Kansas St.

[benefactor]

Do they run the table and head to the NC game? It's looking like it. They finish the season with OSU, TCU, Baylor and Texas. They can probably beat whatever team comes out of the south in the Big 12 championship too.

They get exposed by Bama tbh though.

[shyne]

I don't think there is a championship game, they win there in.

[Pelicans78]

They have Texas Tech this week.

[K-State Spur]

Odds are against the Cats running the table still, but they're getting better by the week. Their 2 toughest games are past them, and the 2 toughest remaining of their last 5 are both in Manhattan. I dare to dream there, but there are no gimmes (other than KU) in this league.

As for getting "exposed" - it's not a big secret what KSU wants to do, play physical/disciplined football. They can certainly be beaten, any team left on Cats' schedule is capable of doing that in a one game setting. But if they could be "exposed" - it would have already happened.

[Pelicans78]

K-State is the one exposing teams with their physical style of play.

[Edward]

There's no fuckin way K State makes the title game over Oregon if Oregon manages to run the table.

[Clipper Nation]

Tbh, K-State deserves it over Oregon..... Oregon let a high school team score 30-something on them :lol

[Edward]

Assuming Oregon runs the table their schedule will have been WAAAY more impressive than K-State's schedule. Plus they'd actually make the national championship competitive, K State will get waxed by either Florida or Alabama.

[Bill_Brasky]

Assuming Oregon runs the table their schedule will have been WAAAY more impressive than K-State's schedule. Plus they'd actually make the national championship competitive, K State will get waxed by either Florida or Alabama.

Didn't Oregon get shitstomped by LSU last year? What makes you think they have a better chance at whatever SEC team they would face in the NC?

I'd rather see what the Cats can do. Collin Klein is a bad mofo and their defense is stout. Snyder > chip kelly

[Edward]

Didn't Oregon get shitstomped by LSU last year? What makes you think they have a better chance at whatever SEC team they would face in the NC?

I'd rather see what the Cats can do. Collin Klein is a bad mofo and their defense is stout. Snyder > chip kelly

Oregon lost 40-27 to LSU but if you wanna look at previous years they got closer to beating Auburn than any team has gotten to beating an SEC team in the NC in recent memory.

Their team is different this year mainly on defense. In previous years their defenses were massively undersized while this year it's got great size all around, especially with two 300+ lbs. D-tackles, something they didn't have against Auburn or LSU.

:lol Big-12 fans pretending K-State is really good because it's the best team in their conference by default

[Edward]

Also keep in mind, if Oregon runs the table, it means they'll still have to gets win @ USC, vs. Stanford, @ Oregon State, and most likely another win against USC in the conference championship. If you compare that to K-State's remaining schedule, you're delusional if you think K-State has any chance to overtake Oregon if Oregon runs the table.

What's gonna be really interesting is where Notre Dame ends up ranked if it runs the table.

[Clipper Nation]

Oregon pretty much runs the same two plays over and over again, and it only looks good because hardly anyone plays defense in the PAC, tbh.... when Oregon has gone up against real defenses that were able to shut down the Ducks' run game, they've been exposed (see: Boise State, LSU, Auburn).... I see no reason why the same thing wouldn't happen to them against Bama or Florida, tbh....

Also, let's not be so quick to assume that Oregon won't choke as usual against USC and/or Oregon State, tbh....

[Edward]

Oregon pretty much runs the same two plays over and over again, and it only looks good because hardly anyone plays defense in the PAC, tbh.... when Oregon has gone up against real defenses that were able to shut down the Ducks' run game, they've been exposed (see: Boise State, LSU, Auburn).... I see no reason why the same thing wouldn't happen to them against Bama or Florida, tbh....

Also, let's not be so quick to assume that Oregon won't choke as usual against USC and/or Oregon State, tbh....
My entire hypothetical assumes they don't choke against USC and/or OSU. I'm not saying that won't happen, but if it doesn't, then there's no way they won't get it over K State. With a freshman QB who could shit the bed at the wrong time, there's a good chance they don't run the table.

