are too young to serve. They still have a chance later to get killed, maimed, mind destroyed for the oilcos and American imperialism. And his girls have enough money and security not to join the military like a lot of poor blacks and browns do for a job.

LnGrrrR

10-18-2012, 04:25 PM

While I think it's true that people can serve their country in different ways, saying that they've "served missions" is a step too far. Unless you want to consider that Obama "served missions" by being a community organizer, or that the local Dunkin Donuts guy "served missions" by giving me the correct order.

LnGrrrR

10-18-2012, 04:26 PM

A question of curiosity for everyone.

How many of your uncles have served in the military? All 8 of mine have! A few drafted, the rest voluntarily.

Why are you limiting it to uncles? That's rather specific. My mother, aunt, an uncle, my father, my stepfather, and my stepgrandfather all served. (Mom, aunt, uncle in the Army, father, stepfather Air Force, stepgrandfather Coast Guard)

clambake

10-18-2012, 04:27 PM

It's good to know we all agree on this topic.

its also good to know she escaped the mental abuse.

LnGrrrR

10-18-2012, 04:28 PM

Barry's girls are too young to serve. They still have a chance later to get killed, maimed, mind destroyed for the oilcos and American imperialism. And his girls have enough money and security not to join the military like a lot of poor blacks and browns do for a job.

There's a lot of poor whites in the military too. :lol

Wild Cobra

10-18-2012, 04:28 PM

Why are you limiting it to uncles? That's rather specific. Both my mother, aunt, an uncle, my father, my stepfather, and my stepgrandfather all served.
Well, being over a half century old, it wasn't common at all for the women of my aunts ages to serve.

clambake

10-18-2012, 04:28 PM

Why are you limiting it to uncles? That's rather specific. My mother, aunt, an uncle, my father, my stepfather, and my stepgrandfather all served. (Mom, aunt, uncle in the Army, father, stepfather Air Force, stepgrandfather Coast Guard):tu

dbestpro

10-18-2012, 04:31 PM

Better yet. How many posters have served? I was in the army for 8 years.

Wild Cobra

10-18-2012, 04:32 PM

Better yet. How many posters have served? I was in the army for 8 years.
11 years in the Army.

ElNono

10-18-2012, 04:40 PM

Better yet. How many posters have served? I was in the army for 8 years.

I'm the first american (and pretty recent too) in my side of the family, and too old to serve, but my grandfather (Italian) fought the Germans (with the French army) both in WWI and WWII. Both of his brothers did too (one dead, I was named after him. The other captured but eventually released, currently living in Paris, France). I don't know the service status on my wife's side.

LnGrrrR

10-18-2012, 04:40 PM

13 Air Force... 7 more to go...

ChumpDumper

10-18-2012, 04:41 PM

trolling for converts to a kookier than normal religion <> serving in the military

LnGrrrR

10-18-2012, 04:44 PM

I'm the first american (and pretty recent too) in my side of the family, and too old to serve, but my grandfather (Italian) fought the Germans (with the French army) both in WWI and WWII. Both of his brothers did too (one dead, I was named after him. The other captured but eventually released, currently living in Paris, France). I don't know the service status on my wife's side.

You finally get your citizenship?

GoodOdor

10-18-2012, 04:56 PM

My great-grandfather fought in WWII, the last legitimate war imo.

boutons_deux

10-18-2012, 04:59 PM

trolling for converts to a kookier than normal religion <> serving in the military

and it's not in any sense "serving your country" in any capacity

ElNono

10-18-2012, 05:07 PM

You finally get your citizenship?

You even congratulated me... :rolleyes

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188235

JoeChalupa

10-18-2012, 05:15 PM

There are plenty who serve in the military who are not "poor" or have nothing else to do but WANT to serve. I hate it when someone says "What a waste.." when someone decides to join the military.

Koolaid_Man

10-18-2012, 05:19 PM

11 years in the Army.

I don't respect everyone that serves...and neither do most republicans..let's be real about this shit...You don't like Obama because he's black, you don't want homo's serving the military and yet you want me to honor your service...yeah right fuck off..you and those like you...

I will respect who i want to respect and yours and most republicans I could give 2 shits about their service...when you lying, racist ass mofo's start acting like respectable human beings and stop trying to play the upright / Christian card then maybe I'll reconsider...

In fact ALL republicans in congress decided obstruction / treason was a good policy for running the country the last 4 yrs and while they will NEVER admit to this shit in public any one with half a brain knows it's because the President *aka* Mr Count Choco-latte looks like the sky at night...

