KAL's Cartoon

[Th'Pusher]

http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/full-width/images/2012/10/articles/main/kal_595.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

Pusher...

I'll bet you are too young to remember the Carter/Reagan years.

[Th'Pusher]

I was too young to pay real attention to politics during the Reagan years, but I don't really see what that has to do with the fact that he started us down the path of debt while pimping similar economic policy as Governor Romney.

[Wild Cobra]

I was too young to pay real attention to politics during the Reagan years, but I don't really see what that has to do with the fact that he started us down the path of debt while pimping similar economic policy as Governor Romney.
Well, I will suggest you have no room to badmouth the decision of the times. I joined the army when Reagan was president. The cold war was real. We won the cold war because of his policies.

[Th'Pusher]

I think you are underestimating the role that Gobachev played by departing from his predecessors in ending the cold war. Regardless, KAL's point was not the military increase, but the fact that the increases went unpaid.

[Nbadan]

right there......the GOP didn't seem to mind when they were funding the expansion of medicade, tax cuts for the rich and two or more global wars...

....Obama tries funding a medical plan which cuts as much as it increases and wingnuts have an aneurism...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well, I will suggest you have no room to badmouth the decision of the times. I joined the army when Reagan was president. The cold war was real. We won the cold war because of his policies.

:lol The relationship between Reagan pimping star wars, the B-1 and the waxahachie super collider and conflating it to the fall of the Soviet Union is laughable. The USSR collapsed but you are essentially saying that communism would've worked if not for our intervention? They had been overspending militarily for decades at that point. They were having to import food. They had a larger army and nuclear arsenal than us already. But the infrastructure that Stalin's slave labor force had built in the 40s and 50s had deteriorated and was not ever rebuilt. This is something from history we should have learned from. Our infrastructure has gone to shit.

Oil prices dropped and they collapsed under their own weight. they could no longer fund their satellite despots and they lost power. Acting like Reagan 'caused' that is stupid. One thing his rhetoric did do was help create the animosity that we see today with his 'evil empire' bullshit. Parallels can drawn with that and Romney's alienating rhetoric with China.

You sure as hell did not take any part in the decisions of those times but your little myopic viewpoint is mired in the stupidity that you personify. I trust history books over stupid any day and twice on Fridays.

[Wild Cobra]

I agree with you somewhat. Yes, we outspent the USSR and because of that, it no longer exists as before. I also agree that today, politicians do not realize they are spending us into the way of the USSR's collapse. We had reduced the military and military spending after the USSR collapsed. We increased it again after 9/11. Time to reduce it again. Why isn't Obama doing that?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I agree with you somewhat. Yes, we outspent the USSR and because of that, it no longer exists as before. I also agree that today, politicians do not realize they are spending us into the way of the USSR's collapse. We had reduced the military and military spending after the USSR collapsed. We increased it again after 9/11. Time to reduce it again. Why isn't Obama doing that?

Your reading comprehension sucks.

[Nbadan]

Not only that, obama is decreasing military spending, the GOP is pissed because they can't attack him for that shit because Obama used a jedi-mind-trick to get them to agree to cuts...

[Wild Cobra]

Not only that, obama is decreasing military spending, the GOP is pissed because they can't attack him for that shit because Obama used a jedi-mind-trick to get them to agree to cuts...
He's decreasing the spending by killing indiscriminately with drones, rather than with soldiers on the ground. Sioldiers can determine enemy from noncombatant. Notice he isn't decreasing spending by much though. Why doesn't he just end our involvement?

[Nbadan]

He's decreasing the spending by killing indiscriminately with drones, rather than with soldiers on the ground. Sioldiers can determine enemy from noncombatant. Notice he isn't decreasing spending by much though. Why doesn't he just end our involvement?

Soldiers, and contractors also get bored, warped and some make mistakes and kill civilians too...

[DMC]

I was too young to pay real attention to politics during the Reagan years, but I don't really see what that has to do with the fact that he started us down the path of debt while pimping similar economic policy as Governor Romney.