The 27 points they scored against LSU was more points than LSU gave up in any other game last year, so I guess it depends on how you define "shut down". Their QB this year is also a much better passer than Masoli or Thomas were so they're not as dependent on gimmicky running plays as they were. I guess it's not worth repeating since no one paid attention the first time, but their defense is also much better/bigger up front. LSU wouldn't be able to gash this Oregon team on the ground like they did last year.

Their game against Auburn was the closest any non-SEC team has gotten to winning a national championship in recent memory, so I'm also not sure how that game helps your argument. I'd still take Bama or Florida over them, but I think they'd have a much better chance than K-State.

[Clipper Nation]

The 27 points they scored against LSU was more points than LSU gave up in any other game last year, so I guess it depends on how you define "shut down".
LSU held Oregon to 95 rushing yards on 28 carries, the worst performance Oregon's ground game had all season, and the Ducks ended up losing by a margin that seems closer than the actual game, tbh.... take away their garbage-time scores in the 4th quarter and they lose 40-13, tbh....


I guess it's not worth repeating since no one paid attention the first time, but their defense is also much better/bigger up front. LSU wouldn't be able to gash this Oregon team on the ground like they did last year.
Oregon's been out-rushed by Fresno State this year, so it's not like it's impossible, tbh...


I'd still take Bama or Florida over them, but I think they'd have a much better chance than K-State.
I don't.... K-State has a better defense and a better quarterback, tbh...

[Edward]

LSU held Oregon to 95 rushing yards on 28 carries, the worst performance Oregon's ground game had all season, and the Ducks ended up losing by a margin that seems closer than the actual game, tbh.... take away their garbage-time scores in the 4th quarter and they lose 40-13, tbh....
Oregon's TD with 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter to bring the game to 2 possessions (33-20) was a garbage time score :lmao? Keep revising history :tu



Oregon's been out-rushed by Fresno State this year, so it's not like it's impossible, tbh...
Cool, Kansas State was out rushed by the N:lolrth T:lolxas Mean Green. Pointing out games against inferior teams that a team wins by a few possessions that it maybe should have won by a lot of possessions is a weak argument. Kansas State has had a cakewalk schedule outside of Oklahoma (:lol WVU) and its hardest remaining game is Texas Tech. If both teams run the table, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell K-State is ranked ahead of Oregon.



I don't.... K-State has a better defense and a better quarterback, tbh...
Oregon's defense is maybe slightly worse than K-State's defense while Oregon's QB has played great so far with more yards and TDs than Klein. No, he's not better than Klein, but he's a way better passer than Masoli or Thomas were and he makes Oregon's offense much more versatile than it was against Auburn, LSU, or Boise State.

[Bill_Brasky]

Also keep in mind, if Oregon runs the table, it means they'll still have to gets win @ USC, vs. Stanford, @ Oregon State, and most likely another win against USC in the conference championship. If you compare that to K-State's remaining schedule, you're delusional if you think K-State has any chance to overtake Oregon if Oregon runs the table.

What's gonna be really interesting is where Notre Dame ends up ranked if it runs the table.

Stanford lost to Washington/ND, but ND is forgivable given how strong they are this year. But beating them isn't anything special this year. Oregon State is good, but has still yet to play the toughest part of their schedule. USC is the best team that they would have to beat, and K State already beat OU, who is a better team than USC.

[Edward]

Oregon State is ranked ahead of OU yet you casually mention them as good :lol. OU is ranked 1 spot ahead of USC, I'd say it's a toss up regarding which team is better. Your opinion of which teams are better isn't gonna matter to the BCS standings when the BCS standings disagree completely.