I just can't stand people like you that come on here and try to fake it for the sake of trying to look normal in most people's eyes..the intelligent amongst us know how you roll behind closed doors...and I'm sure Jesus would be proud....:toast

DarrinS

10-18-2012, 05:22 PM

Epic Whoopi Goldberg fail

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Koolaid_Man

10-18-2012, 05:25 PM

and furthermore how can you have 5 boys, love this fucking country so so so much, and yet not a single one of them serve in the Military...and who serves a gotdam mission in cozy ass France...I've been to France at least a dozen times in my life and it's not a place one goes to help the poor and spread the gospel...them boys was likely sipping Champagne and looking at Porn mags... get the fuck outta here...these Romney fucking people are insane to expect me to beleive that shit...it's very insulting..they shielded them is what they did...while Mitt routinely betted against America with his offshore TAX shelters....

Koolaid_Man

10-18-2012, 05:27 PM

and this queer ass looking Tagg talking about he wanted to take a swing at the President after the last debate......man o man...put me in a boxing ring with all 5 of those Romney boys and I'll be dam if I'm not the last man standing...I would completely wreck shop on those soft cake clowns in minutes

TeyshaBlue

10-18-2012, 05:37 PM

and it's not in any sense "serving your country" in any capacity

gfy

TeyshaBlue

10-18-2012, 05:38 PM

lol boutons...all Romney all the time. It's like a fucking confirmation bias cable channel in here.

SnakeBoy

10-18-2012, 05:45 PM

While I think it's true that people can serve their country in different ways, saying that they've "served missions" is a step too far.

"Serving a mission" is what it is called in the Mormon church. WTF else is she supposed to call it?

The polls seem to be getting the Obamabots panicked. All this making hay out of every irrelevant comment by anyone near the Romney campaign looks desperate.

mavs>spurs

10-18-2012, 05:57 PM

boutons lets just meet up i want to kick your ass

LnGrrrR

10-18-2012, 06:54 PM

You even congratulated me... :rolleyes

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188235

:lol Forgive me, two children cause a great loss of brain cells. For some reason I was thinking you were still waiting to fill out the paperwork. :)

LnGrrrR

10-18-2012, 06:55 PM

"Serving a mission" is what it is called in the Mormon church. WTF else is she supposed to call it?

The polls seem to be getting the Obamabots panicked. All this making hay out of every irrelevant comment by anyone near the Romney campaign looks desperate.

Is it? *shrug* I'm not really familiar with the Mormon church. If that's the case, comment partially rescinded. I still think it's a conflation of meanings... the "missions" of a Mormon representatives aren't usually what people think of when they hear the word mission.

TeyshaBlue

10-18-2012, 07:06 PM

Is it? *shrug* I'm not really familiar with the Mormon church. If that's the case, comment partially rescinded. I still think it's a conflation of meanings... the "missions" of a Mormon representatives aren't usually what people think of when they hear the word mission.
See term: Missionary.

Th'Pusher

10-18-2012, 07:08 PM

Romney's = pussies

LnGrrrR

10-18-2012, 07:18 PM

See term: Missionary.

While I understand the term missionary, I don't think I've ever actually heard someone refer to what they do as "missions". I've heard them say things like, "It's my mission to do this for God", but in a way that was interchangeable with other tersm like duty, calling, etc etc. *shrug* As I said in the OP, not a big deal either way. :)

FuzzyLumpkins

10-18-2012, 07:40 PM

As much as I dislike Obama, it's shit like this that makes me loathe Romney and the party he represents.

It's called separation of church and state/ Proselytizing and military service are not comparable in the same way that being a salesman and a cop are not comparable.

And that's no shit: Mormon missionary work is OJT for sales. If you are in frontline sales and you get a Mormon fresh off of their mission applying then you had best hire them in a heartbeat. That is exactly what they have been doing for two years: selling Mormonism door to door.

But to say that door to door religion sales is analogous to military service is offensive on several fronts. First one is serving your country and the other is pushing a fairy tale. Second, a mormon missionary sent to subsaharan africa might have some scary moments every month or so but compare that to some grunt recon in afghanistan or hazardous duty.

It's not so much that they are cowards. I cannot speak to that but it does speak to how completely out of touch with reality they are. Mission work in france for the church is nothing like US military service in afghanistan. It's just not and it's insulting to suggest it is.

ElNono

10-18-2012, 07:41 PM

serving your church = serving your country?

SnakeBoy

10-18-2012, 07:52 PM

While I understand the term missionary, I don't think I've ever actually heard someone refer to what they do as "missions". I've heard them say things like, "It's my mission to do this for God", but in a way that was interchangeable with other tersm like duty, calling, etc etc. *shrug* As I said in the OP, not a big deal either way. :)

The church sets up a mission, the people (missionaries) serve that mission. This isn't exactly new stuff.