Yet Obama praises him as one of the greatest Presidents of all time.

[Nbadan]

Yet Obama praises him as one of the greatest Presidents of all time.

Well, Reagan did the right thing....he let Paul Volkner run the economy....(although, all things being equal, Volker probably got Carter fired)

[Latarian Milton]

the USSR just broke apart by itself as the natural rule intended imho. although gorbache played an important role in ending the cold war in the early 90s, he would've never managed so if it was in the 60s or 70s. USSR had been struggling for years before its eventual demise and an economy wouldn't sustain the way they did. guys like reagon and gorbachev just did what they had to do in their positions at that time, and it's historical idealism to say the cold war was ended by one man or two men's power imho

[Wild Cobra]

the USSR just broke apart by itself as the natural rule intended imho. although gorbache played an important role in ending the cold war in the early 90s, he would've never managed so if it was in the 60s or 70s. USSR had been struggling for years before its eventual demise and an economy wouldn't sustain the way they did. guys like reagon and gorbachev just did what they had to do in their positions at that time, and it's historical idealism to say the cold war was ended by one man or two men's power imho
Yes, but the difference was that they could not afford the cost of maintaining the cold war with us!

We broke them!

Now our overzealous attempts to fight terrorism is going to help break us.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes, but the difference was that they could not afford the cost of maintaining the cold war with us!

We broke them!

Now our overzealous attempts to fight terrorism is going to help break us.

So if not for our existence Soviet Communism would have succeeded?

[boutons_deux]

"We won the cold war because of his policies."

:lol WC spreading the St Ronnie legendary LIE.

USSR collapsed internally, blew its treasure and blood in Afghanistan, lost US$100Bs in hard currency when the oil price collapsed post-Khomeini, and not because of diseased, self-enriching 1%er conman St Ronnie, who was way to the LEFT of today's Repug/tea bagger crazies.

St Ronnie's build up was nothing but a taxpayer-wealth-sucking exercise trumped up by MIC knowing the USSR was a total fake, CIA-fabricated fake to justify the build up.

Missile Shield Star Wars! :lol Where was waste-collector Coburn/OK when we needed him? :lol

[Jacob1983]

Where is Obama with a drone?

[boutons_deux]

Where is Obama with a drone?

Where is dubya with OBL's scalp? :lol

[angrydude]

I agree with you somewhat. Yes, we outspent the USSR and because of that, it no longer exists as before. I also agree that today, politicians do not realize they are spending us into the way of the USSR's collapse. We had reduced the military and military spending after the USSR collapsed. We increased it again after 9/11. Time to reduce it again. Why isn't Obama doing that?


We spent more money than the communists so they fell. But if we spend as much as the communists we will fall?

[CosmicCowboy]

Funny how both sides want to look back to the past and blame each others presidents.

There is enough fault to go around for both sides.

Fact is, we have a fucking problem and it's time to deal with it.

[Th'Pusher]

Fact is, we have a fucking problem and it's time to deal with it.

And the point of the cartoon is that a 20% across the board tax cut is not going to address the "fucking problem" but only exacerbate it. Now go pull that lever for Romney.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm not voting for Romney fucktard.

[Th'Pusher]

I'm not voting for Romney fucktard.

You may feel you have the freedom of a protest vote as you live in Texas, but you're definitely hoping he wins. Tell me CC, who would you be voting for if you lived in Ohio?

[CosmicCowboy]

Oh hell yeah, Romney > Obama.

[CosmicCowboy]

And if you think Romney is actually going to get a 20% across the board tax cut through you are nuts. They will just extend the Bush tax cuts.

[Latarian Milton]

communism died of its own inborn deficiency imho, malformed economy, corrupt government etc... US might speed up its death process but it's always the internal reasons that cause the quality change imho.

[CosmicCowboy]

It was killed by the socialist state system. It destroyed personal initiative and GDP per capita sucked. Exactly the direction the US is headed with the lowest job participation numbers in 30 years.