[Bill_Brasky]

Oregon State is ranked ahead of OU yet you casually mention them as good :lol. OU is ranked 1 spot ahead of USC, I'd say it's a toss up regarding which team is better. Your opinion of which teams are better isn't gonna matter to the BCS standings when the BCS standings disagree completely.

OSU hasn't played anyone yet.

[yavozerb]

If KSU goes undefeated they are in with there strength of schedule ..If Oregon wants in the NCG they better hope Bama loses cause no way there strength of schedule gets them past KSU.

[Edward]

OSU hasn't played anyone yet.
Well they're ranked #8 and their schedule is pretty easy for the rest of the year with the exception of Oregon, so whether or not you agree, they'd be a victory that improves Oregon's BCS standings by a lot.

[Clipper Nation]

According to Sagarin's SOS rankings: Kansas State = 45th, Oregon = 58th

According to Cosgrove's SOS rankings: Kansas State = 13th, Oregon = 61st :lol

[yavozerb]

Oregon has only played 2 games away so far...still have away games at usc,cal, and oregon state..Well talk more bout this if Oregon can beat someone on the road other than unranked washington state and ASU.

[Bill_Brasky]

Regardless of who plays who, I think the Pac and B12 have quietly had better teams and games this year than the SEC.

[symple19]

Not the Pac, but the B12 I'll grant you. Top to bottom the B12 is the best conference in the nation

[K-State Spur]

Assuming Oregon runs the table their schedule will have been WAAAY more impressive than K-State's schedule.

You're wrong there. An undefeated Oregon has virtually zero chance of finishing with better SOS/computer rating than an undefeated KSU. They'd be relying on the human polls to push them out front (which could certainly happen).

With the way OU has played the past 3 weeks, if they beat ND (and I think they'll curb stomp the Irish) on Saturday, it's very possible they win out. K-State beating OU in Norman for the Sooners' only loss could easily be the most impressive win any team in the country has all season.

[BUMP]

has anybody mentioned the fact that Oregon's defense is bigger/better up front than last year?

[dirk4mvp]

Has anyone mentioned that if I see DUMP I'm gonna kick his ass and suplex him into the cereal bowl?

[Pelicans78]

K-State will have the better schedule by the end of the season. OU will most likely have just one loss compared to USC which would have 3 losses if Oregon goes undefeated. I think Oregon St is a very legit team and they've played a decent schedule already.

[benefactor]

They've made it look easy against Tech in the second half. I'm on the bandwagon.

[DesignatedT]

Oregon is in if they run the table. Big 12 has no championship game. That will cost K-State a bid if it comes down to an undefeated Oregon and undefeated Kstate.


Alabama might drop a game tbh. I'm not sold that they will run the table just yet.

[benefactor]

You're probably right...but it's going to be a much tougher road for Oregon tbh. This year would be the perfect year for a playoff.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

With the way OU has played the past 3 weeks, if they beat ND (and I think they'll curb stomp the Irish) on Saturday, it's very possible they win out. K-State beating OU in Norman for the Sooners' only loss could easily be the most impressive win any team in the country has all season.


K-State will have the better schedule by the end of the season. OU will most likely have just one loss compared to USC which would have 3 losses if Oregon goes undefeated. I think Oregon St is a very legit team and they've played a decent schedule already.

:lol Big 12 Homers
:lol assuming chOkeU would run the table as if it was all but a sure thing

[Pelicans78]

The computers will still have K-State number 2 if they go undefeated, but it will be close with Notre Dame. The computers will have Oregon behind both teams.

[DesignatedT]

Alabama might drop a game tbh. I'm not sold that they will run the table just yet.


Scratch that. I'm sold now.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The computers will still have K-State number 2 if they go undefeated, but it will be close with Notre Dame. The computers will have Oregon behind both teams.

Neat. Still a Big-12 homer for assuming OU would finish with only 1 loss :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Scratch that. I'm sold now.

Yeah tbh I thought maybe this was the year a non-SEC team had a chance but Bama looks like it's on a completely different level.