LnGrrrR

10-18-2012, 08:28 PM

The church sets up a mission, the people (missionaries) serve that mission. This isn't exactly new stuff.

Yes, and the "mission" of Dunkin Donuts is to serve donuts and coffee to make a profit, but I wouldn't say most people equate Dunkin Donut's "mission" or "mission statement" with the missions carried out by the military. Trying to say the two are equal is disgenuous in my eyes. But then again, I'm an atheist soldier, so that might be my hangup :lol

Th'Pusher

10-18-2012, 08:31 PM

Yes, and the "mission" of Dunkin Donuts is to serve donuts and coffee to make a profit, but I wouldn't say most people equate Dunkin Donut's "mission" or "mission statement" with the missions carried out by the military. Trying to say the two are equal is disgenuous in my eyes. But then again, I'm an atheist soldier, so that might be my hangup :lol

No they're not equal and anyone trying to say they are is a moron.

DMX7

10-18-2012, 08:35 PM

Joe Biden's son has served.

FuzzyLumpkins

10-18-2012, 08:39 PM

Yes, and the "mission" of Dunkin Donuts is to serve donuts and coffee to make a profit, but I wouldn't say most people equate Dunkin Donut's "mission" or "mission statement" with the missions carried out by the military. Trying to say the two are equal is disgenuous in my eyes. But then again, I'm an atheist soldier, so that might be my hangup :lol

It's just semantics mang. When a mormon turns 18 and is sent out for door to food LDS sales they call it their 'mission.'

Wild Cobra

10-18-2012, 08:41 PM

I see this has turned into a bigotryfest.

LnGrrrR

10-18-2012, 08:59 PM

I see this has turned into a bigotryfest.

How is this a bigotryfest? :lol No one has talked down the Mormon church at all. We're just discussing the semantics between military mission and other kinds of missions, and whether it's acceptable (for lack of a better word) to conflate the two.

dbestpro

10-18-2012, 09:07 PM

Finding our way to mutual respect is gonna take a lot of work. Maybe one day the children of the future will learn from the futility of vulgar language, ignorance and intolerance. Funny how the far left has more in common with the far right than with the rest of us.

Wild Cobra

10-18-2012, 10:03 PM

How is this a bigotryfest? :lol No one has talked down the Mormon church at all. We're just discussing the semantics between military mission and other kinds of missions, and whether it's acceptable (for lack of a better word) to conflate the two.
You're right, I spoke too soon... But watch, it will unless this worked to make people prove me wrong.

FuzzyLumpkins

10-18-2012, 10:39 PM

You're right, I spoke too soon... But watch, it will unless this worked to make people prove me wrong.

Translation: I have no clue if something is true but I want it to be so I will believe it to be anyway.

It's the WC way. That sciam article I OPed the other day was talking about people just like you. Thanks for making this country more ignorant!

Wild Cobra

10-18-2012, 10:47 PM

Translation: I have no clue if something is true but I want it to be so I will believe it to be anyway.

It's the WC way. That sciam article I OPed the other day was talking about people just like you. Thanks for making this country more ignorant!
You are the master of incorrect assumption. This is so laughable that you continue.

ploto

10-18-2012, 11:56 PM

All young adult Mormon males are encouraged to do church mission work. They are the guys you see all around town in short-sleeve white dress shirts and blue pants, often on bicycles. To equate that to serving one's country is ridiculous.

According to reports, Romney spent part of his time living in luxury accomodations while he supervised other Mormon young men in France.

For six months of his 30-month stay in France, Mr. Romney lived in a luxurious Paris home – the Mormon Home valued at $12-million in today's dollars. Address 3 Rue de Lota, Paris 75016... So palatial was the home that it was bought from the Mormons by the United Arab Emirates for use as its embassy. It is no longer the embassy, however.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article9748-grand-menteur-romney-lies-about-luxury-as-young-mormon-in-paris.html

Wild Cobra

10-19-2012, 12:01 AM

Latarian Milton

10-19-2012, 01:41 AM

females should never be allowed to enroll in the military cuz they bring bad lucks to the male soldiers imho

Wild Cobra

10-19-2012, 02:28 AM

females should never be allowed to enroll in the military cuz they bring bad lucks to the male soldiers imho
Are you a backwards sexist?

FuzzyLumpkins

10-19-2012, 03:59 AM

You are the master of incorrect assumption. This is so laughable that you continue.

Act like your intentions are mysterious when in fact they are shallow transparent and stupid: the WC way.

You said you spoke to soon but would only be wrong because people conspired to prove you wrong. No, that's not mind reading. That's being able to read even your insipid wishful thinking. People do not need to try to prove you wrong. You do it as a matter of course. Go read about some exospheric combustion induced 3 weeks of flooding or something.