[BUMP]

K-State's a solid team, with solid defense, who doesn't turn it over and makes the most out of other team's mistakes. But Alabama is basically K-State on steroids.

Much rather see Oregon get in tbh

[Pelicans78]

Neat. Still a Big-12 homer for assuming OU would finish with only 1 loss :lol

How am I a Big 12 homer? I could care less about the Big 12.

OU was favored in the remaining games. Most people had them winning against Notre Dame.

Either way, I was right about the computer rankings keeping KSU ahead of Oregon. That won't change if both teams go undefeated.

[Pelicans78]

LSU will keep it close against Bama, but their QB sucks, maybe even worse than Jefferson right now. Still, Bama won't come close to facing a better defense the rest of the way unless Georgia's defense plays to their potential and I don't mean yesterday. Driskell basically was a disaster.

[DMX7]

Truly shocking that they are in the National Championship game if it were played today. #2 in the latest BCS, and they are the last game on the schedule for Texas. UT usually finds a way to lose to K-state, but this year it will finally be for a legitimate reason.

[DesignatedT]

I think Oregon will finish #2 if they win out.

Too bad the 4 team playoff isn't this year. Might be perfect for it.

[ColinB]

Last game for Texas is K-State? Damn, looks like we are gift wrapping another heisman.

[coyotes_geek]

Kstate will run the table, but they need to keep blowing people out because you know the media will be looking for an excuse to leapfrog the Domers over them.

[rjv]

ND and k-state are mirror images. hard to say what oregon has because the pac 12 is not very impressive and they had an anemic non-conference schedule. can't see bama losing to anyone.

[K-State Spur]

:lol Big 12 Homers
:lol assuming chOkeU would run the table as if it was all but a sure thing

Glass houses. USC & Oregon State losses hurt Pac 12 shot of getting a team into the MNC game more than OU's loss did to KSU.

[K-State Spur]

K-State's a solid team, with solid defense, who doesn't turn it over and makes the most out of other team's mistakes. But Alabama is basically K-State on steroids.

Much rather see Oregon get in tbh

I think much of the college football world would agree with you. But in terms of giving Bama a game - do you think Saban would rather play a team who hasn't matched up with one physical unit throughout their schedule with a RS at QB, or arguably the most disciplined team in college football led by 5th yr SR Heisman winner at QB, coached by Bill Snyder?

[BUMP]

I think much of the college football world would agree with you. But in terms of giving Bama a game - do you think Saban would rather play a team who hasn't matched up with one physical unit throughout their schedule with a RS at QB, or arguably the most disciplined team in college football led by 5th yr SR Heisman winner at QB, coached by Bill Snyder?

As far as Oregon not matching up with "one physical unit" I think Alabama is a whole different breed from what either team has faced either way. So both teams are gonna have a hard time adjusting regardless of who they've played. What Big XII defense even remotely compares to Bama?


I don't think either Oregon/K-State beats Bama but Oregon will atleast give them matchup problems due to their speed/explosiveness. I don't see anyway K-State can give Alabama problems with their matchups

[K-State Spur]

I don't think either Oregon/K-State beats Bama but Oregon will atleast give them matchup problems due to their speed/explosiveness. I don't see anyway K-State can give Alabama problems with their matchups

Is Oregon more explosive than KSU? Before you just answer "yeah, duh" - break out the numbers. Per possession, KSU is actually scoring more points than the Ducks. Oregon plays at a no huddle pace, which gives them an average of 15 possessions per game. KState huddles and takes their time between snaps, carefully reading the defense, giving them only 11 possessions per game. Oregon is currently averaging 53 ppg. If you gave KSU 15 possesions, they project to 60 ppg.

Kansas State averages 6.9 yards per snap to Oregon's 6.5 yards per snap.

I would argue that some of the opinions expressed in this thread are based upon last 5 years and not 2012 observations.

And regardless, I never bet against Bill Snyder. I was there on a cold night in 2003 when he took on an OU team that was widely being referred to as the Greatest Team in College Football History.

[BUMP]

:lol you seem to be a pretty logical poster but I don't get this whole :cry Bill :cry fucking :cry Snyder :cry thing. He's a good coach but I have no problem betting against a guy who is 6-7 for his career in bowl games.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao :cry the great Bill Snyder :cry

[tlongII]

Oregon will finish #2 if they win out due to the conf championship game. And they would destroy Alabama. Nobody can keep up with the Quacks.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol you seem to be a pretty logical poster but I don't get this whole :cry Bill :cry fucking :cry Snyder :cry thing. He's a good coach but I have no problem betting against a guy who is 6-7 for his career in bowl games.

Tbh, he deserves the hype... K-State football was Duke status before he got there the first time around and he STAYS coaching up them one-star wide receivers into Heisman quarterbacks, tbh...

[JoeTait75]

As far as Oregon not matching up with "one physical unit" I think Alabama is a whole different breed from what either team has faced either way. So both teams are gonna have a hard time adjusting regardless of who they've played. What Big XII defense even remotely compares to Bama?


I don't think either Oregon/K-State beats Bama but Oregon will atleast give them matchup problems due to their speed/explosiveness. I don't see anyway K-State can give Alabama problems with their matchups

I still don't trust Oregon in games against teams that are physical and play defense. They came close against Auburn but that Auburn team was basically Cam Newton and a bunch of guys, tbh. Alabama is on a whole different level.

I actually think ND would have a puncher's chance against Bama with the way they play defense. I'm not saying they'd beat Bama but they could hang around and make it interesting.

Sentimentally I'd like to see K-State get there because of the way they lost to aTm in 1998. That was an all-time stomach-punch game. I felt sorry for K-State fans after that, tbh.

[BUMP]

I still don't trust Oregon in games against teams that are physical and play defense. They came close against Auburn but that Auburn team was basically Cam Newton and a bunch of guys, tbh. Alabama is on a whole different level.

I actually think ND would have a puncher's chance against Bama with the way they play defense. I'm not saying they'd beat Bama but they could hang around and make it interesting.

Sentimentally I'd like to see K-State get there because of the way they lost to aTm in 1998. That was an all-time stomach-punch game. I felt sorry for K-State fans after that, tbh.

"Cam Newton and a bunch of guys" ended up being the best team in the country that year tbh

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I still don't trust Oregon in games against teams that are physical and play defense. They came close against Auburn but that Auburn team was basically Cam Newton and a bunch of guys, tbh. Alabama is on a whole different level.

I actually think ND would have a puncher's chance against Bama with the way they play defense. I'm not saying they'd beat Bama but they could hang around and make it interesting.

Sentimentally I'd like to see K-State get there because of the way they lost to aTm in 1998. That was an all-time stomach-punch game. I felt sorry for K-State fans after that, tbh.

I used to be on the same boat as everyone else regarding Oregon against physical teams that actually play defense but this year they're a different team. Their offense is less gimmicky and is much better in the passing game while still being just as explosive running the ball, and their defense isn't the massively undersized unit it's been under Chip Kelly that can get gashed but power running teams. I bet a good amount against them in both their OSU rose bowl and Auburn championship game because of how little faith I had in their gimmicky team (I mention that because most other people on Oregon's nuts are Pac-12 homers which I've never been).

I agree w/ you about Notre Dame too. Everyone seems to be waiting for them to crash and burn but with that defense it's never gonna happen. They might have the best front 7 in college football and their secondary has played much better than expected. Only reason why I see Bama possibly dick whipping them is that Notre Dame's QB seems like the type that won't even survive a quarter against Saban's defense, kinda like your boy Colt McCoy tbh.

[symple19]

Alabama>Oregon>KState>ND

JMO, but I definitely think Oregon gives Bama the best game.

Props to KSU and ND, however. They keep proving me wrong. Wish the playoff was this year

[K-State Spur]

:lol you seem to be a pretty logical poster but I don't get this whole :cry Bill :cry fucking :cry Snyder :cry thing.

You would if you knew where KSU was in 1988. Duke status doesn't do it justice, this program was so bad that they were near the point of dropping football and getting kicked out of the Big 8. SI did a feature story calling us "Futility U." When he won his first COY award, Barry Switzer said that based upon K-State's history, Snyder was "Coach of the Century".

The bowl record is the one mark against Snyder - that's fair. I think the two explanations for that are: 1) his teams typically over-perform in the regular season which leads to bowl match-ups against difficult teams, & 2) the strategy advantage that K-State enjoys on a week-to-week basis throughout the year is often somewhat negated when you give the opponent's staff an entire month to prepare for the game.

Given those factors, Bowl Games lead to weird results. Tom Osborne was 12-13 in Bowl Games, including losing 7 in a row at one point. Bob Stoops is just 7-6 (3-5 in BCS games). Steve Spurrier is 8-10. Nick Saban is just 7-6 (0-3 at Michigan State, his only coaching stop that was semi-comparable to K-State in terms of resources/status). Chip Kelly is 1-2. Brian Kelly is 3-2, but that would be 3-3 if you count Cincy's appearance in the Sugar Bowl where they got shellacked after he took the ND job.

[K-State Spur]

All that said, I think this discussion has taken off a bit. Each of the 4 undefeateds has multiple loseable games remaining. Much higher chance that nobody finishes undefeated than all 4.

[log in/log out goods]

You would if you knew where KSU was in 1988. Duke status doesn't do it justice, this program was so bad that they were near the point of dropping football and getting kicked out of the Big 8. SI did a feature story calling us "Futility U." When he won his first COY award, Barry Switzer said that based upon K-State's history, Snyder was "Coach of the Century".

The bowl record is the one mark against Snyder - that's fair. I think the two explanations for that are: 1) his teams typically over-perform in the regular season which leads to bowl match-ups against difficult teams, & 2) the strategy advantage that K-State enjoys on a week-to-week basis throughout the year is often somewhat negated when you give the opponent's staff an entire month to prepare for the game.

Given those factors, Bowl Games lead to weird results. Tom Osborne was 12-13 in Bowl Games, including losing 7 in a row at one point. Bob Stoops is just 7-6 (3-5 in BCS games). Steve Spurrier is 8-10. Nick Saban is just 7-6 (0-3 at Michigan State, his only coaching stop that was semi-comparable to K-State in terms of resources/status). Chip Kelly is 1-2. Brian Kelly is 3-2, but that would be 3-3 if you count Cincy's appearance in the Sugar Bowl where they got shellacked after he took the ND job.

I feel like a better human being after reading this tbh

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Glass houses. USC & Oregon State losses hurt Pac 12 shot of getting a team into the MNC game more than OU's loss did to KSU.
USC's loss makes Oregon's 49-0 thrashing of Arizona all the more impressive. Arizona has had a late 4th quarter lead every other team its played and with the W becomes a top 25 team, Oregon being able to destroy them looks more significant after them beating USC.
Whether or not you're right, the point was you're a Big-12 homer for thinking Oklahoma was such a sure thing to beat Notre Dame.


I think much of the college football world would agree with you. But in terms of giving Bama a game - do you think Saban would rather play a team who hasn't matched up with one physical unit throughout their schedule
What teams has K-State played that you deem as physical? Oklahoma? West Virginia? Texas Tech? Any team in the Big-12?

If Oregon runs the table they'll have to beat USC and Stanford (USC potentially twice). Compare how Stanford played Notre Dame vs. how Oklahoma did and Stanford doesn't seem any less physical than they are. Oklahoma made Notre Dame's offense look better than it has all year.


with a RS at QB
The RS who has 18 touchdowns and 5 interceptions and is a WAY better passer than what Chip Kelly has had in the past? That RS at QB?


or arguably the most disciplined team in college football led by 5th yr SR Heisman winner at QB, coached by Bill Snyder?
Seeing that Saban's defense knocked the last Heisman candidate QB from the Big 12 out of the national championship game in the 1st quarter, he'd probably love to play against another soft bred Big-12 QB. Oregon has come closer to dethroning the SEC than any other team in recent memory, chances are Saban would rather play against a team from the conference that's been an SEC doormat in major bowl games.


Is Oregon more explosive than KSU? Before you just answer "yeah, duh" - break out the numbers. Per possession, KSU is actually scoring more points than the Ducks. Oregon plays at a no huddle pace, which gives them an average of 15 possessions per game. KState huddles and takes their time between snaps, carefully reading the defense, giving them only 11 possessions per game. Oregon is currently averaging 53 ppg. If you gave KSU 15 possesions, they project to 60 ppg.

Kansas State averages 6.9 yards per snap to Oregon's 6.5 yards per snap.

I would argue that some of the opinions expressed in this thread are based upon last 5 years and not 2012 observations.
Oregon is just as explosive as its ever been. Your points per possession argument ignores the fact Oregon lets off the gas after they're beating teams by 50 at halftime. If Oregon wanted to it could have dropped 90 on Colorado and 70 on Arizona State just as two examples that would more than make up the point differential.

I'm also pretty sure playing at such a quick pace and being able to score with 2-3 minute drives is something that probably makes a team "explosive." The fact they have so many possessions per game speaks to how explosive they are.


The bowl record is the one mark against Snyder - that's fair. I think the two explanations for that are: 1) his teams typically over-perform in the regular season which leads to bowl match-ups against difficult teams, & 2) the strategy advantage that K-State enjoys on a week-to-week basis throughout the year is often somewhat negated when you give the opponent's staff an entire month to prepare for the game.
Sounds like the characteristics of a team that will do well against Alabama.

[K-State Spur]

USC's loss makes Oregon's 49-0 thrashing of Arizona all the more impressive. Arizona has had a late 4th quarter lead every other team its played and with the W becomes a top 25 team, Oregon being able to destroy them looks more significant after them beating USC.
Whether or not you're right, the point was you're a Big-12 homer for thinking Oklahoma was such a sure thing to beat Notre Dame.


I was wrong, but why is that automatically a homer pick? Every major computer picked the same thing, are they all biased towards the Big 12? OU had been rolling the last couple weeks, ND had just eked past a mediocre BYU team. The Irish got better QB play than they had gotten all year and dominated the trenches in a way they hadn't show - kudos to them.



What teams has K-State played that you deem as physical? Oklahoma? West Virginia? Texas Tech? Any team in the Big-12?

ISU is actually really physical. Their offense sucks and they don't defend the spread particularly well, but they play tough.



The RS who has 18 touchdowns and 5 interceptions and is a WAY better passer than what Chip Kelly has had in the past? That RS at QB?

Still a frosh who has seen all of 8 defenses so far - none of them good. Saban would be licking his chops at the various packages he could throw at him.



Oregon is just as explosive as its ever been. Your points per possession argument ignores the fact Oregon lets off the gas after they're beating teams by 50 at halftime. If Oregon wanted to it could have dropped 90 on Colorado and 70 on Arizona State just as two examples that would more than make up the point differential.

My stats don't take that into account correct. However the stats guys who do calculate "non-garbage time" numbers also have KSU's offense right there with Oregon's. You also can't ignore that KSU has their own share of blowouts, Klein & the first team offense has sat out the majority of 5 fourth quarters in their own right.



I'm also pretty sure playing at such a quick pace and being able to score with 2-3 minute drives is something that probably makes a team "explosive." The fact they have so many possessions per game speaks to how explosive they are.


Compared to most teams, sure. Compared to K-State, it just speaks to the pace that they play in between snaps. Once the ball is actually snapped, Wildcat offense has actually been better (thus far, still plenty of time for that to change). Last year, the Nuggets scored more PPG than the Spurs, but the Spurs were better offensively (Efficiency Rating), they just played at a slightly slower pace.



Sounds like the characteristics of a team that will do well against Alabama.

You just kinda threw that statement in there and based it on nothing. Quick pace sounds like the characteristics of a team that will do well against Alabama. ...Okay, why?

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And regardless, I never bet against Bill Snyder. I was there on a cold night in 2003 when he took on an OU team that was widely being referred to as the Greatest Team in College Football History.

The great fucking Bill Snyder

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[DUNCANownsKOBE]

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[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Didn't Oregon get shitstomped by LSU last year? What makes you think they have a better chance at whatever SEC team they would face in the NC?

I'd rather see what the Cats can do. Collin Klein is a bad mofo and their defense is stout. Snyder > chip kelly
:lmao:lmao


I don't.... K-State has a better defense and a better quarterback, tbh...
I agree!


But in terms of giving Bama a game - do you think Saban would rather play a team who hasn't matched up with one physical unit throughout their schedule with a RS at QB, or arguably the most disciplined team in college football led by 5th yr SR Heisman winner at QB, coached by Bill Snyder?
I think Saban would rather play the team that lost to the other team by 3 possessions

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Bill Brasky Clipper Nation and K-State Spur are gonna avoid this thread like a certain former moderator of this forum avoids a TING family reunion I SAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD DDDD

[Bill_Brasky]

If I was you, I'd be making fun of me for ever praising Collin Klein....not Bill.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If I was you, I'd be making fun of me for ever praising Collin Klein....not Bill.

I'm making fun of you for taking KSU over Oregon.

I wouldn't be making fun of the Bill Snyder praise if it was simply praise, not full on deep throating Wild Cobra style.

[Clipper Nation]

As much as I hate to admit it, I was wrong, the Nike U Willie Lyles are better than K-State, tbh...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Nike U Willie Lyles

:lmao

[Bill_Brasky]

I'm making fun of you for taking KSU over Oregon.

I wouldn't be making fun of the Bill Snyder praise if it was simply praise, not full on deep throating Wild Cobra style.

Hey man, I was wrong, what can I say. Oregon is better than KSU.

[benefactor]

:lol me
:lol ever thinking KState was legit

[BUMP]

:lmao K-State
:lmao go to play is their quarterback simply running straight ahead

[Ryan Tsarsis]

K-State Spurs avoiding this thread like I avoid water polo practices i saaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiddddddddddd

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

K-State Spurs avoiding this thread like I avoid water polo practices i saaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiddddddddddd

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao no one will get this joke

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao K-State
:lmao go to play is their quarterback simply running straight ahead
:lol Ripping off NIU's shitful playcalling

[Bill_Brasky]

:lmao K-State
:lmao go to play is their quarterback simply running straight ahead

:lmao slower Tim Tebow with a worse arm

[Bill 'Jesus' Snyder]

Odds are against the Cats running the table still, but they're getting better by the week. Their 2 toughest games are past them, and the 2 toughest remaining of their last 5 are both in Manhattan. I dare to dream there, but there are no gimmes (other than KU) in this league.

As for getting "exposed" - it's not a big secret what KSU wants to do, play physical/disciplined football. They can certainly be beaten, any team left on Cats' schedule is capable of doing that in a one game setting. But if they could be "exposed" - it would have already happened.

Thank you my son for always believing. You may not see it now, but there's a reason we lost. Winning doesn't always mean having the higher score and I believe the real winners of this game were the ones in the purple and gold.

On the darkest days, build a shelter against the rain among yours truly. Keep the faith my son. We will be back.